Next Step On HCR: Burn The Trigger Ship

After months of travel the eleven ships landed in Veracruz. Cortes had the men unload everything from all eleven ships. As they headed into their new adventure the men turned back and saw all eleven ships burning! Cortes had ordered the ships to all be burned. Cortes did not know what he and his men would encounter in their expeditions. What he did know was that by "Burning the Ships" he had completely eliminated their option of going back. At the same time creating an intensely powerful motivation to succeed.

While Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and President Barack Obama need to concentrate on persuauding/pressuring the uncommitted on cloture Dem Senators, in my view the progressive health care reform movement needs to shut the door on triggers. More . . .

Not that anyone is asking for my advice, but I think that progressives have little, if any, influence over Ben Nelson. Mary Landrieu is not up for reelection again until 2014 (Pressure on Blanche Lincoln seems plausible, she is in for a tough fight next year.) But progressive DO have influence over Senators less beholden to the insurance industry. And these Senators should be whipped to publically state they would vote No on Snowe's triggers. Already, Senators Burris, Rockefeller and Feingold have made it clear they will not vote for triggers. 10 or 11 more commitments will bury the trigger for good.

Time to burn the Trigger ship. Let President Obama and his team know there is no turning back on the public option.

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    Learned something today. Good. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:02:08 AM EST

    Indeed. Just spent way too much time (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 01:34:32 PM EST
    on wiki.

    Apparently the real impetus for Cortes to scuttle/burn the ships (all but one, actually) was because HE had no option.

    HE had to succeed or he would be put to death.

    (Had he returned to Spain or Cuba he would have been tried and likely executed for mutiny. His only chance at escaping execution was if he brought Spain massive riches from Mexico and established himself as irreplaceable there.)

    Is BO in this situation? HE has no option? Absent 'success' on this, BO's a gonner?


    I asked my friend today if she (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 07:41:48 PM EST
    Cortes burned his ships.  She did!

    If Republicans were smart (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by magster on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:13:03 AM EST
    they'd designate 5 seemingly moderate members to announce they'd vote for a trigger and have them team up with Blue Dogs. The progressives' achilles heel is their reliance on universal opposition by the GOP.  The teabaggers are the progressives' best friends.

    Party Of One (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:15:18 AM EST
    which Milbank called Reid, of course applies properly to Snowe.

    The health insurance industry would have been smart to embrace triggers in the end and brought 10 Republicans along.

    They did not.


    It's time to declare triggers DOA (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:41:30 AM EST
    and expose them for the dishonest way in which they are being used by so-called fiscal cafeteria conservatives (lots of money for war, no money for health care/lots of money for bank/broker parasites, no money for health care), to strengthen their image as wise stewards of the nation's finances, who are not so cold-hearted as to eliminate the "safety net" of triggers.

    Pardon me while I gag.

    Does anyone know where the states are on this?  Is it time to start thinking about putting pressure on state legislators and governors who are most likely to want to go in this direction?  How vulnerable are they to losing their jobs?  

    I just have to think that the people who live in states like Louisiana, where unemployment is high, many are uninsured and the health rankings are pretty low, might have a much different wish list on health care and be willing to vote out those who think it's just fine for them to continue to struggle and have limited options.  

    I think the more sides can be pressured, the better the results.

    They gonna make me go by RECALL if I vote No No No (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ellie on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:58:09 AM EST
    You can still light a fire under the comfy bum -- I mean "safe" seat -- of Mary Landrieu and have her singing like Amy Winehouse once she learns that Louisiana is one of the 18 states that allows a RECALL of Senators.

    The progressive netroots got her into her seat and they can hold her feet to the fire now. From the above link:

    Step 1
    Consider your location. Few states allow for a recall of a senator--only 18 and the District of Columbia. If you're not living in one of these states you have no constitutional rights to recall.

    Step 2
    Determine the grounds for recall. You'll need this information to make your case to the population but in 7 of the 18 states specific grounds are actually required. In these states, if your reasons don't measure up, you won't be allowed to proceed with the recall.

    Step 3
    Get signatures. You'll need a petition to get a recall election. The number of signatures is usually a percentage of the voters at the last election but this differs by state.

    Step 4
    Prepare for a response. At some point during the process, the senator will be notified that a petition for recall is being circulated. She will then have a chance to respond to the allegations.

    Step 5
    Get voters to the recall election. Once the recall election is granted, alert the community and get them out to vote. The ballot will ask whether or not the senator should be recalled and the state may hold an election at the same time to elect the next person for that office.


    The 18 states allowing for recall are as follows: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin..

    A website or a phone campaign are good ways to get your petition going. Going door-to-door is also an option although it is more time consuming than the other two. This is important since you only have a set number of days to obtain the correct number of signatures--anywhere from 30 to 180 days..

    You will be fighting an uphill battle to recall a U.S. Senator. No member of Congress has ever been recalled in the history of the United States.

    I'm guessing that her constituents won't be thrilled by the prospect of re-losing everything they own if they get sick.

    Perhaps a little online (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:16:49 AM EST
    drive to threaten to recall her could help?

    The beauty of it is ... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Ellie on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:24:50 AM EST
    ... whether the actual drive succeeds or not in the long run, the eyes are already on the issue.

    I love the recall option (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 12:59:50 PM EST
    One of my Senators (Cantwell) sits on the Finance Committee where she voted YEA along with Snowe on the missing Public Option bill. Then last night I get an email from Cantwell with the subject line: I KNEW WE COULD DO IT ...

    what a beautiful (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:10:11 AM EST


    Georgia (none / 0) (#9)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:30:05 AM EST
    on my mind!  It's my state, yee ha!

    The problem with burning the trigger ship (none / 0) (#10)
    by robrecht on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:37:58 AM EST
    (great analogy, BTW) is it emphasizes party division when Reid is trying to play upon party unity in order to get party-line vote for cloture.  He may promise (and even want) triggers as a back-up plan if the opt-out option fails.  Reid doesn't have the stomach for this kind of thing.

    Wouldn't he have sent it to (none / 0) (#11)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:49:02 AM EST
    CBO if he wanted them as a back up? I don't think Trigger galloping/sailing in will help his re-election campaign . . . .

    No, I don't think so (none / 0) (#12)
    by robrecht on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 11:54:12 AM EST
    That too would emphasize a cause for division within his majority.

    There are no ships to burn (none / 0) (#16)
    by ricosuave on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:56:47 PM EST
    What is either Obama or Reid going to do?  Are they going to call no backsies? They can make all the declarations they want (even all the declarations you want) that the trigger is not an option, but the trigger is always an option they can fall back on and the trigger-happy Senators know it and that figures into their bargaining.  Everyone knows that Obama will be happy with anything he can sign and reasonably call Health Care Reform (with or without the public option) and there are plenty of people who would be happy to put Reid in a tough spot.

    The trigger is out there, and there is nothing Obama and Reid can do to keep these senators from running back to it and jumping aboard.  It is a fact in the negotiation landscape and can't be ignored or wished away.

    P.S. Cortes is a horrific role model to choose.  There is almost nothing redeeming about the guy, and what he did to Tenochtitlan makes you think he was from the 20th century.

    If you have any interest in that period, I recommend Aztec by Peter Jennings, which is a fantastic novel and a great overview of Aztec (more properly called Mexica) civilization at the time Cortes arrived.