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    Congratulations on getting the site back up! (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by scribe on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55:33 PM EST
    We missed you.

    all I can say (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55:37 PM EST
    is I just watched the video of her accepting.
    I was impressed.  I thought she was very very good.
    if comments are correct and she is a creationist she is far from my candidate but she is pretty damn telegenic.

    Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator." She would not say whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact. "I'm not going to pretend I know how all this came to be," she said.

    All I could find on this "Creationist" theory or accusation is the above quote. So if there are cold hard facts PLEASE PRESENT them, for otherwise that's nothing but a bunch of BullHockey.

    If someone beleives in a GOD does that make them a creationist in regards to the political realm...

    HILLARY believes in GOD and is quite religious.
    Obama claims to be ...something, I forget what, but whatever...WE NEED FACTS!


    Well (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by nell on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    I remember clearly during the Dem primary faith forum when Obama said he was open to creationism being taught in schools, something to that extent, many people on this site noticed it and were upset about it...so, if obama can say it, why can't Palin?

    I have a problem with BOTH of them saying it, but I just wonder why people are selective...


    Because she will then be (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:27:16 PM EST
    pressed by Focus on the Family to follow through and push creationism in schools.
    Look I am a retired teacher in the city that is the home of Focus on the Family and New Life.  When I was teaching back in the late 80's, they started.  I was constantly being challenged by parents who were urged by Focus and New Life for teaching evolution as a part of science and not teaching creationism too.

    And they were just parents.  Focus gets someone who goes along with them that strongly and it's the Bush admin all over again when it comes to education.
    Obama may have said  he was "open to it"  to placate for the GE and I thought it was a mistake, but I do not believe the democratic party would allow him to go there.


    I didnt say she was (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:28:21 PM EST
    some other commenter said she was, I  believe I even said IF.
    I have been complimenting the lady all morning.

    Capt Howdy, you cuddly squirrel (none / 0) (#40)
    by Desired User Name on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:35:26 PM EST
    I'm sorry I didn't mean to "stick it to YOU"
    I have seen the "creationist" thing mentioned previously on either this thread or a previous one and I clicked your comment to reply too...

    I did read your "IF" :=} And I meant in my reply that someone needs to present facts. Not necessarily YOU, but if she is a Creationist like that wacky HUCKABEE, it needs to be posted loud and clear on TL!!!

    I like the name "Capt Howdy", makes me grin every time I see it.


    Desired User Name (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:54:58 PM EST
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    I like cuddly squirrel (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:04:45 PM EST
    no harm no foul.  seen worse today.
    a link to her supposed creationism is posted in the next thread.
    I have not explored it yet.

    Palin compared to Eagleton? (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:56:55 PM EST
    What did I miss?

    Sen. McCain's decision to pick Gov. Palin as his running mate was nothing short of brilliant, in my opinion.  When I first saw the AP article, I though, who the heck?  But her speech was energizing and in-your-face.  She brings a youthful spunkiness to the McCain ticket.  Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, indeed.

    I read about her months ago, a trial balloon (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:11:23 PM EST
    AP story if ever I saw one.  Wrote about it here, too.  She was not the surprise.  McCain was, having the guts to go with this.  And having no leaks at all.

    And the GOP also played this well with the media, giving them the heads-up more than a week ago that the announcement would be today, a perfectly timed day for it even though it was a Friday.  But they got it done in the morning, no news dump.  And not at 3 in the morning by text-message.

    Obama's camp had better get going fast.  He got a new message -- the old Dem message -- out last night, and he better figure out how to get it in the headlines again.


    Biden should now do debate prep (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:58:05 PM EST
    with Amy Klobuchar.

    I'll raise you one son in Iraq! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:59:15 PM EST
    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:11:10 PM EST
    It is going to be very hard to train Biden for that debate.  Very, very hard.

    I expect him to come off looking like an @ss (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:14:10 PM EST
    no matter what.

    BIDEN will be minding his loafers (none / 0) (#29)
    by Desired User Name on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:16:18 PM EST
    and wearing a chastity belt over his mouth to prevent said loafer from residing in said mouth.

    It's going to be very rough for him.
    As I said in an earlier thread, Biden now has a tremendous amount of weight on his shoulders.


    Palin is a game changer (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by nell on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:00:00 PM EST
    She may be pro-life, but she is also a feminist:

    Mark Halperin writes on The Page:
    -She is very adept at juggling work and family. When daughter Piper was born during her Wasilla mayoralty, she returned to the office the following day. A trim runner, she did not announce news of her most recent pregnancy (with Trig, born April 18) until her seventh month. According to Palin, "To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." Her older children are Track, Bristol, and Willow.

    I think you are going to see her swing a lot of women....the single mom vote that Hillary SWEPT in the primaries (with higher turnout than ever before) may very well go to Sarah Palin. This woman has appeal.

    lol!~ (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:55:48 PM EST
    I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave

    She probably could too!


    shows you how much excitement has (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by TimNCGuy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:03:43 PM EST
    been added to the campaign today.  Your server has been crashing (for me anyway) all afternoon.  I don't recall that happening for any other recent events.

    It crashed this week (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:07:37 PM EST
    when the convention was exciting.  That was Senator Clinton's night. :-)

    Who is Senator Clinton?????? (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Desired User Name on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:18:32 PM EST
    Oh wait, I remember! She is the person who won 18million votes and is the woman who got passed over for POTUS and for VP

    who everyone from Dean to Pelosi will be begging on hands and knees to HELP THEM bale out their "Chosen One".

    Is that who we are talking about?

    [love you hillary...deep admiration, respect and LOVE, lubbalubbalubba LUV love!!!]


    And let (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:47:01 PM EST
    me tell you, this p*sses me off to no end. I'm sick and tired of hearing how someone else, especially Hillary, is supposed to carry Obama over the finish line. If we have such a weak candidate then why the heck did we nominate him? Everytime they start this Hillary that or Bill that they might as well stamp loser on Obama's forehead.

    Newsweek has an article up that says Obama just lost the election.


    Margaret Chase Smith is smiling (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:06:29 PM EST
    down.  The GOP, after all, was the first to have a woman nominated for president -- 44 years ago.

    And that roll call was not cut short by the GOP, as the Dems did this week.

    And thank you, Gov. Palin, for thanking Ferraro and Clinton -- considering that Dems called them racists.

    I can't vote for Palin, no way.  But I sure can appreciate a historic moment, and a far more gracious moment than too many I have seen from Dems.

    I'm with you. (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by janarchy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:12:12 PM EST
    Plus now all of a sudden, everyone is expecting Hillary to clean up the situation and do all the dirty work.

    Dear Dems,

    Here's a clue.

    You didn't nominate Hillary Clinton for president. You didn't nominate her for Vice President. The DNC actively went out of their way to make sure this did not happen and then alienated a large chunk of her supporters. You said they weren't needed, weren't wanted but had no other place to go.

    Don't start saying she's got to be the one to clean up the situation with Palin for Obama.

    It's HIS mess. Let him deal with it.

    At least the Republicans were taking careful notes and not making the same mistakes.


    Clinton vs Palin (none / 0) (#74)
    by John Locke on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:31:59 PM EST
    George H. W. Bush nominated the airhead Dan Quayle because he cynically believed that a good-looking young man, even one as dumb as a box of rocks, would get the women's vote.  The idea that women would vote for Bush/Quayle just because of a pretty face, and against their own best interests was a chauvinist and sexist insult to women.  

    Now, McCain is trying a similar tack, picking perhaps the least qualified person ever to stand one breath from the Presidency (and, with McCain's age and melanoma, that is a mighty short breath), and expecting Hillary supporters to vote for the McCain/Palin (the anti-Hillary) ticket just because they have a vagina on the ticket is even more chauvinistic, sexist, and insulting to womens' intelligence.

    That said, the posters over on hillaryclinton.com are almost all in an almost orgasmic extasy over McCain's choice, vowing to vote for McCain and Palin and "teach" those Democrats Obama and Biden "a lesson."  They would rather give up a century of womens' progress to avenge the "slight" to Hillary than rally round the party and continue fighting to advance womens' (and all Americans') rights.  Remember, less than 100 years ago, women couldn't even vote.  Today, on her own merits, one came within a few votes of being the presidential nominee.  That's a lot of progress to give up just to get even.

    Could it be that in the years between Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin, somebody has been slipping some women stupid pills?  

    Hillary talked about the need for experience.  If McCain becomes president and then goes ten toes up, (remember that William Henry Harrison, the second oldest man elected as president - at 68 - died 31 days after taking the oath of office, leaving John Tyler as the unexpected president) then the new president's resume will look like this:

    • former beauty queen runner-up

    • local sports reporter

    • two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska city council when the population was something under 5,000.

    • part-time mayor of Wasilla, Alaska

    • Won 2006 Republican nomination for governor with just over 50% of the vote after incumbent Frank Murkowski became mired in scandals.

    • Won the governorship with under 50% of the vote and has now been governor for around 20 months.

    She has NO foreign policy experience, either related to diplomacy or war.  She knows nothing about the various nations, factions, and crises that are threatening the world.

    She has NO domestic national policy experience.

    She has NO federal economic experience.

    She has NO experience with national issues like the health care debacle, the education crises, the collapsing infrastructure, or the disgraceful treatment of returning veterans.

    When asked on CNBC just a month ago whether she was interested in running for Vice President, she said she couldn't answer that until somebody explained to her what a Vice President does.

    On the other hand:

    • She is a Christian fundamentalist who rejects evolution and wants to bring the teaching of creationism into public school biology classes.

    • She is fervently pro-gun, a Life Member of the NRA, and used to love hunting moose (and eating mooseburgers) with her father.  Some of her supporters have called her the most pro-gun political candidate in the county.

    She is fervently anti-abortion, to the point of being hailed as a herione on the National Right To Life Committe's website, and favors making all abortions illegal, even in cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother's health and life.

    She opposes gay marriage and has stated that the sanctity of marriage is meant only for a man and a woman.

    She favors drilling in ANWR even more fervently than John McCain.

    She wants to make capital punishment legal in Alaska.

    She has neither the sort of political resume Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden have, nor very much in common with their policies and beliefs.  

    Anybody who could back Hillary Clinton and then turn around and back Sarah Palin is obviously not selecting a candidate because of her leadership qualities, her experience, or her progressive, compassionate, and inclusive views, but solely on her gender - her plumbing - which is about all Palin and Clinton have in common.

    If McCain/Palin are able to prevail and win the election, the rest of us deserve exactly what we are going to get - and we will get it good and hard.


    Um (none / 0) (#82)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:11:26 PM EST
    Didn't GHWB win?  Even with Dan Quayle on his ticket?

    And I guess the Dems better have another VP pick in the wings - you know - just in case Biden has another aneurysm. (No, I don't hope for that - just pointing out how specious the argument is that McCain GOSH has melanoma and may keel over any day.  For the record - McCain's doctors gave a clean bill of health


    So who wins the battle of the cookouts? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:06:30 PM EST

    I will give today's news cycle to McCain.  

    And he probably will win the majority of days in next weeks cycle.

    But who do you think wins the chatter around the cook outs this weekend. Both campaigns had pretty big news going in although I think Obama's speech was too light and airy. The GOP's problem is the she is too much of an unknown for people to have anything to talk about.

    They really need to get her into a couple of  interviews today I think to win the weekend.

    Funny (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by nell on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:16:02 PM EST
    I was taking an exam this morning, and when I came home I had calls from 5 or 6 people about how shocked and surprised they were about the Palin pick, including from people who are Obama supporters..not a single call about Obama's speech...sooo...yeah, I would say she will be the talk.

    My friend sent me a text message (none / 0) (#60)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:00:06 PM EST
    from her office. I'm was home and hadn't settled into the news or internet. She knew before I did and that was at 11:08 ET. The news was traveling quick.

    Non-Palin, Non-McCain (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by liminal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:18:17 PM EST
    There was a huge explosion last night at the Bayer Crop Sciences plant in Institute, WV, where methylisocyanate is manufactured, about 10:30 last night.  That plant is well-known to folks in the Kanawha Valley, as MIC was the chemical spilled at the Union Carbide plant in Bhopal, India, killing more than 5000 people.

    MIC wasn't involved in this blast; instead, apparently waste products from another pesticide were involved, but it still took emergency services more than an hour to issue a shelter-in-place order to the surrounding communities.  There was no toxic cloud in this case, but the shelter-in-place order should have been issued immediately.  

    One employee was killed, another badly wounded.  

    I grew up near that area (none / 0) (#76)
    by BernieO on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:35:51 PM EST
    Downriver on the Ohio before federal there were any environmental protection acts. We got all the dead fish and toxins from their chemical spills - and deliberate dumps. (I am not talking about one plant in particular, there are a lot in that beautiful valley.) My town's drinking water came from the river so I'm surprised I don't glow in the dark. There is a lot of cancer, autoimmune disease and fertility problems in my home town.

    Most people have no idea that Union Carbide had a plant in the Kanawha Valley like the one in Bhopal that killed all those people. That leak could have happened there instead of India. I did not know that the same chemical that produced the deadly Bhopal cloud is still manufactured in WVa. Scary.


    Downriver on the Ohio - (none / 0) (#81)
    by liminal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:09:50 PM EST
    Point Pleasant?  Huntington?  Portsmouth?  I live in Huntington, now - though I used to live in Charleston, and have "sheltered in place" after chemical leaks more times than I care to count.  When I was a kid, Elmer Fike's FMC Chemical (? - to the name, I don't remember, specifically) was still in operation and not yet a Superfund site, giving Nitro, WV that special smell I'll always remember from traveling on I-64.  

    I know what you mean about the Ohio river, too.  Add the chemical discharge to all the acid mine drainage in the watersheds of the Ohio tributaries, and you have one deliciously toxic stew.  There are always rumors about deformed giant catfish lurking in the deep, enough to base a Sci-Fi movie of the week on, and I think there's enough C8 in the Ohio from the Dupont (? - they've changed hands and names so many times, it's difficult for me to keep track) plant in Belpre that it's surprising that one can't walk on the water.  


    What does (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:43:32 PM EST
    Sarah Palin call her pop's bald head?

    A palindome.

    What do you call a long stump speech by Sarah Palin?

    A palindrone.

    I'll be here all week.

    Since its an open thread..... (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:51:52 PM EST
    I want to send my good thoughts to everyone in Gustav's path. Stay safe.

    CNN (none / 0) (#71)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:23:39 PM EST
    Is reporting that the Republican's may reschedule their convention over Gustav. They don't want to be seen as celebrating while the possible hurricane hits NO. Ghosts of Katrina still haunt them. (I still am outraged at that. Thank you Joe Lieberman).

    Palin vs Kaine? (none / 0) (#1)
    by mattt on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:53:48 PM EST
    These comparisons are pretty weak.

    Both have been governors for only a couple of years.  But before being governor, Kaine served as lieutenant gov. of a large state, and before that as councilman and mayor of a city of 200,000.

    Before her 1.5 years as governor of Alaska, Palin served as mayor of a town of about 5,000 people.  Oh, and she was also captain of her high school basketball team.

    There's a lot more daylight between those two resumes than there is between, say, Obama's and HRC's.

    there's a new Palin thread up (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55:12 PM EST
    Please put your comments on her and McCain there and use this as an open thread for other topicss. Thanks.

    The bigest difference is (none / 0) (#6)
    by thentro on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:56:53 PM EST
    Obama Didn't chose Kaine while McCain did chose Palin.

    Wash. PO: Romney and Pawlenty angry (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55:56 PM EST
    Romney has a large Mormon following in CO, AZ, MT, NV and NM, and supposedly both were popular in MI.

    If McCain is going to play cynical identity politics, he should have thought it through a little better.

    UT? (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:57:48 PM EST
    You're right (none / 0) (#13)
    by magster on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:59:53 PM EST
    I hit comment on the wrong story. sorry.

    I'm pretty sure he meant... (none / 0) (#77)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM EST
    ...UT as in the state of Utah.  The land o' mormons...

    if they want a future in politics (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:59:55 PM EST
    and I know republicans, they better stfu and start clapping.

    LOL! (none / 0) (#16)
    by bjorn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:01:34 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edgar08 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:58:25 PM EST
    One things for certain, on the off chance the McCain/Palin ticket wins, it certainly will be a most historic occasion.

    They will be making history.

    Was the title just updated? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edgar08 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:59:49 PM EST
    I was sure it just said "Open Thread" a second ago.

    My comment is about McCain/Palin so do with it what you must.


    WhaaaT! I saw it say "open thread" too (none / 0) (#20)
    by Desired User Name on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:07:33 PM EST
    Smells of a switcheroo!

    I'll take a shot (none / 0) (#34)
    by BernieO on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:19:02 PM EST
    at posting about something other than Palin. Why do you think McCain's campaign doesn't make a bigger deal about Cindy's work with Doctors without Borders? The fact that she went into Rwanda during the civil war to help set up a hospital there is no small thing. She took a big risk in doing it and has not used it for publicity.

    Didn't need to use it until now (none / 0) (#37)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:24:03 PM EST
    I didn't know about this - but I bet we'll hear about it after next week - when people are paying attention.

    I'm the proud sis of a Nobel winner (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:00:40 PM EST
    because he's one of those Doctors Without Borders.

    So I knew about Cindy McCain's work with them, too.  There are a lot of those Docs, and even those like my sib who entirely disagrees with her politics, too, has been impressed by her willingness to go places that a lot of pols and their spouses just talk about.

    And they know about her adoption of a needy child, too.  She has a community of goodwill with her, even if they're not with her politically.  So in this crazy, mixed-up election, who knows.


    She waas just in Georgia I believe (none / 0) (#64)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:12:17 PM EST
    She seems fairly low key about her life, but she's pretty interesting when you find out some info on her.

    Yes, she was. McCain waited (none / 0) (#72)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM EST
    to make the VP pick until she was back, because he wanted her back to discuss it with her, he said.

    One of the rules of MSF (Dr w/o Borders) (none / 0) (#83)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:34:10 PM EST
    is complete non-partisanship and non-political stances, as they feel all that would imperil the safety of their workers in the field.

    So maybe the McCains wouldn't bring MSF up specifically because it is against MSF protocol.

    Are you sure she was with MSF in Rwanda
    or some other ngo.

    C Mc other effort is the ..shoot..correct name escapes me...but the smile foundation...giving children with cleft palettes etc corrective surgery.


    She's probably being compared because (none / 0) (#35)
    by Rhouse on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:19:36 PM EST
    we're all just waiting for the sexist cr+p and misogynistic rants from "democrats and liberals" that was used against our female candidate to be re-tooled for her.  See DKos ( I refuse to link to that site.)

    Non-McCain-Palin Topics (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:30:10 PM EST
    not going to be many of those today Im thinkin

    I McGree... (none / 0) (#42)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:44:48 PM EST
    LPGA says "Speaka the Eng or get out." (none / 0) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:46:38 PM EST
    Golfweek magazine reported on its Web site on Monday that speaking English will be a requirement starting in 2009, with players who have been U.S. LPGA members for two years facing suspension if they can't pass an oral evaluation of English skills.

    The tour held a mandatory meeting with South Koreans last Wednesday at the Safeway Classic to inform them of the new policy.

    "Hopefully, what we're talking about is something that will not happen," deputy commissioner Libba Galloway told Golfweek. "If it does, we wouldn't just say, 'Come back next year.' What we would do is work with them on where they fell short, provide them the resources they need, the tutoring ... and when we feel like they need to be evaluated again, we would evaluate."

    There are 121 international players from 26 countries on the U.S. LPGA Tour, including 45 players from South Korea.


    Hope Bud Selig doesn't see this! (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:47:16 PM EST
    Beezaball (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:51:30 PM EST
    bin beddy beddy good do me.

    Here's a good baseball analogy (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:06:51 PM EST
    from MSNBC.  Obama touts change; McCain throws a change-up.

    I don't like it sarc.... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:18:36 PM EST
    You potentially leave the best talent off the course.

    I'm not a fan of golf...but I'd imagine fans of golf wanna see great rounds and great shots...not eloquent post-game interviews...no?  


    Which fans? (none / 0) (#73)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:31:38 PM EST
    Maybe not the "murrican" fans...

    Although, actually, I think one the the reasons given for the decision is that the sponsors are supposedly extremely concerned about exactly that - the post-game interview - among other things.

    w/o the sponsors there is no tour, at least no tour like the one that exists now.

    My bet is no one will be suspended and that this will only serve as a kick in the @ss for some players to learn some English, and that they'll probably be (financially, anyway) better off for it.

    Tag-Heuer won't hire you to sell their watches to America if you can only speak, say, Serbo-Croatian.


    I hear ya.... (none / 0) (#78)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:52:30 PM EST
    I know what the sponsors want, I wonder what the fans of womens golf want...the people who tune in and attend events.

    Lets assume for a sec the fans want to see the best golf they can see...corporations sponsor the tour for publicity and advertising, wouldn't more fans based on the best golf be in their best interest?  

    I agree no one will be suspended, that would be a pr nightmare for the LPGA...and the players will probably go along because it's in their best interest too (mo' english, mo' money)...just kinds runnning with the hypothetical...what if a new foreign phenom comes along and can't pick up enough English in 2 years?  Banning them would be bad for the game.


    Honestly, (none / 0) (#80)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:07:19 PM EST
    I think the truth is that many American fans want to see Americans win in America. The more American winners in America, the more American fans watching the Lincoln-Mercury ads on TV.

    A Irishman just won the British Open. Trust me, the tournament was watched on TV in Great Britain at levels that far exceed the levels had Choi Kyung-Ju been battling Ye Yang for the Cup.

    That said, there are a lot of Korean-American golfers...


    Michael Jackson turns 50 today (none / 0) (#45)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:51:40 PM EST

    Well, maybe his (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:10:58 PM EST
    insides turned 50 today, but no one knows how old his face is...

    "Off the Wall".... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:19:34 PM EST
    is still a wicked record though.

    Palin makes me want to (none / 0) (#49)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:18:21 PM EST
    watch Northern Exposure.  Think Janine Turner will come out and campaign for them?

    And probably my favorite TV episode of all time, of any TV show, was NE's "Democracy in America."

    I like the one (none / 0) (#67)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:16:51 PM EST
    in which Marilyn raises ostriches.

    All good. (none / 0) (#75)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:33:05 PM EST
    Well, she IS a Republican! (nt) (none / 0) (#52)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:35:20 PM EST
    Polls (none / 0) (#55)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:50:46 PM EST
    I read in Bloomberg article that Obama got a six point boost in polls after Wed. I'm not sure his speech will be a big factor with the Palin news.

    ``I wasn't looking for a huge bounce,'' Axelrod said. ``I don't think there's a lot of play in this electorate.''

    I hope he's wrong. This was to be a landslide 9 months ago.

    He should get a bounce from his speech.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:52:49 PM EST
    ...in the overnight polls for today, though.

    New Registers? (none / 0) (#62)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:04:02 PM EST
    My point is that:  I keep hearing about all these new Democrat's that have been brought into the party, I haven't seen any signs of them in any of the polls to date. If you start with a majority as the Democrat's had and then you add millions to it, we should be leading McCain by a mile.

    I think (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:09:44 PM EST
    they were feeding people a line of bs with that "new voter" thing. I don't know why people fall for that line. I've heard it year after year after year and they NEVER materialize in the numbers you think or need.

    Obviously, by Axelrod's statement there will probably be no bounce from the speech. I think that McCain has complete drowned out that. He also used Obama's own game against him.


    6 points is pretty good. (none / 0) (#65)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:15:32 PM EST
    Well done by the Clintons.

    Unless someone wants to convince me that Joe Biden is responsible...


    Obama and the media blinders.... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Oje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:15:57 PM EST
    If Obama looks to media members like this guy, we are certain to witness a series of sexist attacks over the coming months:

    She is smart, vivacious and energetic; she tends to oversimplify complex issues, has had difficulty delegating authority, and clearly has difficulty distinguishing the line between her public responsibilities and private wishes.

    I just love this exchange in which the two media members (channeling Clyburn), dismiss both Geraldine Ferraro and Palin in one exchange:

    Sun Prairie, Wisc.: Good afternoon, Mr. Erickson. When I heard the name of Sarah Palin I thought of William Miller, Geraldine Ferraro, and Jack Kemp -- running mates chosen by candidates running against popular presidents, who knew they were almost certain to lose and filled out their tickets with a view toward keeping at least their own party's base together.

    No name ID. Little relevant experience. No past relationship with the presidential candidate. From a small state that Sen. McCain would have to go into a coma to lose. But, Gov. Palin is a strong social conservative, appealing to the kind of George Bush Republican who has never liked McCain very much.

    This is a choice that makes a lot more sense if one assumes McCain has no chance of winning this election. Do you agree?

    Gregg Erickson: The only way I can figure that it makes sense for McCain is he believes his campaign is in big trouble, and hopes this very unconventional choice will give his candidacy much needed appeal women voters and those from the religous right who have been not quite comfortable with his credentials as a social conservative.

    And, apparently, she lost the all important "media/insider" constituency:

    Her approval ratings are high--65 percent, or so--but down from 80 percent earlier in her term. Most Alaskan's haven't watched her as closely as most reporters or legislators. If you took a poll of reporters and legislators I expect her approval rating would be down in the teens or twenties.

    Article from WaPo.

    Really (none / 0) (#70)
    by lilburro on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:22:50 PM EST
    it seems like the reporter/columnist/economist has trouble clarifying his duties.

    Who cares about "reporter polling"?  These people are so f*d up.  

    I know reporters aren't supposed to contribute to political campaigns, but their contributions have been priceless this year.


    Economic news (none / 0) (#84)
    by DFLer on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:41:18 PM EST
    the government report today that personal incomes (US) fell by the largest amount in nearly three years.

    link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wall_street

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