Can't Get Drunk On Hope Alone: DNC Orientation Video

Westword is Denver's award-winning, alternative, free weekly paper. It has a section devoted to the Democratic Convention, called Demver. Today's irreverent orientation video is by its "resident fake drunk cowboy" and friends at Wrist Deep Productions.

Given all the anger in the comments here today on serious subjects, hopefully it will make everyone lighten up a bit. This is an open thread.

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    Hard not to be angry (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:29:34 PM EST
    links must be in html format (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:33:51 PM EST
    and while it's an open thread, this is hardly in the spirit of keeping it a little lighter. Please leave the race-baiting topics out of here.

    that wasn't (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:39:47 PM EST
    about race.


    it's about how Obama supporters look at feminism.

    i'm not in the mood for lightheartedness so maybe i should spend some time in parking lot "J."


    thanks for trying to fight the good fight anyway, (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Valhalla on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:41:37 PM EST

    as I just told you in another thread (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:41:43 PM EST
    which you probably haven't seen yet, if you are so troubled by what you read at other sites, tell them about it rather than bringing it here.

    Here's the thing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:17:05 PM EST
    I don't feel the need to take it to other blogs that I've been visitting lately because I, with no doubts whatsoever, know where they stand on the issue.

    And in this case, the issue is dailykos.


    I have to bite my tongue there. (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by Fabian on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:53:13 PM EST
    because I really, really want to mock them.  "Feminist entitlement"?  It sounds exactly like something my pet right wing blogger would say.  She's a freakin' true believer so she's hardly a moderate.

    The primaries showed us what is socially acceptable.  Perceived racism?  Prepare to be shredded.  Blatant sexism?  Worry not, your buddies will all defend you.


    SUSA: McCain 50-44 in Florida (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dan the Man on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:42:34 PM EST
    I'm shocked, shocked I say (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:48:56 PM EST
    Not really. You reap what you sow and this is definitely a result of the DNC gerryrigging the election to crown Obama.

    Does anyone else find Bill Clinton's phrase (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Cream City on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:43:09 PM EST
    as the qualifier at the end of this quote to be . . . interesting?  Wouldn't the sentence ordinarily have ended after "President"?

    I think everybody's got a right to run for President who qualifies under the Constitution.

    Hehe (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:45:40 PM EST
    Not in your wildest dreams. :)

    I didn't say it. Bill Clinton did. (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by Cream City on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:49:10 PM EST
    Can you respond to that?

    Me, I'm not a dreamer anymore.  The Dems are turning their sure thing into a nightmare.  Doesn't matter to me, as I'm not in a swing state anymore, either.  (Wish somebody would tell Obama that, though, so they'd run all those @#$%! ads somewhere else.)

    As for the nightmare: Zogby just came in with McCain ahead, too.  It's Zogby, yeh.  But maybe that Gallup poll a few days ago wasn't an outlier.  Maybe it was a harbinger.


    Sure (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:09:22 PM EST
    What I meant is that I think there's no chance he was hinting at that particular issue.  That's not to say that No Quarter might not hit a home run if they keep swinging for the fences!

    To me, what he was saying was nothing more than a version of the standard Obama supporter argument for his qualifications - i.e. you say "he's such an unqualified nominee," and they say "that's like totally false dude, he's 35 years old and a natural-born citizen!"  In other words, BC is just stating a truism here, that anyone who is able to run can run.

    Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Clintons had some sort of secret disqualifying information - don't you think they would have brought it out before now?


    If I were truly Evil (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by Fabian on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:45:05 PM EST
    and I wanted to see someone really fall painfully on their face, I'd wait until the point of no return and then I'd expose them.  You take down the intended victim and the victim drags a good chunk of their supporters with them.  To do it well, you would make sure that the whole thing couldn't be tracked back to you.  In fact, you should be almost the first on the scene, offering sympathy and aid.

    Fair point (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:55:13 PM EST
    but if you could only have one, would you rather be evil or be President?  Wait, don't answer that.

    Do I get Al Gore as my VP? (none / 0) (#38)
    by Fabian on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:11:28 PM EST
    Or Hillary?

    Either one and I choose President.  I'll do something insanely foolish, get myself impeached and walk out whistling a happy tune.


    still, (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by NJDem on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:55:58 PM EST
    it was an interesting choice of words, no?

    And if anything, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement--many people on this blog qualify. I would like to add that BC did have some very nice things to say about him in the interview before he dropped the sound bite.


    I noticed that, too (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:50:02 PM EST
    and, now I read Obama is going to Hawaii on "vacation" next week...wonder if he is going to the bureau of vital statistics while he's there. HAHA!!

    October surprise, anyone??

    One must admit this has been a very lively election season considering all the topics that have been front and center.


    JavaCity....you are on a roll tonight :) (none / 0) (#23)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:19:42 PM EST
    I'm not a big fan of reading too much (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:19:01 PM EST
    into everything bill says even when it gives me a chuckle.

    I took it as a ref to his (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:44:31 PM EST
    lack of experience {Grin} You only have to be so old and born here. Nice way to avoid going more in depth about what qualifies Obama to be President.

    The Westword (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:57:14 PM EST
    is a fine newspaper.  A really good friend of mine went to work there when she left the Dallas Observer (another sister paper in the New Times family) when I left to work for the SF Weekly (yet, another New Times gig).

    I felt like the SF Weekly was the poor man's Bay Guardian.  I remember leaving that paper to work at Comerica in Palo Alto.  I still love alternative presses.  When I worked in Dallas, a lot of the advertisers minced at the adult ads in the back of the paper.

    Whether you agree or not that's what drives the paper!  The adult ads.

    & bi drives (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:02:31 PM EST
    I mean revenue wise and "pick up".  When we would get our Media Scan results and the surveys that would come in, we would just laugh at the reasons why people picked up the paper.
    Largest demographic:  Men 18-49
    Reason:  Massage and Escort ads

    Editorial was usually like 3rd or 4th.  The "Best Of" issues were SO much fun to sell and we would have BIG parties after we put the paper to bed.


    LOL!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:03:46 PM EST
    Happy protesting in your corral!

    That is hilarious!  Being from Fort Worth (Cowtown), that just resonates with me!  

    I only just got a chance to watch the Bill video (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Valhalla on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:30:54 PM EST
    just now.

    Wow, he's amazing.  Still.

    That reporter looked like a frightened rabbit, as well she should.  Of course, the only thing she really spoke up about was pushing the 'your supporters said you were racist.'  That was much abused during the campaign -- any Dem criticizing Hillary was tagged as her supporter, whether they were or not.

    I was thinking today, if there was a way, any way, to give the party the well-earned slap they have coming for tagging Bill and Hillary as racist, exploiting sexism, destroying Bill's legacy, violating the principles of Democracy (rcb mtg), and any of the other atrocities I'm missing AND still put a Dem in the WH, then I would vote Dem this year.

    But I don't see any way to do that.  You can't unring the bell.  Or in this case, you can't unwhistle the dogwhistle.

    Bill - however the GE works out, I have his real thoughts in Jan 2009 to look forward to!  Can't wait.

    Could you please post the link to the Bill video? (none / 0) (#40)
    by bridget on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:53:06 PM EST
    I have only read parts of the transcript but really would like to hear Bill Clinton tell it like it is.

    thank you, DA Burgher, I appreciate it n/t (none / 0) (#51)
    by bridget on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:03:58 PM EST
    Yes - I'm a total pessimist.. (5.00 / 0) (#28)
    by HypeJersey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:39:41 PM EST
    But regardless of who wins what, I have real doubts that we (the dems) will ever unify - I mean, for a really long time.  If Obama wins in November, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with him and with what has happened.  If Obama loses, we will continue to fight like cats and dogs, pointing the finger at each other.

    Was in my old hood today. (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by Fabian on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:22:29 PM EST
    That's where my co-op is.  Houses crowded shoulder to shoulder with tiny little yards.  The yards are not neatly tended rectangles of green grass.  They are alive with flowers and not in tidy little beds and borders.  The narrow tree lawns are sometimes planted solidly with a mish mash of flowers.  One fence was over topped with tall coreopsis.  Very tall - easily eight feet.

    No neighborhood associations to tell people what is "acceptable" so people experiment with whatever strikes their fancy.  I miss that.  Suburbia is soooo conformist.  

    Thanks Jeralyn (none / 0) (#2)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:30:33 PM EST
    That was great.  Sure do miss it out there.

    please repost your comment without the (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:40:26 PM EST
    profanity. It has to be deleted due to censor software at law firms. I'll give you a few minutes because your comment raises a point worthy of discussing.

    ok - i'm working on it. Have to figure out how... (none / 0) (#20)
    by HypeJersey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:12:04 PM EST
    to repost.  Thanks for telling me.

    Ok I just can't figure it out (none / 0) (#24)
    by HypeJersey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:22:47 PM EST
    I can't figure out how to repost the comment.  Please accept my apologies.

    Copy and post (none / 0) (#26)
    by waldenpond on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:33:32 PM EST
    just copy the text in to a fresh comment, add a new subject line and post.  The other item will be deleted.

    Thank you so much! (none / 0) (#27)
    by HypeJersey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:38:01 PM EST
    Time addresses tire guage attack (none / 0) (#21)
    by magster on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:16:30 PM EST
    in a good way.

    I'm trying to figure out (none / 0) (#29)
    by echinopsia on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:43:44 PM EST
    at what bar they filmed that. Could've been the Buckhorn.

    Has anyone heard about (none / 0) (#37)
    by kredwyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:06:52 PM EST
    some donation to Obama that was from out of the country? I heard mention of it in passing on the news as I was coming home tonight.

    Sorry Jeralyn (none / 0) (#41)
    by weltec2 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 12:40:58 AM EST
    I could not bear to watch even half of this video. I found it more annoying than anything else. I do hope that the DNC goes far smoother than I expect it to. If they alienate protesters and demonize Hillary supporters there is just going to be chaos.

    To each their own. (none / 0) (#47)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:30:31 PM EST
    As a native, there was a lot of truth to be found in the tongue-in-cheek humor.  

    The 16th Street Mall is hardly more than store after store selling cheap tourist crap.  Coors is basically a waste water plant, Colfax is pretty shady in places, etc.  



    Did anyone see Bob Herbert on Morning Joe? (none / 0) (#42)
    by kempis on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:48:53 AM EST
    Herbert was on yesterday's show, continuing his rant about the ad linking Obama with the vapid celebrities, Paris and Brittney--only he continued to assert there was a sexual subtext to scare white voters who are afraid that black men will "seduce our womenfolk" (my words, not Herbert's--but that's the gist of what he alleges the ad is about.)

    It was a disturbing appearance. Herbert seemed "off" somehow, and everyone seated around him seemed politely uncomfortable--and no one challenged him (except Pat Buchanan, of course). They all should have challenged him. He was railing against the use of "two phallic images" to open the ad: the Washington Monument and the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Herbert asked what on earth these two phallic symbols had to do with the ad, which mocked Obama's speech before the large crowd in Germany.

    Well, the problem is that the ad does not show the Washington Monument nor the Leaning Tower of Pisa. As someone did point out, cautiously, what Herbert thought was the Leaning Tower was in fact the Victory Column--which Obama spoke in front of. Someone should have then said, "Hey, that's not the Washington Monument, either. That's another shot of the Victory Column." And then someone should have answered Herbert's question, "what do these two phallic symbols have to do with Obama's speech?" by pointing out that there is one structure, not two, and its connection to the speech is not incongruous at all but very real: that's where Obama spoke to the large crowd assembled to see the celebrity politician. But no one said that. Instead they let Herbert ramble on like a drunk uncle at Thanksgiving dinner, misinforming viewers....

    Anybody else.... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:15:09 AM EST
    having trouble loading the complete main page?

    Everything on the right-hand side...links, recent comments, diaries, etc. isn't loading for me...since yesterday on 2 different computers.

    Is it just me?

    I had problems... (none / 0) (#48)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:31:53 PM EST
    ...yesterday after the post below this one was put up for some reason.  It is better today.

    Sunspots or something perhaps?


    I'm back to normal now too.... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:49:14 PM EST
    thanks Mile.

    I thought the black helicopters finally crashed the party:)


    I have a feeling,,,, (none / 0) (#50)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:34:13 PM EST
    ...that I'll be seeing the black helicopters out here real soon.  

    They already did a practice session--and of course, neglected to tell anyone.  Gave some locals quite the scare!


    I hope I don't get in trouble for (none / 0) (#45)
    by NJDem on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:14:43 AM EST
    this, but someone on another blog came across it unintentionally, and I found it pretty ironic (see right-hand side).  

    Also, what did BC mean that he'll wait until January to discuss the primary?  I mean, why not after November?  And if, as we can assume, he's going to call the media and Obama's camp out specifically, then why would he do that just as Obama is about to start his first term?  I have no answers, just food for thought...

    Guess Governor Palin Expects to Stay Governor (none / 0) (#46)
    by daring grace on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:01:12 AM EST
    and not be anointed VP candidate.

    Politico points to a press release from her office praising elements of Obama's energy plan as they relate to Alaska.


    Flagrant promotion of Alaska's interests, no question. But touchy in the midst of Veep Fever Days which is why it's apparent Palin has zero expectation of Veep-dom and instead is aggressively doing her current day job.

    Unless it's Obama's VP she's auditioning for...? ;)

    Still, with both candidates flogging energy proposals right now, it's fun to see a Republican reach across the aisle and be positive about the Dem nominee.