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Pool: What Day Will Sarah Palin Drop Out?

The day John McCain appointed Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential nominee, I wrote:

Did John McCain just repeat George McGovern's fatal mistake? How long will Palin stay on the ticket? Will McCain recover any better than McGovern?

It had nothing to do with Eagleton's particular problems, but how McGovern came to choose him, failed to adequately vet him, and then waffled when the problems arose, effectively costing him the election. I wrote about this recently when reviewing the new Gonzo film about Hunter S. Thompson:

[McGovern] got the 1972 Democratic nomination in Miami.

McGovern seemed to be a lock, for a week or so, until July 13 when he started to stumble. The biggest thing that went wrong: His choice of Thomas Eagleton for the vice presidency. Eagleton, it turned out, had been hospitalized for depression and treated with electroshock therapy.

Eagleton was the peace offering to the establishment that Muskie or Humphrey would have chosen. Hunter turned on McGovern, calling him a compromiser and a sell-out.

Finally, Eagleton stepped aside. It made McGovern look like a waffler. The campaign never recovered. McGovern complains that the press over-focused on his mishandling of Eagleton rather than the issues of the day like the war and Watergate.

In the film, McGovern gives a rather lame excuse for choosing and sticking by Eagleton. Gary Hart has a better explanation, but in essence, it's that politics is about compromise and it's unrealistic to expect anything else.

Hunter lost his appetite for writing about the election. He wrote that on election day, he'd get out of bed and go to the polling place and vote for McGovern but then he'd go right back home and go to bed and watch tv. And of course, Nixon won by a landslide.

John McCain picked Sarah Palin to get the enthusiastic support of the evangelical, radical right. He didn't think it would matter that she has no national experience because he perceived he could argue Obama didn't either.

A big miscalculation. Obama presented himself for 17 months to the American people, they heard him debate more than a dozen times, they made their own decision that he was ready for the job and the Democrats voted him their nominee.

Obama wasn't unilaterally appointed by a party's nominee in a transparent play for the evangelical and female vote. As if Sarah Palin could fill Hillary Clinton's shoes by virtue of her gender. As if women wouldn't see that Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton on issues. As if anything would evoke Palin's lack of qualifications more than to compare them to Hillary's.

John McCain went for a twofer because his campaign was in trouble. He had failed to excite his base with only 60 days to go. He took a risky shortcut to try to catch up, trying to get two birds with one stone. It's backfiring big-time.

Every tv anchor tonight is asking his surrogates what makes Palin qualified. It's the story with the longest legs. Not one of them has anything but a laughable answer. All they can cite is her 1 1/2 years as Governor and her position as chief of the Alaska National Guard. Then they say she's as experienced as Obama. The Democratic pundits on tv are making mincemeat of that argument.

Voters now know Obama. They vetted him during the course of the campaign. 18 million Democrats voted he was their choice. Voters don't know Palin from Adam. What they do know: She's under investigation in Alaska and she's got no relevant experience. And that only now, after selecting her, is McCain sending his team to Alaska to fully vet her.

Voters are left with only two conclusions: Either McCain didn't vet Palin which is shockingly, near-criminally negligent or he did vet Palin and still picked her, which has got to be the most desperate, jaw-droppingly reckless political move in decades.

Sarah Palin is not ready for prime-time or the Vice-Presidency, let alone to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office. As I also wrote the day her selection was announced, "I think she will crash and burn faster than any national candidate in recent memory."

Obama doesn't have to say a thing. The media and public will do it for him.

As I'm typing this, Obama is being interviewed by Anderson Cooper about Gustav. Anderson's last question was how he would answer those who say that Gov. Palin, as mayor of a small town and Gov. of Alaska, has more experience than he does. He didn't miss a beat. He smiled and said Palin's town of Wasilia, Alaska had 50 employees. His campaign has 2500. The town's budget is about $12 million a year. His budget is 3 times that per month. He cited the legislation he's passed on emergency management post-Katrina and that many recommendations he made were adopted and are being put in place as we speak.

The media is now en route to Alaska to do its own investigation.

Let's have a pool: What day does she drop out? The winner gets a TalkLeft 4th Amendment tote bag.

(Zero tolerance policy against references to her family and children is still in effect.)

(Comments over 200, thread closed.)

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    I'm kinda thinking that she doesn't (5.00 / 8) (#1)
    by rdandrea on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:34:06 PM EST
    n/t

    I agree: not gonna happen (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    agreed- she will end up being a net plus (5.00 / 10) (#103)
    by kenosharick on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:23:35 PM EST
    and all of the attacks on her and her family by the left are going to backfire. I am a liberal Dem and I am astonished that anyone is playing the experience card, when we have just nominatd the most inexperieced prez. candidate in 150 years. i can see the commercials alreay.

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    Right! (5.00 / 14) (#179)
    by Jeannie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:55:21 PM EST
    Because even if Palin has far right views - she is REAL. And there is a HUGE shortage of real in politics today.
    And she has accomplished things, she has a lovely family - especially with the problems (because every family has problems), and she is strong.
    Obama isn't strong. He doesn't have passionate views on things. What are his opinions on things? Who knows? (Please don't tell me to go to his website to find out!) Neither does Biden or even McCain have stong opinions. They have been in Washington too long.
    Palin knows who she is. You may not agree, but she believes - and you have to respect that. Her views are not political, they are her life.

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    you are really (3.00 / 2) (#216)
    by progrocks on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:12:08 PM EST
    really on the wrong site

    Parent
    You can see them... (2.00 / 0) (#206)
    by prose on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:08:55 PM EST
    because they already exist.  The repubs initiated the experience argument and then acted in outright hypocrisy.  This was well documented by Cambell Brown in her interview of Tucker Bounds tonight.

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    A note from someone who knows her well (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:46:56 PM EST
    I saw this unusually balanced note from Anne Kilkenny, a resident of Walsilla, who was witness to her rise and "attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city."

      It's very detailed and, as I said, very balanced and, in my mind, an important read.  This will mean more than all the family news headlining the web blogs the last day.

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    Balanced? (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by daria g on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:03:10 PM EST
    Good lord.  I started reading and thought, this is useful information (I have no doubt she is extremely conservative), but when it got to the point where the author accuses her of pulling "shenanigans" to be made point guard in high school basketball, I had to conclude this is not objective, to put it mildly.

    Parent
    Mean Girls: The Sequel? (5.00 / 8) (#80)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:18:25 PM EST
    If only this all were only on the movie screens, instead of our computer screens.

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    Balanced? Heck no. (5.00 / 8) (#139)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:38:19 PM EST
    I didn't even get that far.  This arrived in the 2rd paragraph:
    in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school.

    Okay...maybe the author didn't really mean that quite the way it sounds... but then:

    She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help.

    and then I got to what you mentioned:

    They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness.

    'Predatory ruthlessness'?  As a high-school point guard????

    Every single inch of this hugely long email that can't be corroborated with any sort of public record is dripping with vitriol.  I hardly think dismissing the [insert smear that it's against TL policy to mention] near the beginning makes this balanced.  Heck, Keith Olberman is nicer about her.

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    You're right about the (none / 0) (#150)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:41:33 PM EST
    over-stated personal critiques.  I liked that she wrote it from her own perspective, explained who she was and from what angle she was writing this, and while obviously not an admirer over the years she managed to get some pluses in there.

     

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    Wasn't she just reporting how she got (none / 0) (#141)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:38:27 PM EST
    the name 'barracuda' ?

    as a girl in school ?

    All in all, I found it more balanced than anything I've read so far.

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    Only if you already (5.00 / 8) (#199)
    by Jeannie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:06:23 PM EST
    dislike Palin and are prepared to believe the worst about her.
    That bit was just nonsense. If she was so terrible as a mayor, and poor at the job - they how did she get to be governor?

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    no reference to family (3.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:47:57 PM EST
    I didn't and you may not either. Zero tolerance.

    Parent
    That linked note is seriously worth reading (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:07:16 PM EST
    for several reasons -
    The author claims to have known Palin since 1992 - before she was elected to anything.
    The author clearly states everything pretty objectively - "pluses" and "minuses".
    The author made Palin's enemies list when she opposed (along with about 100 other people) Palin's attempt to purge the public library of books she deemed unsuitable (someone should report on that).

    Most importantly, the author notes that while there are millions of people more qualified than Palin, a lot of people have come to regret underestimating her.

    And the author has the guts to use her real name and email.

    Parent

    Hmmm, I saw a few emails during (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:11:00 PM EST
    the primary that were supposedly balanced and the author signed their real name . . . . Many times they were posted at the Orange blog.

    Parent
    thanks for posting (none / 0) (#51)
    by sancho on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:06:03 PM EST
    kilkenny's note. very informative and, i thought, reasonable.  

    Parent
    Anne's report on Sarah (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ardeth on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:21:14 PM EST
    This is pretty damning, if true.  It certainly sounds authentic and sincere.  I presume there are already investigative reporters up there looking into this stuff, and I look forward to hearing what they learn.

    Thanks very much for the link.

    Parent

    Sure. (5.00 / 9) (#220)
    by Jeannie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:14:08 PM EST
    I think of myself as a well-respected business woman. Most people agree with that. But I am sure thre are one or two people who might just hate me enough to write something like that.
    I have a friend who is an excellent mayor of a small town. She has people who hate her because of the animal bylaws. Who feel their taxes are too high and blame her. Who feel she is to blame for a traffic ticket or the increase in the garbage pick-up bill. She is sometimes threatened and demeaned.
    When you go into politics, even small town politics - you gain a thick skin. Idiots are idiots the world over.

    Parent
    Great article (none / 0) (#218)
    by prose on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:13:41 PM EST
    Fantastic find.  Thanks!

    Parent
    Why is it fantastic? (5.00 / 3) (#231)
    by Jeannie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:18:01 PM EST
    If true (although none of it is substantuated), then why was she elected Governor? That was all before that election. Silly crap.

    Parent
    Obama didn'd do himself any favors here.
    Obama smiled and said Palin's town of Wasilia, Alaska had 50 employees. His campaign has 2500. The town's budget is about $12 million a year. His budget is 3 times that per month.

    This is a level of excess which a seasoned politician, with any common sense, would keep to himself. But Obama sits there, and witlessly touts his CAMPAIGN'S superior manpower and financial prowess in relation to a small TOWN.  

    This episode of utterly tone-deaf braggadocio will, no doubt, end up in a GOP attack ad. Obama just doesn't get it.

    Parent

    Ridiculing small town America... (5.00 / 7) (#160)
    by ineedalife on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:44:03 PM EST
    almost lost the primary for Obama. Seems he is a slow learner.

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    Context (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by TChris on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:58:44 PM EST
    Obama answered Anderson Cooper's question. It's not as if he pointlessly attacked Palin's lack of experience.

    Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin's executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

    Asked to draw a direct comparison, he gave a direct answer. He wasn't "touting" his "superior manpower"; he was explaining that his managerial experience exceeded Palin's.  Granted, he didn't talk about her relatively brief experience as governor, but his answer to the question was far from "tone-deaf braggadocio."

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    He did not give a full answer though (5.00 / 5) (#188)
    by americanincanada on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:00:40 PM EST
    He compared his campaign staff that he has this year to the staff she had as mayor in 1996. Why did he not compare his senate staff to the staff she has and oversees as Gov of Alaska?

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    How do you figure? (5.00 / 5) (#192)
    by ineedalife on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:02:06 PM EST
    If the question was about dealing with weather-related issues as a Senator, how is the size of his campaign staff and budget relevant?

    Parent
    It harks back to the earlier mis-steps... (5.00 / 5) (#222)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:15:16 PM EST
    It's tone-deaf like saying that when certain people fall on hard times they "get bitter and cling to guns and religion".

    If he had adequate first-hand experience of the folks he's talking about, he might be aware that those terms are highly insensitive.

    Likewise the unfavorable comparison of a MODEST SMALL TOWN to his BIG RICH CAMPAIGN; you just don't say *hit like that if you hope to get elected.

    Parent

    Dropping out before or after the nomination ... (none / 0) (#173)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:51:20 PM EST
    McCain has a chance to get someone else lined up right now and I'd be shocked if he were not doing so.

      If she does drop out I'll get on the record for chosing Wednesday, when they'll have someone else ready to jump right in.  I don't think she'd drop out after the nomination unless there was another scandal.  But we already have the October decision to await and that is pretty much of a gamble!  However, the tasering of an 11-yr old stays in the mind too.

      It occurred to me, re McGovern, that Eagleton's medical condition was not the only thing though it was huge.

      Watching it develop, I saw the biggest emotional response in my circle was to McGovern saying to the press "I support him 1000%" which was sort of out-sized, shall we say!  And then when he dropped Eagleton despite the "1000%" support he was giving, this really hurt McGovern, in our view.  His 'support' for anything meant nothing then.  It was embarrassing at the time.

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    I don't think she'll drop out (5.00 / 3) (#193)
    by litigatormom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:02:53 PM EST
    McCain's position is that she was properly vetted (despite the fact that McCain vetters are currently en route to Alaska to "confirm" everything) and that he knew about all recently reported issues (including the investigation into the Troopergate matter, and her early support for the Bridge to Nowhere).  

    He won't admit a mistake. He and the GOP will go on the offensive and accuse the media and Obama of sexism. And Obama, I fear, will wind up apologizing.

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    That last part--it would be well-founded (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:05:28 PM EST
    I sure don't want to be in the position of enabling it.

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    Prepare to be shocked... (5.00 / 3) (#232)
    by CK MacLeod on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:18:14 PM EST
    ...there is zero chance that McCain is going to drop Palin or is thinking about dropping Palin.

    There is a very high chance that certain bloggers and pundits have been smoking from their own stash, if you catch my drift.

    (BEWARE! - McCAIN-PALIN SUPPORTER)

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    Drop out? (5.00 / 11) (#248)
    by Jeannie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:26:33 PM EST
    Why should she drop out? I can't think of a reason. It has given excitement and energy to the Republicans. A campaign that was 'old' and stale has been given a lift. And I disagree with Palin on almost every issue, but the nastiness and stupidity of the Democrats has me standing up for her every time I read a stupid comment or lie about her.
    It seems to be the same baseless sexism and hatred that they gave to Hillary. So here I am, thinking Sarah is a great gal!

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    Jeralyn, then can we also have a pool (5.00 / 12) (#3)
    by Marvin42 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:38:45 PM EST
    about when will Sen Biden withdraw "due to personal reasons" and Sen Clinton be placed on the ticket if Palin doesn't withdraw and this doesn't play out the way you seem to think it will?

    Because I have been guessing there have been multiple conversations along these lines at Obama campaign headquarters these past 3 days.

    Oh and I pick she doesn't also. What happens if there is a tie?

    I'll pick between multiple winners (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:40:43 PM EST
    if there aren't too many, I'll send each a bag (up to three.) More than that, I'll pick three.

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    Just remember - I set the over-under (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:10:14 PM EST
    at September 30, about the same time Saturday that you put up the referenced post about her dropping out.

    That line hasn't moved just yet.

    And, does TalkLeft have coffee cups for those of us who don't use tote bags but are serious coffee drinkers?

    Parent

    Forget the coffee cups (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:16:36 PM EST
    September 30 is my birthday. If Palin drops out on that day I'll buy you a beer.

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    You can get one (none / 0) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:14:54 PM EST
    here. But I'm only giving out tote bags.

    Parent
    Why would Biden drop out? (none / 0) (#196)
    by litigatormom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:04:05 PM EST
    Have I missed something?  

    Parent
    I'll take a stab at it.. (5.00 / 0) (#204)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:08:30 PM EST
    because if Jeralyn is making a pool when Palin is dropping out as VP, it's only fair to make a pool when Biden is dropping out as VP because making a pool is not nice, just because.

    Parent
    Because if SOMEHOW everyone is wrong (5.00 / 3) (#233)
    by Marvin42 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:18:20 PM EST
    And Palin boosts the republican ticket a lot (like it looks like she is doing, despite comments to the contrary here) the only way to stop the bleeding may be to put Sen Clinton on as VP (Sen Biden as VP probably being the primary reason we are having any kind of Palin related discussions).

    Because so far Palin is either the most disastrous decision ever or the most brilliant one ever.

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    Not later than. . . (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:39:51 PM EST
    the morning of November 5th.

    She doesn't (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Coldblue on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:41:02 PM EST
    and we should be happy.

    Won't happen (5.00 / 7) (#10)
    by Steve M on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:41:06 PM EST
    Palin is untouchable at this point.  The GOP cannot get her off the ticket for the same reason that the superdelegates could not have given the nomination to Hillary, even if they had wanted to.

    100% agree with this post. (none / 0) (#33)
    by skuld1 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:52:31 PM EST
    She "drops out" the day after election day, when she and McCain (most likely) lose the election.

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    And Camille Paglia has no credibility (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:43:05 PM EST


    She doesn't (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:47:28 PM EST
    But she's probably right on this, a la the stopped clock twice a day thing.

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    You can say that again (none / 0) (#189)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:00:52 PM EST
    I would consider it a very sad result (5.00 / 15) (#14)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:43:36 PM EST
    if Gov. Palin is hounded off the Republican ticket, which I do not support.  Leave the woman alone already.

    I happen to agree (5.00 / 8) (#29)
    by Steve M on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:50 PM EST
    Why should she be left alone? (5.00 / 6) (#74)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:16:30 PM EST
    It's not like she's retiring to the interior of Alaska to live off hunting moose and gathering wild berries.  She's making her debut onto the national stage and seeking to become the vice-president to the oldest (and, arguably, sickest*) old man who ever won the nomination of his party for the Presidency.

    From what it looks like, she's Rudy Giuliani in snowshoes, carrying a cross instead of a Yankees logo.  Petty, vindictive and perfectly willing to abuse power as a first resort.  She deserves the full investigation.

    *  Second only (maybe) to FDR in 1944, who replaced Wallace with Truman, the latter having had years of local experience (in a very corrupt, big-jurisdiction environment) and then put that experience (and rat-smelling ability) to work in keeping the US war effort in WWII relatively clean.

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    "Petty and Vindictive" (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:19:36 PM EST
    could describe a whole lotta politicians if you look far enough into their backgrounds.

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    I'll agree that there's a base level (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:34:20 PM EST
    of "petty and vindictive" in just about any pol.  Thing is, it's when it starts to become a defining character trait* that I mention it.  Giuliani had it in spades and, it appears, Palin has it, too.

    * e.g.:  Mr. Giuliani, why can't I have a ferret in NYC?  "You're sick,  demented ... where did you say you live?" (I paraphrase the infamous ferret phone call to Rudy's call-in radio program.)

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    Gawd, the ferret incident! (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:46:49 PM EST
    Palin would have to really do "something" for me to compare her to Rudy. I won't go into what I think of Rudy. It's surely ban worthy.

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    Oh, she should not be left alone. (5.00 / 4) (#102)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:23:25 PM EST
    This is politics, after all.

    But some people should leave it alone, for the same reason:  Everything they do reflects on their candidate, too.  So I finally figured out what's going on here.  The opposite of what it seems. . . .

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    Of course, it could be the opposite (none / 0) (#174)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:51:59 PM EST
    of the opposite of what it seems too..

    it's all so inexplicable and inscrutable...

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    Because Sen. McCain is the Republican (5.00 / 4) (#170)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:48:26 PM EST
    nominee for President, not Gov. Palin.  Because the Alaska Legislature's investigation into borther-in-law trooper internal affairs investigation, any contacts Gov. Palin, her staff, her husband, etc. had with anyone in state government conerning the trooper, are just that:  under investigation.  This is a blog that over and over condemns a rush to judgment, but not in this instance.  

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    no one has presumed her guilty (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:53:08 PM EST
    least of all me. I've stated that repeatedly.

    It's the media interest in the story I supsect will doom her. When they latch on, they don't let go and they seem to be latching on troopergate, her lack of national experience and whether McCain failed to vet her.

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    Who, exactly,... (none / 0) (#191)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:01:19 PM EST
    qualifies as "media" these days? Does your definition include new media, and does it include media that targets partisan audiences? (Not that there's anything wrong with that; I'm just trying to get a feel for the scope of your definition.)

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    While I'm of two minds about this (none / 0) (#217)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:13:11 PM EST
    (and in my regular mode), the blog's advising against a rush to judgment is usually about rushing people toward jail with insufficient reason.

      In this case, it's about someone who, upon a very vulnerable presidential candidate's demise, would become President of the U.S. and without (as we've seen) enough checks in place and under really fragile global circumstances too.

      But then I think, one could say that we've survived Bush, but thousands upon thousands haven't and hundreds of thousands in Iraq...  and most of us are suffering from the harm to the economy too, which has been severe...

      With job placements such as CEO of this or that large, global organization, there can be good reason to substitute another person before making a very bad mistake.  I admire her guts and positive energy though.

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    I believe the story about the Republicans (5.00 / 15) (#15)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:44:25 PM EST
    only vetting her now was debunked here on TL yesterday.

    And beg pardon, but Obama has passed no legislation.  He can't.  He can propose it, sponsor it, cosponsor it, support it, make up a song about it, but he can't pass it.

    For 6 months the MSM, and especially cable news (using the term loosely) pilloried Hillary up, down, and sideways, and 18 million Democrats ignored them.  The general election audience is, if anything, even more skeptical of just about anything they have to say.  Yeah, maybe if the entire electorate were tied down and had their eyes propped open with toothpicks, forced to watch MSNBC a la Clockwork Orange, the way they're trying to spin this might matter, but they're not (so far).

    So I'll take 'never gonna happen' in the pool.  What do I get when I win?

    Oh, I don't believe she was thoroughly vetted (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:26 PM EST
    It certainly wasn't a thorough vetting. (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by eustiscg on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:51:34 PM EST
    Among other things, Democratic oppo researchers found they were the first to access her local newspaper's archives.

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    HuffPo (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:53:39 PM EST
    does not have a good reputation. Look for verification elsewhere.

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    Huffpo was correct (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:17:12 PM EST
    and I provided links to the Washington Post and you can turn on ABC or NBC and see it yourself. Are George Stephanopolous and Andrea Mitchell lacking in credibility too?

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    Andrea Mitchell (5.00 / 5) (#145)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:39:06 PM EST
    has ZERO credibility.  George Stephanopolous is dicey.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:21:31 PM EST
    responding to the above poster's sole reliance on HuffPo. Nothing else. If s/he had provided other sources of information like you did, I would have never questioned it.

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    Oh, do read it first (5.00 / 8) (#59)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:10:38 PM EST
    as I know Huffpo looks like a real newspaper, but I already have had great fun, thanks to this site using that story earlier today.  I sent it to friends who are journalism profs, who also are having a hoot with it and will use it in class.

    Yeh, no one previously made a request to research in the archives according to the guy who is directly quoted as saying that he's not the go-guy for requests to research in the archives.  So, y'know, he wouldn't know.

    Really, always read Huffpo carefully.  It can be worth it only when it is so unintentionally funny.

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    See Jeralyn's rebuttal above. (none / 0) (#119)
    by eustiscg on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:28:48 PM EST
    HuffPo was simply the first instance to hand.

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    Oh, yeh, I get that same excuse (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:46:27 PM EST
    at the end of every semester.

    No, you cannot have an extension on your paper unless you have extenuating circumstances -- and evidence thereof.  

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    Haha. (none / 0) (#169)
    by eustiscg on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:47:56 PM EST
    Mea maxima culpa.

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    They couldn't just use the internet? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Valhalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:41:45 PM EST
    Nah. (none / 0) (#177)
    by eustiscg on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:54:11 PM EST
    Their online archive only extends back 14 days.

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    NY Times now says. . . (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:04:31 PM EST
    Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin's background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice.

    Forget Palin, it's what this says about McCain that's important.

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    it wasn't as I ldemonstrated (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:05:21 PM EST
    by the WAPO article and you must have missed the news tonight, ABC, NBC all confirmed McCain's team went up this weekend.

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    So the bloggers (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:17:54 PM EST
    writing about Arthur Culvahouse being spotted in Juneau back in May were mistaking him with someone else?

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    If they went up this weekend (none / 0) (#207)
    by litigatormom on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:09:12 PM EST
    wasn't that still after McCain announced her as his running mate?  Isn't that still too late?

    Or did you mean last weekend?

    (Sorry, I've been away this weekend and haven't read the weekend papers or posts from earlier in the weekend.)

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#84)
    by D Jessup on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:19:17 PM EST
    they used the Google to vet her.

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    Camille Paglia said (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by talesoftwokitties on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:45:55 PM EST
    blah, blah, blah, blah!  She's a wacko!

    How about October 10th?

    Ugh. (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:46:23 PM EST
    Camille Paglia. One of the most odious people on the planet.

    However, I agree that Palin won't drop out.

    Nov 2012 (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by jes on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:00 PM EST
    that's my guess and I'm sticking to it.

    what are the odds palin (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by sancho on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    becomes our first female president? got to be at least equal to those that have her dropping out. i'd say better though both are possible.

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    I'd say zero at this point, unless (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jes on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:05:20 PM EST
    they had an incredibly successful first term - not likely to happen. I do think though they have a chance to win with the melt-down of some of the lefty blogs and hysteria. I continue to think they are playing rope-a-dope and suspect that Sarah Palin was picked for the role.

    As long as she sticks to playing defense - I think it has a good chance to work.

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    None. She won't even get re-elected governor (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Los Diablo on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:27:35 PM EST
    of Alaska after this.  She will be lucky to be able to finish her term.  She is plummeting in the polls there and the corruption thing is going to stick.  Now with the spotlight on her, she will be an albino cockroach stuck in sunlight.

    If she drops out, it will be September 13th.

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    Obama shouldn't have answered (5.00 / 11) (#31)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:51:15 PM EST
    the reporter's question. He is allowing himself to be compared to Palin -- the vice-presidential candidate of the opposing party.

    Will the MSM ask for a debate between Biden and McCain too?

    So let's see, accordin g to (5.00 / 10) (#39)
    by frankly0 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:56:42 PM EST
    your account, Obama "doesn't miss a beat", and compares his running of his own campaign with her experience as mayor -- NOT, apparently, as Governor.

    To begin with, Obama has NOT had 2500 people in his campaign from the beginning, has he? Perhaps he does now, as nominee -- but what does that even mean? Why on earth should his running of a campaign for two years somehow be important, but her running a state does not?

    It sounds to me that what Obama didn't miss a beat in doing was in avoiding the real meat of the question: has he ever run anything remotely like a state government? The answer to that, obviously, is no.

    If he wants to argue that he has more credentials on foreign policy than she, well he has some sort of argument there.

    But then he has to get around the exceedingly  awkward fact that he's going to have to be President on Day One, and the probability is close to zero that Palin will have to be President before she amasses considerably more experience -- if ever.

    President vs. VP (5.00 / 8) (#79)
    by Hozzie on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:18:03 PM EST
    I think it was BTD that said the experience issue is a "dog that won't hunt."

    Assuming Sen. Obama and Gov. Palin are on equal footing viz. experience, the former is running for President, the latter for Vice President.

    It doesn't make sense to argue Gov. Palin should not be a "heartbeat away from the Presidency" when the alternative scenario makes Sen. Obama that heartbeat from day one. Therefore, the "experience" argument is a logical fallacy.

    There's also the fact that if President McCain buys the farm, President Palin will be able to select a very experienced VP, a la Obama-Biden.

    Add in the well-known (and true) maxim that people don't vote for a VP, and this line of attack becomes damaging to the Democratic ticket.

    And who says women won't vote for Gov. Palin simply because she's a woman? With respect, there is plenty of evidence to support the fact that voters may be inclined to vote on the basis of base commonalities, rather than issues.

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    If I were him, I wouldn't compare (5.00 / 10) (#98)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:22:38 PM EST
    his operating budget to her past ones. He spent big bucks to lose key states in the primaries and also was outspending McCain quite a bit to lose his lead before the convention.

    I 'love' the way he and his campaign like to forget she's a Gov.

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    I thought you were being pretty hard (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by bjorn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:05:01 PM EST
    on Palin on Friday and Saturday, but some of what you said does make more sense now.   I think it is possible she could drop out, but if it doesn't happen in the next two weeks, it probably won't happen.  I think the odds are slim she will drop out.

    O'Reilly went after DailyKos tonight for their part in the rumor mongering.  It was pretty effective.  We should also have a pool on whether or not Markos will eventually have a policy on  taking down diaries that are National Enquirer or Globe quality in the future.

    I think DKos has a rating system (none / 0) (#97)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:22:05 PM EST
    that does that. And the objectionable diaries were personal attacks, which we don't allow here.

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    The rating system only applies (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:58:40 PM EST
    to comments. Only the administrators can take down a diary. There have been a few diaries in the past few days asking for a someway that offensive diaries can be hidden much like trollish comments.

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    Now we're listening to the Democratic pundits? (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Ardeth on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:05:11 PM EST
    Personally I found them just as obnoxious this evening as I've found them every other evening for the past 9 months.  Although you gotta love Carville, no matter what he comes out with:)

    However, I agree, it appears that Palin could well be McCain's Achilles Heel, but unless the conversatives/evangelicals suddenly turn their back on her, I doubt she's going away anytime soon.  Consolidating McCain's base in the party is what he needed his running mate to do.  All those church buses can haul a lot of voters to the polls in November.

    If the water gets so hot so fast that she can't survive for more than a few days, I'd be surprised if he didn't choose an equally conservative running mate.  I don't see how it helps Obama for us to wish her gone.

    I think it's all going to hang on how she handles the press when she actually sits down to answer questions.  How well she delivers her speech at the RNC.  How well she does in the debate (assuming she lasts that long) with Biden.  What evidence is actually unearthed about Troopergate over the next few days.  And what other skeletons she might have tucked away in the dark.

    Obama seems to like weakened (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:38:59 PM EST
    opposing ballots. If all the pundits are saying the same thing, there must be a TPM out. I'll have to pay attention tomorrow to see what the words of the day are . . .

    I will say one thing though, Obama did step off script today with his statement. And I do applaud him for that and it seemed genuine.

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    She's (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:06:40 PM EST
    not going to drop out. Dan Quayle didn't and neither will she.

    Wolf Blitzer reported that she's been fully vetted fwiw.

    no he didn't (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:23:11 PM EST
    Wolf Blitzer said McCain's campaign says she's been fully vetted. I heard him.

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    Trouble (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by bob5540 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:08:38 PM EST
    If John McCain can't spot trouble coming from Alaska, then how in god's name can he protect America?

    IMHO this is not the way to go... (5.00 / 9) (#153)
    by skuld1 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:42:27 PM EST
    This type of statement is easy to turn around (example: 'If Barack Obama can't spot trouble from Trinity Church, then how in god's name can he protect America?') and nothing is gained.

    Focus on issues.

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    Brilliant (5.00 / 4) (#176)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:53:56 PM EST
    that's the thing about this election.  EVERYTHING can be used against the other party's candidate.  EVERYTHING.

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    All this (5.00 / 11) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:11:34 PM EST
    "dropping out" stuff sounds just like what the Dem party did to Hillary. It's more picking at scabs and playing right into McCain's hands.

    Don't think she will drop out (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by D Jessup on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:13 PM EST
    McCain needs her, because she is getting Republican womem excited about the ticket.  Repubs need the women because they tend to do most of the ground work and GOTV, and they are not excited about him.

    Ok, I want to throw out a date... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Lil on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:18 PM EST
    How 'bout Sept. 27th? No other reason than it's my birthday and I would love a tote bag. In the end the only date that matters to me is November 4th (which happens to be my daughter's birthday). I would love to see this country turn blue, even if it is at Palin's expense..

    There's something I don't get... (5.00 / 9) (#66)
    by Upstart Crow on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:13:23 PM EST
    Rev. Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Odinga, voting "present" ... we gave Obama a free pass on all of these.

    The stuff on Palin -- again, a VP candidate -- is not nearly as damaging as Obama's stuff.

    Don't you think the right is going to give SP a free pass -- just like we gave Obama a free pass?

    What's the difference?

    And to continue the analogy (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Upstart Crow on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:14:29 PM EST
    She's proving to be a galvanizing fundraiser for the right -- just as BHO was for the left.

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    18 million voters (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:20:22 PM EST
    considered that info and selected him anyway.

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    And I'm not at all sure (5.00 / 6) (#110)
    by Upstart Crow on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:25:35 PM EST
    that the majority of voters won't feel the same way about Palin in November.

    All the crap she's taking is solidifying a lot of conservatives behind her. The Repub. party made $10m in the first 72 hours after her nomination, and they've had a record-breaking month now.

    It looks like they like her -- just like the DNC liked BHO -- and they're giving her a free pass.

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    That's exactly why she's so dangerous (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:44:05 PM EST
    She's energizing the radical right and evangelicals who will pump a ton of money into McCain's campaign. The Republicans were apathetic and resigned to a probable loss, now they are excited.

    I don't want the radical right controlling the election. Or the White House. Or the Supreme Court. Or the Justice Department.

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    However (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:47:20 PM EST
    according to how this blog tilted in the primaries, you DIDN'T.

    As one of those 18 million who went for experience, rather, DEMOCRATIC experience, it doesn't incline me to pull the lever for Senator Obama because a). he has a D by his name or b.) Hillary and Bill Clinton asked me to.

    And because McCain has 'experience' (being a Republican) doesn't make me want to vote for him just because he chose an "outsider".

    This election will go down as the strangest one EVER!

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    you may be right about the strange part (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:05:46 PM EST
    And yes, as between Hillary and Obama, experience was very important to me. But they were similar on issues. McCain/Palin is a disaster on issues. That has taken precedence for me and I've been very up front about it.

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    What's the respective vote total: Obama & Hill (none / 0) (#181)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:57:37 PM EST
    It sounds really wrong to just take Hillary's historic "18 million" voters and assign them to Obama. I know the numbers are thought to be very close, but the semantics aren't benefiting the argument here.

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    36 million votes total (5.00 / 3) (#202)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:07:02 PM EST
    Each got 18 million, last I checked. I'm not giving him her votes.

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    I meant these Popular Vote Totals... (none / 0) (#250)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:34:02 PM EST
    LINK: Real Clear Politics:

    Popular Vote Total:           
    *Hillary Clinton: 17,869,54 = 48.2%   
    *Barack Obama: 17,535,458 =   48.1%   


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    Palin going forward (5.00 / 11) (#81)
    by S on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:18:37 PM EST
    right now, I do not see her dropping out...her base seems to be falling in love with her...and the left underestimates her at their peril...

    I have seen her in a few interviews and on c-span in a couple of rallys and she is articulate and fluid...no, uh, dudh, head bobbing left to right dependent on a teleprompter...

    she is very confident and comes across very informed and smart...

    I predict she gives a great speech at the repub convention and people start saying she is THE RISING STAR and new face of REPUB party...

    the left is falling into the same sexism they pulled on Hillary against Palin...and it is pathetic...makes me embarrassed to be a long time dem...

    Sorry, but for me, this is outragious! (5.00 / 11) (#91)
    by zfran on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:21:08 PM EST
    And, to boot, you're giving away a prize! This is not a football game, or a baseball game, or a lottery. This is cruel and quite frankly dumb, no offense.What have we become?

    I've been startled by Jerlyn's new tone as well (4.92 / 14) (#201)
    by sarahfdavis on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:06:36 PM EST
    There a mean eagerness to it that I just don't recognize.
    I feel better now that BTD has stated that it bugs him as well.
    There's still healthy debate here! Whew!

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    here tone (5.00 / 2) (#251)
    by progrocks on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:34:31 PM EST
    is one that wants to see democrats back in control of this country. Granted, it is one that is in the minority of the people who comment on the site who want, well, I guess to go back in time, but it is consistent with her beliefs.

    It seems that people who have only been here since the primaries started dont get what this site is. This isnt just a place for hillary supports, or whatever many of you are, to get your anger out, but a place to discuss criminal justice issues, and rather left wing ones at that.  Those beliefs are not always consistent with what some in the Democratic party strive for, but they are millions of miles away from what you see from the other party.

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    Nothing to lose by keeping her in (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:21:49 PM EST
    She is McCain's best shot.  He might as well drop out himself if he has to replace her.  She will stay in.

    And what has she personally got left to lose by staying in? She's already take a weekend of abuse. I think she can handle it.

    Anglachel says it best (5.00 / 6) (#159)
    by Prabhata on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:43:58 PM EST
    Here is a snip

    Republican Ticket
    There is little the Democrats can do directly about the end run McCain is attempting with Palin. McCain correctly identified his electoral weaknesses (loss of image as outsider, growth of image that he is not a mover and shaker, belief that he is not sufficiently conservative) and has located a running mate who helps him shore up issues without detracting from him. He has reasserted the maverick brand, positioned himself as a change agent, and has neutralized most of his hard-right defection threat. What Democrats need to understand is the VP selection was all about McCain and the problems he was having creating the right image and was not about policy, credentials, or filling an office. Our Republican friends are ecstatic about the selection of Palin because it fixes their problems with McCain. They now have a positive reason to vote for their ticket.

    more

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    Wow, you'd think... (5.00 / 11) (#100)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:23:03 PM EST
    ...that facing a Republican ticket that weak, the two big strong men on the Dem ticket could swat it away on their own.

    I guess that's what puzzles me more than anything about the witchhunts against (not legitimate criticisms of) Palin; you'd think most Dems would want Palin to stay on the ticket since she's such a liability, and would improve Obama's chances of clinching in November.


    Yeh, you'd think. (5.00 / 8) (#120)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:28:57 PM EST
    So I'm starting to think through what is happening here in a very different way.  If someone didn't want the Dems to win, wouldn't they behave in such a way that reflects so badly on their candidate as this?  Up is down, in is out.  Marvelously Rovian.

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    Cream City (5.00 / 4) (#180)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:56:26 PM EST
    ur still one of my heroes!!

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    Mine too! (5.00 / 2) (#203)
    by sarahfdavis on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:07:40 PM EST
    And this is because TL (none / 0) (#195)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:03:37 PM EST
    has such a profound effect on the millions of voters in the country so that in a brilliant stroke of Machiavellian thinking, Jeralyn criticizes Palin so that America will be disgusted and revolt against Obama. Yes, of course. This makes perfect sense. Ah, so Rovian.

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    No, dear. Because of pack attacks (5.00 / 4) (#210)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:09:59 PM EST
    by so many left blogs.  Do you really rely on only this one now?

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    Not going to happen ... (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:26:21 PM EST
    McCain might as well drop out at the same time.  It would guarantee a loss.

    Plus, the only people in the Republican party with the power to push for such a move are the religious right.  And they love her.

    Be careful what you wish for (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by Manuel on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:29:25 PM EST
    Eagleton was a nod to the establishment.  Palin is a sop to the base.  If the media and the left blogs manage to drive Palin out of the race, McCain's base will be energized.  The attacks alone are helping McCain.  Did you see his fundraising numbers for August?  Don't you think that the media attacks helped Hillary?  McCain is hoping for a big anti media reaction.  He may get it.

    everytime (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:58:47 PM EST
    there was a smear against hillary, another website asked for those reading to make a donation.

    On John McCain's website, the trolls are out in full force.  One poster said that for every time an anti-Palin post was made, to donate $1-$5.

    Edwards used that SAME ploy against Ann Coulter...and it worked.  Hell I even donated to Edwards over her hateful remarks.

    Lemon, meet lemonade.

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    I haven't heard anything as of yet (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by karmadillo on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:30:46 PM EST
    to make me thing she will drop out. Should she? To be honest, I'd just as soon see both parties' tickets admit their inadequacy and go away. Palin lacks experience, but, as has been noted previously with little effect, so does Obama. I know Palin is a girl and that means she can't be in our club and all that, but if Obama gets to stay, so should she. The media storm (which, strangely enough, never seemed to arrive when a flawed Obama was going up against that other girl) is going to give Palin one of those press conference moments when she takes on the accusations and walks away after looking much more qualified than she did before. Not what we need as the world goes to hell, but that's what we get when issues get ignored for hope and change and babies and troopers and such.

    Just so we all remember, Sarah Palin (5.00 / 17) (#124)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:31:15 PM EST
    isn't the nominee for President, so continuing to compare her to Obama is just ridiculous; presumably, Joe Biden was chosen to be Obama's VP in the same way - meaning absent an actual vote by the electorate - so why the continuing emphasis on the Obama-Palin comparison?

    And, I'm sorry, but a candidate who is ahead of or even with the Democratic nominee (as of the time he nominated Palin) is not "in trouble," at least not as I understand how numbers actually work.

    Obama was vetted by the voters only to the extent that the media did its job and raised the issues that were out there.  By any measure, the media darling did not get vetted as he should have been and insisting that his status as the nominee "proves" that he did is an embarrassing stretch of logic.

    I am hard-pressed to understand why it is that Democratic pundits we didn't have the time of day for when they were opining about the Democratic primary have all of a sudden been elevated to oracle status because they are saying something you want to hear.

    It would be a whole lot more honest if you would just do a post entitled "I Hate Sarah Palin," and be done with it.

    I guarantee the MSM (5.00 / 11) (#125)
    by kenosharick on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:32:07 PM EST
    will put more effort into vetting Palin in the next few weeks than they have Obama in almost two years!

    then say hello (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:00:55 PM EST
    to President John McCain.

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    By September 4 (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by themomcat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:32:25 PM EST
    in the wee small hours of the morning. By birthday is the 5th and I like tote bags I can re-use for groceries and stuff.
     

    Obama vs Palin debate (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by S on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:32:50 PM EST
    what i would really like to see is an unrestricted debate between Obama and Palin...no rigged narrators in the Obama tank from NBC...

    no teleprompters...just the two of them on topic...then we could see how this experience thing plays out...

    who knows what they are talking about on their own feet...no freebies or assistance...

    Obama vs Palin Debate...let's push for it...
    that would really be interesting...especially since our female star Hillary was forced to the back of the bus and is currently in submission

    Yeah, right. (5.00 / 3) (#135)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:36:06 PM EST
    The day after the McCain-Biden debate.

    Sheesh.

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    Palin's not at the top of the ticket, (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:38:40 PM EST
    and the way it usually works is that the VP nominees debate each other, not the person at the top of the other party's ticket; she will get an opportunity to debate Joe Biden - remember him?  He's the actual Democratic nominee for VP, who is strikingly absent from the discussion.

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    Palin is a VP (none / 0) (#146)
    by Prabhata on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:39:10 PM EST
    She will not debate Obama but Biden

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    Obama vs Palin Debate (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by S on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:09:50 PM EST
    yes, everybody I know the VP's debate the VP's...

    but the meme being set up is that she and Obama are both inexperienced...and I am simply suggesting that would be a fascinating and very revealing debate...

    especially with no teleprompters of definitely no moderators from NBC/MSNBC...just to keep it fair

    everyone is taking shots at her and attacking her lack of experience so it would be really interesting to see her speak for herself against the other so called 'inexperienced candidate'

    I would watch...

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    I have heard (5.00 / 6) (#136)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:36:54 PM EST
    very little from Sarah Palin so far.  I don't know what her stump speech is like.  As far as I can tell she hasn't even had a chance to exchange barbs with Obama/Biden.  

    For some reason, the media has completely flipped out over this pick.  The last few days have been utter insanity.  Who knows, maybe Blitzer and co. got burned in the VP betting markets.  Let this shake out some more.  The sheer terror people seem to have of Palin being President when we still hardly know anything about her bewilders me a little bit.

    VP Vetting revenge (5.00 / 4) (#225)
    by S on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:16:20 PM EST
    yes, I actually heard the MSNBC crew on the morning just before palin was confirmed saying they were going to punish MCCain...

    they were actually going on and on about how the press corp was going to punish McCain for playing his 'guessing game'...ha, ha...after two weeks of Obama VP speculating and setting cameras outside of various possible Dem candidates and waiting for the big text message...suddenly our press corp was miffed at McCain because he had the audacity to take one morning and faked them out....

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    Agreed -- why the insanity? (5.00 / 10) (#236)
    by Ardeth on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:19:35 PM EST
    I don't know quite what to make of the media storm on Palin, either.

    We're Democrats.  Of course we don't like McCain's pick.  But why such an foaming at the mouth?  It sounds, yeah, scared.  And very, very defensive.  

    Is it gender politics again?  I've grown ultra sensitive to that...and I'm pretty sure that's part of it, but to me it feels as though there's something more going on.

    Cynical though I am, I thought the Democratic party would have the wisdom to put aside their differences and nominate the Dream Ticket -- Obama and Hillary in some order -- I'd have taken either one at the top of the ticket.  I was wrong.

    Seems to me the Democratic Party is still pretty seriously wounded, and this is coming out on the blogs.  Sarah Palin is the catalyst fueling the latest round of party dis-unity, and if this turmoil continues, she may end up being viewed by historians as a brilliant Republican VP choice.

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    Never (5.00 / 10) (#137)
    by justinboston2008 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:37:01 PM EST
    and the more we opine about the possibility of this, the more we endear her to the people who will decide this election.

    The focus on her lack of experience is only making her more powerful because we can be seen as hypocrites.  I feel bad for her and I am a bleeding heart liberal gay man who should be motivated to hate this person with the heat of a 1000 white hot suns.

    This is bad on many levels. I think the only way to deal with this, is to highlight her positions on important policies and give her space to flame out. There are still wounds to heal on the Dem side so matter how wonderful the unity pony show was last week. Attacking her experience is not going to win this, it will smack of sexism. Show her policy positions as not being mainstream will be the only way to win.

    Palin does not seem to be a quitter (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Prabhata on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:37:37 PM EST
    Palin didn't get where she is today by running away from a fight. Everything is possible, but I don't see it.  Her purpose is to show that she' is pro-life and willing to make a stand on those beliefs.  She stood up to the oil companies when she wanted the gas pipeline or her 2006 campaign against the Republican governor in the primary or the more experienced Democratic opponent in November.

    I'm not sure about the date... (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by EL seattle on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:41:53 PM EST
    ... that you're lookoing for here.  But I'd put the odds at Mike Huckabee talking about the left wing blogs vs. Sarah Palin - as part of his national convention speech - at about an 75% probability.

    And I'd put the odds of Huckabee listing Markos by name at that time at about even money.

    (And not in a good way.)

     

    I hope this teaches us all (5.00 / 7) (#158)
    by andgarden on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:43:48 PM EST
    to take a step back when we become a counterproductive part of the story.

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    I'm sure Madonna will be relieved if Paglia finds (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Firewalker on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:45:37 PM EST
    a new obsession.

    Now, if someone would keep whispering... (5.00 / 1) (#212)
    by EL seattle on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:10:56 PM EST
    ...to Paglia the words - "huckabee huckabee huckabee huckabee" - that's a new obsession I'd actually want to read about.

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    Acid reflux (5.00 / 17) (#165)
    by Upstart Crow on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:46:13 PM EST
    I'm sorry. This whole thing feels to me like the same thing that was done to Hillary.

    The woman is being subtly (here) and overtly pressured to drop out of the race.

    And she's barely had a chance to speak yet. She's only been in the race 3 days.

    It all feels wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Yep...Feels wrong because it is wrong (5.00 / 13) (#240)
    by Lori J on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:21:32 PM EST
    My god, her positions on the issues suck...they don't reflect mainstream thinking in in this country.   Why are so many Dems going so crazy?  (Only thing I disagree with you on, Upstart Crow, is the subtlety here...nothing subtle about a pool.) Frankly, why do WE care how deeply she was vetted?  That will come out without Dems doing the pushing and McCain will look increasingly dotty and foolish...only helpful to Obama...right?  Would Giuiliani or Huckabee with all of their baggage on the ticket be any less of an insult to the nation?   Please stop with this.

    My deep, deep concern is that we have become exactly what we've railed about for years...Rove won didn't he?   At this historic moment, I'm not fired up; I'm growing more queasy by the day...I really fear for my party.

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    There is no reason for Palin to quit (5.00 / 13) (#171)
    by Prabhata on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:48:43 PM EST
    Palin has not done anything herself to deserve the abuse being thrown her way from some blogs.

    Uh huh (5.00 / 5) (#182)
    by ks on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:57:51 PM EST
    This unhinged reaction to her is going to backfire badly.  Better to treat her as the Repubs treat Biden.  As an afterthough.

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    Drop out? (5.00 / 5) (#178)
    by ks on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:54:16 PM EST
    Seriously?  That is a bizzare question. This is one of the strangest ploys I've heard in awhile.  Also, who thinks the continual harping on Palin's experience is a good thing for Obama and I'm stunned that Obama's campaigning experience  being equated to actual governing is considered a good thing.  Really odd...

    I would have said no chance (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:58:20 PM EST
    Then I saw this quote:

    Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina said that he had heard no discussion about removing Ms. Palin from the ticket.

    If he was answering a question it means nothing. If he broached the topic on his own, Governor Sanford may have taken the first finger out of the dike.

    Mark Sanford (5.00 / 1) (#241)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:22:11 PM EST
    is an idiot. Take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

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    If McCain felt he needed her... (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by slw0606 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:06:33 PM EST

    to satisfy the Christian right and as a desparate ploy to attract disaffected Hillary Clinton voters, it will take a whole lot worse news than we have heard so far to get Palin off the ticket, and I mean a whole lot worse.

    McCain's selection of Palin indicates he thought he was losing, so he would lose for sure if he removes her from the ticket.

    Ain't going to happen.

    the most interesting and damning (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:10:11 PM EST
    article I have read is that Palin and her husband were members of an independent political party in Alaska.  The crie de coeur of that party is that Alaska should secede from the union.  That is right!! It should be its own sovereign nation and further it is their belief that Alaska was illegally annexed to the USA.  Very weird stuff and politically relevant.  

    from the reaction to Palin (5.00 / 6) (#213)
    by DandyTIger on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:10:59 PM EST
    that I've seen here and other blogs (and no, not even about the slim) and from dems on TV, I think she'll be out of the race on the evening of Nov 4th when McCain/Palin win the election. No snark.

    I do agree with this (5.00 / 3) (#227)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:17:01 PM EST
    Palin is inexperienced and that is the negative. All else she is amounts to THE Republican platform, plain and simple.  She is prolife like the Repubs; she likes guns, like the Repubs; she likes small government, like the Repubs. She is just a Repub.  

    which came first? (5.00 / 4) (#230)
    by jes on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:17:51 PM EST
    Jeralyn or dhinmi.

    I left the cheetos, then I left the Democrats, now adios amigos until after the election. I'm thinking Nader if he can get on the ballot for PA.

    10 million reasons why she won't (5.00 / 8) (#247)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:26:23 PM EST

    $10 Million Woman: Palin a Hit with GOP Donors
    McCain Campaign Raises Over $10 Million Since Palin Tapped as Running Mate
    By BRIAN ROSS
    Sept. 1, 2008

    "politics is about compromise" (5.00 / 1) (#254)
    by Andreas on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:05:43 AM EST
    Jeralyn wrote:

    politics is about compromise and it's unrealistic to expect anything else

    That is a good summary of opportunism.

    The American Revolution was not based on "compromise" and the participants also were not "unrealistic" in expecting more than "compromise."

    January 20, 2013 (5.00 / 2) (#255)
    by facta non verba on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:13:11 AM EST
    After she finishes her first term as Vice President and Hillary is sworn in as the nation's 45th President. Noon Eastern to be precise.

    She is Obama's worst nightmare (5.00 / 1) (#257)
    by Tim V on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:53:43 AM EST
    No way she drops out. Dream on Jeralyn.

    For uncensored left / right debate (5.00 / 1) (#259)
    by Tim V on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 04:06:44 AM EST
    and a much more BALANCED view of Sarah Palin try the www.hedgehogreport.com/.We have MANY thoughtful and articulate posters on the right but most of our lefty posters seem to be lacking in those qualities, so we need some folks like you to add some balance. Over here all you will hear is the left wing smear machine in action. Jeralyn, I thought you were better than this. ( go ahead, delete my comment )

    she does seem vindictive... (5.00 / 1) (#260)
    by laila on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 05:20:16 AM EST
    WASILLA KEEPS LIBRARIAN, BUT POLICE CHIEF IS OUT
    BYLINE: S.J. Komarnitsky; Daily News Mat-Su Bureau
    February 1, 1997, Saturday
    SECTION: METRO, Pg. 1B

    City librarian Mary Ellen Emmons will stay, but Police Chief Irl Stambaugh is on his own, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin announced Friday.

    The decision came one day after letters signed by Palin were dropped on Stambaugh's and Emmon's desks, telling them their jobs were over as of Feb. 13.

    The mayor told them she appreciated their service but felt it was time for a change. ''I do not feel I have your full support in my efforts to govern the city of Wasilla. Therefore I intend to terminate your employment ...'' the letter said.

    Palin said Friday she now feels Emmons supports her but does not feel the same about Stambaugh.

    As to what prompted the change, Palin said she now has Emmons' assurance that she is behind her. She refused to give details about how Stambaugh has not supported her, saying only that ''You know in your heart when someone is supportive of you.''

    The three met briefly at Wasilla City Hall Friday afternoon, and Palin called them twice at Stambaugh's home before making the decision.

    Palin said she asked Emmons if she would support efforts to merge the library and museum operations. Emmons said she would, according to Palin.

    Her conversation with Stambaugh was short, both said. He asked: ''What's the basis for this?'' and she gave no details.

    The actions have caused a stir in Wasilla, a town of about 4,600. City Councilman Nick Carney, who has been an outspoken critic of Palin, said he received several calls at his home Thursday night and Friday from outraged citizens.

    The sudden personnel shift is part of bigger problem of mismanagement in the city, he said, and may prompt a recall petition.

    ''Before, I told (people) to hold off, but now all bets are off,'' he said. ''I fail to see what good this is doing for Wasilla.''

    But Councilwoman Judy Patrick said people voted change when they elected Palin and part of that is changing who is in charge.

    Reached at home, Stambaugh said he still doesn't understand why he's been fired. ''There never was an appropriate response,'' he said. ''How did we not support the administration?''

    Now he's talking to an attorney. While both Stambaugh and Emmons serve at the mayor's pleasure, Stambaugh said he has a contract that prohibits the city from firing him without cause.

    Both Stambaugh and Emmons publicly supported Palin's opponent, long-time mayor John Stein during the campaign last fall. When she was elected, Palin questioned their loyalty and initially asked for their resignations. But Stambaugh said he thought any questions had been resolved.

    Stambaugh has headed the Wasilla Police Department since it was created in 1993. Before that, he worked 22 years with Anchorage Police Department, rising to the rank of captain before retiring.

    Emmons, who has been the city's library director for seven years, would not comment about the affair.

    Lexis/Nexis (5.00 / 1) (#262)
    by katiebird on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 08:21:04 AM EST
    Can't you access Historical data from Newspapers through Lexis/Nexis or other online indexes of newspapers?

    I've worked in public libraries since the late 1970s and even then we had ways to help people do research far-away locations without actually having to go to the local newspaper offices.

    In fact, I was TAUGHT to use Nexis/Lexis when I worked in a University's Law School Library.  So I always assumed this was a common tool for lawyers.

    I had no idea that travel was still required to access Newspaper Archives.

    I know, I know (5.00 / 1) (#267)
    by michaelkpate on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:44:48 AM EST
    January 20, 2020 - when she completes her second term in the White House. When 83-year-old former President John McCain hugs her, there won't be a dry eye in the crowd.

    Speaking for Jeralyn only (4.97 / 45) (#62)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:12:03 PM EST
    I find this post utterly offensive.

    Indeed, I disassociate myself from all of Jeralyn's posting on Sarah Palin.

    I know you disagree (5.00 / 3) (#109)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:24:52 PM EST
    Sometimes I disagree with you too. It's good to have two perspectives.

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    You know BTD (5.00 / 6) (#122)
    by ghost2 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
    I have found you clearheaded and a fresh breath of air.  

    I think Democrats' attitude to Sarah Palin disgraceful.

    One thing I find truely puzzling is what you based your support of Obama, namely the MSM's adoration of him.  After all, they are the ones bringing the War to you, and even after Obama's nomination, you have called their double standard.

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    heh. (none / 0) (#83)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:19:08 PM EST
    I thought so.

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    and I mean ever - I'm with BTD.

    Thanks.

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    If she did drop out, it would (4.28 / 7) (#4)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:39:21 PM EST
    be a great relief because then there would be zero risk of her ever becoming President of the United States.  I know I would sleep better.

    same here (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:42:10 PM EST
    I trust the radical right less than Bush. And that's saying something since I don't trust Bush at all.

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    I always thought Bush is the radical right, no? (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:52:55 PM EST
    More like the Radical Wrong (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by rdandrea on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:24:33 PM EST
    n/t

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    Won't happen. (4.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Grace on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
    I'd be more willing to bet, if McCain/Palin are elected and something happens to McCain, Palin will be somehow "Spiro Agnewed" from the Presidential lineup.  

    Wow!  Check this out:  wikipedia Spiro Agnew.  She has almost the same experience that Agnew had when he became VP.  Maybe McCain picked her as an insurance policy against impeachment?  

    Quite a choice. (3.00 / 4) (#26)
    by TChris on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:14 PM EST
    McCain can dump Palin from the ticket and alienate his base or he can keep Palin and alienate the independent voters who will lose faith in his judgment. Lacking a good alternative, I think he'll have a public meltdown.  Can we have a pool on the meltdown date?

    he won't dump her (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:06:23 PM EST
    If she goes, she will insist it's her decision

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    She'll insist it was her decision, (none / 0) (#134)
    by scribe on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:35:51 PM EST
    even though McCain is making all the decisions about the campaign.

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    If McCain were making all the decisions (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:11:18 PM EST
    in the campaign, Lieberman would be the VP candidate.

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    pool or pass (none / 0) (#2)
    by christinep on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:37:54 PM EST
    I'll pass on a pool guess for now. If dropping out is on the horizon, we'll know shortly. Otherwise, her speech this week and the VP debate will get lots of attention, won't they?

    The religous right (none / 0) (#12)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:42:50 PM EST
    have to much power over him, he won't drop her, they will say their GOTV will be able to handle it, it won't since he has no ground game, but he is stuck with her.

    He drops her he loses for sure, as the evangelicals would pull away, keeping her gives him the hope that something, anything may happen.

    but its to late now, she ain't going anywhere, and McCain is stuck.


    New information about Palin (none / 0) (#24)
    by piedmont on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:48:40 PM EST
    Now comes word that Sarah Palin belonged to a group that wanted to secede from the US.
    Country first!

    http://www.hinessight.com

    I begin to empathize with Alaskans (5.00 / 11) (#71)
    by Cream City on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:15:19 PM EST
    as the way this country is behaving in this campaign, secession soon may be a good option.  Of course, like Alaska, I'm lucky -- I'm also next to Canada.  Such a nice, sane, and civil country compared to this.  I mean, moose behave better.

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    I'm just going to go hide (5.00 / 9) (#117)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:27:43 PM EST
    in the mountains. Maybe some day the US will right it's self. I thought the last 8 were bad, but geeze, the past 10 months have been unbelievable.

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    This party's motto, (none / 0) (#246)
    by eustiscg on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:25:37 PM EST
    I kid you not, is "Alaska First--Alaska Always."  You can't make this stuff up!

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    I'll play, though I doubt it'll happen. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Pegasus on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:49:47 PM EST
    Sept. 18th.

    does anyone else think of Harriet Miers (none / 0) (#30)
    by Lil on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 09:50:46 PM EST
    with this nod to Palin. Not ready for primetime, in other words, the onslaught.

    not at all (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:08:16 PM EST
    Harriet is a colleague of mine and I defended her nomination repeatedly to the Supreme Court, based on her record.

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    What got Harriet, who was way underestimated (5.00 / 2) (#245)
    by andrys on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:22:53 PM EST
    was the uncovering of her early papers in which she was very sympathetic to abortion and was involved in many groups that focused on women's issues.

      She had definite sympathy with the downtrodden (a no-no in Republican circles).  I was impressed when I read about her earlier background.

     A woman who headed a huge law firm, she was no dummy.  How often do we see that?   I think her letters to W were part of her smartness actually (she knew how he liked that kind of backpatting), and it almost paid off.  

     Once her earlier more 'socialistic' tendencies were uncovered, the conservatives marched on Bush and surrounded him and Harriet was gone...

     I always regretted that.

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    I actually wish her nomination had suceeded, (none / 0) (#72)
    by Lil on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:15:59 PM EST
    I'm talking about the hounds (mostly media) were never gonna let it happen.

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    It wasn't the media (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by Manuel on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:44:45 PM EST
    It was the same people that support Palin.

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    I don't think Miers' nomination. . . (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:16:00 PM EST
    was challenged on the grounds of her experience.  While it's true that she wasn't a sitting judge that's certainly not a requirement for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I think Bush nominated her because he knew and liked her personally and presumably because he thought she would be a loyal vote for his positions at least while he was in office.

    Her nomination faltered because the right wing of the Republican party wasn't convinced that she was sufficiently doctrinaire to meet their requirements.

    Palin seems to me to be almost the opposite -- someone largely unknown to McCain whose primary positive attribute is her dedication to right-wing doctrine over common sense and thus someone who will consolidate his position on the loony right.

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    I agree with all this (none / 0) (#95)
    by Lil on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:21:48 PM EST
    I'm just referring to someone being nominated that may not be able to withstand the onslaught.

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    To be fair to Miers. . . (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:33:41 PM EST
    I don't think it was she who couldn't withstand the onslaught but rather Bush.  She always struck me as a good deal tougher than he is -- but I think she was really born in Texas, wasn't she?

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    OK I see Ineed to be very specific. (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Lil on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:42:58 PM EST
    I mean her "nomination" couldn't stand the onslaught as opposed to the person herself. That was my uriginal thought...the essence of my thought.

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    I don't know whose decision it was (none / 0) (#149)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:39:56 PM EST
    But yes, Harriet could withstand any onslaught. She's tough and she's smart.

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    Calls to drop out (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:08:33 PM EST
    pots/pools to when she does, she's a woman, her uterus will destroy mankind....all sounds Clintonian-during-the-primary to me.

    Harriet got duped by the neocons themselves.  They put her through the meatgrinder.  Gosh, I doubt EVER a woman can make it to pres when you have BOTH sides of the major parties behaving like this.

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    What does her being a woman (5.00 / 1) (#224)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:16:18 PM EST
    have to do with calls to drop-out? Seriously.

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    you know people (none / 0) (#46)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:04:55 PM EST
    need to stop saying that Bloggers can't say something because it may or may not be bad for dems to say,

    TL isn't a Democratic mouth piece, no one is going to quote TL and say this is what democrats are saying.

    Correct, I speak (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:12:13 PM EST
    as a citizen and a voter and only for myself. I'm not even an activist, let alone a strategist. But I do know a media storm when I see one.

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    So I have a ? (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:51:08 PM EST
    When Jeralyn or Markous goes on TV, and supports/supported their candidate, they are not 'mouthpieces' for the Democratic party?

    I am not saying they are on the DNC payroll, but at the VERY least, when Jeralyn went on MSNBC and spoke about the primaries, and how TL was one of the few big blogs that tilted HRC, can't even on a very minute level be thought of as a mouthpiece for Democratic voters/policies?

    Maybe mouthpiece is too strong.  How about a view from a blog that right now stand at about 24 million hits?

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    If Palin and the Mccain campaign (none / 0) (#111)
    by clio on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:26:19 PM EST
    were wise Palin would "reluctantly" withdraw tomorrow citing heretofore undisclosed obligations.  Stop the bleeding and gin up renewed excitement over "Who's the VP?"
    But I don't think they're that wise.

    If the Republican party had bold and courageous leaders they'd break the strangle hold of the fundies and neocons now, accepting current losses to prevent future annihilation.
    But Republican leadership is neither bold nor courageous.

    If I had any luck at all Sarah Palin would drop out on Friday which happens to be my birthday - thank you, but don't ask - so I could get a TalkLeft whatever.
    But I've never had that kind of luck.

    Still every day Palin remains on the ticket is an expanding self-inflicted disaster for Republicans.  With Hurricanes Gustav, Hanna, Ike, and (forming) Josephine in the South and Typhoon Sarah in the North perhaps my luck is better than I thought.

    All comments referencing (none / 0) (#130)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:34:14 PM EST
    personal or family issues have been deleted. There is a zero tolerance ban on repeating it here. This is about Palin's record, lack of record, position on issues and official conduct while in office.

    Jeralyn you must practice what you preach (5.00 / 10) (#187)
    by Saul on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:59:51 PM EST
    The MoDo post you posted was a personal attack on Palin by MoDo  For your restrictions on no personal attacks on Palin to have any credibility you must ban all attacks from all sources whether direct by a commenter on TL or by you bring it in to  try to show that you are not doing it but MoDo is doing it.  By allowing it in you are allowing others to see the personal attacks of others which looks like a funny way  way of  you to bring in a personal attack so your own commenter can see it.  You also allowed the Diddy you tube to be viewed which was a blatant personal attack on Plain.   This is a blatant double standard.

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    The ban began today (none / 0) (#228)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:17:11 PM EST
    on discussing her family and children with the news revelations. MoDo's article wasn't about that and was yesterday. That was about sexism in the media and I pointed it out to show it does exist.

    All of my criticism of Palin is based on her record, her lack thereof, that she's under investigation for official misconduct and especially, her stance on issues. I expect readers to do the same.

    I don't engage in personal attacks. When others post them here and I see them, I delete them. That doesn't mean I can't point them out from time to time.

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    Ok: My pick is Friday, Sept 12th (none / 0) (#154)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:42:40 PM EST
    It has to be sooner rather than later so the campaign can regroup but now that the press has gone to Alaska, her membership in the Alaska secessionist group has been revealed, Troopergate, she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it, etc., she'll be encouraged to leave.

    She'll drop out for 'personal reasons'. It'll be Friday to try and blunt the negative coverage.

    September 10th is the day she will drop out (none / 0) (#164)
    by lawyerjim on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 10:45:46 PM EST
    then she will be replaces the next day by Rudy "9/11" Giuliani.

    wow, that would be awful (5.00 / 1) (#239)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:21:27 PM EST
    very clever of him though. Would Dobson and the radical right go for Rudy? There was talk in a Nov. 2007 National Review article of Rudy picking Sarah Palin to appease them. (11/6/07, it was a political science professor making a prediction.)

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    Just a thought (none / 0) (#194)
    by Pianobuff on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:03:17 PM EST
    Given McCain's personality, mightn't all the scrutiny just strengthen his resolve (so long as Palin is as tough as reputed)?  Say what you will, but a few days of heat is nothing like 5.5 years in a prison....just saying....

    If Palin was a man and (none / 0) (#243)
    by byteb on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:22:40 PM EST
    everything else remained the same, of course, a Democrat would make a statement about Palin being inexperienced.
    BTW,McCain and many Democrats made a huge deal about Obama's lack of experienc, was that sexist or was that making an argument that might hold weight?

    republicans too egomanical to admit mistakes (none / 0) (#256)
    by pluege on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:39:17 AM EST
    ergo, Palin stays on untill the bitter end.

    The media elitists and left wing bloggers attacks (none / 0) (#258)
    by Tim V on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 03:55:53 AM EST
    try as they might, will only cause the American people to rally to her defense. Please continue your attacks.

    September 5 (none / 0) (#261)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 07:15:45 AM EST
    Seems like a nice day to withdraw.

    Logic vs. Mad Hatter Territory (none / 0) (#264)
    by Deborah White on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:15:25 AM EST
    Logic says it's inevitable that Palin will drop out... but her nomination is, in itself,  less than logical, so I'm not sure. We're now in Alice in Wonderland/Mad Hatter fantasy territory.

    If she does drop out, shouldn't it be bfore her convention speech, which is scheduled for Wednesday, Sept. 3? Otherwise, she could deliver such a barn-burner of a speech that the religious right base would be irrevocably infuriated if she was subsequently force to drop out.

    Palin will fade away (none / 0) (#265)
    by lousy1 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:15:58 AM EST
    After the completion of her second term in 2021

    Call me anything, just don't misspell my name, (none / 0) (#271)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 10:53:33 AM EST
    is my guess.  Governor Palin is resuscitating the near corpse that is the McCain campaign. Billions in free media coverage, to boot. The Republicans and their media allies are in full spin, using every tactic and counter-tactic.  All criticism is off limits, even clear-cut evidence of hypocrisy.  Unless photos appear of clubbing baby seals, her parka stays in the ring.  

    Don't freak out about the AIP (none / 0) (#273)
    by progressiveinvolvement on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:38:02 AM EST
    There are lots of these state parties around the country.  In fact, Walter Hickel was elected Governor of Alaska on the AIP ticket several years ago.  

    The AIP doesn't advocate for secession.  They advocate for a vote.  Some want to join Canada.  Some want to form a separate nation.  Some want to stick with the US, but with more state autonomy.  

    See Alaska Daily News threads on Palin (none / 0) (#274)
    by Christy1947 on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:52:56 PM EST
    to see what Alaskans think. www.adn.com. There is a long thread about the Legislative investigation and various other subjects Alaskans are posting about respecting Palin, right now, and there may be others available to be read, as well as an archive of articles on Gov. Palin. Might be useful for all to take a peek at that or something similar from another large AK newspaper to see how they are seeing it. They know her better right now than we do and have known her for longer.  Just a thought.

    re #130 (none / 0) (#275)
    by Tim V on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 09:21:04 PM EST
    Jeralyn said...
    There is a zero tolerance ban on repeating it here. This is about Palin's record, lack of record, position on issues and official conduct while in office.

    Then why link to such trash articles as the Mo Dowd piece ?


    elng7 (none / 0) (#276)
    by dodofadel on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 06:03:42 PM EST