Monday Afternoon Open Thread

So the Brett Favre led Vikings face Favre's old team the Packers tonight in Minneapolis. This should be fun. But how much of the result will depend on Favre?

Last week Favre threw a game winning touchdown with 2 seconds left so it is never wise to underestimate his importance. But let's face it, if the Pack can't stop Adrian Peterson (here's saying they can't, he's gone for over 100 yards in 3 of 4 against the Pack), then Favre is somewhat incidental to the Viking offense. The real question will be can Aaron Rodgers do damage to the Viking defense? I think not enough. I like the Vikes tonight (with Percy Harvin scoring a TD.)

This is an Open Thread.

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    The Pentagon owes me (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:23:16 PM EST
    a case of Silver Oak, 6 cases of Fat Tire, 200 lbs of Taste of Wild assorted flavors, and maid service for a month.  I promise to disclose this when it gets here and it had better get here pretty damned quick!  Oh yeah, a little 1800 too...okay....five bottles with a case of limes, so that I can try to wooo some potential friends with a margarita party or something!

    I kind of wondered who was paying you (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:25:44 PM EST
    off today!  Also kind of speculating:  what would MT's position be if she didn't have skin in the game?

    I would hope for a General (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:39:10 PM EST
    of McChrystal's caliber to come to the rescue after his firing.  Someone who could ask Obama nicely for troops or to go home and no bombing someone back to the stone age and who Obama would get a magic wand out for and grant both things to like the magic Obama that he is.  Because when I don't have skin in I see Ponies.  Huge ponies with giant ivory horns in the middle of their foreheads.  And I forget how horrible Iraq has been and how we got there and how it became exactly that horrible.

    Yes, I always thought a Unity Unicorn (none / 0) (#45)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:17:24 PM EST
    or a Unity Jackass was a lot more fitting than a Unity Pony.

    Good News (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:39:05 PM EST
    Thy Unity has arrived.  And nothing unseemly was said.....ever.  Who knew?  Looks like Spencer gets the maid and the Silver Oak :)  It's the same old same old for the cannon fodder :)

    More manipulation of public perception? (none / 0) (#55)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:44:26 PM EST
    Officials throughout the Obama administration, military and civilian, deny any rift and contend that the controversy over McChrystal's remarks is a media-driven event with little substance.

    I believe the dust-up was "media-driven" alright, but with the full participation of both parties.

    On the one hand, the so-called "rift" (between Obama and McChrystal) gives the appearance that Obama isn't gung-ho to escalate the Afghan war - ergo, he gets some CYA with the international community and with the fraction of his base that still gives a $hit about ending the war(s).

    And now, the faux reconciliation over the faux rift gives the appearance that McChrystal is both independent and under the control of the Commander in Chief. Ergo, they both look like 'strong' leaders.


    You honestly think (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:59:27 PM EST
    that no leak of any kind of frustration came out of the Pentagon (and with this Pentagon...hell any Pentagon...you can't tell me who did what on stuff like this) and a leaking of someone's plan to Woodward?  And you honestly think that General McChrystal didn't place Obama's "perspective" publicly in question....and that no plane landed on any tarmac and no General got his arse chewed by any President?  And that no retired General working for the President didn't know this went down and then said stuff to the press too?  And nobody from the Pentagon called Kit Bond? Hehehehehe....they have you in their very clutches my child.

    I didn't claim that there is no (none / 0) (#63)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 08:25:14 PM EST
    substance to the conclusions you pose as questions. My skepticism about the "rift" being played for political advantage by both parties doesn't negate your views. So please, don't "Hehehehehe" me.

    And what in the world do you mean by this:

    they have you in their very clutches my child.

    I could do without being called "my child", and who is "they"? That being said, peace to you and yours.


    I wasn't clear (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:56:12 PM EST
    I was talking about anyone reading Spence and finding his newly written reality on this the reality that was.  He makes it sound absolutely plausible if you can forget every single thing that went down.  It is no wonder he gets the maid.

    I also see that (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 08:23:41 PM EST
    this week the President is spending most of his time deciding his Afghanistan plans. But Spence didn't get the memo to these guys that they had imagined everything they wrote about Obama and McChrystal by press time I guess :)  I suppose he could decide to fire McChrystal or McChrystal can threaten to quit again, but it seems that maybe they are done with such things. If McChrystal did decide to quit, did not feel that the mission was in the best interest of his troops or would only make the Afghanistan situation worse I'm fine with that too.  Generals do it all the time.  They have careers too and no President should be allowed to destroy their careers with bad plans that lead to worse situations.  If Obama turns Afghanistan into a big bombing spree I can promise that my completely disillusioned husband will at that time finally retire too and take that nice civilian job.  I would be full up of crazy at that point. Most of the people doing this mission were holding on for dear life that something decent and worthwhile would transpire when Obama took office.  If he's no better than the Republicans I think a lot of experienced soldiers will be done all the way around.

    If Eisenhower's fear of a (none / 0) (#65)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:13:32 PM EST
    military-industrial-congressional complex has come to pass, I imagine that people will eventually stop volunteering to kill and die for naught.

    In such a scenario, you are right: the current militarized presence, comprised primarily of Blackwater mercenaries, could very well become a fighting force comprised entirely of Blackwater mercenaries.

    It would be a very ugly turn of events. But, I doubt the public could be so easily manipulated into stifling their criticism of illegal wars because it might "demoralize the mercs". The public might even begin to see the cycle of perpetual war for the evil that it is.

    On the other hand, if the draft were reinstated the fighting force would encompass a more inherently diverse group of individuals with a range of opinion (including critical perspectives) on the military and it's mission.  


    I experience from my point of view (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:48:23 PM EST
    in the trainwreck of war the pluses that go with soldiers who have careers.  Their victories follow them in life and so do their failures, and signing up for failure would be soooo stupid.  If there was a draft, at this point it does seem that fewer people would simply think that soldiers have to do what they are told and be the stupid cannon fodder that they are supposed to be to simply please the masses of the political parties.  The nation won't be left unguarded by something.  The powers no matter who they be, will not allow such a thing.

    "....if the draft were reinstated...." (none / 0) (#71)
    by NYShooter on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 11:39:07 PM EST
    with NO exemptions, the budget would be balanced, peace would break out worldwide, the economy would boom, and America would finally be on its way to fulfilling the dream upon which our Founders set us.

    I mean, how much could it cost to outfit a President and his Secretary of Defense? Two guns and four boots; we could swing that.


    Easy on the salt on mine, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:29:39 PM EST
    if invited.

    On the Rocks though? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:40:12 PM EST
    On the rocks. (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:43:27 PM EST
    Supreme Court and death penalty (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:38:56 PM EST
    They passed on hearing a case about the way Louisiana metes out the death penalty.

    But editing should be a requirement for any online "news" organization:

    The case involves a death sentence given to Brandy Holmes. She and her boyfriend, Robert Coleman, were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death for killing 709-year-old retired minister Julian Brandon Jr. on New Year's Day 2003.

    Holy sh$t...709 years old! (none / 0) (#36)
    by coast on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:09:01 PM EST
    How old was Yoda when he went toes up?

    Full disclosure (none / 0) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:06:18 PM EST
    I have Vikes kicker Longwell on my fantasy team (which is 3-0 going for 4-0 tonight as I hold a 47 point lead over my opponent (who has Pack WR Donald Driver left to play.))

    Are you disclosing this due (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:14:26 PM EST
    to the new FTC rule re bloggers?

    I disclosed in order to (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:15:36 PM EST
    make a joke about the new FTC regulations.

    As someone who has dealt with the FTC for decades, my view is that the chances of the FTC actually enforcing this new reg is 0.00000001%.


    So in your opinion (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:36:01 PM EST
    we'll still be subjected to ab machine infomercials with with small text "results not typical?"

    Wait.... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by coast on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:39:14 PM EST
    there was small text.  I didn't see any small text.   All this time I thought I was doing something wrong.

    heh (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:40:27 PM EST
    I love the ones that zap your stomach with some kind of electrical shock. Who's stupid enough to buy that?

    The same folks who bought the (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:44:14 PM EST
    thingee where you lie on your back on a table whilst a magic belt shakes up your abdomen?

    Ever had physical therapy? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:52:25 PM EST
    I can't speak to the quality of those Seen on TV, but strengthening muscles via electrical impulse is commonly done in physical therapy.

    I've had electrostimulation for a back injury (none / 0) (#31)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:00:52 PM EST
    where they put electrodes on the spasming muscle to get it work itself out.

    These were spasms that felt like I was being cut in half at mid-torso.

    It hurts like hell at first, because it replicated the spasms.  Then it began to approach something like "useful" if not "pleasant".  But it did put an end to the spasms.

    The PT was a little surprised when I told him to turn it up to 11, but it really did work.  


    Exactly (none / 0) (#37)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:17:27 PM EST
    I love those machines....the therapist finally let me manage the dial myself so I could put it as high as I could tolerate. Mine was for lower back spasms from a slipped disk.

    I'm in a toss up about tonight (none / 0) (#6)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:26:47 PM EST
    My reg D is on bye week so GB is my D, but I also have Percy in as a 3rd WR, lol! My opponent has Driver. And it could go either way as far as the win . . .

    Wish that online was (none / 0) (#38)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:18:42 PM EST
    a cute teevee segment just shown here in Packerland.  Reporter went to my old grade school! and interviewed kids for their projections for the Pack vs. Favre tonight.  The kids no longer are Favre fans; one taped over Favre's name on his Packer shirt, and another perfectly sums up Favre: "weird."

    As for their projections of the final score, you probably would agree with the 4th-grade girl who needs to learn more about football but knows her big numbers, because she predicts that the Vikings will score . . . 14,000 points.

    It just loses something in the translation to type here.  I hope the video comes up on the station's website, so I can post it.  So cute.


    Aha, it's online -- here's the link (none / 0) (#49)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:36:24 PM EST
    to the littlest football fans making their predictions.

    And on second viewing, I must amend my earlier report.  The girl predicted 14,000 touchdowns for Favre, not just 14,000 points for the Vikings.

    If so, gonna be a lot of brewski sucked down in the Cream City tonight to kill the pain, folks.

    Of course, even if not so and the Packers win, there's gonna be a lot of brewski sucked down in the Cream City tonight.  Some things are certainties in this life, after all.


    Oh, and how crazy is it here? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:20:37 PM EST
    Well, suffice it to say that the news is full of cancellations of official meetings tonight, as Monday night is a standard municipal meeting night.

    Some major issues -- budgets, highways, subdivisions, etc. -- just have to wait a week.  We have our priorities in Wisconsin.

    Besides, who's to say that Favre still will be playing next week?  Who knows, with his history?


    This lifelong Bears fan (none / 0) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:56:41 PM EST
    is actually hoping for a Packers' win. It has never happened to me before, but I want Green Bay to win. I mentioned this to my mother last night. Her response? She laughed and said, "Me, too." This from a woman who has been in the Bears' corner since WWII.

    So, this time only  "GO, PACKERS!"


    Awwwww (none / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:27:56 PM EST
    We knew you would come around.  So you get initiated into the secret culinary rites of the Pack Attack tonight: You get cheese curds!

    Cheese curds?! (none / 0) (#50)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:38:56 PM EST
    No one told me I'd get cheese curds. Please send them right over. I haven't indulged in that particular midwestern culinary treat in decades.

    Yah, youbetchadere (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:10:02 PM EST
    you get virtual cheese curds -- fried, of course, as there is nothing as good as fat deep fried in fat.  And then dip 'em in a fatty sauce!  (I recommend Bella's Fat Cat in Mwokee.)

    Oh, and do save some room for real Wisconsin custard.  Hard to pick the best spot for custard here, where the competition is fierce and full-color calendars and websites are published for us to find our frozen calorie fix.  Leon's on da Sout' Side dere was the spot copied for the teevee show Happy Days, written by a local.  And the chocolate at Le Duc's is worth the trip west out of town a ways.  But I'm a fan of the texture of the custard at Kopp's -- and lucky you, look at the flavors of the day.


    What's the name of the custard place (none / 0) (#56)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:45:25 PM EST
    in Madison?  I had a relative going to the U and I was visiting and we went there one lazy summer evening.  It's been a good 20 years, and I still remember that as some of the best frozen confection I've ever eaten anywhere.

    Nice quality time with the relative, too....


    There are several (none / 0) (#69)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:56:38 PM EST
    in Madison over the years that I've tried, so I don't know which one that would have been a couple of decades ago.  (They come and go there -- except for my fave:  the UW Ag School custard stand!)

    Hmm, was it Michael's? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:59:56 PM EST
    My fellow Packer fans here who also know Madison wonder if that would be the one you remember, as it is one that has been around since the '80s.

    Btw, I probably ought not tell you this, if you're watching calories, but . . . pssst, you can have frozen custard shipped to you from Michael's -- or from my fave Kopp's at the link above.  Just look ahead for the flavor of the day that you want and order it then, they say.  That is, if any is left after we have been there.  This is a house that keeps the monthly schedule of flavors posted!


    WSJ Retrospective C4C (none / 0) (#7)
    by Samuel on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:26:55 PM EST

       The basic fallacy of cash for clunkers is that you can somehow create wealth by destroying existing assets that are still productive, in this case cars that still work. Under the program, auto dealers were required to destroy the car engines of trade-ins with a sodium silicate solution, then smash them and send them to the junk yard. As the journalist Henry Hazlitt wrote in his classic, "Economics in One Lesson," you can't raise living standards by breaking windows so some people can get jobs repairing them.

        In the category of all-time dumb ideas, cash for clunkers rivals the New Deal brainstorm to slaughter pigs to raise pork prices. The people who really belong in the junk yard are the wizards in Washington who peddled this economic malarkey.

    Thankfully the rest of the cars were (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:31:34 PM EST
    recycled. But, boy, what a freakin' waste. Perhaps we should just tear down all the foreclosures so we can jump start the home industry?

    I am still (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:40:01 PM EST
    not sure why some are so concerned about getting almost 600,00 gas guzzleing polluting old cars off the road.

    I talked to the dealer that took mine.  he told me that they had done dozens and none of them were any loss to anyone.


    It effected the used car market (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Samuel on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:01:49 PM EST
    making it harder for lower income earners to obtain vehicles over the next few years.  

    etc., the 600,000 new cars was, what, 10X? the amount that would have been 'wasted' had the less-fuel-efficient clunkers clunked on to their natural end...

    In addition (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 08:03:54 PM EST
    The replacement cars only had to get about 4 mpg better than the clunker....not exactly a huge benefit.

    btw (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:42:11 PM EST
    my van was a 98.  it was in pretty good shape but it was about to roll over 100,000 and things were starting to go wrong.  it was not going to be viable much longer and I could not have gotten more than the 4 grand or so I got in the C4C deal.

    Not everyone was trading in ones (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:46:24 PM EST
    that were reaching the end of their usefulness. I think it's fine to get the cars that are on their way out and ones that are unsafe off the road, but some people can only afford used cars. I'm sure some of the clunkers weren't flat out gas guzzlers and were plenty safe to drive for a few more years.

    I'm glad (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 08:04:38 PM EST
    you got a good deal for what really was a huge waste of govt money.

    I'm sure Japan is very, very happy, though....


    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Steve M on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:40:58 PM EST
    who knew the purpose of cash for clunkers was to "create wealth"?  How nice of the WSJ to erect that strawman.

    Go on... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Samuel on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:52:59 PM EST
    that is not correct (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:38:01 PM EST
    the were not smashed.  they were sent to the junk yard for parts.  I got an amount on top of the rebate based on the junk parts value.

    Engines were ruined (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:42:18 PM EST
    they had to pour something in them that made them trash. Rest of the car was recycled. The stories I saw on the news did show a fair amount of smashing, but iirc, we do pretty well in using recycled metal. heck, Mets stadium is a high percentage of recycled steel.

    Still a waste of cars that still had a few good years and a loss to those they needed them.


    The cars themselves could be (none / 0) (#23)
    by coast on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:49:01 PM EST
    sold for scrap, but the law required the engines to be destroyed.

    My question would be (none / 0) (#26)
    by coast on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:52:51 PM EST
    who will do a study to find out what percentage of the participants in the program who financed the vehicle then defaulted on the loan within a year?

    Non-Keynesians (none / 0) (#28)
    by Samuel on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:53:33 PM EST
    It's time for the NFL to step in (none / 0) (#9)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:33:06 PM EST
    and put Al Davis on the bench, just like baseball stepped in and put Steinbrenner on ice from 90 to 93.  The police are investigating the head coach of the Raiders for breaking the jaw of one of the assistants there.  As in "textbook case of felony assault".

    I'm no fan of the Raiders - never have been.  Hated them in the 70s when they were the main competition for my fave Stillers.  Hated them since.  But, they are (or were) one of the NFL's signature franchises and a perennial powerhouse.  It appears, though, that since the Snow Bowl in Foxboro a few years back, they have been going in one direction - down.  And the blame for that course lies solely at the feet of Davis.  He's the one who's selecting players and he's selecting coaches.  He does not seem to have any criteria save that he "likes" them.

    Baseball suspended Steinbrenner in 1990 when he hired gambler/hustler Howie Spira to get dirt on Dave Winfield, with whom Steinbrenner feuded spectacularly over the decade Winfield was in The Bronx. And they kept him suspended through 1993, and the Yankees were run by "the baseball people" during that time.  I think if one were to ask even Steinbrenner himself, he would agree that the suspension was for the best, and surely turned out for the best.  During that time, the Yankees drafted and/or developed and did not trade away for the momentary advantage a rent-a-free-agent might deliver:  Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettite, Jorge Posada, and Derek Jeter (to name the more prominent players).  Of them, two are locks for the Hall of Fame (Jeter and Rivera), and Posada and Williams have an outside chance.  

    And they made some pretty good trades, too:  Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill, Steve Sax for Bob Wickman and others (Wickman being a key relief pitcher in their 96 Series season and a part of the trade that brought Graeme Lloyd -even more important to the '96 team - to the Yankees.)

    And they picked up Wade Boggs as a free agent - one of the dumber moves in Red Sox history was letting him go.

    More to the point, those players formed the core of a team that went to the playoffs for 13 straight years and won it all in 4.

    The NFL should suspend Davis - for the good of the league and the good of his team - and clean house in Oakland.

    So that explains why Winfield went (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:46:51 PM EST
    into HOF in a Padres cap.  I thought it was because Padres' owners made him a VP of the org.

    Yup. And Winfield going to the HOF (none / 0) (#29)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 04:55:18 PM EST
    in a Pods cap also is why the Yankees did not retire his #31.  If he had gone in as a Yankee, they would have retired #31.

    And he rarely shows up for Old Timers' Day.


    Trevor Hofmann (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:00:46 PM EST
    just signed for another year with the Brewers.  If he goes into the hall in a Brewers cap, can't say I'll blame him but Pads fans will be very disappointed.  Of course, they boo him when he blew a few saves his last year here.

    Hoffman wants to pitch. (none / 0) (#33)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:02:57 PM EST
    The Pods don't want him.  Why, I can't figure - a good closer is worth keeping and, right now, the Pods don't have one.  

    As long as he can get guys out with regularity, he'll have a job.  Ask Jamie Moyer.


    Heath Bell led the NL in saves, (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:06:05 PM EST
    at least last week he did.  I think the Pads' ownership thought Trevor's price was too high.  Owners getting a divorce.  Big mess.

    So, it's not a baseball decision (none / 0) (#41)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:36:17 PM EST
    but it's a money decision?

    The Pods owners ought to talk to the Wilpons about money-driven decisions, and how that whole losing-money-to-Madoff thing worked out for their team this year.  There are a lot of people (not me) who think that because they lost a huge sum to Madoff, the Mutts owners are a mental mess and the team suffered as a result.

    I, OTOH, think it's just a curse they brought along with them from Shea, only worse because when they built their new stadium atop the site of the parking lots and auto body shops out in back of old Shea, beyond turning it into an homage to Ebbets Field and the Brooklyn Dodgers (something irrelevant b/c of lack of memory to anyone under the age of, say, 60), they left out pretty much any reference to it being the Mets' new home, including references to their 2 World Titles (one more than the Dodgers won in NY, IIRC).  They even were going to leave the darned Home Run Apple in Shea, and the new one they had built can't reload itself quickly enough to pop up in time for back-to-back homers.

    Not that the Mutts hit that many homers, mind you.

    They were even going to give Doc Gooden grief for autographing the wall near a mens' room.  It would have been the only place in the new stadium where he appeared, but for the tabloids getting hold of it.


    Repeat after me: baseball is a business. (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:39:33 PM EST
    The big chill of US/Cuba relationships (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:07:33 PM EST
    is still intact.  NY Phil. cancels concert in cuba as U.S. Treas. won't give the big donors paying for the trip licenses to legally travel to Cuba.


    Other than grandstanding (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 05:45:16 PM EST
    for swing-state Batista-istas, is there any other good reason why this crap is still going on?

    Yeh, I gotta stop teaching (none / 0) (#48)
    by Cream City on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:29:49 PM EST
    as the textbooks do, that the Cold War is over.

    It lives on in the idiots squirreled away for decades in nooks and crannies of our gummint bureaucracy.


    Teh terorism has become teh new communism (none / 0) (#58)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:58:10 PM EST
    hasn't it? i.e. we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

    Ony 12 hours, why not 24 Andy? (none / 0) (#57)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 07:55:15 PM EST
    Why not 24/7? Strong stomach, see this Gawker LINK wherein Andrew Sullivan over-shares:
    I recall one marathon twelve-hour session of [sexual] passion many years ago now. It was only afterwards that I realized I had barely had a single trace of an analytic thought for the longest period I could then remember.

    Brett Farve is amazing (none / 0) (#66)
    by Saul on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:28:17 PM EST
    Watching the game.  He will be 40 Saturday and he is as good as he ever was.