Friday Morning Open Thread

From farce to the most important event in the history of the Republic - Saturday night's Florida-LSU game.

Tebow remains a game time decision but I get the feeling he is going to play. I think he should sit. Easy for me to say.

This is an Open Thread.

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    WH has yet to make their case with (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:03:12 AM EST
    women on health insurance reform.

    That's despite the fact that women have historically been more concerned about health care, and more likely to support changes, than men.
    "What we're seeing is that the administration and the Congress still has to make the case to women," said pollster Mark Mellman, who has advised Democrats and liberal groups on public attitudes on the health care overhaul. "The volume has to be turned up on the communication, and the communication has to be directed to a large degree toward this group."
    "Women are much more plugged into the system, and I think they to a certain extent are reserving judgment," he said. link

    Hmm, maybe they are not willing to buy into some yet undefined plan that may or may not help their families. Anyone paying attention, knows there are good things and bad things being discussed. They do not have to turn up the volume. They need to decide to develop a plan to provide real health care not offer crap like BaucusCare. If they offer something worthwhile, most women will get on board.

    "You Lie" The California Edition (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:10:58 AM EST
    Assembly Member Tom Ammiano is a San Francisco Treasure. Always has been and always will be. But Tom Ammiano is special. He's hilarious. He's passionate. He's progressive. He's just Tom Ammiano.


    And there he was, the Governator.  On our turf. In the San Francisco Democratic Party event. This wasn't the Assembly Chamber. This was a raucous Democratic Party event.

    He was talking with Willie Brown and his entourage for a while. And then, former SF Board of Supes President Aaron Peskin brought him up on the stage.  As he began to talk, Asm. Ammiano yelled out "You LIE."

    The Governor began to say a few words about how he heard that the Democratic Party event was in the same hotel as a chorus of boos and other random hissing noises rained down upon him.  I, of course, was taking pictures with my cell phone.  Apparently the Governor felt that he should visit the Democratic event because he "sleeps with one every night."  And then proceeded to tell the room that he was "post-partisan" and that he didn't care whether you were a Republican or a Democrat.

    And as he continued, Asm. Ammiano still couldn't believe this man was up on the stage at a Democratic event.  The San Francisco Assembly Member yelled something to the effect of "kiss my gay a$$" as he left the room.


    Arnold's popularity in California (none / 0) (#18)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:15:02 AM EST
    has reached negative numbers, hasn't it? He probably got a warmer welcome at the dem event than the republican one!

    U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Illiope on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:22:47 AM EST
    proving once again that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is a joke without a punch line, this band of jesters have come out with a threat: "Exclude mandated coverage for abortion... or we will have to oppose the health care bill vigorously."

    hm, that's curious. maybe i missed their vigorous opposition to the health care industry, and the death and destruction that that industry leaves in its wake? or is it that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is unconcerned about the plight of the millions that are uninsured, and those that are denied care?

    the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has taken a devilish stance on this issue.

    Polanski's lawyers try again (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 12:43:51 PM EST
    Polanski's lawyers try again to get client released from jail
    By HEATHER SMITH AND JOSEPH HEAVEN * Bloomberg News * October 9, 2009

    Roman Polanski's lawyers asked a Swiss court to release the film director from jail until the U.S. can file a formal extradition request on a 1978 arrest warrant, one of his lawyers in France said.

    The court documents, known as "observations," were filed with a Swiss court Thursday night (Oct. 8), Herve Temime said by telephone from Paris today.

    'We don't know when we will have a response from the court,' Temime said. Switzerland's Justice Ministry on Oct. 6 rejected a separate request for Polanski's release.

    Polanski, 76, was arrested Sept. 26 as he entered Switzerland to receive a lifetime achievement award at the Zurich Film Festival. He fled the U.S. in 1978 after pleading guilty to charges that he had unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl.

    Any decision by the criminal court on Polanski's freedom may be appealed to the Swiss Supreme Court in Lausanne. The court filings in the case are sealed and Temime said he is prohibited from describing them under Swiss law.

    Mascia Gregori al-Barafi, a spokeswoman for the court in Bellinzona, Switzerland, declined to comment.

    Extraditing Polanski could take several months, Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley, said last week.

    Polanski won the Oscar for best director for the 2002 film 'The Pianist.' Actor Harrison Ford accepted the award for the fugitive director, according to the Internet Movie Database.

    Hey! (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:48:50 PM EST
    Throw the bum in jail!

    What - you say that he won the Oscar for best director for the 2002 film 'The Pianist.' ?

    Is he the guy that did "Rosemary's Baby"?

    Holy smoke.
    That's different.


    What did Obama accomplish? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by joze46 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 12:46:46 PM EST
    Obama is entering an era to end torture and conform to International relations abiding by the Geneva Convention that was totally disrespected by Bush and Company. Flushing out the secret prisons illegal in their time fostering hatred corruption and international disarray while leading an economy driven by wild irresponsible cowboys, most likely riding the saddle in the Blackwater corporation.  

    Second, leading Americans at every turn to an educational moment to a review of the Constitution, its clear definition to balance of power, separation of church and state. Most of all flushing out the real bigotry and hatred that permeates to Republican Party in total disrespect for life, health care, poverty or misery from nature actions, Katrina.

    The media it self has no recourse but to admit it's complicity and help flushing out the Republican Party of "Wealth Insurance Corporations", bilking money from citizens across America and the world via dishonest health care and dishonest stock market banking business in "Derivates"  that cloned a depression.

    Obama with a Democratic Chorus helped America to believe in hope surrounded by the audacity in the disgusting Republican Party. Obama flushed out the Republican views in the interpretation of the Constitution also in respect to Congress as its inherent documented right to declare war, not the president, as Bush did with arrogance defiance declare war with the embedded media's help all done with complicity corrupted beyond any time in history. Also in basic health care showed America how Republicans only think of death and not life just as Keith Olberman pointed out so eloquently in his special comment the other night.

    Heck I was as angry and upset as Olberman as long as thirty years ago what took the media so long to realize as Hillary Clinton was right when she said America is going in the wrong direction with the Republican agenda.  

    What did Obama accomplish? (1.00 / 1) (#40)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:34:19 PM EST
    Silly question.

    He has conned more people than the rest of human history.

    P.T. Barnum is in shock.

    His theory has been proven to an extent not previously imagined.

    Bombing people is peace.
    Especially when they just want to be left alone.

    This is historic.
    This is marvelous.

    I love it.
    I love our country.
    God bless the peacemakers, for they shall blow up everyone and everything.


    Hi Sher (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:39:05 PM EST
    Thanks for dropping by.

    Bombing the moon. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:29:10 PM EST
    Some may ask, "Why"?
    One answer, my friend, is stated by Peter Schultz, geologist: "Whenever these things happen, the first thing that comes out of your mouth is 'Geez,'"... "I've got the neatest job in the world."
    "It's human nature to blow things up and dissect what happens, Schultz said Thursday from the Vertical Gun Range at NASA's Ames Research Center.
    He elaborated: "There's a reason you drop pumpkins off a 30-story building," he told The Associated Press.

    I must confess that I haven't had the occasion to drop a pumpkin off a building - but I sure would if I had a nearby building handy - and a pumpkin to spare..

    But still - doubting Thomases can calm themselves by reading this quote from the Associated Press:
    "Screens got fuz ad o mmditepituesofth cas o te si-mleplmeoflunardust that the mission was all about". (An exact quote.)

    Quoting Project director Andrews also clears up a lot. He said the science team is pouring through the information - including what are supposed to be good images from ground-based telescopes on Earth - to answer the big question: s hee om or o wte ude te oo'ssufae ha was isodged? It will probably be two weeks before scientists will be certain about the answer, he said.

    I gotta know right now, dammit!
    S hee om or o wte ude te oo'ssufae ha was isodged?
    Klatu Barata Nikto.

    one million (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:55:55 PM EST
    Elastic or inelastic collisions? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:21:28 PM EST
    Inquiring minds want to know!

    If Tebow sits (none / 0) (#1)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:44:33 AM EST
    then should Urban Meyer get the Peace Prize instead?  Serious question.

    Heh (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:46:01 AM EST
    He should sit (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:10:28 AM EST
    I realize sports is all about playing through pain, Curt Schilling and the bloody sock, etc., but playing Tebow would send exactly the wrong message.  I hate to think of all those high school kids wanting to play with concussions because they want to be competitors like Tim Tebow.

    Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by CST on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:18:22 AM EST
    There is a huge difference between an old, almost retired pitcher playing in the MLB playoffs with a bum foot, and a college kid playing in a regular season game with a head injury.

    those lucky swedes (none / 0) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:46:12 AM EST
    prizes to pass out and now this:

    TOURISM staff are being swamped with queries from Chinese men over a myth about a town populated only by 25,000 sex-mad lesbians.
    The mysterious 'Chako Paul City' in Sweden was said to have been founded by a wealthy, man-hating widow in 1820.
    A pair of blonde female sentries are said to stand guard at the town and men wishing to enter risk being "beaten half to death" by police.
    News reports of the city have crippled China's internet providers as millions of goggle-eyed men read up on the town's rampant women and try to find out how to get there.
    Foreign holidays are still strictly controlled in China but Swedish travel experts have been deluged with inquiries about the sexy city.
    "I've no idea where this came from but it's not true," said local authorities' spokesman Claes Bertilson.

    Death Valley? (none / 0) (#5)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:50:43 AM EST
    Is that a nic for one of the stadiums?

    I've seen the other Death Valley at night, not scary, quite nice :)

    Crimson Tide... (none / 0) (#13)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:12:30 AM EST
    Meh. the Tide should handle Mississippi handily.

    Auburn should handle Arkansas handily as well. However, Fayetteville has been a strange place for the Tigers...


    I'll have to check it out Sat :) (none / 0) (#15)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:13:03 AM EST
    Thanks for the info. Hope they inspect the stadium frequently!!

    People expecting... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:56:36 AM EST
    a big fireworks show from the moon this morning were disappointed...the pictures were lame, but NASA says they got good data.

    I can't say I'm thrilled with lobbing bombs at the moon...hope they know what they're doing.

    ... lobbing bombs at the moon.... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 12:59:57 PM EST

    When did we declare war on the Moon?

    And what about the Cat People? Who's looking out for them?


    Love starved... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 02:09:14 PM EST
    moon maidens on the prowl?

    I'd be happy to be of assistance:)


    New (none / 0) (#52)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:46:10 PM EST
    We have convincing evidence that Mooninoids have secretly been enriching uranium.

    What if the moon had been (none / 0) (#55)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 04:58:24 PM EST
    hollow and they had broken it open?

    Better yet . . . (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:08:31 PM EST
    finely aged cheese  ;) Think of the harvest!!

    yeah (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:59:22 AM EST
    everyone around here is pi$$ed at the lame pics.

    and yeah, explosions on the moon.

    anyone ever read Wells Time Machine?


    I am puzzled (none / 0) (#16)
    by eric on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:13:48 AM EST
    about why we didn't test for water 40 years ago when people were walking on the moon.  Now the best they can do is blast it and look at the dust?  Doesn't this seem a little backwards?

    I believe (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:15:20 AM EST
    they did not expect to find any then.
    for several reasons that have changed since.

    I know little about it, (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:25:12 AM EST
    but just that thought occurred to me -- all those Apollo missions to the Moon, plus the previous unmanned ones, and no water detected.

    A couple of thoughts:  1) astronauts were unable to dig deep enough in their lunar samples (iirc, they found it very hard digging after a few inches), and 2) the suspected water is deep within hard to access craters, where no astronaut would have gone, where little sunlight reaches.


    Not to mention (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:03:28 AM EST
    the lack of portable equipment to test it small enough and light enough to carry in the landing capsule.  I doubt there was even the capability to do it back then.

    Well (none / 0) (#32)
    by eric on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:38:38 AM EST
    the did get a moon buggy up there.

    That's my point (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:41:57 AM EST
    There wasn't room for anything more than the absolutely essential, and I doubt the necessary equipment to test for water could have been miniaturized then.

    You have to remember (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:42:54 AM EST
    how long ago this was and how primitive everything was then compared to now.  Their onboard computers had something like 16K of memory.

    You are probably right, but (none / 0) (#26)
    by eric on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:47:26 AM EST
    what that means is that our goal is to find inaccessible water at inhospitable parts of the moon.  

    Wasn't that just (none / 0) (#54)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 04:57:23 PM EST
    staged in some Hollywood studio :)

    From what I've seen of (none / 0) (#10)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:05:09 AM EST
    LSU's offense, they look like an underwhelming scoring team, imo.  Home court should help -- and they'll need it tomorrow, regardless of who QB's the FL squad.

    If Tebow plays, LSU narrowly wins.

    If Meyer takes the advice I gave here a few days ago and rests Tebow and his head, then it will be FL by 10.  Their backup QB isn't a bad thrower, plus the team will be revved up to try to win one for the Gipper.

    This is starting to get... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:12:35 AM EST
    ri-god damn-diculous...first they take your shaving cream, now they wanna take your temp and look down your throat...and if they don't like what they see it is quarantine for you.

    In case you needed any more reasons to avoid airports like the plague.

    This is (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:46:37 PM EST
    possibly one of the reasons it was bye-bye Olympics for Chicago.
    A real pain in the keister for the traveller.

    Wouldn't an office visit (none / 0) (#29)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:17:28 AM EST
    be cheaper?

    Seems like an extreme way to get access to health care.


    Or an easy... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:19:37 AM EST
    way to end up locked up.

    Is that an excused absence? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:25:17 AM EST
    Or an unexcused absence?

    If they quarantine you for long enough, can you use your short term disability?


    Urban should go with a two QB (none / 0) (#17)
    by Slado on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:14:57 AM EST

    Tebow runs the option and Brantly runs the pass plays.

    Tebow shouldn't go the distance and it'd be a mistake to play him and then pull him in the 3rd Quarter.

    Let him play the first serous then switch it up.

    Go Gators!

    Imo, it wouldn't be very wise (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by brodie on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:58:07 AM EST
    to allow a QB who's just suffered a serious concussion to run option plays.

    If Meyer does decide to reject my advice, he'll likely have Tebow hand off a lot, and toss plenty of screens and short passes.

    The longer Tebow holds the ball, either in a running or passing situation, the greater the risk for a major hit to occur.

    The backup Brantley looked okay to me on some highlight clips I've seen.  He can throw the ball, and that's good enough for me.

    FL + Brantley = 10 pt win.

    FL + Tebow = LSU by 3.


    Obama getting ready to speak in the Rose Garden (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:15:04 AM EST

    A rose (none / 0) (#42)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:44:42 PM EST
    by any other name smells...

    Let's Go Gators... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Same As It Ever Was on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:29:07 AM EST
    The doctors should decide on Tebow.  Either way,  Gators will shut down LSU's offense completely and make short work of the Tigers.

    I'm not a follower of (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 01:43:46 PM EST
    football - but I really love tennis.

    In today's news, Serena Williams threw a fifteen pound boulder onto the head of a lineswoman spitting her skull into seventeen different and equally colorful fragments.

    She later apologized admitting that she had "lost it", but pledged that it would never happen again. The lineswoman smiled from her perch underneath the courtside seats and said, "Ung latling borfa schrintly.." while pointing straight up.

    Meanwhile, Roger Federer announced the births of yet another set of twins.


    Over 1 million... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 10:29:22 AM EST
    innocent people stopped and likely frisked in the US last year...thats a disgrace for a supposedly free country.

    Uhhhhh (none / 0) (#35)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 11:47:01 AM EST

    The wavering rhetoric we've seen has been calibrated to the political realities in Washington as they have waxed and waned. Simply looking at the task at hand, and the methods available to achieve it, helps explain everything we have seen. And now we are in a position to see the president succeed in enacting a health care overhaul that is largely in keeping with exactly what Obama promised. He's not clairvoyant, but his strategy has made perfect sense and he deserves as much credit for that as all the activists who have worked so hard to get us to this point. The credit should be shared.

    I just do not understand why it was necessary for Obama to endlessly promote Baucuscare as a template, why it was necessary for him to choose the 900 billion number, etc.

    He may deserve more credit, but is being in a position where a fair number of Americans don't know what your plan even consists of really a good position?  And I am still not seeing signs that Obama is going to clobber Conrad and Lincoln into voting for cloture for a robust public option.

    I feel like the only thing missing from that (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 05:43:25 PM EST
    excerpt was the word "Amen."

    Is Booman kidding?  Obama's "strategy" has made perfect sense?  What strategy?  Laying low, letting the Congress reach new heights of clusterf**kery, popping in with the occasional lecture, straddling the fence like a career tightrope walker - that's a strategy now?

    I don't see the president enacting anything, frankly; one day he's for something and the next he wants to consider other options.  He does not now have, nor has he ever had - to my recollection - an actual plan.  

    Oh, he'll take whatever credit he can get, until the whole thing is implemented and turns out to be the boondoggle we always knew it was, and then Obama will want nothing to do with it.

    I don't ordinarily read Booman, but he has got a terrible case of Obama-blindness; it's like he's watched an entirely different show than the rest of us have for the last nine months.  I get wanting someone to succeed, but there's a point at which ignoring reality just makes the person sound too silly to take seriously.


    Link to text and video of Obama's Nobel speech (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ellie on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 02:02:09 PM EST
    Here ya go.

    I tried to put it in the still-open Nobel thread, which wouldn't load due to the excitement. Pre-emptive redundancy warning; I'm going to retry to post the link there.

    SuperD Grayson hits another one out of the park (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ellie on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 02:31:27 PM EST

    This Slugger makes it look so easy, you gotta wonder why the Dem leadership is still intent on bowing and scraping to their Repug overlords.

    I'm all for Coach Buttermaker putting lil' Timmy Lupus in the game -- core Dem values call for it -- just don't have that snot-glazed spaz batting cleanup all the friggin time.

    Gators (none / 0) (#50)
    by GGINPB on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:36:54 PM EST
    I think Brantley will start and only if the Gators struggle will Timmy play. I'm hoping (based on LSU's narrow escape last week) he won't be needed and that the big-game experience will serve Brantley well. Go Gators!!

    No second dose of Bruce... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 03:50:38 PM EST
    for me I'm afraid, babysitting for my sister instead so her and her husband can go to tonights show.

    A trip to the pizza parlor, followed by Baskin Robbins, and accessorizing Polly Pockets will be my entertainment this evening...a different realm of alotta fun:)

    Have a good one gang!

    Have your sister post a full report! ;-) (none / 0) (#60)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:21:51 AM EST
    Is tonight the night (none / 0) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 08:21:03 PM EST
    to raise a twinkie in a toast to the Twin Cities nine?

    With Joe Nathan warming up, the situation is beginning to look dire for the extraordinarily high paid Bombers.

    Jinx! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Steve M on Sat Oct 10, 2009 at 10:40:48 AM EST
    Nathan? (none / 0) (#58)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 09:06:57 PM EST
    Outta there!

    Actually, I'm surprised. he was my closer all season. Hand many an offer for him.