Overnight Open Thread: Season of the Witch


John McCain may want to think twice before running new ads about Rev. Wright. His campaign said this week Wright could come up during the last 43 days of the election. Undoubtedly, the Obama campaign will ignore them and refuse to fight back with the Palin preacher videos, saying saying it's all about the economy, but the media won't and voters will see them. [More...]

The Republican base and radical right won't care, but Independents and moderates who haven't yet made up their mind may well find witchcraft and preachers who speak in tongues just a tad too bizarre.

Max Blumenthal writes:

On September 20 and 21, I attended services at the church Sarah Palin belonged to since she was an adolescent, the Wasilla Assembly of God. Though Palin officially left the church in 2002, she is listed on its website as “a friend,” and spoke there as recently as June 8 of this year.

The You Tube video is here (Palin appears about 7:30 in.)

The pastor, as Max notes, is visiting Kenyan pentacostal preacher Thomas Muthee:

Muthee’s mounting stardom took him to Wasilla Assembly of God in May, 2005, where he prayed over Palin and called upon Jesus to propel her into the governor’s mansion — and beyond. Muthee also implored Jesus to protect Palin from "the spirit of witchcraft." The video archive of that startling sermon was scrubbed from Wasilla Assembly of God’s website, but now it has reappeared.

At 1:20 into the video, as Kagro X notes, Muthee says:

The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It's high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. That's what we are waiting for. That's part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the -- you know -- if you look at the Israelites, that's how they work. And that's how they are, even today.

Related: My Sept. 1 post about Palin's pastors based on this Harper's Magazine article.

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    since no one else has done it (none / 0) (#1)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 04:10:11 AM EST
    i will be the first.  Paulson's 32 words remind me of Alexander Haigs 3.

    Mockery of Palin's religion beliefs is (none / 0) (#2)
    by ding7777 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:25:07 AM EST
    childish and insulting, unless you also mock the Catholic church which appoints Exorcists (i.e, witch fighters).

    Holy over simplification (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by byteb on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:07:59 AM EST
    of Catholic doctrine on exorcism.

    Funny You Mention Exorcism (none / 0) (#13)
    by daring grace on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:36:17 AM EST
    Since another one of McCain's VP picks, Governor Jindal was involved in one once.

    Well (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:37:53 AM EST
    the witchcraft stuff is out there but Catholics and Episcopalians can perform exorcisms. The second paragraph is really nothing. We all can agree that business certainly does need people of integrity.

    Rev. Wright is way worse than any of this stuff.

    Wright.... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:53:51 AM EST
    is a scholar compared to these loons, I'm sorry.

    Not sure about better or worse. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Fabian on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:43:30 AM EST
    But you should look into Dominion theology.

    I can't say if the preacher is pushing any flavor of Dominion theology or not.  The most extreme versions of Dominion theology make Rev Wright seem almost benign.


    Well (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 06:51:04 AM EST
    if he was actually pushing Dominion theory that would be one thing. However, I'm not sure that he is here. It sounds like boilerplate pentecostal stuff. Again, why are we focusing on a VP's religion? Obama vs. Palin is a loser strategy.

    Why (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:55:05 PM EST
    because we cant trust people to have the minimal intelligence required to examine at close range what Palin actually thinks (you know, like the way you only do with Obama)?

    One of the major things (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by tootired on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:54:55 AM EST
    that keeps me from enthusiastically supporting Obama is the way that he keeps bringing his faith into his plans for governing. I did not expect that a Democrat would expand faith-based initiatives, talk about abortion rights in the context of finding secular reasons to support religious beliefs, set off on a faith and values tour, and send out campaign literature with a picture of himself standing behind a pulpit. So far, Palin has done none of that or anything close. I am "tepidly" supporting Obama, and attacking Palin's religious beliefs reminds me that I don't much like Obama's either. Dominion theory? Black Liberation Theology? How about separation of church and state? You don't want me and others like me to start thinking about who respects the separation more. We may not come to the conclusion you hope we will. Let it rest.

    Of course he is (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 01:50:11 PM EST
    he can be directly connected to Obama.

    Unlike those snakehandlers in your neck of the woods (praise Jesus!)


    Bailout (none / 0) (#6)
    by Munibond on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:05:08 AM EST
    As described by Bush, the purpose of the bailout is to "unclog" the flow of loan money, so we the consumer can get back in the business of borrowing to purchase cars and homes and other stuff and to pay for our children's tuition.  This sounds similar to the recent effort to stimulate the economy by giving us a little pocket money to spend.  I would very much prefer a stimulus package to a bailout, and particularly one that directs the economy away from reliance on consumer spending and debt.  Why not take $1 trillion and invest it in infrastructure development and alternative energy and conservation initiatives, which would stimulate the economy by creating jobs and income and by increasing orders for manufactured goods?  And if consumer spending must be stimulated, why not pump $1 trillion into universal health care or college tuition subsidies?  That would certainly free up some pocket change for me.

    Ga6thDem beat me to it, but isn't it clear... (none / 0) (#7)
    by barryluda on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:10:32 AM EST
    that Obama vs. Palin is a loser strategy?

    J is right when she says:

    Undoubtedly, the Obama campaign will ignore them and refuse to fight back with the Palin preacher videos, saying saying it's all about the economy, but the media won't and voters will see them.

    I guess I have to keep reminding myself that TL is the media, not Obama, so I suppose it's helpful for J to post things like this.  But I can't help thinking that if there are any undecideds who are reading J, BTD and TChris that they would be more likely to end up with Obama if TL stayed focused on the issues and let other media take up these types of things.

    I cannot parse that (none / 0) (#8)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 07:18:50 AM EST
    is it supposed to be anti-semitic?

    I'm going to wait for Abe Foxman to weigh in.

    It's hard to take anything seriously (none / 0) (#11)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:40:16 AM EST
    Even though Palin knew that Stein is a Protestant Christian, from a Pennsylvania Dutch background, her campaign began circulating the word that she would be "Wasilla's first Christian mayor." Some of Stein's supporters interpreted this as an attempt to portray Stein as Jewish in the heavily evangelical community.

    So, what's the implication in this?

    Associated Press: Palin Once Blessed to Be Free From Withcraft
    Max Blumenthal: The Witch Fighter Annoints Palin
    KagroX at Daily Kos: Preacher Problem