DNC Protesters Assigned to Fenced-Off Parking Lot for Obama's Speech

Denver officials announced today that the protest zone for Invesco Field where Sen. Barack Obama will deliver his nomination acceptance speech will be in the parking lot. The lot will be fenced.

The fenced-in area will be about 53,000 square feet in Lot J. Delegates entering the convention will pass by the area from between 200 and 400 feet away after they are dropped off for the night's speech by Sen. Barack Obama.

Protesters will be allowed to use bullhorns, and the city will provide a stage, amplification equipment, and at least two speakers that will be located outside the zone and pointing toward Invesco Field at Mile High.

Here's the map (pdf) showing Lot J.

In related news, the protesters are offering Denver a "doo doo accord" (pdf copy here) and yes, it's just what it sound like -- it's in reponse to the City Council's upcoming final consideration of a law banning protesters from carrying buckets of the human stuff.

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    "Congress shall make no law (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by derridog on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:36:21 PM EST
     respecting... the right of the people peaceably to assemble...."

    Why are people going along with these "free speech zones?"  We certainly didn't do that in the sixties.  Can you imagine the Civil Rights Movement? "Sorry, Mr. King, you'll have to hold this sit-in in the parking lot, surrounded by a fence and a whole lot of cops, instead of in this drug store."

    Ooohh.. bad editing (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by flashman on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:50:02 PM EST
    Makes the 1st Ammendment sound like the opposite of what it intended.  Better to put it like this:

    Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble


    You're right. Sorry. (none / 0) (#81)
    by derridog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:53:06 PM EST
    Protestors don't have a chance to be (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Aqua Blue on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:57:39 PM EST
    seen or heard these days.   And, they certainly don't get air time (or if they do it is cast in a demeaning light).

    Just like the body bags are not shown, nor other was horrors.  (It's theatre...not real, but just the war theatre...games.)

    Protest???...not in communist Russia,not in communist China, not in the USA recently.

    "These are the times that try men's souls."  (Thomas Paine)


    You Tube It (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:17:37 PM EST
    we all know about a certain senior citizen from Manhattan who staged a one-woman protest at the RBC Meeting 5/31 and is nearing, I believe, 2 million hits?

    2 million hits? That's A LOT of people.


    Good question (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Valhalla on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:37:15 PM EST
    What's to stop people from wearing, say, all the same protest-message tshirts and just walking around?

    What counts as a protest?  Signs?  Organized shouting?  Verbalized disagreement? or simply lack of sufficient enthusiasm for Obama?

    The image of that one student in China standing in front of a tank just popped into my mind.  How the U.S. admired him (as they should).  Yet seems like he'd be locked in cage pretty quick here, if he was protesting a convention instead of Communism.


    As I read it (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:50:47 PM EST
    This follows the model from my litigation in Dallas. You still have 'normal' 1st Amendment rights outside the outer, "soft" perimeter.

    Protests in the zones tend toward the formulaic. I figure to spend more time around the hotels.


    Right. I'm sure the Chinese authorities did not (none / 0) (#82)
    by derridog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:59:27 PM EST
    approve of this student's choice of locale.   That's what nonviolent, civil disobedience is all about.   Key thing: you have to be disobedient, which means you don't stay in the enclosed parking lot and, when you are arrested, you sit down and go limp.  Make the cops lift you. This takes time and effort. They may use tear-gas.  Hey bring a gas mask!  Enough people doing that (preferably while wearing your protest-message t-shirts-good idea!), you will get press coverage.  If not, you keep it up until you do.

    They got arrested in the drugstores. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:21:49 PM EST
    Yes. That was what they wanted to do -- (none / 0) (#83)
    by derridog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:06:36 PM EST
    get arrested in the drug store. They were protesting the fact that blacks couldn't sit at the counter in the drugstore!  The entire symbolism would have been lost, plus they wouldn't have pissed anybody off (an important factor), if they had been out in the parking lot with signs.

    The point is to do exactly what the authorities forbid.  


    Here we go again... (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by HypeJersey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:43:41 PM EST
    Dissent neatly partitioned away from the actual convention.  This sure smells like the same thing we've had for dinner these past 8 years...

    I understand about the doo-doo (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by samanthasmom on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:51:33 PM EST
    I've spent a good part of my life cleaning up doo-doo both the organic and the virtual kind. No doo-doo allowed is fine, but will I be able to knit? (I use bamboo needles.) Although I can't have them in the airplane cabin, I can still check my needles in my baggage. Will the "bitter knitters" be able to stage a protest? This might sound like snark, but it isn't. We have an Olympic knitting event going that we would like to continue at the convention.

    they keep shooting the unity pony (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by nellre on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:52:47 PM EST
    Where is the change I keep being told to believe in?

    A really nice change would be Hillary IN, (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:05:42 PM EST
    obama OUT....they sure as hell better hope he actually is the nominee after all the hype.  I do think Hillary would look pretty good in Invesco Field.

    This shows how broken (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by my opinion on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:53:12 PM EST
    our constitution and democracy is. Sad to see.

    And, to think the presumptive (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:16:45 PM EST
    candidate taught constitutional law. I wonder if his former students learned the old interpretation or the new.

    I assume the class covered (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:20:26 PM EST
    Ward vs Rock Against Racism 491 U.S. 781 (1989) in which the Supreme Court lowered the standard of review for regulation of Assembly to "Intermediate Scrutiny."

    (As the permit holder for the previkous year's Rock Against Racism concert in NYC's Central Park, I wrote an affidavit for the initial filing.)


    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Josey on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:04:59 PM EST
    The groups -- Unconventional Denver, Re-create 68 Alliance and the Alliance for Real Democracy -- are calling the accord a "Non-Pooliferation Treaty."

    I watch a lot of National Geographic and (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:06:37 PM EST
    Discovery TV -- and 200 to 400 ft. is the length of 10 to 20 adult Great White sharks (or several whales) placed end to end.  That's a very big distance.  They'll need amplification equipment for anyone to hear them.  

    Closer than any Convention since GOP 1984 (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:21:51 PM EST
    when I litigated to get to 175 feet.

    Well, should we be suprised? (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:07:00 PM EST
    It seems as though the DNC and a certain campaign have intentionally adopted many Rovian techniques after seeing how successful the GOP was in installing  the completely incompetent Shrub as POTUS.  

    Yes, let us cage the protesters out of sight and view of the MSM, attendees and our dear presumptive nominee.

    They still get the right of free speech, just out of sight and hearing distance of most attending the convention.

    Anyone that cares about Democracy should be concerned about this.

    Much closer than the '96 D. Convention. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:25:27 PM EST
    when the Fed Judge let Daley's cops keep us at 600 feet.

    That is interesting... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:56:54 PM EST
    are you saying the undemocratic practices were also used by Democrats before Bush II became President?  Did they study his playbook to become the Gov'ner of TX in '94?

    I was clubbed 13 times by LAPD in 2000 (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:37:20 PM EST
    for holding a "Stop the Drug War" placard in the area designated by a Federal Judge for individual expressive activity near the entrance to the  Convention. He'd set aside one space for large groups, another for individuals wothin the "soft perimeter." Finally, a US Dept of Justice uniformed Civil Rights Division officer intervened. "You can do whatever you like if you find him in an alley, but not here."

    Of the 200 or so delegates nearby, only 1, a WI State Senator, vocally objected, and a cluster of Iowa delegates cheered on the guys wailing on me.

    I'd been doing my tai chi all summer, was able to roll with the blows to avoid any injury greater than ugly bruises.

    The City settled quickly on my Civil Rights suit.  My complaint against the individual officers with the Department's Internal Affairs was denied on Sept. 12, 2001, worst news day ever, with a note saying they couldn't prove which officers had wailed on me from the photos. (Helmets, no identifying insignia.)


    Wow... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:26:34 PM EST
    I hope you write a book.

    I do not think that many Americans realize how fragile our Democracy and "freedoms" are...


    Luckily (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:10:47 PM EST
    my free speech at the ballot box won't be fenced in.

    My "free speech" may be zoned off but not my ability to exercise it on a more muscular level when I vote.

    I guess you don't live... (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by OxyCon on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:22:06 PM EST
    ...in either Florida or Michigan.

    THAT'S (5.00 / 0) (#43)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:12:06 PM EST
    a good one.  Yeah I'm in Texas...where Pelosi and Dean were chest-thumping thinking that Boyd Richie, Dem party chair, can actually get TX into play for Obama (insert Danny Thomas spit-take here).

    Hillary and Obama primary votes combined don't even equal 1/2 of what Bush got here in 2004.

    Obama? Take Texas?  Uuuuuuuuuu betcha!


    I am in TX also (none / 0) (#69)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:31:06 PM EST
    Obama had his day in the caucuses...  many Dems, including me, are turned off to the man just based on what happened here.  

    There is no way he will win TX...  Wait, that is unless we can prove that McCain is an ax murdering polygamist...


    Oh, I don't know -ax murdering might be okay. (none / 0) (#84)
    by derridog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:33 PM EST
    Do they put barbed wire (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:33:53 PM EST
    on top of the fences?  

    And, are the fences designed to keep (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:36:09 PM EST
    people out or in?  

    Enquiring minds want to know.  


    and will there be (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by weltec2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:04:28 PM EST
    a guard at the gate to check that we washed under our fingernails and behind our ears... reminds me of a song by Richard and Mimi Farina.

    Maybe, (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:34:19 PM EST
    They'll tatoo them first....

    Seriously, I do not like the idea of caged protesters.  Whoever thought this was appropriate should be voted out.  

    Protestors should be free to roam, just like the wild animals do.  To cage them is crazy.  


    The protesters can fake that they are protesters (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by Saul on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:47:34 PM EST
    and go into the field.  If you wanted to have an impact then why would  give yourself away that you are a protester so you can be fenced off into a parking lot.  Whats to keep them from using this to get onto the field.

    What constitutes protest? (none / 0) (#41)
    by weltec2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:10:12 PM EST
    Is there something written down somewhere so that the boundaries between protest and compliance are clearly drawn? Is it arbitrary? Is it up to the guard or guards on duty?

    If you got a bullhorn in your hand yes (none / 0) (#44)
    by Saul on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:14:41 PM EST
    the guards will put you in the parking lot.

    More likely (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:58:06 PM EST
    you won't be able to get into the soft perimeter without Convention credentials, except for a fenced lane leading to the protest pit . Outside the outer perimiter, the City's normal bullhorn permit and large group permit regulations would apply, but you can hang around with signs, leaflets without permits.

    No ticket... (none / 0) (#80)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    ...no admission.  Same as any other event at Invesco.  

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:15:21 PM EST
    I had scheduled PTO from work to go to Denver to raise some he11 but if they are going to do this forget it.

    What's that old Cole Porter song, "Don't Fence Me In"???   David Byrne (of Talking Heads) did a great cover of it YEARS ago on Red, Hot and Blue.

    And if some protesters... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by EL seattle on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:35:12 PM EST
    ...dressed up like Gene Autry ride around the perimeter on pantomime horses singing that tune, what'll they do then?

    If I lived in Denver (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:23:43 PM EST
    I'd be a protestor -- maybe.  

    I don't know if I really would or not because protesting is hard work and I like to take the easy way out.  I'd be a complainer, which is what I am here.  ;-)

    A vocal complainer.  

    My mother used to be a protestor.  She tried to climb over the walls to the White House years ago.  I was just a kid at the time but I remember sitting in the Secret Service shack because they had carted my mother off to St. Elizabeth's mental hospital.  After that, my father and I spent four lovely days touring the museums in Washington due to my mother's status as an "inmate."

    If I had to pick a "claim to fame" for my family, it was the fact my mother wanted to talk to Teddy Kennedy -- and she managed to catch him outside of the Senate offices.  She rode up in the Senate elevator with him (while my father and I had to take the public elevator) and when we got up to his office, my mother was sitting on one of the chairs in the outer office.  We sat around for awhile, until someone came out and said "Senator Kennedy is going out of town and won't have time to see you."  So, reluctantly we left.  

    Two days later, Chappaquiddick was in the newspapers.  

    Anyway, those are some hard family memories.  My mother was always a fighter.  She was a Hillary Clinton style fighter who always took on the challenge no matter how much the deck was stacked against her.  

    At the time, she was protesting something that is in the news today -- which is the fact that the federal government has to "allow" soldiers and their families to sue the federal government for damages their doctors cause.  You need to get government approval to sue for medical malpractice.  And that is what my mother was fighting over.

    I wish I was of "protestor stock" but I saw how little my mother accomplished and to great embarrassment to our family.  Hardly anyone had a "protestor" mom back in the late '60s and early '70s.  But my mother would not back down, she could not back down...  She just kept on going and going.  She fought for everything she saw as an injustice to anyone.  If you told her a sad story, she'd take up your cause and she'd fight for it.  

    Anyway, it makes me sad that they think people like my mom should be fenced in.  Maybe it would help if they listened to them once in awhile?      

    Grace, your mom is a hero (none / 0) (#63)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:42:21 PM EST
    I wish I knew her.

    Pssst don't tell anybody (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by echinopsia on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:52:36 PM EST
    but protesters are not going to be satisfied being herded into corrals to make it easier for the police to beat them up and arrest them.

    Denver is a biiiiig city. Delegates are staying all over town. They can't keep people away from all public places.

    There are ways to get around this. Expect to see a lot of guerrilla protesters.

    thanks to sen. obama's vile (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by cpinva on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:09:20 AM EST
    primary campaign, the DNC, and the antics of the denver police and gov't officials, i fear this is going to be a replay of the '68 chicago convention.

    sen. obama and the DNC should be congratulated, for somehow managing to snatch defeat out of the near certain jaws of victory. it will take another 20 years for the democratic party to recover from them.

    thanks guys, thanks a whole bunch.

    What is the protest about? (2.66 / 3) (#12)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:58:21 PM EST
    People keep talking about a protests, and though there is a lot of stuff worth protesting, I don't understand what the goal of it is?  Does anyone know?  Who is leading it?

    A protest for the sake of protest is as stupid meeting for the sake of a meeting.  It is just a plane waste of time.

    Odd that you are ignorant of who is (4.25 / 4) (#27)
    by Valhalla on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:33:05 PM EST
    protesting or the reasons they are protesting, yet feel free to criticize.

    Not critizing anything (none / 0) (#34)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:41:26 PM EST
    Just wondering what the protest was about.  As outside of the word "protest" I haven't heard what the message is (and I do read a lot of news).  I am certainly one to get behind a protest, assuming there is a message and a goal I a agree with.

    For example, I can imagine protesting FISA, or at least supporting people protsting it (I am sorta far away from denver and gas prices ar high).  But like most things good intentions do not equal worth while activity.   Thus I was asking about the protest, what is the goal, etc.


    I'm bringing a huge (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:27:17 PM EST
    STOP GOVERNMENT SPYING" banner. Not sure I want to work the same space tho.

    Are you one of many voices or is there a (none / 0) (#28)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:33:28 PM EST
    a unifying goal (this is not an attack- honest question)?

    Your decision to stand away from a group of people that is thinking about bring buckets of feces speaks very well of you :)


    The problem with the "Zone' (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:03:55 PM EST
    You're viewed as part of an undifferentiated protest with every other group/presence in the corral. (Each with their own bullhorn?)

    There's always some sort of 'coalition' effort, which just means really tedious meetings, etc. I gave that up in 1980.

    Soooo... I'm just trying to round up a few folks to help keep the Privacy banner afloat, without getting caught up in pro- or anti- Obama debate.


    if you followed my link you would see (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:37:08 PM EST
    the quote:

    "We're hoping this puts everything poo-related behind us so that we can focus on the real issue, which is the fact that the Democrats are part of a crappy system oppresses and coerces communities into a capitalist economy and undemocratic government," Ben Yager, a member of Unconventional Denver, a group of self-described anarchists, said in a statement.

    I didn't follow the link (none / 0) (#36)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:48:26 PM EST
    Thanks for point that out.  However, I still don't really understand what the goal is other then getting rid of the system completely because it is "corrupt".   It seems a pit pie in the sky. If that is the goal, and the message it seems like they are confusing a vision of what they want, "getting rid of the corrupt system", with actionable goals that one can implement via protest and that Joe and Jane Doe tax payer can get behind.  

    How about instilling (none / 0) (#70)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:35:36 PM EST
    democratic principles back into the DNC?  That is worth raising your voice for.

    Given the 37 million people (none / 0) (#78)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:48:31 AM EST
    That partipated in the democratic primary, I don't see it as missing.

    Did you participate in a caucus? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Leisa on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:03:45 PM EST
    No I live in MI (none / 0) (#89)
    by samtaylor2 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 09:24:04 AM EST
    And was told before by the powers that be that my vote wouldn't count so I stayed home and studied.

    Enough said (none / 0) (#90)
    by Leisa on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
    Please read the constitution. (none / 0) (#79)
    by my opinion on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 01:13:48 PM EST
    the topic is the protesters (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:38:54 PM EST
    gratuitous insults to Obama have been deleted. Don't bother posting them.

    No irony intended, I'm sure ;-) (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 07:59:59 PM EST
    As for the protesters, I must say that I'm feeling pretty fenced off from the party myself this year.  But that was by my choice, so I'm not complaining.

    I look forward to the day when the party democratizes its primary and treats its voters with respect.  


    Eeek! Mine was deleted (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:02:26 PM EST
    but it wasn't directed towards Obama.  I was referring to the whole DNC who seem to feel they can do without the Clinton wing of the party (since I'm sure some of those protestors will be Clinton supporters).  

    My... what a surprise (none / 0) (#18)
    by weltec2 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:10:46 PM EST
    I've never been deleted before. I apologize for becoming insulting.

    Try being banned (none / 0) (#48)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:22:58 PM EST
    BTD can let Obama being called an a55hole stand as a comment right now on a diary thread but because I asked him if he would take my laptop away because he told me to "watch my step" while making comments on one of his diaries I get banned.

    So for now, I am sort of, corraled on Talk Left.  Don't worry Jeralyn.  I won't be slinging poop at you.  But I find it hypocritical on its face that I didn't cuss or call anyone a name but get banned, while profane name calling is OKEYDOKEY.


    I didn't delete any of your comments (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:48:11 AM EST
    Can't find it.... (none / 0) (#77)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:02:14 AM EST
    I was clearing out OT threads to give more room to on topic items, so it was me who was deleting comments yesterday.

    I search for profanity, so if there was a statement with @sshole, it is deleted.  If the person uses symbols, it gets past my search.  Which item was it in?  


    I can relate... (none / 0) (#86)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:29:18 PM EST
    ...having gotten banned for a day simply for pointing out to a certain someone that they were calling people names when they make a big deal about not being able to call people names.  

    Two sets of rules around here apparently.


    More Than Two Sets, IMO (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:30:08 PM EST
    Perfect song Jeralyn... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Leisa on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:17:19 PM EST

    Stay on topic (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:38:56 PM EST
    and Edger '08 stop the race baiting or I'll suspend you. If you so object to what you read on other sites, tell them, don't bring it over here.

    You can respond by e-mail. This thread is for the topic of the protesters.

    Protests have certainly changed (none / 0) (#37)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 08:55:39 PM EST
    The only protest I did not see happen that I have a difficult time forgiving that it didn't happen, was the 2000 election when I hoped the nation would rise up.  

    I support any non violent protest. Even in a parking lot 400 feet away.  At least you're doing something.

    They certainly have.... (none / 0) (#60)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:36:48 PM EST
    I remember well the march of thousands from the UW, onto I-5 where traffic was completely blocked while the protesters made their way to downtown Seattle. It was against the VietNam war, and being American, where that was allowed (and effective) was really fantastic.

    No cable entertainment news to muddy the intent of protests with endless, pointless, and completely missing the mark analysis of what motivated the crowds.


    It was never legal to take over the Interstate, (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:39:20 PM EST
    but doable.

    They got away with it (none / 0) (#66)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:07:26 PM EST
    whether legal, or not, so "it was allowed" :)

    I should see if there's any footage of that event on YouTube.

    There were so many people on that march, it would have been impossible for the city/state to push the illegal aspect. It was safer for all to just let them walk to their destination and not agitate a crowd that big.


    More than once (none / 0) (#67)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:14:17 PM EST
    There was a huge protest against Bush in 2000 in (none / 0) (#85)
    by derridog on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:18:25 PM EST
    DC, as I recall --I think it was during his inauguration but can't remember exactly.  Michael Moore documented it in Fahrenheit 911.  The MSM failed to show it to us. What a surprise.  If the MSM would do its job, it wouldn't matter if the authorities put protestors in a pen.  The MSM could cover it and point out that it is unconstitutional not to let the American people have free speech whereever they happen to be standing. But the Media are bought and sold, so there's little hope there.

    Is there someone coordinating... (none / 0) (#42)
    by EL seattle on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 09:11:29 PM EST
    ... the marches and protests?  

    I'd love to see a run-down of the various groups that will be trying to make their voices heard as the convention progresses.  A mega-event like this can attract a lot of concerned local citizens, national ognizations, and travelling axe-grinders, but they don't all necessarily play well with each other.

    Delegates' Free Speech? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:13:13 PM EST
    Delegates have not been allowed bring in placards at least at the '96 and '00 D. Conventions, and the official materials are always printed on both sides.

    A California Delegate told me in '96 shed improvised a "Medical Marijuana sign with lipstick, only to be roughly grabbed buy the private security guards Daley had hired as muscle, and her sign destroyed.

    Free Speech grades for past conventions (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:53:13 PM EST
    I'm only listing those at which I was present...

    For several, The tone started okay, but declined as officers got grumpy after long shifts in the sun and heat.

    1976 GOP KC A-
    1976 D NYC B+
    1984 GOP Dallas B+
    1980 D NYC B
    1988 GOP New Orleans C
    1996 D Chicago C
    2004 R NYC C- *
    1972 R Miami Beach R D+
    2000 D LA D
    2000 R Phila F

    * Monday, the pre-emptive mass arrests clearly F, but the Saturday before the Convention, and the last night, the NYPD contained, but didn't impede, expressive activity.

    From 1972 to 1988, we'd been able to win use of some public space or other as a campsite, what with all hotels being tied up. Litigation for the '92 D Convention broke that string. In some there was a formal permit for camping, others a tacit agreement with the Police Chief or Mayor.

    Nothing new, unfortunately (none / 0) (#72)
    by arky on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:56:59 AM EST
    I attended the 2004 Convention in Denver. There was a "free speech zone" that was fenced in as well.
    <img src="http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/19278/1170961617038811191S200x200Q85.jpg" alt=""Free Speech Zone"">
    However, you did feel like you were running the gauntlet when lining up to go in.
    <img src="http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/43682/1170961235038811191S200x200Q85.jpg" alt="Walking down the Protestor Gauntlet!">

    I think you mean Boston (none / 0) (#73)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:15:58 AM EST
    and please put links in html format or they skew the site. Thanks.

    I think it's right that there should be security (none / 0) (#75)
    by laurie on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:30:38 AM EST
    for peaceful old ladies protesting. After all that ivesco stadium will be filled with what is virtually a private army for Obama.

    No change (none / 0) (#76)
    by lentinel on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:35:09 AM EST
    Kerry's convention did the same thing.

    People were roped off. Caged.

    To me, this is not a good image for the democratic party.

    But, I don't suppose that it's my vote that they're after.