Palin in Florida

Gov. Sarah Palin drew huge crowds near Orlando, FL today. But consider:

She went to perhaps the easiest place in Florida to get a large Republican turnout, stuck mostly to the themes she's hit since the Republican convention and took no questions from reporters or the crowd.

...But Biden made four stops in his two days, and ventured into Republican strongholds like Fort Myers and Sarasota. He took questions from the audience at each stop and did interviews with local media.

She can rally the base, but the question as I like to frame it is, are there more of them or more of us? Turnout will be key.

Update: The LA Times reports Palin's political capital is eroding in Alaska.

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    More of them or more of us? (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by glanton on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:28:05 PM EST
    Hopefully you are right and this is what it will come down to.  Although.  I am not so sure there are more of us, not at all.  If McCain wins it will be three elections in a row for these people.

    It may be that at some point we have to accept, what we are getting is what most Americans want.  Isn't that first and foremost what a hypothetical McCain victory says?  

    And noone is more aware than you, there are numerous things working against Obama that have nothing to do with political ideology.  

    There is cause to retain hope that the nation will do the right thing.  But there is great cause to expect that we won't.

    Is Obama starting to take questions from (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by g8grl on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
    reporters now?  I know he wasn't for awhile.  Is he now?

    g8grl- thank you (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kenosharick on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 10:53:19 AM EST
    I get a little sick of the hypocrisy in slamming palin for things that Obama gets a pass on.

    He has done interviews (3.50 / 2) (#8)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:50:07 PM EST
    Interviews is not the same as taking questons (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by stefystef on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 06:10:04 AM EST
    Interviews are controlled situations.

    Taking random questions, where there is not clearance of the questions and the candidate doesn't know what is going to be asked.

    And the only time I saw a reporter ask Obama a question, Obama says something like "Hold on, sweetie" and walks away...

    So much for open to the press...


    He did a press conference (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:17:31 PM EST
    last week

    What is on display is "they doth protest (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:23:02 PM EST
    too much".  If Palin is supposedly some sort of big nothing, then why all the worry?

    I never said she's nothing (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:30:10 PM EST
    I've said the prospect of such an unqualified and unprepared VP is scary and speaks volumes about McCain's lack of judgment and disregard for what's good for the country (as opposed to good for improving his chances of winning)

    OMG (none / 0) (#28)
    by Bluesage on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 02:16:43 PM EST
    Your hypocrisy and circle jerk thinking here is just astonishing.  You are adamantly supporting a presidential candidate and his VP who are even more unqualified and unprepared for the office they seek than Palin.  Neither of them have any executive experience and Biden is so bought by business that it's ridiculous and Obama, Mr. Present, has no strong convictions on any issue and No. 2 in Fannie & Freddie contributions.  He's never managed a budget and never run anything in his pathetically short and uninspiring career.  I don't support McCain/Palin but you are being very dishonest in your comments and on this blog.  Obama supporters all need someone to take away their kool-aid and be de-programmed.  Ban Away!

    She is a danger (2.60 / 5) (#9)
    by MKS on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:52:07 PM EST
    because she is a vacuous, radical right winger who knows how to parrot whatever her handlers tell her....

    You are 100% correct! (2.67 / 3) (#19)
    by independent voter on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 06:50:17 AM EST
    Apparently, some here do not want to see her for what she is, they are so invested in an Obama loss to vindicate themselves.

    I am resolved to expend no more (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:05:23 AM EST
    emotional energy on Gov. Palin.  

    I'll put in double energy (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:19:01 AM EST
    for both of us.

    Ha. Tell me something (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:26:06 AM EST
    I didn't know!

    Palin's Refusal To Cooperate With Investigation (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by john horse on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:54:07 AM EST
    of Troopergate is like an anchor that will continue to bring down her popularity.

    Usually, candidates who are under investigation don't run.  And candidates who are under investigation but are refusing to cooperate with the investigation don't win.

    The trouble with someone who keeps changing her story, like Palin, is that you start tripping over your own lies.  For example, Palin now says that Monegan was fired for being insubordinate.  If he was, why did she offer to appoint him to another position after he was fired?  Would you appoint anyone who was insubordinate to any position?  Doesn't wash.

    People say that Monegan, as an appointee, only served at the pleasure of Governor Palin.  She could therefore, fire him for any reason at all.  That is not true.  You can't fire someone for refusing to do something illegal and if Palin requested that Monegan violate employment laws, she would be asking Monegan to do something illegal.

    This race will be mainly decided by the Presidential candidates, McCain and Obama.  But Palin is rapidly turning from an asset to a liability to McCain.  

    In Florida, probably more of them, (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:30:12 PM EST
    though just barely.

    She Can Rally The Base (none / 0) (#4)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 10:33:43 PM EST
    But she still needs voters like me to cross over and vote for her. My cousin in Florida told me this week that while she is fearful of Obama (yes, because he's black), she is more frightened of Palin.

    Sarah Palin drawing crowds, well we know (none / 0) (#6)
    by thereyougo on Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 11:27:57 PM EST
    those are screened and no nasty dissenters!

    When she talks its like a nail scratching the blackboard.

    I can't get over how mediocrity is taking over America.High standards is so out of vogue.

    She compliments John McCains blunder after gaffe after incompetent answer for solutions to problems that Bush is leaving behind. Just pass the buck along let the taxpayers shoulder the stupid mistakes made by the Republicans.

    I am so disheartened by this government.

    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Wile ECoyote on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 06:08:35 AM EST
    if someone spoke of Hillarys laugh again, it would get this kid of reaction?

    When she talks its like a nail scratching the blackboard.

    Don't be .. (3.25 / 4) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 12:15:00 AM EST
    disheartened with government. Be disheartened with the people that would vote for incompetence. To be a well educated thoughtful leader today is seen as  elitist. There is a large segment of the population that would still prefer to drink beer and eat mooseburgers with their candidate of choice, rather than to have someone that works out thoughtful solutions to the nation's problems.

    Bush will soon be gone but the populace that chose him is still alive and kicking. Hopefully some have learned a lesson from eight years of GOP incompetence, and don't allow themselves to be sucked into four more years of the same.


    Huge difference (none / 0) (#24)
    by nell on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:02:44 PM EST
    Huge difference between being well-educated, being competent, and being an elitist. Your post suggests that George Bush was incompetent because he was not well educated, in fact, he had access to an excellent education, Yale and then Harvard. That wasn't his problem. His problem was horrible ideas and supreme arrogance.

    Bill Clinton was similarly well-educated, Georgetown and Yale, but NEVER came across as an elitist because he understood that his education did not make him any better than a factory worker in the rust belt. He had just been given an opportunity to make their lives better - he made that clear to voters, and they responded well.

    Obama comes across as an elitist to many NOT because of his Harvard law degree, but because of comments he has made and an attitude he has given off. I am an ivy league graduate, and I was offended by his comments about small-town folks being bitter, anti-immigrant, and clinging to guns and god. I grew up in a small town, and I was lucky to get out and see the whole wide world, but the people back home are good people and do not hate immigrants, etc. THAT was an elitist comment, and that is where the sentiment comes from.


    One comment does not (none / 0) (#27)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:28:16 PM EST
    an entire policy make.....How long will some ride that one comment....

    As to Obama's attitude, there is certainly more commentary about his arrogance than McCain's.....


    from a frustrated friend living in Turkey
    I'm in Istanbul, wondering what I can do for my country so far away, and I have found just the thing, thanks to a friend of mine in New York who suggested it as a joke but which I think is perfect to follow up on.

    Rather than forwarding emails about how dreadful a candidate Sarah Palin is, make a donation to Planned  Parenthood in her  name.

    The best part: when you make a donation to PP in  her name, they'll send her a card telling her that the donation has been  made in her honor. Here's the link to the

    Planned Parenthood website:


    You'll  need to fill in the address to let PP know where to  send the card saying  "in Sarah Palin's honor". I suggest you use the address for the McCain campaign headquarters, which is:

    McCain  for President
    1235 S. Clark  Street
    1st  Floor
    Arlington , VA 22202


    PS: Make sure you  use that link above or choose the pulldown of Donate--Honorary  or Memorial Donations, not the regular  "Donate Online"

    Palin's "erosion" won't matter. (none / 0) (#15)
    by stefystef on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:47:27 AM EST
    The LA Times reports Palin's political capital is eroding in Alaska.

    That might have been good news for Obama, except Obama packed up his offices in Alaska.  It would have been nice if he could keep one office open.

    Regardless of Palin's alleged "erosion" in Alaska, it is unlikely the state will go to Obama.

    Not Quite True (none / 0) (#23)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 11:21:47 AM EST
    Obama has at least one office still operating--in Wasilla, as of last Friday according to a piece on the New Republic election site--The Stump:

    "The brunt of this enthusiasm fell on the local Obama organizer, a tall twenty-something in a sock hat named Ryan Kopiasz. Kopiasz couldn't complete two sentences without being interrupted with a question--often as trivial as where to find the local Obama office, or when the next batch of signs and stickers (and fleeces!) would arrive..."


    Here's the problem. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jake Left on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 08:28:20 AM EST
    Salon article on palin appeal in small towns. This is the kind of quote that scares me.

    --Palin's small-town credentials appeal to Norla, although she has questions about Palin's experience. "But what the heck? A lot of people didn't have experience before they got in, and she's got a lot of good common sense."--


    Hey. It's just about maybe being president. What the heck.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#25)
    by nell on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 01:04:35 PM EST
    Experience is important.

    The problem with that argument is naturally, what experience does Obama have? This is not an argument that can be won by us Dems and should be left alone...I was for Hillary because of her experience, and I had SO many of my Obama voting friends tell me that experience was overrated and plenty of people got in with no experience, and that experience doesn't matter...


    There May Be More To Troopergate (none / 0) (#21)
    by MTSINAIMAMA on Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 10:46:50 AM EST
    Then we realize. Also on the table is a claim that Palin pressured a company to deny Wooten's Workers Comp claim---a company which was just awarded a huge govt contract.