Obama's Speech: Getting The Job Done

The language did not soar. The rhetoric, tone and demeanor were down to Earth.

I give this speech, in this place, at this time, an A+. It was the right speech, with the right delivery that needed to be delivered by Barack Obama tonight. Even towards the end, where change was the discussion point, it was down to earth. And then a quick shift to why AMERICA is great. Of course the end was the soar. But it was just the end. In the live blog I wrote:

"Th[e] video is a home run for me. This is not about history, even though it is, it is about an All American Heartland, salt of the earth Barack Obama. And it works. At least for me.

. . . Obama starts the speech over the crowd. The attitude tonight is right.

Shout outs to the Clintons at the top of the speech. Very smart.

They got their heads screwed on right tonight. This is gonna be a big night.

This is the right speech for the occasion and he is delivering it beautifully. This is a home run imo.

"Eight IS Enough" sounds hokey, but that is part of its power. Why? Because you will remember it. And if you remember it you will remember that McCain is running for Bush's Third Term. The hokey phrase was no accident. It had a purpose.

BTW, this is a TV speech. This is not a speech for the live crowd. There are not that many applause lines per se. The crowd wants them but he knows his business. He is speaking to 40 million, not 80,000 in Denver.

A very professional political performance. Axelrod and Obama are on top of this thing. This speech is very reassuring to me as a question of politics.

This speech will get lukewarm reviews afterwards. I give it a rave, for that very reason. He brought it back down to Earth. He rolled up his sleeves. Even the fact that his makeup is getting a bit sweaty works for him. A little rough. A little effort. A little less cool. A lot more real. This is a winner."

I stand by that.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    The speech (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by TheRealFrank on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:01:07 PM EST
    I loved the first 2/3rd of the speech. Spoken like a proud Democrat. Good namechecks of the clintons. Good kicks in the pants for McCain.

    But towards the end he lost me when he went into the usual 'change' bit.. I have heard it too much.

    It was perfunctory (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:02:42 PM EST
    and necessary.

    I don't think we, at TalkLeft, were his target (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:35 PM EST
    audience with that part of the speech. I wasn't keen on that part either, but I think that he did it for his core voters.

    Probably necessary given the campaign he ran. It's just not my personal cup of tea.


    It's About Me! (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:33 PM EST
    It's not about Hillary, it's not about Bill, it's not about McCain, it's not about Osama Bin Laden, it's not about Barack Obama. It's about me. ME! ME! ME! And you.

    Not in the way you think (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:12 PM EST
    Is the nominee's acceptance speech (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:03 PM EST
    usually so peppered with "I" and "me"?  That struck me also.

    I dunno (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:16:07 PM EST
    I remember hearing Bill Clinton's life story in 1992, of course.

    I liked how he tied his policies to his mother, his grandmother... showing how his imperatives flow from his background.  Works for me.


    NO it is NOT (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Desired User Name on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:58 PM EST
    but he didn't learn much from Hillary.

    Wow. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:27 PM EST
    And, of course, it's not about you at all.

    Good grief.

    It's an ego trip.  Get over yourself.


    I will not get over myself. (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:28:06 PM EST
    I am sick and tired of watching my hard earned tax dollars spent on the Bush agenda. I am sick and tired of watching people suffer.

    I am so sick of this war in Iraq, I want it over. I want to see Osama's cave located and bombed out. I want veterans cared for in war zones and when they come home. I want taxes to be paid justly. I want my government to respond immediately when a natural disaster hits. I want to see children educated with the best possible education. I want teacher's salaries to be increased. Rather see money in teacher's pockets than in big oil's. I want fathers to be there for their children. I forgot everything else he said, at the moment, but if any of this happens, I will be happy. Very happy. It's all about me!

    Everybody wants all this stuff! (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:39:26 PM EST
    The problem is that no one wants to pay for it!  We have a huge federal deficit caused by borrowing to pay for programs we couldn't afford in the past.  

    The problem with this is that it's just like your credit cards:  Eventually you hit a place where no one wants to lend you money anymore.  



    You think (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:50:43 PM EST
    Obama's going to do anything about these problems?

    I think you need to get ready to live with disappointment.


    I like the speech I like the delivery (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:07:43 PM EST
    I even liked the set!  I agree high marks.

    Good speech (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:45 PM EST
    Good night for Democrats. The campaign listened and learned.

    we'll see... (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by kredwyn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:15:20 PM EST
    dramatism is only part of the equation. Without substance and real action to underscore it, it's a political performance.

    Beautiful (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09:00 PM EST
    I could not have asked for anything more.

    I was happy too (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:15:47 PM EST
    Despite the anger and frustration I have felt and somewhat still feel to how women are treated in the democratic party, I am comfortable with supporting our candidate.  He did an excellent job in making me transition.

    In the end, if I could vote for Kerry whom I never felt convinced me he would make a good president, I can easily vote for someone who has been able to bring so many people into the process.


    Well, I've always been kind of backwards. If (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09:40 PM EST
    this speech gets lukewarm reviews, I must prefer lukewarm speeches. I liked the calm, determined manner of this speech. I would have like a more normal setting, but the speech was much more what I want to hear.

    Damn good speech (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09:56 PM EST
    I was impressed, and glad to see he went after McCain and Bush in no uncertain terms.

    John McCain doesn't know, and John McCain doesn't get it. Keep that up, all the way to November.

    It's time for them to own their failure... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Same As It Ever Was on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:21 PM EST
    great line.

    Yeah, (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:28:58 PM EST
    i though so too. Ah, such stuff are dreams made of...

    This was the speech for (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Same As It Ever Was on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:10:45 PM EST
    those who weren't sure whether he shared their values.  He told those folks what he needed to hear, with enough red meat for fighting dems and enough of his primary rhetoric to make fire up his die hard supporters.

    I don't see why this speech would get a lukewarm review.  It was about a perfect a speech as he could have given.  ALMOST as good as Hillary's speech.

    It was a good speech (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:57 PM EST
    but I think it could have been better.  The beginning had a lot of repetition from previous speeches and no real mention of MLK (I think he should have been mentioned more since this was an historic night on an historic anniversary).  

    There was almost a little too much imagery.

    I didn't notice a "take away" line either.  It would have been nice if it had included one really memorable, original line like "I have a dream" or "Ask not what you can do for your country" -- that kind of thing.  Something really original.  

    The tribute to MLK (5.00 / 0) (#187)
    by sallywally on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53:48 PM EST
    was way early, short, and pretty much ignored by the audience and pundits (MSNBC) while it was going on. That disappointed me a lot, very tacky and egregiously ignorant, imo.

    With all the bells and whistles for every other part of the evening, it would seem on this "historic" night that they could pay a real tribute to someone really historic.

    Also, I missed Al Gore's speech, which it seemed to me was scheduled too early in the evening to pay real respect to him, and didn't hear anything about it from the commentators....not sure Obama thanked him, either...


    Sadly (none / 0) (#52)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:22 PM EST
    the one line the crowd latched onto was "eight is enough."

    Wasn't that the name of a TV show? (none / 0) (#89)
    by abfabdem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:27:56 PM EST
    Eight is enough (5.00 / 0) (#169)
    by waldenpond on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:48:40 PM EST
    was a kids/family show.... eight kids... remember Dick Van Patten?

    My own opinion (5.00 / 9) (#32)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13:45 PM EST
    (speaking for myself, of course), is that it was a brilliant piece of theater, hitting all the right notes without getting into details.

    Yes, he can pull off a really great speech, accompanied by the most technological tricks in the trade.

    My question still remains:  what will he deliver, and how will he do it?

    I also feel really sad that we are so compliant with the "advertising" mentality while election leaders that hold our world in their hands.

    To me, Obama showed his ability to be a great actor, but I still don't have a clue how he's going to deliver those promises, based on his record of compromising on just about anything.

    Call me a cynic.  I never used to be.  But the last 18 months leave me doubting just about anything being promised.  FISA, for example.

    Why should I believe his truly stirring speech, or treat it as anything else as just another great speech given by him.

    It really sounded great, but I'm somewhat jaded by now as to promises given vs. actions taken from our leaders.

    Truly sorry about that.  I wish I felt better and could get behind the ticket, but all I hear is the  same-old same-old, no matter how glorified it is at any moment.

    Don't buy it anymore.

    He can't deliver on the promises he laid out (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:26:54 PM EST
    There isn't enough money to do it all.  

    1.  We save no money by stopping the war in Iraq.  We've been borrowing that money from the Chinese, and that's why we have the huge deficit.  

    2.  He wants to pull troops from Iraq and send them to Afghanistan anyway -- so there is really no savings, just the same old debt.  

    3.  Lowering taxes for 95% of Americans and raising them on the top 5%?  I'd like to see how this works out on paper because I can't see this as a net revenue gain for the government.  I can't see this as revenue neutral either.  

    I think the one place this campaign has been honest with us is when Michelle said that Barack would require sacrifices by all of us.  Think:  No goodies and less money, even for the rich folks.    

    Does anyone really expect any politician (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by miriam on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:12:29 PM EST
    to actually deliver on all the promises?  What I heard tonight--and have been waiting to hear for 18 months--is what Obama wants to do.  We now have some firm idea of the direction in which he means to move. (And it's a Democratic direction.) Before tonight I had no idea which areas meant the most to him.  And I was deathly afraid we would an hour's worth of the "Yes, we can" mantra.  We didn't.  I feel somewhat better.  Maybe it's simply because I don't do well with perpetual gloom and anger.  I do know we cannot get this country back on track with a Republican president. And that's the bottom line for me.  

    doable (3.66 / 3) (#121)
    by AlSmith on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:36:47 PM EST

    well since the top guys pay all most all the money [*just federal income tax] this is technically possible.  Unfortunately I am one of the ones who pays.

    Warren? (5.00 / 5) (#154)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:08 PM EST
    Is that you?  

    Seriously, yes, the top people do pay a lot in taxes -- but so do single people with no dependents and no home mortgage deductions.  That includes most single people in NYC, LA, SF, etc.  It's not that we're so rich.  It's that we can't afford to buy houses and rent isn't deductable.  

    It used to floor me that people who made three times what I made paid less than 1/6 of what I paid in taxes simply because they were married and owned a house.  


    I feel your pain (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52:29 PM EST
    Oh well (3.66 / 3) (#127)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:43 PM EST
    The stage was really eye appealing, the music top notch, and the fireworks were edible.

    All for a few hours of show. Imagine how much more that money could have done. There was absolutely no good reason for the theatrics tonight.


    I saw a figure of $6 million (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:42:59 PM EST
    and was just sad, since I had read just before that about the hole in my city's budget for schools and other services.  And of the worsening poverty level here.  And just before that, I read that the party conventions are subsidized by our tax form checkoffs.

    I didn't know that -- not that the money goes to these spectacles, too.  So I'm not checking that box on my tax form again.  


    For no explainable reason (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:51:32 PM EST
    I stopped checking that box over a decade ago. It was still $1 when I stopped checking it, anyway.

    Heh. (none / 0) (#219)
    by Faust on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06:40 PM EST
    Obama killed that box imo.

    i wonder (3.50 / 2) (#124)
    by Howard Zinn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:22 PM EST
    if there's anything he could have said to sway you one way or the other.  

    Answer to your question: (5.00 / 3) (#201)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:59:30 PM EST
    Show humility.  In the tradition of Gandhi who led millions of people towards freedom without needing elaborate techocratic, million-dollar supporter moneys to get there.

    Yes, that's the past, but it's a path I personally admire.  And don't tell me that it's no longer doable because the corporations own the game and we have to play along with their corporate antics where we taxpayers have to go along with all of it.  We don't.


    Love it (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by dmk47 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13:51 PM EST
    If these are the reviews Obama is getting in the comments at Talk Left, he f'ing killed it. Perfect! On to November.

    You're missing the reviews (5.00 / 7) (#110)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:26 PM EST
    by dozens who were at Talk Left until earlier today.

    Seeing both is seeing the contrasts of politics, as it were.


    Great point!!!! (none / 0) (#103)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:56 PM EST
    LOL.  Very good speech but pundits on PBS were not really enthused.  Thought he has been better and that this will not be recorded as memorable.  Huh???

    I no longer just support Obama (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Exeter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:54 PM EST
    I know really, really like the guy. The speech was 100% pitch, perfect.  Obama and his campaign really nailed it. I had concerns about the stadium, but it was perfect as well.

    Yeah, you missed it (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by dmk47 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:15:20 PM EST
    Two or three dozen very specific proposals, and specific critiques of Republican proposals to match them. It was as specific and substantive as it could have been without becoming a position paper.

    you missed it (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by mindfulmission on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:16:14 PM EST
    Go get the transcript and read through it.

    The middle of the speech was the "meatiest."

    My quibbles (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:16:44 PM EST
    1. What was that with the music and the light show at the end? Cheesy.

    2. Obama should not concede the sincerity of McCain's beliefs.  Not his patriotism.   But why give McCain the benefit of the doubt on "not having beliefs for political reasons"?  The man has no core principles! And McCain will not give him the benefit of the doubt.

    3. Obama should not concede that McCain cares about ordinary people.  To paraphrase Forrest Gump: Caring is as caring does.  

    4. The columns were really bad.


    On the whole, I thought the speech was really good. I liked the serious, dramatic "Enough!" followed a few moments later with the snarkier "Eight is enough."

    I liked that he went after McCain himself.  And I like that he questioned his judgment and temperament to be CinC and dared him to debate those issues with him.

    I liked that he quoted Phil Gramm's "mental recession" and "nation of whiners" statements.

    I like that he threw McCain's $5 million threshold for being rich back in his face.

    A good combination of wonkiness and populist rhetoric.

    I liked (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:01 PM EST
    "making a big election about small things."

    An effective way to shame the GOP for their usual campaign tactics.  I bet we'll hear it again.


    the GOP have no shame (5.00 / 0) (#106)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:11 PM EST
    and will not hesitate to make this election about many, many small things.  All of which Obama will need to adequately and quickly respond to.

    Every Candidate in every Election makes a plea for no dirty campaigning and ever Candidate in every Election always finds himself (or herself) being blind-sided week after week until November.

    The GOP aren't changing one bit of their game plan.  

    It's now officially Open Season.


    I had one problem with that (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:03 PM EST
    did he say something right in front of that that was perfect for a commercial? I think he was implying McCain didn't have anything as a lead up, but he could have easily been saying it about himself. I think it was missing the specification he was referring to McCain.  

    I will admit to being tired and I was starting to drift a bit attention wise. I would have liked the speech a bit shorter and sharper, but think he's hitting a better note. Another thing I worried about when I listened to it was certain points that could be singled out and debated. Like when he said he could pay for everything he was proposing. I thought that had already been found to be not true?


    the "paying for everything" (none / 0) (#156)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:27 PM EST
    worried me, too, as they will undoubtedly throw massive amounts of, well, doubt, I guess, on that claim with questions about his inexperience and perhaps examples of his campaign outspending his Primary opponent 3-to-1 in some States and still losing.

    And they can spin that as fiscal irresponsibility.


    Yeah, after watching the McCain (none / 0) (#205)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:00:19 PM EST
    commercials, I was partly listening in spin outtake mode. And the Obama camp hasn't reacted right to those, imo. There were several I was hearing that could be used to play to his lack of experience and also old "beliefs" about Dems.

    I'm not sure about the "really" part (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:39 PM EST
    It was a good speech, in which he finally divested himself of most of the celebrity persona that had come to dominate and cripple his campaign.

    On the other hand, I wasn't very impressed with his energy proposals (clean coal is a boondoggle, and nuclear plants will take mammoth amounts of money to build).  His tax proposals cannot be taken seriously with our deficit.  And his "if you've got no record" line begs to be used in McCain commercials.

    I give it seven out of 10.


    clean coal (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by AlSmith on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:55:45 PM EST
    I am borrowing one of my four criticism posts from tomorrow.

    "Clean Coal" is one of those things that punctures the change balloon. We have been hearing clean coal for how long? I admit I was on board the first few times. But right now its like a Chandler Bing reference.

    How his he "finding ways to safely harness nuclear power"? Will he be experimenting at night himself? Does he have a specific plan that maybe he'd like to tell us about? Maybe with who is supposed to be doing what, with what money and when it will be available? This whole section stinks of BS because it has no specifics.

    WTF is he doing to "help people afford new cars"? Is there some sort of car allowance here? This actually sounds like it might be an interesting proposal if can be channeled to US manufactures and increase average household fuel economy but of course there are no specifics. Hell there arent even generalities. Argh.

    What was this business at the end about "farms to save"? He didnt say anything about farms in the whole speech. Maybe he had a farm policy and it was cut out, and that is why this seems so weird.

    Ok- what about the big finish from Hebrews 10:23 talking about holding firmly, without wavering, to the hope in of salvation through the crucified Jesus? How did that go over in Invesco?


    yep and still won't be safe.

    Note: Renewable energy came last... (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:46:36 PM EST
    First he said he'd invest in "natural gas, clean coal, and nuclear power". Then improving gas mileage and then lastly renewable energy.

    Is the order of the list indicative of his priorities?


    Nuclear power plants (none / 0) (#133)
    by Hozzie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38:48 PM EST
    If private money is used to build nuclear power plants, the cost should be of no concern to tax paying Americans.

    As for safety: no doubt, a nuclear meltdown would be a disaster. But new nuclear plants would be safer than those first commissioned fifty years ago; there's hardly reason to believe diligent management and regulation would be unable to mitigate almost all risk.

    And, mindful though I am that past performance is not an indicator of future performance, hundreds of nuclear power plants have been operated safely in the United States and other countries.


    Private money alone (none / 0) (#165)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:46:32 PM EST
    cannot be used to build nuclear power plants, because their massive startup costs have required enormous government subsidies in EVERY country that has used nuclear power thus far. It is thus a monumentally inefficient way of energy generation, sucking up finds that could be better used developing renewables or increasing efficiency. Not cool.

    That's true. (none / 0) (#207)
    by Hozzie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:02:17 PM EST
    Most large-scale infrastructure requires public and private investment.

    But that includes any kind of energy-generating station, particularly those that generate energy through technological means which, from an energy-efficiency point of view, are in their infancy.

    A good example of this, unfortunately, is solar and wind generators. These are terrifically ineffecient generators of energy at present compared to oil, coal, natural gas, nuclear or hydro generators.

    This is partly because they rely upon fickle sources of energy (the sun and wind), but also partly because we don't have the technology to improve efficiency (for example, a better means to store energy during "down times").

    Ramping up that technology will require vast amounts of private and public investment - much more, in my view, than the investment required to establish already efficient nuclear power plants.


    Look up Chernobyl; Three Mile Island (none / 0) (#210)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:02:50 PM EST
    Aside from the high cost of producing nuclear power, nuclear power plants can never be fail-proof; and nuclear waste is radioactive forever.

    When accidents happens, here's what it looks like:

    *Chernobyl Disaster
    *Three Mile Island



    That's the line! (none / 0) (#157)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:33 PM EST
    I couldn't remember it at the end of the speech (tired here) but it jumped out the minute he said it.

    I think he runs into probs with his tax proposals and other proposals on the budget end. And didn't his advicors just say recently, the tax on the upper income group wouldn't kick in for 10yrs? I haven't heard him say he was going to go through line by line and cut programs that don't work before, but I would like some examples. Especially because he has spoken about expanding faith based ones.

    At least he didn't over do the vocalizing and was more down-to-earth!  :)


    I thought the fireworks were too much (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17:00 PM EST
    and too much fireworks. Especially with the Star Wars music in the background.
    Competing with the Olympics appeals to the middle class? not so much.

    The Obama girls loved the (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:56 PM EST

    lol. I've scrolled past your comment several (5.00 / 0) (#163)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:45:29 PM EST
    times and I thought you meant the you-tube girl. You meant the real little Obama girls. They were so cute.

    It was fun watching them. The (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:54:12 PM EST
    goungest was very aware of when she and her sister were on the big screen--just like a baseball game.

    Same thought here (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:30 PM EST
    It's like they wanted to show that they too could have fireworks to fake or encourage enthusiasm.

    So lame.


    no balloons (5.00 / 0) (#135)
    by Howard Zinn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38:55 PM EST
    b/c of the stadium, so they opted for fireworks instead

    No ballons (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:03:25 PM EST
    because this was supposed to be an ecofriendly event.  

    I've seen Mile High fireworks before (5.00 / 1) (#212)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:03:26 PM EST
    and these weren't anywhere near what they can do. The fireworks last Saturday for the start of the convention were spectacular. These were lame.

    Well, he ain't my guy but... (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Romberry on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17:05 PM EST
    ...with the exception of a few phrases that he sort of stepped on, it was I thought a remarkably good, effectual, emotional, well written and well delivered speech. It was very "feely-goody" and "hopey-changey" and I think that a great many in the media will fawn over it as will the Obama supporters. Some who were on the fence will probably use this to step down on Obama's side. There was something in that speech designed to appeal to most everyone. But I came away thinking that as good as the speech was, he wasn't really saying anything.

    It was a show. I felt like I was watching a pageant that was trying to sell me the most wonderful man in the world and frankly, it was all a bit surreal. Sometimes I think politics really has become nothing more than a show trying to sell us all a product that once bought can never live up to the hype. It's like buying "As Seen on TV!"

    Anyway, it was a good speech. I expect an enormous bounce. But I didn't really think that Obama actually said anything. Come to think of it, perhaps that's why it will get a bounce.

    lots of theatrics, grandiosity (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:23:04 PM EST
    I've never been to a Britney Spears concert, but toward the end I was fully expecting a space ship to land on the 50 yard line - and Britney pop out.

    I agree A+ (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Miss Led on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17:47 PM EST
    I really appreciated that he laid out what Bush has done wrong. "ENOUGH!" President Bill Clinton created jobs. He was all over Democratic ideals. This is what I have wanted to hear. I feel much better.

    Okay, those shooting flames out of the columns at the end was a bit much!

    I love Joe Biden (5.00 / 5) (#51)
    by Grace on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:07 PM EST
    just because he is who he is.  

    One of the TV stations interviewed a couple of his constituents from Delaware yesterday.  They both said Joe was Joe.  One of them said that you have to ignore the gaffes Joe makes because he has a good heart and he doesn't mean anything by them.  He's a good man.  I'd agree.  I wish more of our politicians were so honest.  

    Proof that it was a home run: (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Ramo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:37 PM EST
    David Brooks didn't like it.

    heh (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20:53 PM EST
    You know what I missed? (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:04 PM EST
    The end of the convention in a hall with balloons falling down and a lot of Dems on stage. Usually there is so much confetti that you can not hardly see the candidates. I know, that sound strange, but with the set like it was it looked like they were crowded back into the wall. I would have liked them more out front and the crowd noise louder. But the speech was good. Of course, the networks went to news as soon as he finished. It looked like a lot of fun with all the fellow Democrats together. Fireworks were nice touch.

    That's exactly what I was thinking. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM EST
    I missed the balloons and all the Democrats coming on the stage. But, then again, I didn't have to see Dean, Pelosi, etc., so maybe that's for the best.

    After a slow beginning (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Jim J on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:23 PM EST
    it morphed into perfect. I love how he took it to McCain over and over again. They won't know what hit them.

    True, (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:30 PM EST
    but at this point it's still "all words".

    I have no clue as to how he plans on getting all these great ideas through the 19% approval rating of our House and Senate.  I mean they've had two years since we put out all of our efforts to get them into power.

    What's he gonna do, even if we get veto-proof majorities in both houses (which still is questionable)?

    Just more words?  Just more promises?  As much as I want to believe in the hope and change, I wouldn't hold my breath.

    I think that the Obama campaign is focussed on winning, and therefore will say and do anything to win.  They are adjusting their message day by day, based on the current polls.

    Does that convince me they actually will deliver on promises?  NO, in capital letters.  I've seen enough already.  It's a big show, and an ever-adjusting message, depending on the direction of the winds, that's all.

    Show me, truly show me, when Obama EVER stood up against the political winds blowing.


    the first thing my partner (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40:33 PM EST
    asked me was What in Obama's history indicates he knows how to accomplish or even instigate 1/4 of the stuff he's promising?

    That was some list!  And even the most skilled of politicians would have trouble getting people on board.  

    But what, exactly, in Obama's fledgling Senate career will assure people he knows enough to be able to successfully implement all he wants?

    This is where the doubts about his Experience will re-emerge.

    That was the main caveat I had as the list grew longer and more ambitious.


    Please do not underestimate McCain (1.00 / 1) (#199)
    by stefystef on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58:15 PM EST
    It is a mistake that will cost the Dems dearly.  He is not a dotting old man you think he is.

    If McCain was that bad, he wouldn't be so close in the polls, he wouldn't have even won a single state in the Primary.

    But he did and he has been closer in the polls than he should be.  McCain (and the Republicans) are moving away from Bush, slowly but surely.  And the conservatives are already moving into place.  

    Fancy speeches won't be remembered in November...


    I was quite impressed. (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Radiowalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:17 PM EST
    I was skeptical about the venue, and worried that he wouldn't be specific.

    He exceeded my expectations.  I feel much better about him as a candidate after tonight.

    Thought the video will be effective (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by zfran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:34 PM EST
    to someone who knows nothing about Sen. Obama. It was very bland and americana. The speech, I thought, was flat. Even understanding what he was trying to accomplish, the crowd didn't even cheer as much as I expected from a crowd that size. Dems always give these sorts of speeches. He had a few good moments, thought the screens of him were too large compared to him, and what will you remember come tomorrow? I will give him credit for looking at his audience during his speech, or so it seemed.

    Excellent speech (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:26:41 PM EST
    Great delivery. Praised the Clinton's and rightfully so.

    Congrats to all Democrats, and probably Independents too.

    We should be proud to be Americans and had the opportunity to see Hillary and Obama come to this point where we are now.


    I'm happy and will vote for Obama.

    Goodnight all!

    I'm still really ticked off with the DNC (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by Bluesage on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:27:12 PM EST
    And I have not been an Obama supporter but this speech tonight was excellent and I really want to trust that it came from his heart as well as his head.  He still has a little work to do for me but I was impressed tonight.  

    For the first time in many months I was able to (5.00 / 7) (#88)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:27:27 PM EST
    watch him with an open mind,  Maybe that is what the Clintons accomplished this week.

    And I do like Joe Biden and how he wears his heart on his sleeve.

    All in all I feel better about this election than I have in a long time.

    You have it exactly right (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by addy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52:50 PM EST
    It's the first time in months where I am able to say "Yes I can vote for this guy with enthusiasm." It really does feel as if the Clintons marked the way, and wow, he really carried it off. Wonderful speech.

    Does it mean I'm a wet blanket if (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by catfish on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:28 PM EST
    the theatrics just stress me out?

    I mean I just wish he were more grounded. Maybe I'm getting old?

    He actually sounded like a Democrat tonight (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by makana44 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:31:53 PM EST
    He made a lot of promises. With a Democratic Congress there will be no excuses not to keep them. BTD says we need to keep him accountable. Indeed! I think it was a great speech. I so disliked his campaign, and everything he has come to stand for, at least to me. Tonight it seems to me he's inevitable. How does McCain respond? I don't see how he can, not adequately. And he clearly learned from the two Clintons. A little partisan red meat needed to be part of the main course. It sure tasted good. (The party of Roosevelt, Kennedy!). He gave Bill props too, finally. So, tonight could be a game changer for me. I hope he keeps the promises he made. I hope he campaigns as a real Democrat. Then I hope he remains one while in office. (That hope thing again :)

    I liked the speech, (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:18 PM EST
    especially that he sounded more like a Democrat and emphasized Democratic accomplishments and principles. His delivery worked much better for me this time too. The post partisan change stuff at the end was a bit of a downer, especially the parts about how old-style politics is about tarnishing your opponents as people. Too many sore spots just yet.

    But altogether, Senator Obama did a great job, and the two families looked gorgeous together at the end.

    Using democratic principles (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by zfran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:26 PM EST
    should have been used all throughout his campaign and it was not. Should we now believe that everything he's said before tonight that was more non-democratic should be discounted because tonight's message was?

    Thank you so much for saying that (5.00 / 4) (#223)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:14:22 PM EST
    I didn't watch the speech, so I guess I missed my opportunity to be transported.  But a speech is just a speech, without the actions to back it up.  I don't see how he can acquire those in the next 2 months, and they are not already on his dance card.

    MLK's speech was in the context of a great fight for justice, and he had a background and experience to back up his intentions.  That makes it more than just a speech, or 'just words.'


    Oh lord (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:33:18 PM EST

    I hope and pray for a re-ban.

    it just seemed like (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:33:31 PM EST
    a longer and polished version of his stump speeches.
    Did you hear anything new?
    Good speech for TV audience though.

    Very good speech (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by robrecht on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:03 PM EST
    More substance was what he desperately needed.  Now he's got to follow through.  No more vacations.

    John Kerry spoke (5.00 / 0) (#119)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:35:21 PM EST
    in front of 77,000 in 2004.  The stadium Obama spoke in tonight holds roughly 70,000.

    And there are a lot of Great Political speeches throughout History.  As effective as this one was, I sincerely doubt it'll be talked about and studied for years to come.

    I heard on POTUS 08 that the (none / 0) (#152)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43:55 PM EST
    stadium holds about 70,000 - but there were an estimated 20-some thousand seated on the field itself - apparently, that's where all the delegates were seated. POTUS estimated over 90,000 between the stadium and the field.

    I just didn't get the ending music - I thought it put a lid on the excitement and while it may have meant to come across as "majestic," it just sounded sad to me.


    I thought that music was great (none / 0) (#184)
    by Exeter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52:53 PM EST
    very presidential, very serious.

    stadium seats 70K, NOT including (none / 0) (#159)
    by coigue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:49 PM EST
    the field, which was also full.

    WOW! (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by s5 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:35:47 PM EST
    Well I haven't watched it yet. I figured I'd wait for the reruns tomorrow on Youtube instead of fighting for a live stream. So I thought that in the meantime, I'd come here for the usual contrarian "he didn't do enough X and Y" - only to find this post!

    It sounds like what started out as a lackluster convention is turning out to be a pretty incredible week for Democrats.

    Really the largest? (5.00 / 0) (#122)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:00 PM EST
    Several come to mind that had larger crowds, but I'm basing that on the capacity I saw for this stadium.

    And it may depend upon which channel you watched.  But C-Span did a camera pan at one point that showed entire sections of empty seats.  I was stunned.  Wasn't this supposed to be SRO?

    Obama as tough guy (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:52 PM EST
    I was always concerned that he was too much Adlai....Tonight he was steely tough....I could see him in the White House in October 1962.  

    In a diaper? (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40:19 PM EST
    Okay.... (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:45:14 PM EST
    That he could handle a similar situation.....It is my gold standard.....McCain would launch an invasion of Cuba resulting in a nuclear war.

    Well (5.00 / 4) (#192)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:55:50 PM EST
    McCain might be wearing a diaper of his own in the White House, of course, but let's leave that alone.  I have no doubt that we would be in deep, deep trouble if a crisis of that sort ever came up with McCain in the White House.

    As for Obama, well, I frankly have no way of knowing what he would do in such a situation.  It takes a lot of character to overrule your older, wiser advisers when they happen to be telling you to do the wrong thing.  I don't know if I would have bet on Kennedy to handle such a situation correctly either, frankly.  This much I know: I'll certainly take my chances with Obama in a crisis as opposed to a guaranteed disaster with McCain!


    JFK listened to RFK (5.00 / 3) (#215)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:05:31 PM EST
    to defuse the Cuban missile crisis.  A famous story, so I won't go into it again here.

    But JFK also listened to warmongers, and then bequeathed many of them to LBJ, who didn't have RFK.

    And Watergate really taught us to measure presidents by the company they keep, the advisors who will lead them this way or that.  So I have looked a lot at Obama's advisers.  And I have to say that I have a lot of worries about his advisers, especially on the economy.  

    I haven't looked much at McCain's list, because he just is not an option for me.  But right now, I don't see signs that either one is going to bring to the seats around the table, and around the desk in the Oval Office, the advisors he -- and we -- really need.


    LOL (none / 0) (#146)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:42:39 PM EST
    The largest political rally ever held? (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40:29 PM EST
    Uh, I don't think so. Lots of rallies held in DC over the years exceeding this.

    But who cares? Why do you have to ruin something by falsely proclaiming it to be the bestest evah?

    I must have a heart of stone (5.00 / 0) (#142)
    by Klio on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:41:22 PM EST

    I thought the speech was quite effective. (5.00 / 4) (#161)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:45:00 PM EST
    But, I don't support an all-out war in Afghanistan, and think it is a little late to capture bin Laden in a cave, which might involve going into Pakistan w/o permission of that government.  I wish Obama would commit himself on a woman's right to choose.  Al Gore sd. what I want Obama to say on that subject.  

    Getting WHAT job done? (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49:30 PM EST
    Another commercial for something that deserves far more than a late-tech, even more removed from the people-type event, that attempts everything within technology to prevent us from connecting us to true leaders with out hearts and souls?

    No thanks, BTD.  The time for us right now is for all of us to speak directly to each other, without the million dollar glory sets, the professional advisors, the corporations supporting this whole f****g parade of excessive tax-payer and our own donation spending on elaborate sets and speeches composed by those who are paying for them.

    It reminds me of the TV Series ROME.  The more the empire got in trouble, the more money they spent on glamorous events such as we now see today.

    My own signature line has, for a long time been "It doesn't take many words to speak the truth."  By Chife Joseph, Nec Perce

    Well, I'm obviously out of the loop, but if we could just get back to speaking the truth without embellishments, we'd be a whole lot better off.

    Whatever happened to speaking from out hearts without fear?  Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, has become so god-damn complicated as just plainly speaking your mind goes.  And, as far as I'm concerned, THAT is what will kill our American culture.  The inability to tell the truth without  having to jump through a hundred (or thousand) message-diluting hoops.

    Not so effective for rapid change, as far as I can see.  And Obama's speech tonight to me is nothing than another credit card bill, another speech that adds to our deficit while our interest is out of control.

    Obama's speech (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by S on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:50:35 PM EST
    I heard Barak Obama channel a lot of Bill Clinton in his speech tonight...from the beginning of his campaign he has used the basics of Bill Clinton's - Putting People First 1992 campaign strategy playbook...

    ...all the while saying he was trying to turn a page on the 1990's...

    ...for the most part this speech is targeted at the voters that Hillary Clinton got...this rhetoric is extremely familiar to them...

    ...right down to Obama's pivot to "this election is about you"

    ...actually the more I think about it...in many ways Hillary channeled Bill first and now that Hill is on the sidelines...Obama has picked up Bill's winning torch to save the middle class and "restore the American Dream"

    I thought the speech was (5.00 / 3) (#182)
    by MichaelGale on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:52:30 PM EST
    very good.  I am mystified as to why he has not spoken like this before now.

    I liked that he covered almost everything, appealing to all America.  I don't know if he can do what he states in re changing so much but I very much liked hearing it.

    I like Joe Biden too. He is someone you would want to have a martini with,don't drink much beer, and talk about everyone in Washington plus I like his family.

    I also liked that he toned it down.

    I am not very enthused about no red or blue, no Dems or Repubs no indys. I like partisan politics.

    He did well.  

    Didn't wind it up......good call (5.00 / 4) (#185)
    by pixpixpix on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53:18 PM EST
    I was expecting Obama to wind up the crowd with a high energy speech and was at first a bit disappointed.

    But I think now that it was a good call. Much more level-headed, less emotional, more sober, less susceptible to criticism.

    There's plenty of opportunity for impasssioned rhetoric on down the road, but sober clear presentation and confronting the failures of the republicans was better in this venue.

    Very Good Speech (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by DaleA on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:56:26 PM EST
    He actually used the 'Deomocratic Party' words. First time I have heard him connect with the party. Superb delivery as usual. Thought he touched on enough points and really went after McCain.

    Thought the set was tacky. Kept waiting for a chorus line of Drag Queens to come out and perform.

    Nuclear energy is not (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Landulph on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:57:28 PM EST
    a "bridge" to renewables; it is a distraction from them, sucking up finite resources that could be more effectively and efficiently invested in other forms of energy. That's like saying Iraq was a "bridge" to Bin Laden's hideout. (It ain't.)

    I had no intention of watching (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by standingup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:57:44 PM EST
    but a thunderstorm ruined other plans.  I think it was the best speech I have heard from Obama.  

    I agree. The best I've heard from him. (5.00 / 2) (#214)
    by shoephone on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:04:01 PM EST
    I also give it an A, despite the small section on guns, gays, gawd and abortion that I wish I he had not mentioned at all.

    I think he did what he had to do to address real issues, promote new policies, and he stuck to his theme of change without sounding too hyperbolic. I thought the last ten minutes or so was the weakest, but all in all, he delivered.

    And as some may recall, I have no been a fan of his. So I can only imagine how excited his supporters feel.


    A reincarnation of our founding fathers. (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58:00 PM EST
    Obama instills the embodiment of our Declaration of Independence! A true revolutionary.

    A good speech not a great one (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:00:00 PM EST
    Down to earth instead of soaring, made for now instead of the history books like the more immediately impressive ones.

    I thought it missed tying up his underlying theme at the end though - he needed to make it explicit that 'Now is the time to make the dream a reality.'

    I believe most have been very (5.00 / 4) (#204)
    by zfran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:00:12 PM EST
    respectful here tonight. All were on-topic and we all have our opinion. One person's great, sometimes equals no so great for someone else's ear. We're all trying to be respectful, especially tonight, please respect us back. Thank you.

    Getting the job done (5.00 / 2) (#218)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06:37 PM EST
    One big disappointment I have now that the convention is over is that TalkLeft didn't share the bird's eye view it had access to. The blogger credentials, I thought, meant that the news of the convention would be impressions of the delegates, the mood that was dominating the delegations, the activists, and the mechanics of the whole process.  The mock conventions I participated in as a teen had policy meetings in breakout sessions, I was a page running notes from one delegation to another while they worked strategies to set policy. The excitement was such that I still talk about the experience 45 years later.

    It only happens once. None are ever the same. This was a particularly big one.

    A Democratic Presidential (5.00 / 2) (#222)
    by KeysDan on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:13:46 PM EST
    speech, just what, in my view, is needed.  More red meat by the candidate himself than by his running mate as is the traditional veep campaign role, demonstrating, particularly in this case, that the older, more experienced member of the team is not there just as a crutch. Moreover, the "Clinton-Bush" period of the now ancient primary campaign has been decoupled to the "last eight years" or the Bush/McCain years.  Even Cheney's  was taken out from his crypt. Overall, a great speech in content and tone; he has done a little better on delivery on past occasions, but the venue was probably a factor. Best of all, was that the speech was not defensive, but rather, a challenge to McCain not easily met.

    His speeches didn't resonate with me... (5.00 / 3) (#224)
    by lucky leftie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:15:31 PM EST
    ,,,during the primaries.  They were too lofty and vague with no details.  This speech was great.  Lots of memorable lines.  He did a great job.    

    His speech was absolutely (5.00 / 3) (#225)
    by ajn44 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:21:07 PM EST
    Amazing! If there are any Hillary supporters that still don't want to support Barack, please help me understand why!!!!!

    The fighting Obama (5.00 / 3) (#226)
    by DeanOR on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:37:38 PM EST
    is what I've been waiting for! This skeptic is very pleased. Also, I was a little uncomfortable with how choreographed everything was, but they pulled it off amazingly well. As an old-timer, I sort of miss the dems traditional chaos, but this was a show that will appeal to people who, unlike me, are used to stadium sport events and huge concerts. It worked here at home on TV. The lead-in speeches were great, the music hip. The whole convention has been uplifting and spirited. Stay tuned for John McCain with Lawrence Welk re-runs and fundy preachers.

    Good stuff (5.00 / 3) (#228)
    by Rashomon66 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:52:40 PM EST
    The speech actually surprised me in the way Obama went after McCain. He was tough and, as a Democrat who likes a good fight, I loved it. It was also nice to see him get away a bit from the usual message of hope [which - while good - we have heard a lot before] and begin to lay out a bit of what he will do if elected. That is an important step.

    historic in scale (5.00 / 3) (#229)
    by indie in CA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:01:40 AM EST
    I'm glad I watched most of the speech tonight. Obama did an outstanding job! I may not like how he got there (as they say in sports "an ugly win") but it is an historically significant night in American politics and his speech and his delivery of it rose to the occasion.

    One critique...as someone already noted, Obama should have acknowledged Al Gore's earlier speech and show of support.

    For Some People... (5.00 / 1) (#230)
    by wellfleetsurf on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 12:16:25 AM EST
    Tonight was a celebration for how far the party has come. If Obama's speech didn't speak to you, then your values are probably not aligned with Democrats (time to stop talking about it and move on).  For my money, he covered the bases, and well.  For those who criticize the senator for not saying enough about history or for using the word "preacher", it's like wagging a finger at Manny Ramirez for holding his hands too far apart after hitting a home run -- you'll never (ever) be satisfied.  No person or political party or politician will ever get it perfect, because by nature we're imperfect.  But as conventions go, they don't get better than this.  

    I'm mildly stunned (5.00 / 2) (#235)
    by OldCity on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:00:55 AM EST
    by the comments.

    Obama hit every talking point the Republicans have raised against him.  He provided details.  He took on the utterly facile "maverick" issue.

    He was elegant in his phrasing.  He referenced fundamental American principles.

    Last I checked, the complaints on this site were that he hasn't done that.  So, he does.  and then I read he doesn't give a date for withdrawal from Iraq?  What do you want him to do in his nomination speech, give you a fscking schedule?  Specifically list all the non-essential government programs currently in the budget?

    Worse, there's this awful criticism the he's talking about the same things.  OF COURSE he is.  How the hell else do you drive a message?  Do any of you have some new and innovative way that politicians and PR people haven't yet heard of?  Did you notice that every speech given by every major politician hit their main themes over and over?  HRC's speech mirrored the talking points of her campaign.  Bill's speech was great (as was HRC's), but he did what he always does...things were great when I was President, now they suck, it's the Republicans' fault, both the Republican administration and the Republicans in Congress, so elect the Democrat.

    What is it you people want?  A cynic?  Elect me, and I'll throw my hands up and not try anything new?  Kennedy, Clinton, they both came in with the same essential reputation as Obama...young, inexperienced, dreamers, too optimistic.  They proved that drive matters.  They proved that a "movement" can take hold.  You commenters ought to think about the historical context...it's clear to me that most of the comments I've read really have their ground in personal dislike rather than in historical precedent or any sense of the possible.  That isn't a hallmark of Democratic, or as the current jargon goes, "progressive" (which we ought to stop using...the only reason it's being used is because "Democrat" and "liberal" were words demonized by the Republicans...take those words back, please) ideals.

    Get your heads on.  Be realistic.  Even if Obama achieves 1/10 of what he wants, we will be 20x better off than if McCain wins.  

    I"m sorry but this sounds like (4.62 / 8) (#35)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:19 PM EST
    the same promises we've heard forever from Democrats.  

    Sorry, I'm just skeptical that he will do even 10% of what he claims without huge tax increases and that would be terrible now.  

    He just doesn't fire me up, it just felt like the same ol', same ol'.  Give me Bill and Hillary.  

    Better than I expected (4.50 / 2) (#213)
    by FreakyBeaky on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:03:59 PM EST
    He actually said "Democrat."  Much more partisan that I had thought it would be, much more focused on Democratic principles per se.  A pretty smart speech.  Sounded a bit like he'd figured out what Hillary had been doing that he hadn't, and incorporated some of it.  A couple of good reach-outs to her voters.  And he took it straight to McCain.  Not a lot of compromise in there.  About friggin' time ...

    It's a start.  Still too much "people in Washington think ... " (there's a name for those specific people in Washington, they're called "Republicans") and vacuous (in my opinion) H&C rhetoric for my taste, but you've got to start somewhere.  Maybe he'll run a fighting dem campaign after all.

    Well, I thought it was pedestrian (4.33 / 12) (#78)
    by lmv on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:23 PM EST
    Delete this if you want.

    My husband wanted to watch the speech but neither one of us were moved emotionally by it.  And, that's the point of an acceptance speech, to come away moved and motivated.

    The laundry list is something we've heard every convention.  I still don't know what exactly Barack Obama would do as president.  He's for education.  Yay!  How?  More teacher pay?  National tests?  Charter schools?  Something new and different?  Nope.  Just the statement that he's for education.  

    Sorry, we're not buying and we're the voters (sorry Jeralyn) he needs.  

    overheard in my hometown (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by hlr on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:28:52 PM EST
    Well, I want my sons to have the same opportunities as his daughters.

    I agree with BT: (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by Howard Zinn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43:21 PM EST
    Toning it down emotionally and rhetorically was a good move, imo.  Most of those who could have been swayed by his emotional approach has already committed.  His target audience is those who wanted to hear a specific agenda and a reminder of the consequences of McCretaceous for 4 years, in the wake of 8 years of Bush.

    If he was going to reference (4.20 / 5) (#9)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:09 PM EST
    the march on Washington at the end of his speech, I think he could have mentioned Dr. Martin Luther King by name.

    I would have liked (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:54 PM EST
    a little more reference to the historic moment as well.

    But I am not going to say much more. My own feelings are too bittersweet and conflicted.


    I don't agree (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:15 PM EST
    I would NOT want Martin Luther King Jr.'s amazing contribution to American to have been trivialized by a political speech and theater.

    It was brought up earlier, and in a classy way.

    Obama was talking about the future of our country, not about the past. And he gave Hillary the credit she is MORE than due.

    Good night for Democrats.


    Really? (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by Addison on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20:40 PM EST
    I thought it was far more powerful to NOT say MLK's name, to reference him as the "preacher," and let people come by the name by themselves. I think anyone who's ever taught any subject know that when you make people think things out it sticks more and means more to them personally.

    What if Hillary called MLK "a preacher" (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:14 PM EST
    without mentioning him by name?

    Would that be equally "powerful" in the way it was for Obama?


    Who cares? (1.00 / 1) (#117)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:46 PM EST
    Why does it matter what color Obama is? Get over it. Don't ask that question. Let it start with you. We are all human beings living in this world. Period, end of story.

    What (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by Desired User Name on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38:50 PM EST
    "Why does it matter what color Obama is?"

    The person said "What if Hillary had ..."
    Not what if a white person.
    And didn't mention a thing about Obama's color.
    Am I missing something here?


    Oh come on... (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:11 PM EST
    He mentioned Kennedy by name a few times.
    He even mentioned Roosevelt.

    The anniversary spoke for itself... (5.00 / 0) (#145)
    by Addison on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:42:20 PM EST
    ...and MLK was not a Democratic president and this a Democratic convention. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    To act like this was an insult is bizarre. What motivation? What benefit? Why?

    It's irrational to frame it that way.


    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:38 PM EST
    It's really weird to act like someone gratuitously insulted MLK when they obviously would have no reason to... if you're following my train of thought here!

    Obama brought up the march on Washington (5.00 / 0) (#172)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49:25 PM EST
    Obama brought up the march on Washington during the democratic convention.

    I think he could have credited Dr. King by name.


    Yes. A show of respect (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by MKS on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40:00 PM EST
    ....Many Jewish people do not spell out the name of G-d.....

    MASSIVE SLAM on Hillary (4.33 / 3) (#65)
    by Desired User Name on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20:46 PM EST
    "For 18 months the people have stood up against the politics of the past."

    Yeah, most of the speech was fine, but the fact that he got THIS FAR without ever stating what it was he "promised to do" is sickening.
    And that sneaky slam on Hillary is wretched and totally unnecessary.

    His stumbles while discussing the economy was not good and the only saving grace is that McCain doesn't know much about the economy either.

    He really should have said Martin Luther's name...maybe even more than once.


    Disagree (4.20 / 5) (#190)
    by miriam on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:55:23 PM EST
    Look, I take second place to no one in my admiration for Hillary Clinton, and I did not hear that as a slam.  If you heard it that way, why do you think she stands for the politics of the past?  I heard it as the Democratic nominees, not solely Obama.  I think at some point we need to try to not take offense at everything Obama says, and not assume he's insulting Hillary.  We really need to move on...if we possibly can.  I'm trying hard, very hard, because I just cannot bear 4 more years of Republicans.  And I don't think our country can bear it either.

    Um (3.50 / 2) (#216)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06:01 PM EST
    the people have stood up against the politics of the past

    pretty clearly refers to people getting involved in the political process again or doing so for the first time after feeling they couldn't have any effect and now believing they can.


    Yes, this was (none / 0) (#171)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49:20 PM EST
    an uncomfortable moment and I don't know why he did it but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt at the time. It seemed pretty direct, but... perhaps it was just clumsy.

    One of the few errors ... (none / 0) (#193)
    by FreakyBeaky on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:56:04 PM EST
    I thought, given the content of the rest of the speech, he most likely intended to include Hillary's supporters among those who have spent the last 18 months standing up against the politics of the past.  This time I think it was just an error.

    MLK's 35 year old march is an old idea (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ding7777 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:35 PM EST
    Obama willing to "grasp"

    What BTD Said (3.33 / 6) (#21)
    by john horse on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:10:05 PM EST
    It was a great speech.  Anyone who gives it a "lukewarm reception" either has a hearing problem or is a Bush/McCain supporter or is someone who just doesn't know.

    Good grief (1.00 / 0) (#168)
    by Jim J on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:47:37 PM EST
    there really is no pleasing some of you. Where is Jeralyn tonight to ban all critical comments, as she threatened a few hours ago? For once I might agree with her.

    We do not delete criticisms (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:50:30 PM EST
    At least I do not.

    Ending with country music (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:59:22 PM EST
    is questionable, though the lyrics are just right . Otherwise, very well executed.

    You'd be surprised how many people he touched (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20:05 PM EST
    just by having that music. I used to live in Texas, and there are many folks who will feel included because of it.

    He hit every demographic tonight; that had to be
    their main goal. The music, I think, was part of the message of inclusion.

    The speech was really good. When he mentioned the former presidents, Roosevelt and Kennedy, it would have been great if he had said, "and Clinton."

    But, it was an excellent speech!


    That's absurd (5.00 / 0) (#151)
    by lmv on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43:37 PM EST
    As I've said many times, I live in a red state.

    The idea that you just play a little Brooks and Dunn or Sugarland and the rubes fall into line is beyond the pale.

    This is the same old pandering that Democrats try to win the South year after year.  How's that working?


    My point here is part of a broader concept. It (none / 0) (#227)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:41:28 PM EST
    certainly wasn't an implication that Southerners are rubes and that a little Willie and Waylon is all they need. As I was watching the speech, I was partially watching it more as an analyst, or speech writer would, to determine its effectiveness. I noticed how the writer had touched on almost every demographic in America.

    And, when the music started playing, I just laughed and told my husband (a Texan), that they were trying to shore up votes in Texas.

    But, all joking aside, winning over voters, or anyone, involves making them feel that you appreciate who they are. Persuasion can be a very subtle endeavor.

    It would be naive to presume that music only would get anyone's vote, whether it be in the South or in New York. Nevertheless, persuation has much to do with identification and sometimes it requires a refined, delicate, and sophisticated approach. If music can accentuate that, then utilize it.

    Furthermore, I am a Southerner, and almost nothing angers me more than reducing people from the South to caricatures. I have been the victim of such characterizations; but, it is usually a tactic used by the ill-informed.

    But, if I'm in the business of winning people over, I would not neglect to use a seemingly minor preference, musical or otherwise, if I thought it would be an effective measure to bring them on board my ship. For the Obama team, it could have been a way to say, "Welcome aboard!"

    With that said, there were several things missing from the speech that I wanted to see, but I won't go into that. I am still getting over my disappointment that Hillary is not our nominee. Those feelings are hard to articulate.

    Sorry if I offended you.


    Every event in Colorado ends with a song just like (5.00 / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:22 PM EST
    that one. It just does.

    The music (5.00 / 0) (#126)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:37 PM EST
    The music comes right on so that no one has a chance to think about what they thought they heard or didn't hear.

    The music tells us we're supposed to feel something warm and fuzzy about America.


    Country music and flags everywhere was... (5.00 / 1) (#208)
    by Exeter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:02:24 PM EST
    pure genious, imo.  It was all aimed at the right demographic, he needs to convert to win.

    No (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:02:07 PM EST
    It is respect. Like thanking the Clintons at the top.

    I have to say, this was almost perfect (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:03:29 PM EST
    I don't really have much criticism.

    I think all the Republicans are left with (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:59:56 PM EST
    are complaints about Doric columns.

    Music was fine, but I wished they hadn't cued it (none / 0) (#13)
    by DFLer on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:16 PM EST
    up so soon. I would have preferred a moment of the Obama and the crowd...savoring the energy of the moment. When they cranked up the tune, you couldn't hear the crowd anymore.

    I thought he got the job done well...yeah an A..very strong on the domestic policy vision.


    Colorado (none / 0) (#14)
    by Oje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:34 PM EST
    What were the LYRICS? (none / 0) (#131)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38:16 PM EST
    I mean, in general terms.

    Assuming those rural voters (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:02:06 PM EST
    are gettable.

    It would sure help in Virginia.

    Bittersweet for me (none / 0) (#7)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:03:00 PM EST
    I wish I could be more proud. The end was good.

    I wish I were moved. I'm not. (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:51 PM EST
    if the campaign was the speech, (none / 0) (#25)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:17 PM EST
    he'd win it hands down, no question.

    But after McCain's speech at his Convention, the real race with the ads, the debates, the campaign spin to buttress or refute the media spin, the unearthing of old garbage ... all of that will begin.

    Obama will see a temporary uptick in fundraising, perhaps, but will still battle the experience question, especially in light of the laundry list of Change he proposed.  

    And we seriously don't know what the Republicans have up their sleeves.  We assume, but we don't know.

    It was a good speech, but that is what Obama does so very, very well.

    Yes, the reality is that McCain will (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:37:44 PM EST
    be announcing his VP more or less any moment now, and the attention is going to shift in that direction - although Hurricane Gustav may have other plans for media coverage.

    I had to keep reminding myself - this is what Obama does: he gives speeches, he says what people want to hear (well, they all do that), but when I pull back the top layer, there's not much there that gives me the level of trust I kind of need.

    It's clear that people want to believe - after 8 years of this abominable administration, they want to believe there is something better out there for them.

    As I told my husband, who worked late tonight: it was a pretty good speech, I just wish someone else had been delivering it.  


    Hey Anne (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43:58 PM EST
    This is O/T, but I hope you will stick around.  I find your comments to be consistently thoughtful and thought-provoking. The comment section will suffer without you.

    Thanks for the kind words - (none / 0) (#174)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:49:45 PM EST
    I am feeling my way in light of Jeralyn's post from earlier, and taking it one comment at a time...

    Huuricane Gustav (none / 0) (#167)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:47:03 PM EST
    Hurricane Gustav may lead to other plans for the GOP too as they make potential plans to postpone the start of their convention so it doesn't look like a repeat of Katrina for them.

    speech (none / 0) (#28)
    by DefenderOfPants on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:12:47 PM EST
    i thought it was pretty great speech. except the bit about clean coal. and, yeah, the music at the end didn't really seem appropriate.

    As I have said before on this topic (none / 0) (#31)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13:12 PM EST
    you can speak for me.

    Most vocal & forceful defense of progressivism (none / 0) (#34)
    by DWCG on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:10 PM EST
    ...that I've heard from Obama yet.

    If he lives up to it - if he uses his great oratorical talents to defend the principles under which we all unite under the Democratic Party banner he just might live up to that which we all HOPE for.

    Well, then again (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Gabriele Droz on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:53 PM EST
    he HAD to do something like that, give his recent poll ratings.  Will he live up to his promises?  Who knows.  I sure don't.

    Not a speech. A symphony. (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:42 PM EST
    Says David Gergen.

    Gergen (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:20:34 PM EST
    just looking for work in the Obama administration.  Good yes but one for the annals.   No.  

    You know, if they would just let him be human (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:39 PM EST
    I'd be a lot happier about this. I think Bill Clinton could have given this same speech. That's why I liked it. I wish they'd cut out the superman talk because it gets on my nerves. He couldn't have given a speech for me that was better. His supporters in the media can stuff it though.

    The CNN folks surely do talk (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:25:34 PM EST
    alot about "koolaid."

    Probably (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:26:58 PM EST
    because that's the only beverage Donna serves.

    I really can't stand to even see that woman's (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:51:16 PM EST
    image on TV. Or Howard Deans's either.

    I'm still furious with both of them and don't think I'll be getting over it (any time soon).
    Brazile, probably never.


    Yes, yes, yes!! (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:07 PM EST
    I was thinking the same thing; Obama was channeling Bill Clinton!

    Me too! (none / 0) (#217)
    by 1040su on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:06:34 PM EST
    There were parts of the speech that were almost exactly things that the Clintons said.  I'd like to think it was a signal to them that - ok, I get it!  We're DEMOCRATS 1st & foremost.  I liked the speech enough that I've gotten to the point where if it looks too close for comfort (I live in NY), I'll vote for him.  Otherwise, Cynthia it is.  McCain is just not an option.

    HRC (5.00 / 3) (#220)
    by Brookhaven on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:12:19 PM EST
    HRC gave these type of speeches all throughout the primaries but got whacked because many pundits said she was too wonkish even though they said she had the working class people who were her audience in awe.

    She connected with people like me as he didn't in terms of what she wanted to do to concretely help all of us and our kids have better lives.  Not some lofty hope and change merchandise that means nothing but soothes the brow of those who just longed for something different from the Bushies but was never specific.  Change what?  To what?  How?  

    I disliked that he wasn't a partisan.  I've been a Dem for over twenty years, have never voted Republican and will not vote for McCain.  Obama was never informed or passionate about Dem principles as HRC is informed and passionate. He  an opportunist who would do or say anything to quell his ambition to higher office without doing much in the way of delivering to his constituents.  

    He preached non-partisan rhetoric which fell flat with me because that means he wasn't going to fight with the opposition who have done all they could to dismantle the New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Society principles that had been hard fought for and won and which the Republicans have rabidly and single-mindedly tried to dismantle for two decades.  And, they're not giving up that rabid fight.  

    I want a fighter who fights those sob's off with a Dem stick and I don't feel Obama has the inner resolve or instinct to do that.  He wants to get along with them not be their adversary to get Dem principles/ideas/programs passed for the greater good.  Which has been HRC's passion and MO for decades.  

    One thing is for sure. HRC made him a better candidate and a better debater (although that's still one of  his greatest weaknesses) and communicator and he has her in large part to thank for what we saw this evening on our TV's.  

    So, yes, it was a very good political speech because it was specific and mostly delivered in an intimate way to the TV audience and not to his adoring minions.

    I loathed the Oscar show setting.  I loathed hated it.

    But, I think he did connect with some undecided voters and he has HRC to thank.

    So, as an HRC supporter for years (she's my Senator), like some others who posted here this evening, this is very bittersweet for me because it's HRC who should have been delivering that speech this evening.  She was the one who earned it by hard word for years and years who knew her stuff.  She was prepared, informed, curious, a policy wonk and hard worker who won over her most rabid enemies in the Senate and who said she was the example to follow for those entering the Senate.  Obama didn't follow her lead as a Jr. Senator as we all know.    

    In this contest, HRC was Socrates to his student and Socrates had to sit in that audience watching him deliver a speech that would not have been given if not for teacher. That me as her student felt she should have been giving this evening.

    Further, I don't trust him to deliver what he promised because I feel in my gut he has no deep beliefs in Dem principles.  This and his flip flopping on FISA especially and other issues continues to give me great pause in pulling that lever for him in Nov.  

    It's gonna be a long two months for me to be convinced.  There is still some wiggle room for him to do just that but not much.  And, time is running out.  

    So, it's mixed feelings for me this evening and very bittersweet ones indeed.


    Masterpiece, says Gergen. (none / 0) (#41)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:15:21 PM EST

    Of Course he did (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:06 PM EST
    I have no doubt that Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman also waxed poetically about this new God of their's.  

    Matthews just re-read parts (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:46 PM EST
    of the speech to the crowd, in a roaring voice.

    And of course, his leg was tingling.


    Chrissy Mathews and his Restless Leg Syndrome (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Desired User Name on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:26:37 PM EST
    hahaha, the tingle thing will follow him forever.
    I can't watch MSNBC so I am missing out on what those sycophants are salivating about...I can imagine it's a LOVE FEST :=}

    Olberman didn't even try to restrain himself. He (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:32:22 PM EST
    was in "Obama Heaven."

    I hope he was wearing Depends or he's probably in trouble!


    After the speech (5.00 / 2) (#206)
    by sallywally on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:01:03 PM EST
    I couldn't stand any of the commentors (Michael Beschloss on PBS threw me into a fit by saying Hillary should have apologized to Obama for the nasty things she said during the primary) and the MSNBC crowd made me want to barf, so I switched to Stewart and Colbert.

    If Obama could stay this progressive I might be able to vote for him and even maybe put a sign in my yard. I'd love to be able to support him fully but I'm far from trusting him that much.


    I liked the streamers and fireworks and confetti (none / 0) (#53)
    by catfish on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:38 PM EST
    You all are having a good moment and I don't want to say anything negative.

    Joe Biden really got me last night, and his mom didn't hurt either.

    Joe Biden really does have a winning (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:52 PM EST

    yes, he does - and wife too (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:23:52 PM EST
    He was like Jimmy Stewart (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by catfish on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:15 PM EST
    C-Span replayed his speech this morning. I just loved it. Not especially brilliant in content, but really really great.

    "When the bigger kids would beat on me, my mom said -- and this is the god-honest truth -- she said, 'Joe, bloody their nose so you can show your face again.'"

    And momma Biden in the stands said "yes, that's true."

    Loved it!


    You're right. The Biden family could easily be (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by DeborahNC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:41:33 PM EST
    cast into a Jimmy Stewart-like film. They were charming.

    So were the Obama girls. They are adorable!


    We need a new thread (none / 0) (#54)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:51 PM EST
    Comedy Central has a great parody bio film -- think Lion King!

    Fox News in bizzaro world (none / 0) (#58)
    by Slado on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:13 PM EST
    Brit, Bill and Fred liked the speach.

    Nina and Juan didn't like it.

    Go Figure.

    I was too busy watching the Commodores thump Miami (OH) to watch but I'll read it tomorrow.

    BTD, How much the Gators win by this weekend?  I say 31.  Just wish June Jones hadn't skipped out of town before he could get his thumping from Mr. Heisman.

    there was one place in the speech (none / 0) (#82)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:26:19 PM EST
    where it seemed a transition was missing. Did you hear that?

    Yes, I did (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:27 PM EST
    Now I can't remember the two topics, but it was jarring.

    Maybe he had an edit and (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by zfran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:38 PM EST
    it wasn't patched correctly.

    Or, he put in a bit of an adlib and (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:43:22 PM EST
    didn't realize it would hit a deadend.

    I agree - interesting comments here. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Hozzie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:30:35 PM EST
    Interesting comments here, as usual.

    I've noted some of the comments on ahem conservative blogs. One of the more striking is that the "content" of Senator Obama's "change" message (to the extent the content can be determined; no insult intended) seems to ascribe to government a very large role in sorting out the troubles and challenges of ordinary Americans.

    I think that's probably right. Being as America remains, in my view, a laissez-faire nation of "doers", Senator Obama's "content" may not be the "content" Americans want. November will tell.

    I didn't see the speech (being as I am in Australia), but I read the transcript, and while parts of it were moving (even to read!), I'd be concerned that it's a bit "down", too, in the sense that it's about where America has failed. A certain demographic just isn't going to want to hear that.

    Did he talk at all (none / 0) (#118)
    by seeker on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:34:52 PM EST
    about Executive Power, Balance of Power, the Constitution?  If he did, I missed it.  During the final 15 minutes or so, I kept wishing he would mention the subject.

    But in general, it was a good speech.

    I don't believe he mentioned those issues (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:38:43 PM EST
    No- (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by lentinel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:44:57 PM EST
    He didn't mention the constitution.
    He didn't mention Executive power.
    He didn't mention the Patriot Act.
    He didn't mention undoing FISA.

    He mentioned having a proposal for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, but didn't say precisely what it was.


    Planned remarks (none / 0) (#186)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53:22 PM EST
    here. I didn't hear anything about that, but I hope Biden's been keeping a list on the Judiciary committee of all the #$%^@% that Bush/Cheney have honeycombed throughout our government. That's going to be the biggest job after Iraq and the economy, IMO.

    I'll take your word the speech was good. (none / 0) (#138)
    by WillBFair on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40:12 PM EST
    I didn't listen. I've heard enough of his canned rhetoric to last me.
    And sure enough. I tuned in for a second and heard that we've lost our sense of shared purpose. Please. Does he actually believe that bull?
    How I'll miss the Clintons' clear, precise, and elegant speech.
    Oh well. Here's hoping he takes office in a landslide.

    whatever you think of it (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by coigue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:42:43 PM EST
    or of him, the sppech was historic.

    Too bad you missed it.


    It's a good speech if it works (none / 0) (#144)
    by Dadler on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:41:42 PM EST
    That means...if enough people who would be swayed by it were even watching.  

    We shall see.

    Though I didn't like the "friend of Georgia" nonsense or associating Afghanistan with those who attacked us on 9/11 -- and if he thinks we're going to save Afghanistan, he's a loon.  Afghanistan is as lost as Iraq is -- it was lost as soon as Iraq became a war.  And it ain't coming back the way we want.

    I thought it would have been smarter and classier to flip his order of thanking the Clintons.  Hillary was his opponent in this election, he should have started with Bill and then talked about how Bill's speech was only topped by Hillary's.

    These are small things, I'm picking nits in a way, but I still have this nagging fear, though I will certainly cast a vote for him, that he really won't be able to fight hard for a goal without utterly diluting it in the process.

    I worry about his will to fight politically when he so clearly states he wishes a politician's fights WEREN'T political.

    But, again, he's got my vote, it doesn't really matter.  What matters are those on the fence AND whether the election fraud that will UNDOUBTEDLY occur will be enough to defeat him -- since he made no mention of our elections being privatized affairs now, at the mercy of computer code we the people are not allowed to control, well, don't even start me on the nightmare I worry about.  You think the last two elections were stolen, they were only preludes, I fear, to an even bigger electoral fiasco.

    I hope I am wrong.


    I don't watch Republican conventions (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58:35 PM EST
    so I certainly wouldn't know, but I just got an email from a once-Republican friend who is one of those whom you mention -- on the fence now.

    He said he was horrified by what he saw tonight as too slick and "too Republican."  And too much religiosity, he said, as it's one of the things that turned him away from his former party as it morphed into -- well, apparently into what the Democrats are doing.

    I did look up at the end tonight and saw heads bowed.  Were they all looking at their text messages, or was there a closing prayer?

    I know there was an opening prayer on the first day -- and it was awful, denouncing a Democratic platform plank.  I'm not going to mention that to the guy on the fence.

    As for the election fraud, I agree.  I'm guessing that this year, Virginia will join the list with Florida and Ohio.  Virginia is the closest state in all the polls for some time now, so if the Republicans are picking their victim, that's it.


    They have opened every session (5.00 / 0) (#209)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:02:41 PM EST
    with an invocation, delivered by a different member of the religious community, and closed each session with a benediction, ditto.

    Apparently, God was invited to the convention, too.


    McCain campaign released a (none / 0) (#175)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:50:20 PM EST
    rebuttal statement.

    I thought they said no politics tonight?? (3.00 / 0) (#195)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:57:26 PM EST
    John McCain "just doesn't get it"?

    Great Speeches (none / 0) (#233)
    by Nevile on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:01:16 AM EST
    Barack Obama gave a great speech.  So did Joe Biden.  So did Bill Clinton.  So did Hillary Clinton.  What the last three have in common that the first one lacks is a track record.  Joe Biden is the one that impressed me most of all, not only because of the sincerity and eloquence that he expressed his views with, but because of his long track record backing up his words.  Bill and Hillary said what they had to say - eloquently as always - but in the end, their assertions that Obama has the qualifications to be president were just that:  assertions without proof to back them up.  After Hillary spoke, I turned to my daughter and said:  "Eat your hearts out, Democrats.  This is the candidate you could have - and should have - had!"  She agreed with me.

    Obama talks beautifully and movingly, but ultimately talk is cheap.  Where's the beef?  Where is the record of his accomplishments, not his talk? It isn't there because Obama has not had the time to accumulate it. He's been too busy running for president to build it up.  

    His clarion call for action in Afghanistan bears little weight.  There are probably thousands of taxicab drivers and barber shop philosophers throughout the nation who have been not only vocal, but eloquent, on the need to take action in Afghanistan, but that does not qualify any of them to be president of the United States.

    Moreover, when the chips were down, and he was called to his duty as a senator to chair his committee to hold hearings on Afghanistan, he blew them off to pursue his own personal ambition.  That dereliction of duty is indicative of Senator Obama's character.  It defines him, as all actions do.  It defines him as a man long on ambition, and short of a sense of duty.

    For all his golden oratory, Obama is still a lightweight whose rhetoric does not match John McCain's long record of service and achievement. Even Joe Biden - before he was tapped to the number two slot - once said that he would be honoured to be on the same ticket with McCain.   Ever hear the phrase "the wisdom of experience"?  Experience is a critical component of judgement.  John McCain has both in spades.

    Afganistan... (none / 0) (#236)
    by 18anapple2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:06:06 AM EST
    "I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights."
    Obama bases his entire appeal on the fact the he was against the war in Iraq but had the foresight to call  for Afganistan to be the central theatre in the "war against terrorism"

    BUT !?! "You don't defeat -- you don't defeat a terrorist network that operates in 80 countries by occupying Iraq. "

    Obama imo contradicts himself with this statement..can one really defeat a terrorist network that operates in 80 countries by then ATTACKING and occupying
    (which by the way the soviets tried and failed miserably)

    obviously not ..it is a law and order issue requiring a concerted effort by intelligence agecies across the world sharing reources and information and always has been...as has been proven by the steady arrests and capture of his agents across the world by law agencies in various countries and lest you argue that Al queda was restricted to Afganistan at that time and only grew in the interim that's not true and is easily proven .
    Obama does the US and those us living in the region a great disservice when he beats these drums of war.

    I am apalled to read here on THIS site (left..anti war!) democrats endorsing indeed cheering Obama on to "act" in Afganistan. The American people are being set up for aother war..and it is still about the oil!Afganistan (and Georgia too) are key in the entire race for Caspian oil.
    google "Caspian oil pipelines"and you will come up with pages upon pages of articles detailing how pivotal Afganistan is in securing caspian oil

    Indeed like in the movie Blood Diamond..thank god it's diamonds not oil!

    And believe me when I say that all this saber rattling does not endear Obama abroad nor helps in "restoring America's standing" in the world!