Sully: It's Hillary's Fault

[. . . P]ublishing lies as a way of sucking up to Marty Peretz makes Sullivan look worse rather than better. Whether he has a place in American political discussion really depends on the depth of his repentance. And it ain't too deep. - Brad DeLong

Via Atrios and Drum, Sully says his McCaughey Moment is Hillary's fault:

Again, I take responsibility. [. . .] But look: it was one piece in a magazine. It's being treated as if it were a turning point in history. Please. There's one reason the Clinton healthcare bill failed and it isn't Betsy McCaughey. It's Hillary Clinton.

Why Andrew Sullivan fails is the issue here, not health care reform in 1994 (Matt Cooper addresses that one.) BTW, Sully still has no apologies for "The Bell Curve" and "The Fifth Column." Maybe those were Hillary's fault too. BTW, Brad DeLong is old enough to remember that in 2007, Sully was defending his McCaughey Moment.

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    Sully (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:32:08 PM EST
    Is there coherence there?  

    I was expecting you to post this (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:33:03 PM EST
    But I think there's an inference to be made: CDS kill healthcare reform.

    In 2007 (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:46:42 PM EST
    Sully was proud to have killed Health Care Reform.

    Ooh, that's an even worse accusation (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:52:46 PM EST
    You're calling him unprincipled! (Not that I have any reason to agree or disagree: I don't read him anymore).

    It's less that he's unprincipled than (none / 0) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 11:18:18 PM EST
    that he's completely incoherent intellectually.  Major psychic issues, IMHO.  He makes no sense on broader themes, articulate and persuasive as some of his individual arguments for this or that can be from time to time.

    Another chance for Sully to trash (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:35:36 PM EST
    a woman. No one should ever trust anything Andrew Sullivan writes or says about a woman, even in the rare occasions when it initially seems to make sense. He is a misogynist of the first order.

    And his Hillary hate is epic. He takes CDS to new and dizzying heights.

    Nah, he's trashing (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:36:57 PM EST
    a racist, dontchaknow.  So it comports well with the Obamadrama.

    Are you as happy as I am Michelle Obama (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:18:03 PM EST
    didn't want Hillary Clinton to be VP?

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:37:42 PM EST
    that's actualy worked out well for her hasn't it?

    If people hate BaucusCare once (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:41:00 PM EST
    it is rolled out in 2013, it will be Hillary's fault.

    If we continue to lose jobs and the Dems lose seats in 2010 & 2012, it will be Hillary's fault. :-)

    One thing we know for sure is that no matter how bad they perform, the media bears no responsibility for anything they do. It will always be Hillary's fault or whoever they can easily blame for their actions.

    I've been imagining a deafening (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:19:20 PM EST
    roar of "WHY DIDN'T SHE SAY SOMETHING???" when the oblivious and ostrich-necked masses realize that the reform they whipped and supported-to-give-Obama-a-win turns out to be the garbage it was destined to be...thus making whatever we do - or don't - end up with: All. Hillary's. Fault.

    It will dovetail nicely with the anticipated push to make sure Obama is re-elected in 2012, even if he appears to be on track to be one of the most ineffective and disappointing presidents the Democrats ever claimed ownership of.


    To which the answer is, of course (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:35:00 PM EST
    that Hillary did say so, again and again.  And some of us were listening.  But others were distracted by bright shiny things like winning.  

    Winning what?  This.


    And of course (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:44:16 PM EST
    all that money she took from the insurence lobby would've had no bearing whatsoever on her pursuing the same vision of healthcare reform she aspired to fifteen years ago.

    Insurance Sector $$ for 2008 Presidential Campaign (5.00 / 8) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 06:42:00 PM EST
    John McCain $2.4M
    Barack Obama $2.3M
    Hillary Clinton $1.2M

    Source: Open Secrets

    Health Sector

    Barack Obama $19.5M
    John McCain $7.4M
    Hillary Clinton $6.4M

    Source: Open Secrets


    Mandatory links. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:16:12 PM EST
    Mandatory links are there (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:35:50 PM EST
    Underneath the data for Insurance sector there is a line that says

    Source: Open Secrets

    If you clink on Open Secrets it should take you to the data cited.

    Same with the data on Health sector.


    oculus is having fun (none / 0) (#34)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:49:59 PM EST

    Most of the time I know (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:59:05 PM EST
    when oculus is stirring the pot, but evidently not always.

    lol (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by TeresaInPa on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:00:19 PM EST
    all that money SHE took?  Honey, Obama is king of the corporate political puppets.  Look at the numbers.
    PS... his life and administration is chock full of lobbyists.  He always has taken money from them.  He lied to you and you are still looking at the world through koolaid shades.

    Oh, but he is getting rid of the lobbyists. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 11:37:21 PM EST
    See Huff Po.  No, I don't believe it either.

    yeah (none / 0) (#48)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 06:33:04 AM EST
    he will just find another lie to tell.  I remember when he said he took no money from federal lobbyists during his senate campaign.  No one in the media bothered to mention his big bucks from state lobbyists who are the same people as federal lobbyists except they spend one less day in DC or something like that.

    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:39:49 PM EST
    but I'm sick of hearing it's somebody else's fault whether it's from the Bush WH or the Obama WH. This is the same game Bush played where he blamed Dems for styming his "agenda" when the GOP controlled all three branches of government.

    Who is going to rise above a system (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:46:47 PM EST
    that requires all players raise tens-of-millions from those most adamantly opposed to reform.

    Give me a name. Im waiting.


    Well, Obama could (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by trillian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:54:57 PM EST
    ...if he had some cajones

    Carville suggested Hillary send him (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 06:05:55 PM EST

    Because she's got extra (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:21:00 PM EST

    Well, he must have (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:14:18 PM EST
    borrowed one from somebody at one time- he and Michelle do have two children.  Then he must have given it back.

    Maybe he borrowed them from (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:37:02 PM EST

    Well, if Michelle (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:53:15 PM EST
    is both the mother and the father, then it must have been parthenogenesis.  On the other hand, they're both girls, so I suppose it's possible..... ;-)

    It dosnt work that way (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 04:46:09 PM EST
    the campaign warchest was filled with certain expectations on the part of the donors. The same way Immaculate Hillary's was.

    Got off the puma snit and into reality.


    Somebody (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:51:10 PM EST
    with cojones and not a eunuch named Barack Obama that's for sure.

    Sexual potency = virtue? (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 04:48:47 PM EST
    Where's the BTD "sexism" squad?

    You forgot one (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by lambert on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:50:00 PM EST

    Not that I'd want Bareback Andy to be guilty of premature repentance...

    Do I really have to read all those links? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:59:58 PM EST

    They need ~her~ more than she needs them (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:16:44 PM EST
    Without her to pearl-clutch and faint over in a pinch, they got nuthin sandwiched between two slices of nuthin garnished with a side of nuthin.

    After what we've seen play out from the shriekfest of the '08 election, she can do whatever she effin' wants.

    oh BTD, you silly boy! (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by cpinva on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:17:23 PM EST
    have you forgotten, everything is the clinton's fault!

    You forgot (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:44:14 PM EST
    High unemployment, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,  childhood obesity, poverty, illiteracy, global warming, high crime rates, swine flu, and dandruff are her fault too.

    But most importantly, she is to blame for Detroit Lions having one win in 2 years.

    Hey, now that's going too far (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Cream City on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:17:28 PM EST
    as after all, remember: Hillary was with the Michiganders in wanting their votes to count.

    True that (none / 0) (#52)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 09, 2009 at 06:31:03 AM EST
    But you know they'll blame her anyways... (at least those outside of Michigan)

    Sully (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by norris morris on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 08:59:05 PM EST
    Sully is a boring faux intellectual with aspirations he can't possibly achieve. Like being taken seriously, for one.

    Everything is Hillary's fault. He's an idiot who continually references the past without understanding the present.

    If Obama fails to avhieve Healthcare reform it will be his fault. He's been longtime MIA and has not explained exactly WHAT his HR bill is or isn't. He's gone squishy on a public option in some of his ditheringly vague speeches, seemingly to prepare us for the worst?

    Obama hasn't shown  decisive and courageous leadership, but of course, this is Hillary's fault?

    I am wondering when this pretentious fraud will lose his audience.

    He didn't understand the past (none / 0) (#47)
    by TeresaInPa on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 06:28:57 AM EST
    when it was the present either.  
    You know it is very hard not to start believing that old saw about gay men hating women because they had terrible mothers when I read and hear the crap this guy spews. Thankfully I have always had gay friends and I know it is not true.

    surprised he has the time (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:35:41 PM EST
    with this going on

    "Team Levi is in the process of preparing for his Playgirl appearance,"

    "There's one reason" (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:43:00 PM EST
    thinking will carry a guy a long way in the American media. The chumps want an overly simplistic, simple-minded info smack upside the head -- before their attention wanders off again.

    Which is why Bush got two terms, Glenn Beck is popular and Sarah is a contender.


    Cancelled Atlantic subscription (none / 0) (#9)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:47:58 PM EST
    I was a longtime subscriber to the Atlantic Magazine. I stayed through a lot of cr@p including Michael Kelly as editor. The addition of Andrew Sullivan was the last straw for me, though. Told them I'll be back when Sully's gone.

    My Atlantic Subscription (none / 0) (#42)
    by norris morris on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 09:01:30 PM EST

    Me too. The magazine started to sicken me. When they rid the mag of this duo, I will be back along with many others.


    Have always found Atlantic (none / 0) (#45)
    by Spamlet on Thu Oct 08, 2009 at 01:22:23 AM EST
    too far right of center.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#12)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 04:53:19 PM EST
    calling that an apology is a little much.  

    All this does (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 05:40:58 PM EST
    is make me even sicker of people like Sullivan.

    I'd be willing (none / 0) (#28)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:15:46 PM EST
    to start taking up a collection to send him back to Britain, except he'd still be writing his drivel from across the Pond.

    Unfortunately you're (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:53:14 PM EST
    probably right. Is he still a writer for the UK Times?