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Wednesday Night Open Thread

It's still snowing here. The TL kid is coming for dinner -- my special green chile, warm tortillas and salad. It's also the worst TV night of the week, not one of the shows I watch is on.

What's on your mind tonight? This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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  • You should try (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by dk on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:08:42 PM EST
    watching Glee.  It's a lot of fun.  Great musical numbers.

    Glee's Gold Digger is better than Kanye's (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:53:24 PM EST
    I haven't seen the show yet but I've swapped some of the musical numbers with fellow music hounds. The tunes are just great, so I'll have to record and catch up during the upcoming holiday downtime.

    I've barely watched TV's new season; it's a combination of not being a "reality" show fan and my work/family schedule so I'm out of the pop-culture loop. (I'm limited to the sports crawl and movies from the personal archives.)

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    My Aunt loves this show too (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:17:27 AM EST
    She also recommended the movie 'Rachel Getting Married'.  I remembered someone on here really liking it as well, maybe oculus.  So my daughter and I had netflix bring it and we watched it yesterday.  It's a very profound movie.  Anne Hathaway was mesmerizing.

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    I though Rachel Getting Married (none / 0) (#92)
    by dk on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:17:44 AM EST
    was one of the most powerful movies I had seen in a long time.  The emotions were very raw.  There were a few times I literally had to turn away, yet the whole time I was engrossed in it.  

    I agree that Anne Hathaway really showed a lot of talent.  My only regret is that they didn't have more for Debra Winger to do.

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    Debra Winger was amazing as well (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:31:30 AM EST
    And when the movie was over, I was so angry at her character.  Whenever I watch a movie it is always in the back of my mind that it is just a movie.  When my husband talks to the screen I remind him it's a movie.  But I lost that completely watching that movie, and I came to embrace the human weaknesses and frailities of all the character's except Wingers.  There is this mother out in movieland that I'm just furious with too :)

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    Now you are ready for (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:14:53 AM EST
    "Girl,Interrupted" Winona Ryder and Angelina Jolie.

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    You and I talked about this show (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:30:23 AM EST
    a long while ago and how we were reminded of our daughter's worst growing up moments :)  My daughter and I have become wonderful friends again, and I never thought it would be possible even though numerous people told me numerous times it would happen.  We talked about it for hours while we waited at the hospital.  She told me that she couldn't tell me why she did many of the things that scared me to death when she was around sixteen and seventeen.  She says that even she is a mystery to herself on it all, but she says that she is beginning to comprehend how having a horribly disabled brother may have played into things.  She never ever allowed herself to mad about the attention she missed, she was the lucky one and even feeling that way was sinful in her big sister book.  It meant she didn't love him enough.  She also realizes how so much stress when we fighting to save his life and get his titanium rib surgery covered may have affected her then too.  She became very self destructive for a time.  Scared us to death.  We had one child very disabled and the second one seemed to be trying to destroy herself in various ways.  I remember talking to doctors about it too and being told that sometimes with teenagers you just have to hang on tight, make sure they are safe, and wait for the brain to mature in the mental firestorms.

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    You are much more forthcoming on (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:33:52 AM EST
    family matters than moi, but, suffice it to say, what you write resonates.

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    I definitely agree (none / 0) (#168)
    by dk on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:49:57 AM EST
    that Debra Winger's character exhibited the most human weakness and frailty of any of the characters in that movie.  I admire the courage of the filmmakers to include such a character.  While it risks alienating the audience, it had a real sense of reality.  I mean, let's face it, some people in real life really are that weak.  And lest I not come off as judgmental, I frankly don't know how I would react if I were put in the same position as that character was.  Hopefully I wouldn't react the way her character did, but in all honesty it's hard to know for certain unless it actually happens.

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    I love Glee too (none / 0) (#128)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:38:54 AM EST
    Really look forward to it every week. The musical numbers are wonderful, and Jane Lynch's Sue Sylvester is the funniest character I've seen for a long time.

    And that Matthew Morrison is just adorable. Loved all his dancing last night.

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    Spent last night at the hospital (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:26:11 PM EST
    False Naomi arrival alert.  Other things have occurred today, but I slept all morning so I'm ready for tonight or tomorrow to head back to the hospital.  It was good though to get a test run.  Got the opportunity to pack up certain items that I had not thought about needing.  We are GO

    Hope everything goes well! (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:43:16 PM EST
    The only good thing about a scheduled c-section was that we could get everything taken care of - the dog was kenneled, grandma took the 2 year old, my husband took the time off from work, shopping was done.  That and have an early am showtime which beats a long sleepless night spent in labor.

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    What an exciting time!!! (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:23:47 PM EST
    I'll never forget the call that told me my daughter was heading for the hospital...just makes a mom's heart swell with joy! I couldn't get to the hospital fast enough...then, we waited 20 hours :)

    Did you get to be there when your first grandaughter was born?

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    It is hard to be depressed (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:12:10 AM EST
    about some family issues when you have new life making its entry as well.  And Zoey is amazing right now, so bossy too.  I used to be the only grandchild who wasn't afraid of my grandfather and I would dish it right back.  I think I've been rewarded :)  But four will soon be five.  And when my husband phoned home tonight he asked our daughter to not leave if she reconciles with her spouse before he gets home.  He wants to soak some of the good stuff up too.

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    I just realized that I didn't answer your (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:07:39 AM EST
    question...duh.  I was not in the room.  My daughter is very private about herself, and don't laugh...but she wanted a different doctor to deliver this baby because she wasn't going to be there with the same guy getting to know her intimately.  Her doctor this time is a woman and the practice has several women OBs too, and she does seem to have a different feeling about having a woman doctor.  But I will probably be ouside in the waiting room while the baby is actually born.  My daughter delivers with medical professionals present and nobody else :)

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    I can relate to your daughter's thinking :) (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:26:25 AM EST
    For my first the doctor asked me if I wanted my husband in the room...my response was "no, and if you can find a way to leave me in the hall, too, I'd appreciate it."

    My daughter had her husband in the room, and the rest of us waited patiently in the waiting area. The two uncles, though (both single and so excited to have their first niece or nephew), stood right outside the room so they could hear the announcement of what it was at the very moment.

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    Good luck with everything (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:52:23 AM EST
    We'll be thinking of you and yours.

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    ditto (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:53:05 AM EST
    No call to action last night (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:55:05 AM EST
    I'm thinking today.

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    Is she past her due date? (none / 0) (#156)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:27:18 AM EST
    n/t

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    Nope, shes still about 13 days early (none / 0) (#162)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:36:20 AM EST
    But she's extremely effaced and dilated and has lost certain things that indicate it is very soon time.  She has had contractions off and on too and around five months it really became a worry for awhile.  She has carried though to 38 weeks and Naomi is a very large baby.  I wonder if her due date isn't off by attempting to go by date of last period.  They always act like nobody could ever ovulate freakishly early in a cycle.  Sorry to the guys on here if this it too much information :)

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    If you're a student (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:19:15 PM EST
    (I figured this would be interesting to some).

    If you're a student (or your child is), you can buy one copy of RETAIL (not student edition) Windows 7 for $29.99.

    All you need is

    1.  An email address with a .edu extension.

    2.  Proof that you're taking at least one class.  If they ask and you can't supply the proof, you're immediately liable for the cost of the retail product.

    The software is sold through a 3rd party retailer called DigitalRiver linked to from Microsoft.com/student.  From this location, the links to the software offers are in black and white, but they turn colored when you mouse over them.

    I say "software offers" because you can also get retail Office 2007 Ultimate for $59.99 in the same manner.

    On more thing: Microsoft's Dreamspark.com is quite interesting, where students can get many of the Microsoft developer products for free.  You'll also find a link to Dreamspark from the link I provided.

    No affil, I just love cheap and free deals.  This is all through Microsoft, all legit.

    Two words of warning about that offer (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:27:04 PM EST
    1. It's an UPGRADE version, and you might have to jump through hoops to install onto a blank HD (preferred with Windows).

    2. That's a download, and getting a DVD in the mail costs extra.


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    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:36:34 PM EST
    Windows 7 is an upgrade....sneaky bastids, they are.  I believe the Office Ultimate ISN'T an upgrade, and is a full retail version.  However, I'm checking on that.  I know that the DreamSpark product downloads are full products....I installed some of them.

    Regarding Windows 7 how many people build their own PC's? which is for the most part, the only way you wouldn't have a Windows license that you can upgrade. (Actually, at our house we do build our own PC's and have a couple of Ubuntu boxes, but that's a side point).  You can definitely do a clean install from this version of Windows, so you don't have to double install if you ever need to wipe and reinstall after installing Windows 7.

    I am still trying to get ahold of a customer service person at DigitalRiver to find out what kind of file the Windows and Office downloads are.  If they're ISO files, you can burn your own DVD.  You wouldn't have to purchase the $13 DVD's....and if you do have to purchase them, that price includes shipping.

    The DreamSpark files are ISO files.

    The Windows 7 and Office are both full retail products meaning they can be upgraded (unlike academic versions).

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    Not only is this version of Windows an upgrade, (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:45:46 PM EST
    but the download eventually results in an exe file--not an ISO so far as I can tell.

    And who would have a computer on which to install Windows? Everyone who has an Intel based Mac--like me. Supposedly, you really do need to have a version of Windows already installed to use this upgrade version, but there might be ways around that.

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    Wanna bet how long 'til Polanski (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:25:48 PM EST
    waives formal extradition proceedings and arrives in custody in LA County?  

    Rape victims denied health insurance... (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:45:37 AM EST
    Oculus, isn't there six degrees of separation between Roman Polanski and anything in the world - even health insurance? Apparently not. From HuffPo, Rape Called "Pre-Existing Condition" By Insurance Companies:
    women have contacted the Investigative Fund to say they were deemed ineligible for health insurance because they had a pre-existing condition as a result of a rape, such as post traumatic stress disorder or a sexually transmitted disease. Other patients and therapists wrote in with allegations that insurers are routinely denying long-term mental health care to women who have been sexually assaulted.

    Somebody shoot me now - before I develop the pre-existing condition of being stark raving mad!

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    Why? (none / 0) (#75)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:55:15 PM EST
    I thought he wanted to fight the American injustice system just on principle!  Just one little guy against the cruel, cold system....and all that.  Very noble.  Very heroic.

    On second thought, I must be thinking about someone else.

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    Polanski (none / 0) (#88)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:46 AM EST
    strikes me as a marshmallow, a man who likes to stay in his comfort zone, a lover, not a fighter.

    OTOH, Bernie Kerik strikes me as a fighter, a dirty fighter, a man who takes nothing lying down, someone always working on his next scheme.

    JMO.

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    I'm going to take your word for it (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:13:25 AM EST
    He won't waive it (none / 0) (#180)
    by eric on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34:06 AM EST
    unless he gets a deal.  Otherwise, he knows what will happen to him.  California will put on a HUGE show trial and he will spend the rest of his life in prison.

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    These two didn't mind Pinko-Care for themselves (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:35:18 PM EST
    I just posted this at Digby's in relation to a thread about Arlen Specter not imagining how health care would free entrepreneurs currently trapped in jobs just so they wouldn't lose the health coverage they currently had. Begin blathering:

    Arlen Specter might be impressed by how health insurance (and care) has allowed these two rags to riches urchins to prosper in business:

    Newspaper publisher Gannett CEO returns after back surgery - AP October 15th, 2009
    McLEAN, Va. -- The CEO of Gannett Co., the country's largest newspaper publisher, returned to work Thursday after a medical leave this summer for back surgery.

    "I am glad to be back and returning to the day-to-day responsibilities at Gannett," Craig Dubow, 54, said in a statement. "I feel very good about my personal health and the company's."

    Gannett, which publishes USA Today and dozens of other newspapers, announced in June that Dubow would be taking a medical leave after "major" back surgery. Gracia C. Martore, executive vice president and chief financial officer, took over his duties.
    ----------
    And how about Dick "Patches" Cheney? You'd hardly recognize the strapping lad as the lame, angelic, soot-covered chimney sweep whose gubmint-funded pinko cholesterol meds allowed him to prosper as the much feared Baby-Eating Bastard of the Beltway.
    ----------

    Cheney flies in briefly - Former VP attends think tank retreat
    By CHRIS KNIGHT and JESSICA COLLIER, Adirondack Daily Enterprise Staff Writers; Sept 25, 2009

    ... "I heard we were expecting him," [Town of Harrietstown Councilman and Airport Committee Chairman Barry] DeFuria said. "I was basically told not to go hunting, if that tells you anything."

    DeFuria was jokingly referring to the February 2006 hunting accident in which Cheney shot Texas attorney Harry Whittington while taking part in a quail hunt on a ranch in Texas. Whittington was injured in the face, neck, and upper torso. He was discharged from the hospital six days after the shooting.

    Cheney, 68, has maintained a public profile since leaving office and has repeatedly criticized the Obama administration's national security policies.

    The former vice president underwent spinal surgery last week in Washington; several people at the airport Friday saw him walking with a cane.

    Considering how ubiquitous the surly Cheney was in media just prior to his surgery, you have to give his surgeons high marks for their thoroughness. The news archives are strangely clean of news related to Dick Cheney's elective surgery to relieve lumbar stress -- and back pain -- in our hero. Don't fret, though! He'll be back to devouring poor people in time for the holidays!

    (No, really, there used to be dozens of articles on Cheney and now the well is eerily dry!)
    .End 'o'blather.

    You see, the warranty on the (2.00 / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:50:20 PM EST
    blame Bush - Cheney machine has ran out so the once popular sport is falling into disfavor.

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    Oh ~you~! It's like riding a bike ... (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:59:17 PM EST
    There's absolutely no good reason for those articles about Cheney's expensive, elective surgery and care to vanish.

    They'll turn up with a little prodding, I'm sure.

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    No, really (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:07:24 PM EST
    The "he aint here no more" factor is kicking in.

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    Yet the Bush-Cheney Ringwraiths slam Clinton (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:35:00 PM EST
    ... even as we speak! The Sneering One was out in full force, carping about President Obama and fmr. President Clinton.

    It's ludicrous to expect media to look away from the most paranoid, opaque admin(s) in history while its leaders currently hurl nuclear toxicity at what preceded and followed them.

    Can't have it both ways.

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    Of course they slam Clinton (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:36:38 AM EST
    but it doesn't count for the same reason.

    Obama, on the other hand, is the Prez and as such is the responsible party and thus it is fair to note the desperate situationS the country is now in.

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    Waiting? (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:13:58 PM EST
    Great Scot, DA. It's here!

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    You haven't noticed (none / 0) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:39:12 AM EST
    Government Owned Motors?

    Wow.

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    So modest that you post (none / 0) (#116)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:17:06 AM EST
    a 2000 screed in response to my joke???

    BTW - This steely eyed business type would have let GM actually go under and would never have given a dime to Chrylser's network of Democratic contributors.

    LOL

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    Don't you that the market promotion (5.00 / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:00:03 AM EST
    of giant blood sucking gas guzzlers that the Bush administration encouraged and engaged in was also heinous?  It certainly encouraged the stiffling of technology that would have increased fuel mileage and other sorts of tech eco pursuits.

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    Oops...not enough coffee (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:16:18 AM EST
    I meant to ask you Jim if you THINK the market promotion was heinous?

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    Not to be picky (none / 0) (#189)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59:30 AM EST
    but do you have some links of the Bush administration doing that?

    And how did they stifle technology??

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    Read? (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:55:01 AM EST
    You think I read your replies?

    lol

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    Taser thinks that (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by JamesTX on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:23:15 PM EST
    police might should stop firing the company's personal torture devices at people's chests, because

    Should sudden cardiac arrest occur in a scenario involving a Taser discharge to the chest area, it would place the law enforcement agency, the officer, and Taser International in the difficult situation of trying to ascertain what role, if any, (the device) could have played...  (Associated Press)

    I guess the "difficult situation" the company might experience is clearly more important than, say, the life of the person who's heart stops. I wonder how quickly some prosecutor or expert would point out a "complete lack of conscience" on my part if I cited my reason for not speeding through crosswalks as a desire to avoid "the difficult situation of explaining a dead pedestrian", rather than citing a concern for the pedestrian's life to begin with. But then, as some have said, corporations by their very nature meet the DSM-IV criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (these legal creatures, if they were really people, generally would be called psychopaths).

    Terrific, as if these things weren't already (none / 0) (#158)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:29:05 AM EST
    scary.  Now they are going to be attempting to bury those hooks in my a$$.  You wouldn't want to tase someone's lower front and zap their genitals.  Or maybe that is too much caring.

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    The Dude conducting in LA on (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:29:19 PM EST
    PBS "Great Performances" tonight.

    Really wonderful...

    Graysonmania (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 04:07:22 AM EST
    I like Rep. Grayson's style.
    I can identify with his manner of speaking.

    However, for me, there is a troubling red flag.

    He sidesteps any criticism of Obama.

    Grayson has done this with respect to Obama's non-presence in the push for healthcare reform legislation which features a "strong public option".

    Perhaps even more importantly, Grayson shunts criticism aside when asked about Obama's move toward escalating the war in Afghanistan. Grayson has called the war pointless. He says we should be out of there now - yesterday.

    We will find out about Rep. Grayson's "guts" when and if Obama chooses to send ever more troops into this disaster. He will either denounce it, or he will back off and reveal himself to be another "good democrat".

    To me,  a "good democrat" is one who seeks to ingratiate him/herself with the democratic party in in order to use the party to advance their political ambitions. A ripe example of this is Obama endorsing, praising and campaigning for Lieberman. That was not a good sign. It told us something about Obama - something that is unfolding before us.

    I hope that Grayson is more than that.
    But there's that pesky "hope" thing again.

    Grayson is awsum (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:35:39 AM EST
    I like him more every time I hear him.

    afaiac he is a role model for the democratic party.
    except for the ties.

    as far as criticizing Obama.  he is a very smart guy.  that would be counter productive to his goals.
    and would accomplish very little.


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    A delicious video (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:53:30 AM EST
    starring Franken provided by FDL and powered by YouTube.

    Keep ypur eyes on your fries... (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:08:31 AM EST
    From the FDL News Desk:

    * A little-known shift in the language on the Baucus health care bill from the Senate Finance Committee would base coverage subsidies on modified gross income instead of adjusted gross income, basically reducing the credit for most families and put the credit out of reach for some families that otherwise would have received them by putting others over the 400% federal poverty level and eliminating their subsidies. A dirty trick, to be sure, and an example of how these bills must be watched closely.

    Bold is mine.

    You can't even take your eyes off these people for one minute...

    compelling (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:16:43 AM EST
    D-Day veteran's speech on gay marriage is YouTube hit

    He said: "I am here because of a conversation I had last June, when I was voting.

    "The woman at my polling place asked me, do I believe in equality for gay and lesbian people.

    "I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me.

    "Finally I asked her: what do you think I fought for in Omaha Beach?"

    Reminds me of my WWII Paratrooper... (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:50:29 AM EST
    grandfather, who was fond of saying "I didn't jump out of planes over Europe for this sh*t" in his old age, reflecting on what had become of his country:)

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    Thanks for that (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:33:22 AM EST
    Always loved Jerry.

    In 1980 I clipped out a Mike Royko column titled 'Governor Moonbeam has landed'  in which Royko basically apologized for sticking the Governor Moonbeam tag on Brown, and went on to describe how Brown was the only candidate that year with the farsightedness to see the impact of immigration and predicting the haves vs have not society that we have seen come to pass. I'll add that I never cut out clippings from newspapers. That one just seemed prophetic to me - I dug it out a few years ago, so I may still have it. I will post quotes from it later on at home.

    I don't agree with everything Jerry Brown does - pols are pols - but there is no doubt he is a brilliant man, and fearless. Whatever his reasons may be, I'm glad to see someone taking on all the edia, not just Fox.

    Well, I enjoyed the way (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by brodie on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:04:01 AM EST
    he called out the CNBC economic elitists, and obviously more Dems appearing on these type of shows need to speak as directly and forcefully as he did, as Bill Clinton and Barney Frank tend to do consistently these days.

    Can't say, however, that Jerry has always been "fearless" in his conduct.  As gov in the 70s and early 80s, there were times when he had to do some back flips in order to not to fall behind the prevailing political sentiment -- Prop 13 and the Medfly brouhaha are two examples which made him look bad.

    And in his awful 1992 race for the Dem nomination for prez, he fearlessly carried the MSM's water about Whitewater and HRC's alleged transgressions at her legal firm.  He also fearlessly promoted the wacky idea of a flat tax for all, the dream of most Repubs.

    But, despite this, I have a soft spot for Jerry (and his friendly parents, whom I met once as a youngster) and his interesting cutting-edge ideas, and he's made up for some of his negative conduct of yesteryear with some solid governing lately in lower state positions.  

    Leaning Gavin Newsome for the moment however, in part because of fewer negatives overall than Jerry, the backing by Bill, and my slight preference for a fresh face in Sacto.

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    Please, please, please won't someone, (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:54:46 AM EST
    anyone, post something controverial here ASAP?  Otherwise I have no distraction to keep me from going to yoga class.  HELP!

    Does this count... (none / 0) (#171)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:00:22 AM EST
    the UK's Daily Mail is calling the streets of Cardiff the "streets of no shame"...I don't know, seems like they're having a lot of fun across the pond...maybe the shame is on the paper for being a party-pooper.

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    Could be Temple Bar in Dublin. (none / 0) (#174)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:06:00 AM EST
    I saw a guy beating his head against a plate glass window until the very calm Guardia took him by the arms and backed him away.  

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    Really, really drunk people, especially (none / 0) (#182)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:36:08 AM EST
    young people, out at pub closing time in Dublin.  My usually reliable source says many come from England--cheap flights on Ryanair.  Can't be all that healthy, espec. for liver.

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    Interesting stuff... (none / 0) (#184)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:39:06 AM EST
    funny how temperance goes in & out of style, while drunken revelry never goes outta style.

    I think we should just go with the flow and let the good times roll...there will be casualties, but it still beats the police-state horror of prohibition or excessive regulation.

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    Here's something (none / 0) (#172)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:02:18 AM EST
    Dateline - October 22

    Who's right?

    House Democratic leaders "sounded bullish" after launching "an all-hands-on-deck effort to win support for a 'robust' public insurance option in their health care bill," Roll Call reports.

    Said Caucus Chairman John Larson (D-CT): "We think we have the votes now. We have the votes to pass a robust public option." [Political Wire]

     

    or

    Clyburn professed optimism, but said Democrats hadn't yet achieved a majority for health reform legislation in the House.

    "I think we`re very close. We`re getting there," he said during an appearance on MSNBC Wednesday evening. "We`re not there yet, but we`re getting there. I feel pretty good about this."[The Hill]

    Clyburn's doing the counting, so probably him.  Mostly pushback on the PO today from what I'm reading.  Maybe the media is trying to create a controversy.

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    I just read that too. Encouraging. (none / 0) (#176)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:06:53 AM EST
    That's why (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:11:41 PM EST
    DVR's were invented. :)  I never watch any of my (too many) shows on the night they are actually on.

    I don't anymore either (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:28:16 PM EST
    If I happen to remember and have the time available I'll watch.  But DVRs rule once I got my recording schedules set.  And I don't have to watch commercials if I don't want to.  That has really spoiled me.

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    Dodgers ahead 1 tozip, bottom of the 1st. (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:20:01 PM EST


    Werth (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:32:11 PM EST
    just hit a three-run homer.  Go, Phillies!

    Parent
    Make that 3 to 1, Phillies, still (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:32:41 PM EST
    bottom of 1st.  

    Parent
    But the Dodgers (none / 0) (#11)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:40:04 PM EST
    just hit a home run, top of the second.  Boo!  3-2, Phillies.

    Parent
    If the Phillies beat the Yankees (none / 0) (#35)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:57:40 PM EST
    Philly will ride on that victory for a decade.

    Parent
    And now it's 9-3 Phillies in the 7th (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:02:47 PM EST
    How many other Phila area folks among the regulars here?  Go Phils!

    Parent
    What is the Phillies' mascot? (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:03:12 PM EST
    G?reen.  But what

    Parent
    The Phanatic (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:06:31 PM EST
    Phanatic (none / 0) (#52)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:28:39 PM EST
    not Fanatic.  9-4 into the 9th.  Hello, Yankees!

    Parent
    Just tuning in (none / 0) (#53)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:33:20 PM EST
    That crowd is ALIVE.

    Not quite the Vet, though.

    Parent

    I feel sorry for Joe Torre. (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:37:21 PM EST
    3 Outs away! (none / 0) (#56)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:39:22 PM EST
    BTW, what I want to know (none / 0) (#57)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:40:29 PM EST
    is where I'm going to find a Phillies hat to wear in Manhattan. . ?

    Parent
    Ask TL to give you my direct e-mail (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:43:32 PM EST
    and we'll take care of that for you, AG.  Green or red (we have a couple of extra green ones from an Irish-American Day promo).  Yay, Chad Durbin!

    Parent
    heh, thanks Peter (none / 0) (#59)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:45:24 PM EST
    If I were going to do it, it would have to be red. I'm not sure I'm quite that crazy, though.

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    If you'll wear it, (none / 0) (#63)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:52:09 PM EST
    we'll supply it.  Jeralyn will tell you how to be in touch with me.  If you do, let me know your Philly history.  I was born in Manhattan and grew up in Bergen County, NJ, rooting for the 1950s and '60s Yanks -- the great ones -- so I've traveled the opposite route.  (TL was in the NYC suburbs in those years also, although in Westchester, not in Bergen.)

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    Born and raised in the city of Philadelphia, an (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:59:44 PM EST
    interregnum in Washington, and now New York. But Philly is home.

    I was in single digits in 1993, so I remember the long, dry, season.

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    the last time I went to a Yankees game (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:54:07 PM EST
    I think they had Mickey Mantle, Bobby Richardson, Hector Lopez on third, Whitey Ford and Yogi Berra. I was probably 10 years old.

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    Dude! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:50:19 PM EST
    They just won their first World Series in 25 years... they can't ride on that?  It has to be a specific opponent?  Sheesh, tough town!

    Heck, Detroit still has fond memories of their 1984 title team.  You don't hear us saying, "Hey, it was only the Padres!"

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    There's winning the World Weries, and (none / 0) (#64)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:53:34 PM EST
    there's beating the Yankees. But that's just my 100-miles-away perspective. I basically don't watch baseball UNLESS the Philles are in the World Series.

    And is Philly a tough town? You better believe it!

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    er, *series (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:00:03 PM EST
    Indeed, (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03:11 PM EST
    the "we are the World" series, in truth.

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    A Phillies-Yankees series (none / 0) (#83)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:22:27 AM EST
    What would that be ? The Amtrak Series?

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    I think you could make it the whole way (none / 0) (#84)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:38:51 AM EST
    on public transport (SEPTA and New Jersey Transit), but I wouldn't be much fun. (Ask anyone who's had to change in Trenton. . .)

    Parent
    Penn Station and subway should do it. (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:16:36 AM EST
    Low blow. Who do you predict will (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:07:47 PM EST
    win WS this time?

    Parent
    Cougar Town is hysterical (none / 0) (#5)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:26:18 PM EST
    and Modern Family is also a good laugh.

    Is Cougar Town about what I think it's about? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:31:00 PM EST
    If so I'm going to have to go check that out.  When I was speaking with my daughter the other day she actually thinks at twenty she has dealt with the peak of how unruly her sex drive is ever going to be :)  I whispered to myself that we would find out in about ten or fifteen years.  I am officailly an awful person though.

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    Sort of..... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:37:27 PM EST
    Courtney Cox is absolutely fantastic in the show. Actually, every member of the cast is perfectly suited to their part. You can catch up online @ the ABC website at your leisure....or just watch a bit of it to see if it's appealing.

    Parent
    Great story! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:50:36 PM EST
    What a story (5.00 / 4) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:19:50 AM EST
    Real life is always a heck of a lot more entertaining than reality t.v. in my book.

    Parent
    That's funny (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:03:44 AM EST
    Top chef is new tonight, right? (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:44:53 PM EST


    Yes - Restaurant Wars!!! (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 08:08:57 PM EST
    Extended episode, 75 minutes...

    Interesting note...one of the secretaries in my department's daughter is a freshman at FIT in NY; she is taking a photography course and her latest assignment is to photograph food.  One of her friends is interning with TC and she got Emily invited onto the set to take pictures.

    Am hoping we get to see some of the pics.

    Parent

    on another subject (none / 0) (#14)
    by mikeel on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 07:56:25 PM EST
    While the Dodgers are about to be eliminated, the LA City Council is hellbent on getting rid of marijuana dispenaries:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-medical-marijuana21-2009oct21,0,5479815.story

    What are they afraid of?

    What are they afraid of? (none / 0) (#115)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:16:57 AM EST
    A free market, or more simply, freedom.

    Parent
    Amusing. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Fabian on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 08:09:50 PM EST
    While looking up voice quality on cell phones, I stumbled onto a technical discussion that I half understood.  (My husband could explain it to me.)

    What more than one person stated and no one contradicted was that the voice quality on the iphone stinks!

    I guess the features more than make up for that glaring problem.  High voice quality is achievable, so why didn't they do it?

    Somewhat related.

    I noticed a lot more honking in rush hour traffic than I remember.  The kind of honking that means "The light is green, GO already!".  Is this a new, cell phone/texting phenomena?  Do people now sit at red lights, poised to hit their horns if a driver in front of them doesn't react when the light changes?

    I'm not fond of honking at people, but perhaps this is the new reality.

    It's not the iPhone, it's mostly AT&T (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 08:19:52 PM EST
    They've oversold and underdeveloped their network. You could build a cell phone with theoretically better voice quality than the iphone, but mostly you'll be constrained by your sound environment.

    Also, if you have a cell phone with bluetooth, especially if you've cut the cord,  look into the xlink bluetooh gateway. You can use it to connect a regular phone to you cellphone when you're at home.

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    As late as 1999 they (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:09:12 PM EST
    had the worst fiber plant in the country.

    Parent
    AT&T wireless dropped everything (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:24:54 PM EST
    and went GSM around then when D-AMPS turned out to be a dead end. The problem is that the had to turn around and deploy 3G in parallel to both just several years later (which was delayed by the acquisition of AT&T Wireless by Cingular). Verizon will face a similar challange when it has to deploy LTE.

    But your point about the backend is a good one--AT&T has been very slow to roll out new fiber to its POPs. That's one of the main reasons why web browsing on the iPhone in New York City is an exercise is frustration, even though almost everyone gets a good signal. The other reason is that AT&T doesn't really have enough spectrum to run 3G and GSM in parallel, but they can't afford to swap out all of the existing GSM equipment that consumers have (heck, they're still selling it).

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    Wheb Level 3, Qwest and (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:04:51 PM EST
    Frontier were going 40 gigs over their SONET networks ATT could barely do 2.5....


    Parent
    Does not seem that bad on my iPhone (none / 0) (#159)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:31:05 AM EST
    Probably because I've always had ATT anyway! For a computer with a phone app it is good enough for me.

    Related - my iPhone completely bricked on Sunday. It was just sitting on my end table resting and when I picked it up it was dead as a doornail. When I tried to start it up it hung on the apple logo forever. Ran it down to the Apple store and they could not resuscitate, so they gave me a new one (it was still under warranty).

    Now that will get me mad if it happens again, but I'm glad they took care of it pronto.

    Parent

    Same thing happened to my fully charged, (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:33:23 AM EST
    still under warranty Blackberry.  ATT store gal replaced battery for free and sd. if that didn't do the job, go to a different location for a new Blackberry.  

    Parent
    I was suspecting it might have been battery (none / 0) (#163)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:37:08 AM EST
    related. Seemed like what my laptop did once when the battery was defective. If the iPhones had replaceable batteries, they would not have to replace the whole phone. Maybe if they get enough of these problems they will rethink that design.

    Geek talk on TL! Now I have all my needs met!

    Parent

    Ha. Couldn't be further from geekiness (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:42:40 AM EST
    here re technology.  But did see headline:  internet use is good for brain synapses.  Good thing!  No time for crossword puzzles.

    Parent
    Us old people (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 08:34:53 PM EST
    only watch Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity and listen to The Big Guy.

    Well, that's what you think, right?

    ;-)

    One question. I just got back from a trip via Delta/NW and have decided that America has become grungie. I have never seen so many guys needing a shave wearing dirty jeans and gals with dirty hair and unkempt clothes.

    And that includes First Class.

    Have I missed a trend?

    You have missed a trend (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:36:43 AM EST
    Ironing your clothing in a manner that creates creases is also very uncool.  This has invaded military uniforms too.  I'm so depressed that you don't iron uniforms anymore, in fact they tell us that ironing just damages the fabric so DON'T unless for some reason the garment has become very very wrinkled.  The actual construction is awesome though now, and they retain shape and stay mostly wrinkle free.  You just shake them out now.  I'm in heaven.

    Parent
    Okay (none / 0) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:06:24 AM EST
    but how about bathing and shaving??

    Parent
    The military still makes you do that (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:13:07 AM EST
    unless you are deployed or Delta, then it is game on and nobody can ever actually be too stinky or hairy :)  Unshaven face is the new sexy, but you shave EVERYTHING else.  I don't know about bathing.  Soap and water are very desireable when you are shaving your whole body :)  Were people actually stinky around you?  I was at IKEA over a month ago in Atlanta, and it was over a 100 degrees outside...and man were we all some stinky people.  But I think we all mostly regularly bathed and it was just a very hot day.

    Parent
    The people described (none / 0) (#186)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:48:10 AM EST
    weren't military... and LAX isn't a battlefield.

    Or at least not recently.

    Parent

    I don't know, jim (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:03:01 PM EST
    Were your fellow passengers trapped at an airport or on a runway for hours or even days? Were you on a plane with a group just returning from a stint clean-up/rebuilding volunteers in New Orleans?

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    Nope, no church groups (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:08:08 PM EST
    returning from rebuilding NO, or at least I didn't hear any prayers and cursing the US before boarding... Wait, that was in MN...

    And actually the flight was on time and great service with some nice wine... But that was in FC. Don't know how the Democrats were doing in Coach.

    Parent

    You're right (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:04:08 PM EST
    it wasn't my first trip....

    California looked depressed. Games definitely slack.

    Parent

    I loathe shaving.... (none / 0) (#121)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:28:33 AM EST
    so I rock the stubble often...and the jeans can go weeks without seeing the washing machine.

    I wouldn't call it grungy so much as a new emphasis on comfort...why be all dolled up and uncomfortable?  Unless you're looking for a job or a lover, whats the point?

    I'm surprised you didn't mention pajama pants...lots of people rockin' those on the street lately.

    Parent

    I'll bet you are one of those (none / 0) (#126)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:34:57 AM EST
    people who whine about people who go to the supermarket in jogging clothes.

    am I right?

    Parent

    Well Howdy there... (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:46:15 AM EST
    Nope, you are free to wear what you want with me. The issue is dirt. Unshaven, dirty clothes, dirty hair...

    Or didn't you read my comment??

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    Good one, Mr. Pres.: (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 09:30:42 PM EST
    Men are sometimes obtuse re home and family responsibilies.

    AP

    You were late. (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Fabian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:01:16 AM EST
    We ate without you.  There's cold cereal and milk or PB&J.  Help yourself!
    ;P

    Parent
    If I were Kay or Claire, (none / 0) (#99)
    by itscookin on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:43:37 AM EST
    I would get out my sneakers and show up to the next game of hoops.

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    Co-ed hoops... (none / 0) (#127)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:35:25 AM EST
    can be hard on us fellas being a contact sport...I was in a weekly game for awhile with two female regulars who could really ball, they played in college.  I almost felt guilty playing my usual brand of hard-nosed D, but if I didn't play hard-nosed D these ladies would sh*t all over me and light it up.

    Can you imagine the press if Obama knocked some woman to the ground with a hard foul?  Or if he got sh*t on for 20 points?  Its a damned if you do, damned if ya don't.

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    I'm guessing (none / 0) (#136)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:49:56 AM EST
    the Cabinet and lawmakers are not capable of playing hard-nosed D or probably even sh*tting on each other for 20 points.  

    Nor does anyone to my knowledge keep track of the scoring of these games.  If the President doesn't want to risk getting sh*t on for 20 points, then he shouldn't play.  

    But that's definitely part of the reason men don't open up Boys Club type stuff - what if a woman is better?  Alack alack!

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    Well our game... (none / 0) (#150)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:16:56 AM EST
    took all comers, no one had a problem with the ladies playing...its just kinda weird to overcome the conditioning of "never hit a woman" on the court, when banging is integral part of the game.

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    I hope President Obama knows (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:58:46 AM EST
    that I have done and will continue to do my part in the knocking across the head of momentarily confused men I'm in charge of.  Hmmmm, I wonder if Obama has been tested for that genetic propensity for violence thing :)?

    Parent
    Jason Werth: I got pitch to hit (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 10:51:21 PM EST
    and I hammered it.  

    Sen. Hatch asked Justice Dept. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:02:58 PM EST
    to investigate BCS.  ESPN

    Green chili, yum! (none / 0) (#70)
    by lucky leftie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:23:23 PM EST
    I visited Santa Fe about twelve years ago and I still crave the green chili I had there.  In fact, I bought 2 cases of New Mexico chiles in September, hoping to recreate the experience. I've made one batch of chili so far which was flavorful but extermely hot.  I'll have to find some way of lowering the heat.  

    Go Phils!

    Layer your heat - it adds flavor and nuance (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Ellie on Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 11:58:23 PM EST
    This way you don't just get socked in the face. The heat kind of revs up and delivers a nice punch at the end. Also, when cooking slow dishes like chili, remember that the chiles keep "working" overnight, so it's better to under-season and give it a taste test the next day.

    Temper a too-hot chili with a touch of balsamic or apple cider vinegar and re-balance from there. OR add some more absorbtive ingredients (veggies, beans, animal proteins).

    Layered heat:

    Mild: ginger, ground black or white peppercorns, lemon peel, cilantro root, green peppers

    Mild to Medium: Cubanelle peppers, sweet green Hungarian peppers, banana peppers

    Medium: Jalapeno peppers

    Medium to Hot: Thai green or red bird peppers

    Hot: Scotch Bonnet (Habanero), Szechuan and Cayenne peppers (any color)

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    Check out "Glee" (none / 0) (#91)
    by BobTinKY on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:40:19 AM EST
    like me you may to strive mightiliy to tune into Fox, but it is a funny show and some very talented young singers.

    I tape it (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:49:25 AM EST
    so at least I don't have to watch Fox's advertisers!

    It is also available on Hulu.com

    Parent

    for all the whining about the death (none / 0) (#97)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:39:10 AM EST
    of video journalism you might want to watch this:

    Maddow Calls Out Americans for Prosperity President: `Parasite Who Gets Fat On Americans' Fears'

    MADDOW: And I have to tell you, because we're making this about you and me, is that I personally think that you and the folks who do what you do are a parasite who gets fat on Americans' fears.

    Maddow just gets better and better.  if you are not supporting her by tuning in or at least paying attention its your loss.


    Proved herself not trustworthy (5.00 / 5) (#100)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:52:12 AM EST
    so I'll just have to live with the loss.

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    Moi aussi, Cream. (5.00 / 5) (#151)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:20:36 AM EST
    I stopped listening to Maddow during the primaries, when her anti-Hillary screeds and her over-the-top pro-Obama gushing rendered her opinions generally worthless to me, even though it's what launched her MSNBC career.  Kind of an interesting comment on that network, which probably would not have given her the time of day had she not had full-on, out-of-control CDS.

    Sure, she has her moments, just as Olbermann did when Bush was president, but Olbermann was infected with the same disease, and I haven't watched him since he decided we needed to see it every night in all its florid glory.

    Does how Maddow behaved during the primaries mean that she's wrong when she goes after someone like the Americans for Prosperity guy?  No, but what it means for me is that I just don't care what she thinks.  The constant, giggly, middle-school-level fun she had making double entendres over the "tea-baggers"  - as reported by Bob Somerby - did nothing to make me reconsider her value to the general discourse.

    Besides, it isn't her value to the general discourse that keeps her on the air - it's the entertainment value and the resulting ratings that do that.  And I don't find there to be anything entertaining about her.

    Parent

    got it (2.00 / 1) (#152)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:22:33 AM EST
    she opposed your candidate

    silly me.

    Parent

    She was free to oppose anyone she (5.00 / 6) (#166)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47:03 AM EST
    wanted to, but she chose to do so in a way that had little to do with actual policy, positions and record, and chose to make it all personal and petty and ugly.

    And she chose to ignore, deny and dismiss any criticism about Obama's record, positions or policy.

    If there was some compelling reason I should have listened to her waste air time on useless commentary that had little basis in truth or fact, I'd love to know what it was.  How her constant gushing about Obama served the public escapes me, too.  Or why I should have put up with that crap on the off chance that I would tune in one night to see her being a serious journalist.

    I guess I just don't subscribe to the journalist-for-a-day approach that Rachel and so many others seem to have taken.  That I should leave aside the truly ugly things they reveal about themselves when they are in entertainment mode, and then take them seriously when they decide they want to be serious.

    Parent

    will I break yesterdays record (none / 0) (#188)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59:27 AM EST
    for "2" ratings??

    the day is young.

    Parent

    Let me get this straight (none / 0) (#190)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:04:15 PM EST
    You worry about someone criticizing people wearing jogging clothes to the supermarket but you rate comments??

    Judgmental is as judgmental does, eh?

    ;-)

    Parent

    actually I dont (none / 0) (#191)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:05:54 PM EST
    or do exceedingly rarely.

    need to work on the old reading comprehension

    Parent

    in what way (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:56:10 AM EST
    not trustworthy

    Parent
    Easily coopted (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:35:20 AM EST
    by groupthink.  Not good for a "journalist."

    Parent
    I always enjoy watching a (none / 0) (#120)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:26:28 AM EST
    talking head who is making $500,000 or more criticizing and attacking a politician criticize and attack the other attacker....

    Yep. Nothing like standards. Even double ones.

    Parent

    that made no sense whatsoever (none / 0) (#122)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:30:10 AM EST
    but whatever.

    Parent
    K (none / 0) (#145)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    And here I was (none / 0) (#193)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:11:43 PM EST
    trying to avoid calling them hypocrites...

    Sorry if it was to complex.

    Parent

    I always enjoy watching a talking head (none / 0) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:22:51 AM EST
    who brings a few confirmable facts with them.  Yep, nothing like standards :)

    Parent
    I'm not quite sure how that qualifies (none / 0) (#161)
    by dk on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:35:36 AM EST
    as journalism.  I mean, it's an opinion that I would tend to agree with, but journalism?

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    Yeah, the guy from Americans for (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:53:57 AM EST
    Prosperity may be a parasite, but I don't think name-calling that's idenified as someone's personal opinion qualifies as journalism.

    Glenn Greenwald, Charlie Savage, a lot of what McClatchy publishes, Jane Mayer - that's journalism.  And there are others, thank goodness.

    Rachel Maddow is an entertainer.

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    Oh, I think what RM (none / 0) (#177)
    by brodie on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:16:09 AM EST
    did was largely to elicit some important information about AFP and present to the viewer, along with some edgy opinion about its spokesman.  

    But last I checked, people like Greenwald also express strong opinions regularly in their writings.

    It's just that with Rachel and Keith you also get entertainment along with some solid teevee journalism.

    Well, even the late great Ed Murrow had his frequent moments operating in the entertainment mode ...

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    heh (none / 0) (#103)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:58:12 AM EST
    It's about time Republicans became difficult (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:03:39 AM EST
    to herd!!!!

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    this is even better (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:09:57 AM EST
    and explains a lot:

    Duke study: McCain loss to Obama hit supporters in testes

    Young men who voted for either McCain or Barr suffered immediate drops in their testosterone levels after the election results were announced, while Obama supporters suffered no change. Females also suffered no change, according to the study, which will be published in the journal PLOS One on Wednesday.

    "This is a pretty powerful result," said Duke neuroscientist Kevin LaBar. "Voters are physiologically affected by having their candidate win or lose an election."

    am I the only one who takes great glee in not only causing them to lose elections but erections?


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    but (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:50:07 AM EST
    Females also suffered no change

    sorry

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    That's too cute (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:03:39 AM EST
    It seems to me that the Republican (none / 0) (#117)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:19:16 AM EST
    party has been powered by erections for far too long.  Joshua just cracked me up yesterday when I got him from school.  I have no idea why he was thinking about Nancy Grace.  We don't watch her, and when she comes on I'm always hollering across the house to change the channel or turn that thing off, but Joshua deep in thought yesterday asked me if I remembered that Sarah Palin Totmom show and how annoying she is?  I DO NOT DOG Sarah Palin at home or even much while blogging.  I never have.  The most I've ever said about her I said with my fingers and Josh doesn't read TalkLeft.

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    Wow - Your education dollars at work (none / 0) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:19:58 AM EST
    ... and did they mention man made Global Warming was stopped cold in its track?

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    Explain that to me Jim? (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:42:23 AM EST
    comment #120 (none / 0) (#131)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:57 AM EST
    first
    take a number

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    What does that mean? (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:44:45 AM EST
    you want him to explain (none / 0) (#133)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:45:54 AM EST
    comment #118
    I want him to explain comment #120.  and I got there first.

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    Pretty funny (none / 0) (#134)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:47:23 AM EST
    The "Parent" to comment 118 (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:24:52 AM EST
    is comment 110 - Capt Howdy's link/excerpt on the Duke study.

    Sometimes, it pays to check that kind of stuff out before putting words in someone else's mouth.

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    So you are ready to believe a study (none / 0) (#203)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:33:15 PM EST
    that has a huge data base of...

    Researchers at Duke and Michigan tested the testosterone levels of 183 people when the polls closed and again after the results were announced around 11:30 p.m.

    Oh well, to each his own

    What's next, gonna tell us about the "hockey stick" theory?

    BTW - Obama voters had no increase...... 0 + 0 equals ????

    ;-)

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    Ask and you shall receive (none / 0) (#194)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:14:36 PM EST
    Go back and read my answer re 120.

    I think the study doesn't pass the smell test, same as man made GW doesn't.

    Again, sorry if it was too complex.

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    Oh, that's funny! (none / 0) (#175)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:06:51 AM EST
    Fox promoted this "tea party express" thing energetically, with long segments on its progress across the country on almost every show daily.

    Not a single word, however, about this accusation from the "real" tea party people that it was a GOP astroturf effort.

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    Prediction: the media meme will be (none / 0) (#130)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 09:43:51 AM EST
    Jerry Brown is so red faced and angry. Just like they do with Bill Clinton when he takes them on.

    Polanski update: (none / 0) (#157)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:28:16 AM EST
    LAT

    Roman Polanski might be willing to return to the United States to resolve his sexual assault case if it could be done quickly, one of his attorneys said.

    Georges Kiejman told Europe 1 radio that Polanski, 76, in not in the best health and wants to bring the case to a swift conclusion.

    "Time for emotion has passed, and everyone will understand that it's necessary to bring this affair to conclusion with just and balanced proportions," he said.

    Comment:  they still don't get it.


    Chains and a cage... (none / 0) (#167)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 10:49:43 AM EST
    for coffe-cart talk...it sure don't take much these days...link.  I'd love to know what he said that was so terrible to require the chains to come out.

    Note to self...don't talk to co-workers at the coffee machine about anything other than sports and weather...ya never know how dime-drop happy people can be, and I tend to speak freely:)

    Hoaxes (none / 0) (#179)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:33:52 AM EST
    made me think of a cute Christmas card idea.

    This year, I'm going to Photoshop our pictures onto the Great Wall of China and send them out on Christmas cards.  Next year it will be a beach in Tahiti.  Our families will have fun wondering where we'll take our next "virtual" vacation ;-).

    Of course, somewhere in tiny print, I'll tell people it's all a hoax.  WINK!

    Will you enclose a Christmas letter (none / 0) (#183)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 11:37:06 AM EST
    braggin about your trips?

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    Oh, those letters (none / 0) (#196)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:25:40 PM EST
    are cause for hilarity in our house.  We have a couple of family and friends who write them full of boasts about their lives, their kids . . . while we know from Facebook and cousins' gossip what really has been going on.  But who wants to write a holiday letter about having to go bail?

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    I have even stopped sending (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:28:00 PM EST
    postcards, as it my distinct impression most people do not want to hear about fabulous trips.  Well, unless they are travelers themselves.  Never got into sending Christmas letters--burned by my Mom's addiction to reporting on her kids.

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    Now (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:28:03 PM EST
    THAT would be funny...a hoax Christmas letter where you talk about your drug bust and subsequent trial.

    Absolutely priceless!

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    You seem (none / 0) (#197)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:26:46 PM EST
    to enjoy Christmas letters as much as I do <wink>.

    (Reading some of them, sometimes I don't know if my relatives want a card in return or applause!)

    I started with the notion of sending a bogus Christmas letter, then realized I'm not that good of a liar. Besides, a picture paints a thousand words, doesn't it?

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    HAHAHA.... (none / 0) (#201)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:29:05 PM EST
    "Seasons Greetings to our Friends and Family" by David Sedaris.  It's in Holidays on Ice. A riot.

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    One year I got one purportedly from (none / 0) (#202)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 12:29:29 PM EST
    a relative and his then wife.  Distinct change in tone.  Turns out relative wrote it.  Not usually inclined to "share," so quite surprising.

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