Thursday Night TV and Open Thread

I'm deciding between watching the last hour of Play It As It Lays, the movie with Tuesday Weld and Anthony Perkins made from the Joan Didion novel which was my favorite book for all of the '70's and '80's (I can still recite most of the dialogue by heart) and the first hour of the new Survivor, while I wait for the two hour season premiere of Gray's Anatomy to start.

Survivor is in Gabon in Africa, and in HD for the first time.

I've had enough of the economy and Sarah Palin for the day. What are you watching or doing?

Update: Gray's Anatomy was terrible, everybody died and the melodrama was over the top and boring.

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    Fresh off the interwebs... (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:18:45 PM EST
    this e-mail from Obama's National Field Director:

    "Barack is moving ahead with plans for Friday's debate.

    The election is less than 40 days away, and the American people deserve to hear directly from the candidates about how they intend to lead our country.

    You're invited to join a Debate Watch Party in your community and discuss the issues that are most important to you and your family, friends, and neighbors..."

    Oh--and I'm waiting for the premier of "The Office" to come on.

    The economy will (2.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:27:39 PM EST
    directly effect foreign policy...so why not try and be part of the solution?

    Obama's ambition can wait a few days... besides he needs the extra study time...


    Hey Jimmy! (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:36:17 PM EST
    Is it pretty quiet over at that "blog" of yours?  

    I've noticed you've been spending more time with us of late.  Good for you!  Can't be easy these days.  


    LINK: HuffPo article by Thomas B. Edsall; Obama Says Bailout Bill Should Not Include Bankruptcy Reform.

    The progressive wing of the House Democratic caucus reacted angrily Thursday evening to the news that Barack Obama opposes attempts to add bankruptcy reform to the Wall Street bailout bill.

    A large block of Democrats is seeking to add a provision to the $700 billion measure that would empower bankruptcy judges to help homeowners avoid foreclosure...Most congressional Democrats learned of Obama's opposition to the addition of the bankruptcy provisions at a closed meeting Thursday evening, after the White House meeting...However, Obama had publicly disclosed his opposition...at a Wednesday press briefing in Clearwater, Fla., before he left for Washington...

    Thursday night...Nancy Pelosi, told [the Democratic Caucus] that Obama is "our messenger," suggesting that he should call the shots

    I don't get it. Why would Obama oppose this populist initiative from the Democratic Party? Is he doing all that well with cash-strapped voters who are undergoing foreclosure?

    I mean really, who would he piss-off if he supported bankruptcy reform? He'll only piss-off establishment Republicans and Wall Street, none of whom are voting for him anyway. He could support this legislation and call the GOP's bluff.

    Let the GOP face the consequences of spitting in the face of the folks on Main Street. That's what the GOP does best: it's their job and Obama shouldn't be applying for it.


    I think Nanc is losing it (none / 0) (#53)
    by nycstray on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:53:04 AM EST
    Thursday night...Nancy Pelosi, told [the Democratic Caucus] that Obama is "our messenger," suggesting that he should call the shots

    would that still be as in a gift from G-d?

    Obama's thoughts aren't surprising to me on this. Rather expected. Don't forget who his advisers are. Not the cream of populist thought  ;)


    Lots (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:18:39 AM EST
    of Obama's campaign money comes from Wall Street so that might be one reason.

    I'd vote for Tuesday Weld. (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by EL seattle on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:20:30 PM EST
    ...but that's just me.

    Well, it's been a bad week . Good friends of (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Angel on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:44:56 PM EST
    ours in the Houston area still have no power from Hurricane Ike; they had 4 feet of water in their home; they lost their retirement home in Galveston; and their one year old grandson was diagnosed with leukemia the weekend the hurricane hit.  Please keep them in your thoughts and prayers.  Thanks.  

    I know people are in a state of shock... (none / 0) (#22)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:00:07 PM EST
    but have there been any kind of vocal public protests about the abysmal state of affairs and the slowness of the recovery?

    Is there a sense of outrage and, if so, where is it being directed? Toward federal officials (FEMA), state and/or local officials, etc?


    I don't think so because the people who got (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Angel on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:06:38 PM EST
    hit the hardest (other than Galveston) are in some of the smaller communities.  Read the Houston Chronicle and it's all about Houston and Galveston.  You read nothing about the other towns.  25% of the people served by the big electric company down that way are still without power.  It is really sad and pathetic.  And pretty much all you read and hear about is that the people of Galveston have been allowd to take a look at their property but then have to leave again.  I don't know what is going on down that way but it isn't pretty.  I have a friend who works in downtown Houston and she said it has never been so clean.  So Houston got off easy, got a lot of publicity and now everyone else in the country thinks everything is a-ok.  It isn't.  

    I'm actually amazed Galveston (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:40:54 AM EST
    did as well as it did.

    Galveston is the on same barrier island that got nearly wiped clean in 1900 by a single hurricane.  A seawall, some added elevation and better buildings don't change the risks and dangers that much.  It's still extremely exposed to surge and winds.

    For the worst case scenario, Gilchrist TX is good example.  

    (An interesting link talking about the hurricane defenses in Gilchrist - dated post Humberto, 2007.  I'd love for the authors to comment on the article now, post Gustav.)


    The hurricane turned eastward at the last (none / 0) (#65)
    by Angel on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 08:41:51 AM EST
    minute, that spared Galveston.  However, the part that got hit where our friends had their place was decimated.  I'm not sure how long it will take for Galveston to recover, or even it if will.  The shrimping industry is over for a couple of years at the very least.  That livlihood is huge for many people down there.  Tourism is kaput.  The real estate market is shot to hell.  I can't think of anything right now that is not in dire straits.  I have a friend who was supposed to get married there in November, she'll have to find somewhere else.  The list of things goes on and on.....  I grew up down that way and know so many people who have been affected.  Just please do whatever you can to help these people out through donations or just your thoughts and prayers.  I'd appreciate it and I know they will too.  

    I've got thoughts and prayers. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:29:05 AM EST
    But the money is tight.  They'd outsource my husband's job if they could.  (I now know the relative ranking of his overseas coworkers.  He has more coworkers overseas now than state side.)

    Thoughts and prayers work better than money (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Angel on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:37:49 AM EST
    sometimes.  I think this may be one of those times.  Good luck to you and your husband.

    I was thinking that (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:34:34 PM EST
    since we're spending 200 million a day on the war in Iraq, if we shut the thing down for a month or so we'd have our 700 billion and we could all go home.

    Like your thinking (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:18:47 PM EST
    I believe it's 140 days but a mathematician isn't what we need right now (too far in the hole for that to matter). We need someone thinking like you to take the place of John McCain at the table. Grab JetBlue to DC (fly coach we need the money) and send him to Mississippi. We will all be better off.

    Support your local math teachers! (none / 0) (#59)
    by robrecht on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:00:58 AM EST
    Actually, a mathematician might be needed around here.  $200 million per day won't get you $700 billion for about 10 years.

    Oops (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:08:42 AM EST
    How do you figure it? (none / 0) (#61)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:17:04 AM EST
    "In the 'short scale' a billion is 1000 million. The short scale is the system officially used in the USA" (According to Wiki Answers)

    200 million a day X 5 = 1000 million = One billion

    200 million x 35 = 7 billion

    So I get 35 days of the cost of the Iraq war equaling the figure they say we need to solve the current crisis.

    How do you come up with 10 years?

    I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you figure it?


    $700 Billion, not $7 Billion (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by robrecht on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:01:31 AM EST
    Oh, God. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:51:08 AM EST

    Back to school.


    Hey.... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:00:39 AM EST
    whats a few more zeros at the end, it is all on the arm anyways.

    I think the plan is that anyone over 40 will be dead by the time the bill comes due...so who cares?  

    Oh yeah, what about the the children?


    There should be 2 side-by-side headlines tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by steviez314 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:37:19 PM EST
    House Republicans stall bailout plan.

    Washington Mutual seized by Federal Regulators.

    (I know they're not cause and effect, but I like the juxtaposition)

    Why do you say that (none / 0) (#32)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:03:19 PM EST
    about WaMu?

    check the latest news. (none / 0) (#35)
    by coigue on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:16:46 PM EST
    WaMu was seized, but deposits are safe (none / 0) (#36)
    by steviez314 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:16:50 PM EST
    My favorite television moment of the night - (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by liminal on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:58:51 PM EST
    was NOT the JAM proposal.  It was, instead, when some CNBC host started complaining about the push to limit the compensation packages for high-ranking executives of companies that receive some infusion of tax dollars via the bailout.  "What is this, France?!" said the guy, who uhm, wants our money, or whatever, to GO to those CEOs.  Shortly thereafter, my cat randomly attacked said CNBC host's head.  

    Well, it wasn't random.  A friend pointed a laser pointer at the screen & the cats love them some laser pointer, but you get the picture.  

    Also, stupidly, we watched ER.  Which was stupid.  It's like eating a Twinkie - better in theory than in practice. Like, sometimes you think, "Hey, a Twinkie would taste good," and mostly you remember that that is never the case, but sometimes sensibility overcomes sense, and you eat your Twinkie, and remember that a Twinkie actually never tastes good.  That's what watching ER was like.  Also, they killed the only remaining character I kinda liked & the red-haired doctor guy wears too much eyeliner.  

    It's always sunny in Philly (none / 0) (#42)
    by of1000Kings on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:10:04 PM EST
    is friggen hilarious...

    that was the show to watch tonight..

    and cats do love them some laser pointer...can't get enough of that stuff...


    Bottom of the 7th, Padres (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:32:35 PM EST
    lead the Dodgers by a run.  Meaningless game, but, hey, its the Dodgers.  Beat LA.  

    If I had a TV. . . (none / 0) (#1)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:15:45 PM EST
    I'd be tuning into this:

    Letterman keeps up assault on McCain

    As it is, maybe you can put video up here?

    thanks, I'll watch it live (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:17:02 PM EST
    when it airs here at 11pm.

    In the event that this hasn't yet been posted at TL, WaPo has a column by JK GALBRAITH: "A Bailout We Don't Need".

    Now that all five big investment banks -- Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley -- have disappeared or morphed into regular banks, a question arises.
    Is this bailout still necessary?

    This supports my suspicion that Paulson totally, and deliberately, overstated the crisis as well as his case for a humongous, wholly unfettered, bailout. He essentially generated a 9/11 sense of urgency with the intent of strong-arming Congress into a soon-to-be called "compromise solution"; that will still yield obscene profits for a financial industry that no longer needs rescue.

    In other words, Paulson, slyly, demanded that we must give Wall Street tycoons the sun and the moon and the stars. That way, we are more likely to feel we got off easy when Congress only hands over the sun and the moon.  

    Of course, Main Street is still very much in need of an FDR style HOLC solution to the foreclosure crisis.


    Tomorrow's market (none / 0) (#5)
    by robrecht on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST
    WaMu may be seized with its assets, deposits, and branch offices sold off to JP Morgan.  With no congressional deal in sight, it could be bloody.

    The Times is reporting this. . . (none / 0) (#6)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:24:14 PM EST
    as a done deal.  Front page.

    I heard it on CNBC a couple of hours ago (none / 0) (#7)
    by robrecht on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:27:20 PM EST
    I think they broke the story.  Bank failures.  Wake up, people.

    This is the largest. . . (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:29:57 PM EST
    bank seizure ever, according to the Times.  The deal was negotiated by the government without the participation or knowledge of the Board of WaMu.

    If it had been allowed to fail it would apparently have wiped out half the remaining assets of the FDIC.


    Eek... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by WS on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:31:40 PM EST
    McCain's gonna get on board (none / 0) (#12)
    by robrecht on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:32:59 PM EST
    or he'll be run out of town on a rail.

    I agree (none / 0) (#19)
    by coigue on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:55:16 PM EST
    more bad economic the day after his obstructionism...not gonna be good for McCain, even if it was going to happen anyway.

    He'll have to suspend his suspension (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by byteb on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    a la Colbert.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Steve M on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:34:18 PM EST
    Bold move.

    FDIC can do that (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:44:04 PM EST
    and will, if it would unduly spook the markets to let the failing institution's board in on it.

    Word of a deal like that would filter out the minute the FDIC people showed up at the boardroom, and only make the panic worse.

    So, to that end, the FDIC likes to show up at closing time.  They'll work all night to get a handle on things and have the institution ready to go in the morning.

    But the possibility of instant takeover is the price the bank pays for having FDIC insurance.

    Also, if there was wrongdoing going on, and I'm not saying there was, telling the target entity's board about "we're coming to take you over" could spook the wrongdoers.  Which might make things worse.


    Story is that Wachovia isn't far behind (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:39:29 PM EST
    But I hope that doesn't happen. . .

    Well, I'll be watching (none / 0) (#9)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:30:52 PM EST
    Ugly Betty at 8:00. Campy, colorful comedy is what my entertainment doctor ordered.

    Where's Mr. Smith (none / 0) (#11)
    by Roschelle on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:32:31 PM EST
    Maybe 'Mr. Smith' should have gone to Washington instead of John McCain!

    Baseball. (none / 0) (#14)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:37:51 PM EST
    That, and flipping between the old movie channel and IFC and Sundance.

    When I'm not playing with the dog.  She's sleeping on my feet now.

    Pretty Poison (none / 0) (#20)
    by Rashomon66 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 08:55:17 PM EST
    You should see Pretty Poison with the same two actors. It's sort of cult favorite that was hard to find before it came out on DVD. I enjoyed it when I saw it last year.

    Great movie (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:26:52 PM EST
    I've seen it many times. They were so young in it.  Sue Ann, right?

    Yes, Sue Ann (none / 0) (#31)
    by Rashomon66 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:56:32 PM EST
    There is a good write-up on it in 'Cult Movies' by Danny Peary.

    They really believe their ideology (none / 0) (#30)
    by coigue on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM EST
    therefore, we may have some converts in a few months.

    The top story on my local news - (none / 0) (#33)
    by liminal on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:14:33 PM EST
    - was about Biden's remark that Obama doesn't support "clean coal."  An extended story followed. The Obama campaign responded that of course they love clean coal, and promised a billion or two in support of research into clean coal.  I don't know if the story was picked up in Pennsylvania's coal belt, but one hopes not.  

    I wrote up the coal issue problem Biden's remarks (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:17:53 PM EST
    Very interesting. Thx. (none / 0) (#40)
    by liminal on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:46:03 PM EST
    It doesn't matter here in WV, since I can't imagine Obama winning here.  (Heh.  Our local Democratic headquarters has a Hillary sign in the window, next to all the Obama stuff, which - er, she's not running for anything anywhere, and certainly not here...)  But if western PA is anything like WV, what Democratic votes there are in the rural counties come from UMWA and other unions in coal-associated trades.

    Heh.  And the "Friends of Coal" bowl is this weekend.  Go Herd!

    The local news also reported that Gore was overheard advising people to engage in civil disobedience to stop the construction of new coal plants. Which, well, ugh for our team.  


    Paul Begala just called Bush (none / 0) (#34)
    by coigue on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:15:57 PM EST
    a "high functioning moron" on CNN.

    Ed Rollins did not flinch. He had just expressed disgust for McCain.

    Rollins said the other day (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 10:18:53 PM EST
    that if people are still talking about Sarah Palin in a few weeks, McCain will lose.

    yeah (none / 0) (#72)
    by coigue on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 10:45:24 AM EST
    he does NOT like her. He can barely contain his distain for McCain for his choice.

    Three minutes left for USC to go 98 (none / 0) (#43)
    by Teresa on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:15:03 PM EST
    yards to avoid an upset at 1-2 Oregon St. Ooops, intercepted pass. Down goes number 1?

    I guess Penn State (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Makarov on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:44:13 PM EST
    should be #1 now, right?

    Also, McCain just announced he is suspending his campaign to work on the problem with the BCS ranking system.


    And the Beavers (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:04:52 AM EST

    What I haven't heard (none / 0) (#45)
    by RedJet on Thu Sep 25, 2008 at 11:44:13 PM EST
    and maybe I missed it, is someone in the media (I say in between gasps of hysterical laughter) bring up that McCain is unwilling to debate in what was to be international issues (read Iraq) while the financial mess is going on - which solidifies this "can't walk and chew gum" theory because...aren't we still at war? Isn't that also important?

    A soldier died yesterday-on the same day McCain decided that soldier didn't matter anymore and just walked away. McCain decided that soldier and all those that died before just aren't political capital at the moment, they carry no currency with him. Forgotten until convenient.

    A soldier died today, his name is not yet released pending notification of family...a family who is not going to get to hear why their son had to die or why this war should continue, at least not from McCain, because he can't concentrate on two things at once.

    Shouldn't someone point this out?

    McCain disgusts me more than I can say.

    Re Gray's Anatomy (none / 0) (#48)
    by andrys on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 12:44:59 AM EST
    Gray's Anatomy was terrible, everybody died and the melodrama was over the top and boring.

    That's too much like the atmosphere in the Washington meetings over this debacle!

      What the rest of us were doing?  I left for the whole day and didn't think at all about the economy or politics.

      And now that I'm home and have read so much of the horrible news, I'm amazed that I was able to use my Washington Mutual debit card late tonight before I got home.  

    Grey's Anatomy (none / 0) (#50)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:07:44 AM EST
    had two great first seasons, it hasn't been able to produce decent writing since.

    Maybe McCain should fly to Hollywood. . . (none / 0) (#57)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 06:11:24 AM EST
    and suspend his campaign until he can supervise the production of a few good scripts!

    Actually , Jeralyn's ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 06:34:57 AM EST
    description made it sound better than any ep I'd ever watched.



    WaMU uninterrupted (none / 0) (#73)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 11:07:20 AM EST
    If this continues to happen to large bank after large bank, you'll be glad you were with WaMU.

    No impact what-so-ever on the customers.


    Kmiec is Krazy (none / 0) (#52)
    by Cream City on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 01:57:05 AM EST
    and what I'm doing is shaking my head in amazement at this blast from the recent past of this guy.  He has just got to get out of the spotlight in the Dem campaign.  Get him off the "faith bus" and toss him under it, but fast.

    What has weakened our economy?  Same-sex marriage, he says.  Population decline of "natural children."  (Now I'm wondering just what are unnatural children.  Other than mine at certain moments testing my maternalism, of course.)

    If only there were more natural, hetero-generated mouths to feed in this world, all would be well!  I wonder if Barney Frank saw this this op ed by Kmiec:

    [I]nventing gay and lesbian marriage . . . overlooks the national and global decline in fertility, which threatens the economies of Europe and contributes to the weakness of our own. To say, as its advocates do, that the availability of same-sex marriage is not the principal cause of this decline in terms of absolute numbers is a fair point, but giving state approval to non-procreative marriage cannot be denied as a contributing cause to the decline of families with natural children.  

    Typical fundamentalist (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 05:29:39 AM EST
    boilerplate garbage. I can't understand why any campaign would want to be associated with a movement in decline like this one.

    So, that begs the question . . . (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 02:56:49 AM EST
    Is Clay Akins' child natural? What about same sex couples that adopt, do their babies become unnatural?

    Ok, the rain has subsided and I can now walk the dog!


    Oh, that certain ethnic tripe (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Fabian on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 07:18:53 AM EST

    Any time people start going on about "dropping fertility rates", they are usually implying dropping  fertility rates among whites.  After all, there's certainly no shortage of humans on the planet!  

    So they imply there's a looming shortage of the right kind of people.


    Ned Lamont says of Greenwich, CT (none / 0) (#67)
    by dutchfox on Fri Sep 26, 2008 at 09:27:32 AM EST
    From the WSJ "Wealth Report"

    "This is our Katrina"

    The unsuccessful millionaire US Senate Democratic candidate  (against Lieberman in 2006) wasn't being ironic, either.