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Barack Obama

His moment approaches. I'll live blog the proceedings from 10:00 pm on below the fold. Here is the prepared text of Obama's speech:

. . . Tonight, I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and Independents across this great land – enough! This moment – this election – is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: “Eight is enough.”

This is a very very shrewd video. Excellent.

This video is a home run for me. This is not about history, even though it is, it is about an All American Heartland, salt of the earth Barack Obama. And it works. At least for me.

Good simple entrance. I like this hour. Maybe the stadium scared them into the right approach.

Good - he just starts the speech over the crowd. The attitude tonight is right.

Shout outs to the Clintons at the top of the speech. Very smart.

They got their heads screwed on right tonight. This is gonna be a big night.

This is the right speech for the occasion and he is delivering it beautifully. This is a home run imo.

"Eight IS Enough" sounds hokey, but that is part of its power. Why? Because you will remember it. And if you remember it you will remember that McCain is running for Bush's Third Term. The hokey phrase was no accident. It had a purpose.

BTW, this is a TV speech. This is not a speech for the live crowd. There are not that many applause lines per se. The crowd wants them but he knows his business. He is speaking to 40 million, not 80,000 in Denver.

A very professional political performance. Axelrod and Obama are on top of this thing. This speech is very reassuring to me as a question of politics.

This speech will get lukewarm reviews afterwards. I give it a rave, for that very reason. He brought it back down to Earth. He rolled up his sleeves. Even the fact that his makeup is getting a bit sweaty works for him. A little rough. A little effort. A little less cool. A lot more real. This is a winner.

A Clinton State of the Union Speech now.

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  • I predict (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:48:56 PM EST
    it will be the most wonderfullest speech ever given at the convention.

    :)

    Turns out you were right (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by DemForever on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:49:22 PM EST
    Pfffffffffft. (none / 0) (#173)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:50:38 PM EST
    You know what? (none / 0) (#185)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:12 PM EST
    It's only a good speech if he wins in November, and then it just another one for the history books...

    the history that's not rewritten.

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    OMG (5.00 / 0) (#2)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:48:56 PM EST
    Did I fall down a rabbit hole? Is this American Idol?

    if it helps him win, (none / 0) (#13)
    by Lil on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:54:55 PM EST
    I don't care if it does. Bush won that way and his policies sucked.

    If that's what it takes to get elected, so be it.

    Parent

    American Idol? (none / 0) (#43)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:03:42 PM EST
    Are Simon, Paula and Randy at the convention?

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    Eight is Enough! (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:49:24 PM EST
    that was a pretty bad tv show too

    somebody quick (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:31 PM EST
    have his add "years"  Eight years are enough.  Otherwise he's risky the Bradford family vote!  

    Parent
    Grant Goodeve (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:54:59 PM EST
    will never forgive him.

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    lol (none / 0) (#16)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:55:22 PM EST
    I was just going to reply 'Me too' to the tv show comment, but yours is a much better reply.

    Parent
    Were all those little (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:52:33 PM EST
    American flags made in China?

    We're naturally cynics at my house (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by zyx on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:52:50 PM EST
    and my husband really doesn't like Obama, I mean lots. And I told him this was a big speech for Obama--a speech to convince people like himself.

    I hope Obama can make some progress with people like my husband (and myself). I really do. This is where this candidate has got to start getting more traction.

    Obama will knock it out of the park (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:01:54 PM EST
    But after 19 months of campaigning, ask an Obamabot about Obama's plans and solutions and you'll get - "he'll bring change."
    sigh


    Parent
    looks like a blast (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:08 PM EST
    Dems having fun and organizing= great event

    Organizing is hard work (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:15:44 PM EST
    and rarely done in funny hats with rock stars in front of you.  In windowless rooms, in the streets, that's where organizing is done.

    Parent
    Finally! he affirms the Clinton admin (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:16 PM EST
    >>>>We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President - when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.


    It sure took him long enough! (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:57:23 PM EST
    isn't that exactly what Clinton said in his (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:57:56 PM EST
    speech?

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    Of course. "Just words." (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:54 PM EST
    Just skimmed a little of the speech (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:56:14 PM EST
    Obama says his grandmother worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle management. Actually she was a VP of the largest bank in Hawaii, hardly middle management. And his poor mom on food stamps had a college degree and then a PhD. His stepfather was a geologist with a good job with an oil company.

    This schtick is getting old. I am surprised the Republicans don't call him on it. Next thing you know he'll say he went to a one room school house instead of the most expensive, elite prep school in Hawaii. Yeesh!

    Believe me (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59:15 PM EST
    the republicans will call him on it now.

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    He should brag about her (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:59 PM EST
    achievement instead of downgrading it. His mother's PhD too. I read somewhere that she worked with microlending to poor people in 3rd world countries. That was way ahead of the curve.

    Parent
    Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:21:53 PM EST
    was way ahead of the curve on microloans.

    Parent
    well the people who care about that... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:59 PM EST
    ...are of course probably on board with Barack.

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    I care about that very much and (none / 0) (#195)
    by miguelito on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13:56 PM EST
    am fascinated by Kiva and the like and I'm no Obama-lover.  I think it'd be good for him to talk about that more.

    Parent
    FYI (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:28 PM EST
    bank VP is middle management, at best.  Small banks have a dozen or so, large ones thousands.  Working your way up from the sec. pool to VP at a bank is maybe three steps most of the time.  It's where they put women employees-- nice-sounding title with little pay or authority.

    Otherwise, though, I agree with you entirely.

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    My son worked at a large bank (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:07:16 PM EST
    and the VP's were definitely not considered middle management. Granted there were quite a few of them, but they had a lot of people under them and they made big money.
    The small bank where my family banked when I was young only had a couple of them.

    Parent
    Not only that, but don't forget (none / 0) (#199)
    by JDM in NYC on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17:25 PM EST
    that Al Gore grew up in a very classy hotel in DC.

    This is snark, by the way.

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    This is the day they call him on it (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:26:03 PM EST
    hang on a mo' your mother was part of an educational elite!   So was your pa.

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    the media will never (5.00 / 0) (#138)
    by kenosharick on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:42 PM EST
    call him on it. BTW- Is it the arena or did he get way less applause than Hillary?

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    Sure looks like a beautiful evening in denver (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:56:49 PM EST
    I'm really  missing Colorado about now.

    It really is (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:03:38 PM EST
    I'm amazed. It was the nicest day in weeks and the first this week with no threat of rain. It's gorgeous here - no wind, no bugs, temps in the 70s, 29% humidity. It's heavenly.

    Despite all the bad things that could have happened with the weather this week, the weather today could not possibly be better.

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    My theatre background... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:57:19 PM EST
    has me snapping my fingers 'pick up your cues! Too much air, pick it up!'

    Durbin takes the stage (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59:18 PM EST
    to introduce the video that will introduce Obama.

    Another Lincoln reference. Better than Reagan references of the Repubs I suppose.

    That's it? (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kredwyn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:00:11 PM EST
    He gets nominated to be the Democratic nominee, and that's all he's got?

    Um, pardon me (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:00:35 PM EST
    but
    Tonight, I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and Independents across this great land - enough!

    Shouldn't he be focusing on the Democrats seeing how it's the Democratic convention and all? It's bad enough he had a Republican put his name in nomination yesterday, but this is a bit silly. If you're trying to convince people to vote for you and not the Republicans, perhaps pandering them and showing the people who voted for them in the past supporting you isn't the best of all possible ideas? Just saying.

    I really didn't like a Republican (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:17:00 PM EST
    doing the nominating speech, all these Republicans tonight.  Nice of them to stop by now, but the conventions used to reward the longtime loyalists.

    So millennial of the New Dems, per studies of the generational divide about loyalty -- to anything.

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    meet you rnow overlords Democrats. (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:59 PM EST
    The same halfwits that wnet along with Bush for 8 years or so, and gave you Reagan and Bush I.

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    I agree- (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by kenosharick on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:35 PM EST
    it seems like every time I turned on the convention there was another repub speaking. They seem more concened with going after their votes than those of disaffected Dems!

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    I agree- (none / 0) (#157)
    by kenosharick on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:37:38 PM EST
    it seems like every time I turned on the convention there was another repub speaking. They seem more concened with going after their votes than those of disaffected Dems!

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    No (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:15 PM EST
    He needs to stress what Republicanism is.

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    It just feels like Amazon.com marketing (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:03 PM EST
    If you loved Ronald Reagan and Bush 41, you'll love ME!

    It seems like a better idea to say 'even if you are a republican, we have things in common. Here they are. This is what I stand for.'

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    The reverse (none / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:05:58 PM EST
    Meaning? (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:06:56 PM EST
    I'm not being argumentative -- I just want you to clarify what you're saying.

    Parent
    It's really got to put ... (none / 0) (#126)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:30:18 PM EST
    ...long term Democratic voters in a bad mood to see GOP peeps do all these things for us.  That Clinton even had to knuckle under for Obama shows that he's seeing some crumbling polling data right now...it's amazing that he could feel confident enough to continue after seeing the late primaries flock to Clinton.

    Parent
    No matter how angry many of us have been, (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:00 PM EST
    this is amazing history. I'm about to cry and not from anger this time. I don't know how he can walk out there and not cry, too.

    it is amazing history (5.00 / 9) (#45)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:03:57 PM EST
    and I wish that it had not been tarnished for me. I wish I could be proud of my party at this historic moment.

    Parent
    I feel sad about that part too. But, I think of (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:09:08 PM EST
    this wonderful black woman who cleaned for us and sometimes babysat for us. My father was in a bad car wreck and she visited him often in the hospital. A truly wonderful woman. I can't help but wonder what she would feel tonight.

    Parent
    Maybe so. I'm glad our country reached the (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Teresa on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:15:25 PM EST
    point she had a choice

    Parent
    Bittersweet, Teresa. (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:13:41 PM EST
    For me too.

    And for the Clintons.

    Worked for this all our lives.

    Just didn't expect it to be delivered quite this way...or in this package.

    Yes.  Bittersweet.

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    I was wondering what (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:16:08 PM EST
    Bill and Hillary felt at this moment, one of equality they both worked their whole lives for.

    To say this is bittersweet for us all is an understatement.

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    I would expect Hillary feels (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by Upstart Crow on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:19:19 PM EST
    like he ripped off her speeches.

    Isn't this whole shtick -- mid-America scenarios of Average Americans -- her hallmark?

    Parent

    Great artists steal (2.50 / 2) (#97)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:20:04 PM EST
    The great ones give credit. (5.00 / 7) (#102)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:12 PM EST
    The rest are called scam artists.  Really, it's a myth that great people plagiarize.  If they do, they're not great.  

    Parent
    He just mentioned Bill and Hillary (4.00 / 2) (#124)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:29:45 PM EST
    Do you want for him to read footnotes?

    Puhleez.

    Parent

    When using specific ideas (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09:17 PM EST
    yes, attribution is good.

    Granted, he didn't lift five pages like a certain VP nominee.

    Parent

    I suspect that based on what I've observed (none / 0) (#90)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:18:18 PM EST
    of HRC it's more sweet than sad.

    Parent
    Bittersweet (5.00 / 5) (#121)
    by chrisvee on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:29:09 PM EST
    I'm happy for the people who feel as if this is a realization of their dreams. It's far past time for us to see someone other than a white man contending for the highest office in the country.

    This could have been an historic moment for women, too, if Hillary was the VP pick (because I feel quite certain Obama/Clinton would have been unbeatable). But for some reason, this candidate decided against that. I'm not sure I'll ever 'like' him again or that I'll ever get over his decision. Some wounds never fully heal.

    I'm evaluating Obama on what he does, not what he says. If he champions my issues, then he'll have my support. It's what he does after this speech that matters to me.

    I sincerely hope he fulfills his promise because the country really can't afford another mistake.

    I think I'm done for the day. :-) Enjoy the rest of the convention!

    Parent

    Americans' Privacy (5.00 / 6) (#38)
    by JimWash08 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:18 PM EST
    Is it me or do a lot of Obama surrogates not know that Obama voted enthusiastically for the FISA legislation, giving American telcos authority to snoop into our business?

    Richardson and Durbin were 2 of them who repeated a LIE today. Not the first time. Several times I've heard it this week.

    They are trying to change reality (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:15:09 PM EST
    same with all the crap about energy when he voted for the energy bill. If they say it enough . . .  

    Parent
    Finally props to Mom (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:59 PM EST
    Thank you!

    I never heard him talk about his mother before. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:05:29 PM EST


    He did in Kansas (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:13:11 PM EST
    and Illinois or Indiana, whichever found out that it was the home of his ancestors.

    (He wasn't too impressed with it, the poor town.:-)

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    Where is his half-sister? (none / 0) (#106)
    by ding7777 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:24:42 PM EST
    Even if she couldn't be at the convention, an acknowlegement of her (like  with Michelle and his kids) would have been nice

    Parent
    I have wondered about that too (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:27:32 PM EST
    I read some of the things she said about him and the family (complimenting his grandmother for one thing). She seemed interesting and nice. So why is she not around?

    Parent
    I thought that was her (none / 0) (#164)
    by rottodamn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:40:07 PM EST
    sitting behind Michelle next to the Asian gentleman.

    Parent
    Notice he said his mother did (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:57 PM EST
    without so she could send "us" to the best schools. But then he said she put all of her energy into "me".
    Just looked it up. His sister, Maya Soetoro, went to the same private school Obama attended then got a PhD in education at U of Hawaii. Not too shabby.

     Supposedly she took two months off to campaign for him, so where the heck is she?

    Parent

    His sister spoke Monday night (none / 0) (#178)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:56:34 PM EST
    a really nice talk about their childhood, IIRC. I think it was about half an hour before Michelle? I liked her quite a bit, but had to turn it when she started the hard sell.

    Parent
    This video brings the thing (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:07:24 PM EST
    back down to earth, a little bit.

    The stadium crowd played into the "celebrity" theme.

    Absolutely (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:09:25 PM EST
    Just what the doctor ordered.

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    I have a feeling (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:10:24 PM EST
    that the lovely 'realness' of this is about to be ruined by the celebrity theme once again. Too bad.

    Parent
    Trying to get my wife to watch the Speech (5.00 / 5) (#59)
    by D Jessup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:09:24 PM EST
    She refuses, she says if Hillary is not good enough for the Democratic party, than the Democratic party is not good enough for her.  What can I say?????

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM EST
    I don't think the speech would help. She has to basically vote on the values she finds important and where she wants the country to go, and your children's opportunities.

    Personally, I don't think McCain has any clue what normal American's go through on a day to day basis.

    Not sure Obama does either, but he certainly comes from a background that makes me think MAYBE he can get done what we need.

    Parent

    tell her that Salo... (5.00 / 0) (#156)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:37:28 PM EST
    ...and many other Dems have seen the same horrid things, sympathize warmly and got to like Clinton in a more geniune way even though she was defeated. She's always done her duty to the best of her ability and if we are lucky Obama has learned a thing or two from her and will make sure her vision is implemented if he gets to be President.

    Parent
    Your wife is right. Listen to her. (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:46 PM EST
    Seriously (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:09:57 PM EST
    Why hasn't THIS been the Obama they've been pushing?

    THIS is someone I want to vote for. Not the celebrity Obama that's been getting pushed around?

    Time to redo the image if they want to win in November.

    I dunno, that's just my opinion.

    this does portray him as much (5.00 / 0) (#68)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:20 PM EST
    more serious and grounded, strong on empathy

    Parent
    But if you listen to some of (5.00 / 4) (#89)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:18:13 PM EST
    the words, you know they aren't true.

    He slides around on truthiness and his actions, well . . .

    Parent

    stray (none / 0) (#93)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:19:49 PM EST
    I have a question for you. My e-mail is in my info on this page. Can you contact me?

    Parent
    You are right (none / 0) (#67)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:12 PM EST
    Yup - this is the guy I used to like (none / 0) (#71)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:56 PM EST
    Seems they focus grouped this video well (none / 0) (#73)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:12:31 PM EST
    yeah, I am even crying now (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    I hope he can live up to it

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    For the sake of America (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:14:03 PM EST
    and our children.... so do I....

    Parent
    i finally figured out (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by cpinva on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:10:31 PM EST
    what it is about obama that really, really bothers me, to the point that i just can't see myself voting for him: I.Don't.Trust.Him

    i don't trust him to stand up for what i like to think of as the classic democratic party ideals. he'd give the shop away in a heartbeat, if he thought it would be politically expedient. he'll throw anyone under the bus, if it meets his need of the moment. he has no loyalty to anyone, save himself.

    jeralyn's right, i don't need to like sen. obama, to vote for him. however, where she goes astray is failing to link trust; i do have to trust the guy, and i just don't.

    I like most of the speech (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by litigatormom on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:10:36 PM EST
    But I don't like the end.  It's the post-partisan stuff again -- "I won't say that McCain holds his beliefs for political reasons."  What? You WON'T?  Of course he does.  

    I'm not saying that you should question his patriotism, although he will question yours.  But to give McCain the benefit of the doubt on the sincerity of his beliefs?  When he's the biggest hypocrite in the world?  (Well, okay, as long Bush and Cheney are alive he can't go higher than third.) But seriously?  We're supposed to believe that Mr. "I Used To Be A Maverick But Now I Am a Bush Syncophant" McCain doesn't base his positions or proposals on the political winds?

    Barack.  Please.  Just cut that stuff out of the speech.

    I remember why I like him now (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:11:04 PM EST
    this is good.

    No kidding (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:14:22 PM EST
    I used to like him too. Was pretty conflicted between Hillary and Obama when the primaries started.  If they'd presented him this way in the campaign, I'd be on board now.

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    Nice video over all (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:12:22 PM EST
    got me chocked up a bit

    "Proud to accept" (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:16:11 PM EST
    really brought them to their feet! Great moment in American history, no matter how painful the road to get here. He did a good job including Hillary Rodham Clinton and President Clinton, but it makes me cry.

    If I thought he believed (5.00 / 7) (#87)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:16:17 PM EST
    What he said about President Clinton, I'd be much more likely to support him.

    That sums up a lot right there. (5.00 / 6) (#98)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:21:20 PM EST
    And I learned to not trust "just words" a long time ago.  I trust actions -- especially when the actions haven't matched the words, as continued to be a problem for Obama and his camp this week.

    We'll see.  But I've never given any guy this many months to win me over, much less two months more.

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    I didn't read the speech, (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:19:35 PM EST
    so I'm just watching. Good start.

    Me too - just wanted to hear it (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:25:53 PM EST
    Good stuff.

    Parent
    Is that (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:20:00 PM EST
    a flag pin?

    Check (5.00 / 0) (#100)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:03 PM EST
    Heck (5.00 / 0) (#103)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:26 PM EST
    if I were him, I'd wear like 12 of them!

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    I jusr had a good friend (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:20:01 PM EST
    email me.  She wrote:

    I'm not paying any attention to Obama, tho I'm trying to do it skilfully and without anyone being aware of it.  I think he's a stand-in and while probably not harmful, isn't going to bring a great deal to the table.  But even so, he
    should give our country some breathing room.

    Breathing room is going to have to be enough, I guess.

    I was moved by his video (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:27 PM EST
    I have two biracial little boys and one biracial girl in my family and so I see them in Obama's story (one being raised by her grandparents and mother like Obama).  I was moved by his immediate acknowledgment of Hillary, and Bill also.

    I am ready to be pulled in.  I want to be pulled in...

    But let me be clear. I will at some point, post election be trying to find those who like me feel the DNC needs to be taken to task.
    I do not think I can ever look at Howard Dean or Donna Brazille, James Clyburn or Tom Dachle, John Kerry without anger and frustration.  These people to me were unfair and aided and abetted misogynists.

    But I choose to not believe that is who Senator Obama is. I am a die hard dem. I would never ever vote McCain.  I believe we need change and while I thought a female would have been the best change, I will go forward supporting my candidate and my candiate is NOW Barack Obama.  My ticket is Obama/Biden '08

    well said (5.00 / 0) (#107)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:25:07 PM EST
    If you give the DNC (Obama) (2.00 / 0) (#131)
    by theybannedmeinboston on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:31:25 PM EST
    your vote after how this nomination has been rigged, you are giving away any leverage you have, but that's OK. Those of us who have the courage of our convictions will do it for you.

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    I am going to have to (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:40:53 PM EST
    respectfully disagree with you, not as gracefully or wonderfully as Hillary did, but with respect.

    I cannot ever in good conscience do anything to allow another republican in the WH. I have said from the beginning...I do not think BO is bad candidate or an insincere man. Will he be as good I think Hillary would have been?  NO.  But it is what it is.

    The DNC is a different problem.

    If you do not think I have the courage of my convictions, that is your right. I believe my convictions tell me that getting a democrat in the WH is necessary, and getting new leadership in the DNC is necessary.  Both can be achieved in my view.


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    Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:27:01 PM EST
    Where has this speech-  attacking the policies and results of Bush and McCain-  been for the last eighteen months?  WHy have we been subjected to an endless barrage of Chope and Hange instead of this!?

    And is there any prospect that it will last?

    Honestly? (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:30:47 PM EST
    This speech will be touted as best ever tonight and tomorrow and maybe the next day.

    But if Obama doesn't talk about specifics, which he sure isn't doing tonight so far, it's just more of the same.

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    Okay, specifics now. (none / 0) (#135)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:32 PM EST
    Not so much, so far (5.00 / 3) (#161)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:38:39 PM EST
    Mostly a repetition of claims from his commercials, I think.  And some of these sound kinda dubious-  I'll recruit an army of new teachers?  There are already teaching spots open from Maine to Seattle!

    And I don't expect many other people to agree with me, but the claim that we cannot increase taxes on 95% of people is poppycock.

    Our true deficit-  the amount by which our national debt increases in a year-  will be over $700 billion this year.  Next year, a recession and a serious of bailouts could well push it to $1 trillion.  We cannot cut taxes now!  Anyone who says we can is, well, John McCain.

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    Not so much, so far (none / 0) (#155)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:57 PM EST
    Mostly a repetition of claims from his commercials, I think.  And some of these sound kinda dubious-  I'll recruit an army of new teachers?  There are already teaching spots open from Maine to Seattle!

    And I don't expect many other people to agree with me, but the claim that we cannot increase taxes on 95% of people is poppycock.

    Our true deficit-  the amount by which our national debt increases in a year-  will be over $700 billion this year.  Next year, a recession and a serious of bailouts could well push it to $1 trillion.  We cannot cut taxes now!  Anyone who says we can is, well, John McCain.

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    The change thing must be over since he chose (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:31:07 PM EST
    Biden.  

    The message about ''you are on your own" won't go over big with independents and republicans since most of them value being on their own and not dependent on government.  But the democratic base will like it, and that is who needs fire up.  

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    The party forced him to do this (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by denise on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:41:06 PM EST
    They were so afraid he was losing.

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    Who knows? (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by janarchy on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:42:11 PM EST
    I've heard these things before and then once Election Day comes and goes, nothing. I remember all the promises by the Democratic Revolution 2 years ago and they came to naught. Even now all the blame is falling on the Republicans as if the Democrats were still helpless to stop it.

    This is a good speech, but to me, that's all it is. SPEECH. Actions speak louder than words. If he wins and he actually can implement things that work, then I'll be the first to say I was wrong and get behind him. Maybe I'll even vote for him in a second turn. Currently, I'm not sold. It's a convention speech, no more, no less.

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    This is very good (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:28:36 PM EST
    I don't think McCain can beat him.

    this is one speech (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:29:43 PM EST
    Wait until the Debates and the 527s and then we'll talk.

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    Really? (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:52 PM EST
    It seems pretty ordinary to me.  Bill and Hillary were MUCH better.   Too much emphasis on what the government can do for you.  imo

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    He's taking a page from both of them (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:34:04 PM EST
    This is exactly what he needs to do.

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    I like it (4.60 / 5) (#134)
    by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:28 PM EST
    SQUARELY within the values of the Democratic Party.

    The older voters, the ones who have their doubts about the new guy, they are recognizing what they hear tonight.

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    nice (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by ccpup on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:28:58 PM EST
    shout out to Bill Clinton.

    I guess he can take that knife out of his back now.  Perhaps Clyburn and JJ Jr. will STFU?

    Still not sold and I'm not voting for him.

    It's good so far (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by TheRealFrank on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:29:08 PM EST
    No post-partisan crap. He speaks as a proud Democrat. And praised Bill Clinton's legacy.

    So far, so good.


    The bit about his grandmother (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:08 PM EST
    Was great

    It is sad his mother can't see this (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:36 PM EST
    I'm a mush-head for family, I admit it.

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    Can we please decide (1.00 / 1) (#141)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:33:32 PM EST
    for ourselves?

    We do not need your cheerleading.

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    he has every right to say it was great (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:55 PM EST
    as you have to say it was terrible.

    Do better in your commenting next time.

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    I didn't say that. (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:56:11 PM EST
    And I've since turned the teevee off.

    He's promising the moon.

    I know better.  Little steps is all we'll get, as my friend said.

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    And I agree with BTD (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:38 PM EST
    that this is a speech for the TV audience: thank heavens.

    I wish he would look directly at (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:35:15 PM EST
    the camera more often and slow down a bit.

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    Yes, the head flipping back and forth (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:44 PM EST
    Is annoying.  Also something of a arrogant appearance when he flips his head and looks up.

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    I'm not watching (5.00 / 3) (#148)
    by rise hillary rise on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:02 PM EST
    I grew up in San Francisco, and you know, everybody thought that Rev Jim Jones was such a wonderful man, did so many wonderful things for all of the poor downtrodden people. Then he took them all to Guyana.

    you could say that I don't trust anybody who says he's the Chosen One. no matter how good he is at reading a speech.

    I know what you mean (none / 0) (#159)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:38:12 PM EST
    Oops... (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:15 PM EST
    a shout out to nuclear power.

    That is trouble.

    So far.. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:37:56 PM EST
    Good speech. If this is the guy we'll get on election day, he's got my vote.

    Go through budget line by line? (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:39:50 PM EST
    Wouldn't he need a line item veto to do that?

    No (none / 0) (#186)
    by mindfulmission on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06:27 PM EST
    He would not veto items... he would create and suggest legislation to change things.

    And not all programs are legislated either.  Money can often be shifted around within departments and programs.

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    The speech reads better than it sounds, (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:41:53 PM EST
    but that's me - Obama's delivery gets on my nerves.

    It's going to be a well-received speech, and he's hitting at bread-and-butter issues that people care about.

    The passage on abortion and guns and gay rights is very weak, in my opinion - will there be more interest in the economic and national security issues that these will be seen as secondary?  Who knows.

    I have been wrestling all day with this election and the ticket and all that we have talked about for weeks.  After Jeralyn's post earlier today, I continue to think about it.

    What I am thinking tonight is I hope that from here on out, Obama begins to truly rise to the enormous undertaking that is before him.  That he listens to people like the Clintons - people who have been there and done it and done it well - who can remind him what matters.

    I'll be watching and listening and hoping; I can't do more at this stage, but I've decided to be open.

    Still amazes me that the election I thought would be easy-breezy has been heart-wrenching, more thought-provoking than I ever dreamed, and required more soul-searching than I ever expected.

    Argh.

    Obama has the mannerisms of humility (5.00 / 3) (#174)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:51:10 PM EST
    but his actions portray something else.

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    Yes, I don't believe a speech should (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by Valhalla on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:09:16 PM EST
    erase all that has come before.

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    I don't either, and it certainly doesn't (5.00 / 4) (#202)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:48 PM EST
    solve the problems I think we all see within the party itself.

    Much of what he said was good, in a generic-Democratic sense, but there were obvious weaknesses - off the top of my head, he mentioned clean-coal technology and nuclear energy, bankruptcy - and I hated the perfunctory mention of abortion.  I also did not care for the personal deference to McCain, although that may have been a reaction to the "Job Well Done" spot McCain was running tonight.

    As I said above, it read better than it sounded out loud.

    What I didn't get - at all - was, aside from the up-tempo country song at the end, the rest of the music was just sad.  That last piece I've heard and I think it's from a movie, but it put a lid on the excitement.  It whimpered them off the stage, and I'm at a loss to understand that.

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    Americorps! (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:41:56 PM EST
    Plus the GI Bill and Hillary's longstanding bit about "the same health care plan Congress gets." If he sticks with this, I can feel great about voting for the ticket.

    References to Democratic Presidents.... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Oje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:45:24 PM EST
    I like.

    ARGH! (5.00 / 6) (#175)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:51:37 PM EST
    About that line where "if you've got no record, then portray your opponent as someone to run from"-

    I marveled that Obama could utter that line without bursting into flame.

    a line with too many reads.... (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by Oje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:55:27 PM EST
    as he attempts to tear down Bush/McCain, and after the antiClinton campaign:

    "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. "

    For all those in the margins (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:00:56 PM EST
    I very grateful that he delivered.  I thought they did a great job.

    Agree. (5.00 / 0) (#184)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:05:57 PM EST
    Only time will tell if he can convert this case into enough Independent votes to win the election.

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    Barack Obama (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:02:32 PM EST
    Gives one hell of speech. This one was perfect for the occasion. There are always naysayers, but just as I said with Hillary...great speech, great delivery.

    Those fireworks (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by weltec2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:03:20 PM EST
    are laughably pathetic. They really should have hired the Japanese who actually know how to do that.

    First impression... (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by Oje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:03:25 PM EST
    I, as a Democrat, was voting for Obama. Now, I am voting for Obama as a Democrat.

    I wanted a connection to the legacy of Democratic governance. I wanted, though more strongly, an indictment of Republican political philosophy (not just Bush and/or McCain). He did well enough in these regards for me.

    But, the DNC is a different matter. What to do about the party still is the all-consuming question from this Democratic primary.

    Here's my summary (5.00 / 4) (#196)
    by waldenpond on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14:00 PM EST
    Great speech.  Great speech style.  He always has portions that are interesting for me.

    It's interesting to compare to Bill Clinton, effective yet different styles.  I think I still like Clinton's presentation but I'll have to think about it.  Improvement in some topics, pushed me further away in others.  

    Policy wise....I know triangulation takes issues out of the control of the other party... but Iranian weapons, Taliban, Afghanistan, Russian aggression?  (as I wrote before.. oh goody, more war and note there was no cheering)

    Personal judgment....I'm not old, but I feel pushed away by the future v past presentation... politics of past, lost sense of common purpose?  I haven't lost my sense of purpose.  I share with my family and friends a common purpose.  I still don't understand this 'change'  I see the party more militaristic, surrounded by more money and leaving the working class behind.

    The end is an appalling thing for me.  I feel like I just watched the end of a war in a movie.  (knowing I have watched the politics of power and money behind the scenes).  The focus on religion still makes me uncomfortable.

    I watched that and just feel these people do not represent me nor reflect my values.  The agrandisement of the campaign and the Presidency does not suit me. sigh.... left searching for a way to make a difference....

    About the Old vs.Young theme... (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by EL seattle on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:17 PM EST
    Everyone acknowledges that older voters turn out in larger numbers than other age groups.  But what's to stop them from turning out in greater numbers if they get miffed and take personal offence at the future v past rhetoric?

    It seems very possible to me that in November the parade will go by, and it'll include a record voter turnout of those over the age of 65.

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    I looked up to see heads bowed (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:24:48 PM EST
    and thought the cat sat on the remote again and switched the channel to a religious station.

    I gather that the convention closed in prayer.  For those who had the sound on, please advise if it closed as it opened, with a preacher denouncing a plank in the Democratic platform.  

    Since that opening invocation, even through the Clinton speeches, I have felt like a spectator for the first time in watching many Dem conventions.

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    Nothing to back up the lofty speeches (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by stefystef on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:16:33 PM EST
    Obama makes these speeches that seems to move so many people (sadly, I haven't heard anything he said that made me feel anything for him), but if you really stopped to look at his record, he's still an empty suit with little achievement in his political life and has spent the last 2 years literally creating a history that hides the lack of substance.

    I know the praise and adoration of Obama's speech will reach biblical proportions... but my mamma always warned me against false prophets.


    I am so glad to be (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:18:42 PM EST
    sitting at home less than two miles from that stadium right now. I saw the whole thing since 3 this afternoon on the AP live feed from the stadium, but I had the pleasure of being free of the security and the obnoxious adoring crowd and now I have the pleasure of not having to deal with the utter nightmare of getting home.

    Maude bless America, and save us from the next four years of ineptitude, no matter who gets elected.

    Whoever wins will do it without my help. That's the only choice I can live with.

    I concur with BTDs assessment (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:19:28 PM EST
    I think it rang true. I especially liked the foreign policy section. He showed some real fire there that I liked. "Don't tell me we can't...."

    Looking forward to the debates.

    Obama - bleargh (4.25 / 4) (#23)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:57:20 PM EST
    Ok, that's my first negative post today.

    Three more to go.

    Do you have a quota? (none / 0) (#26)
    by BernieO on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:58:05 PM EST
    We all have a quota. (none / 0) (#40)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:27 PM EST
    Well I'm pretty sure he's got the (3.50 / 2) (#80)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:14:15 PM EST
    single mom or (almost any mom) vote now sown up.

    Moms aren't that shallow (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by theybannedmeinboston on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:19:56 PM EST
    Didn't say they were (none / 0) (#101)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:23:10 PM EST
    Yes, you did. (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by theybannedmeinboston on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:38:59 PM EST
    You said that one speech where Obama finally gave his mom and grandmother some credit would sow up our vote. We're not that shallow.

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    "My brother's keeper"...I don't think so (3.00 / 2) (#146)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:34:53 PM EST
    Not to his half-brother who's impoverished and living in a shack in Kenya.

    For progrocks and the troll rating... (none / 0) (#206)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:27:03 PM EST
    In case you thought I was making up the bit about Obama's half-brother here's a piece about it in The Chicago Sun Times, (August 21/08).

    George Hussein Onyango Obama, son of Barack Obama Sr. and his fourth wife, half brother of Barack Obama...The 26-year-old man is outside his shanty home on the outskirts of Nairobi, Kenya. He survives on less than $1 a month.

    Obama's speech line about being our "brother's keeper" WILL come back to bite him - soon.

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    I hate to mention this but... (2.00 / 0) (#111)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:26:34 PM EST
    What you're all talking about is how you're being manipulated.

    ethos, logos, pathos... (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM EST
    rhetoric 101

    The techniques have been codified for literally thousands of years.

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    It's not often (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:29:43 PM EST
    that the people being manipulated are describing to you what is going on.

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    Oh cmon! (none / 0) (#145)
    by Upstart Crow on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:34:16 PM EST
    We go to horror movies and love stories, knowing how we'll be manipulated. And enjoying it.

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    On the contrary (none / 0) (#116)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:28:08 PM EST
    For my part, I'm talking about how he'll successfully manipulate the undecided voters.

    I have no illusions.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#130)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:31:20 PM EST
    A finely crafted video, well delivered speech a positive buzz are for you or me they're for the folks who haven't committed themselves.

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    Sure I am (none / 0) (#143)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:33:46 PM EST
    But I'm willing to go along for the ride for half an hour at least.

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    SHOOT. ME. NOW. (2.00 / 0) (#132)
    by zyx on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:31:59 PM EST
    This speech is TERRIBLE.

    Seems VERY typical Obama (2.00 / 0) (#160)
    by SueBonnetSue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:38:33 PM EST
    To me.  Bill and Hillary were much better.  He's not saying anything that Kerry didn't say.  Or any other democrat.  

    Wait, he said he's going to make it so every American can have a new car!  And a job!  And every child gets a GOOD education.  He's going to pay teachers more!  and have more pre school!  

    Apparently he's going to give free college to GI's.  Haven't we been doing that since 1945?  

    Great, our health care is going to cost less, for everyone!  

    I can't help but wonder who is going to pay for all this.  Ummmmm...........probably me.  And you.  

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    CNN's schedule: "The Big Speech" (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:52:06 PM EST


    Really bad dancing on cspan (none / 0) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:52:29 PM EST


    Bad dancing and (none / 0) (#8)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:53:07 PM EST
    bad gum-chewing.

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    Meanwhile, more canned music (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:54:12 PM EST
    They're back to BORING.

    this is the best hour (none / 0) (#17)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:55:27 PM EST
    and they are just standing around wasting free air time

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    I'm embarrassed for them, and embarrassed (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by andgarden on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:56:37 PM EST
    as a Democrat.

    If they win, it will be despite this.

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    As my Dad likes to say (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by Redshoes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59:45 PM EST
    "Glad they don't fly airplanes."

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    Aren't they all supposed to be text- (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:56:22 PM EST
    messaging now?

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    Don't remind me how much money (none / 0) (#27)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:58:21 PM EST
    they are making for ATT tonight.

    Great...more on the funny name.

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    We don't know any of that Dick, sorry (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 08:59:41 PM EST


    Another speaker who (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by americanincanada on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:01:57 PM EST
    wants us to forget that Obama voted for FISA. How can we hold them to the fire when they can't even admit a mistake was made?

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    A hush falls over the crowd... (none / 0) (#39)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:02:26 PM EST


    Really? (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by BrianJ on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:03:50 PM EST
    Hope there weren't too many people hurt.

    Parent
    Only Hillary supporters (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:38 PM EST
    There are no Hillary supporters (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by echinopsia on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:49:45 PM EST
    in that stadium. He made sure of that.

    The coward.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#47)
    by TomStewart on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:04 PM EST
    This is like a PBS 'American Experience' episode. That's not a bad thing, but not the most exciting format

    I gotta say (none / 0) (#49)
    by elonepb on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:04:29 PM EST
    This video is pretty good.

    It is brilliant (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:05:30 PM EST
    imo.

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    He's out and looks MORTAL (none / 0) (#74)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:12:40 PM EST


    The video is nice, messianic impulses showing but (none / 0) (#76)
    by catfish on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:13:14 PM EST
    we all have our weaknesses.

    The whole night is nice.

    It's like he arrived and served his purpose already, he was our leader for the duration of the primary and campaign, and then he will be done on November 2. He helped a lot of people erase their cynicism.

    I must remain uncynical (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Salo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:22:03 PM EST
    about UHC. It'll come when it comes.

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    I guess they didn't use the elevator (none / 0) (#84)
    by Josey on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:15:47 PM EST
    well - not yet anyway.


    Tell me he's (none / 0) (#110)
    by chel2551 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:26:22 PM EST
    not mirroring Michael Douglas in American President.

    Not the text, but the delivery. (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:26:52 PM EST
    Are you moved?

    Moving is not the goal tonight (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:28:50 PM EST
    This is a very mature professional speech doing its political job.

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    Yup. (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:32:37 PM EST
    Among his best-crafted speeches and delivered in a really improved, conversational tone and cadence.

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    I am (5.00 / 0) (#125)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:30:12 PM EST
    I like the more conversational (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by eleanora on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    approach he's using tonight vs. the emotional preacher-type style he's used before. My emotions are too muddled to partition out exactly what's moving me.

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    I agree (5.00 / 3) (#142)
    by bjorn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:33:36 PM EST
    I think what is moving me is not what he is saying but all the americans that are listening and watching and hoping that maybe he will be able to get us back on track...eight is enough...I like the way CNN is panning to a lot of different places like Time Square, etc...I think that is what is moving me, we all want the same thing.

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    End dependence on oil from the Middle East in 10 (none / 0) (#150)
    by jawbone on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 09:36:27 PM EST
    years? Uh, we get hardly any oil from the ME--however, oil from anywhere has the same price.

    He didn't say stop dependence on oil, note.

    Nuclear energy? Clean coal?

    There's discussions (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by kredwyn on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:54 PM EST
    re: drilling for natural gas here in the Catskills. I'm thinking that and the windmills idea are what's got the "Save Our Mountains" signs up all over the place.

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    Love how the outfits are all (none / 0) (#180)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:01:13 PM EST
    color-coordinated...

    I did too (none / 0) (#194)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST
    Very nice.

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    The staging was pathetic but (none / 0) (#189)
    by oldpro on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:08:45 PM EST
    the speech and delivery was exactly what the doctor ordered.

    Nuclear power, clean coal, more war in Afghanistan (none / 0) (#193)
    by karmadillo on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:11:21 PM EST
    and a big tax cut to go along with all of it (didn't Bush fight his war with tax cuts?). We'll pay for everything else (world class education for all children etc. etc. etc.) by closing loopholes and getting rid of unspecified wasteful government. I know I'm bitter and all, but the manipulation though images and empty phrases reminds me a little bit of the Reagan administration. They, too, were masters at creating a nice image regardless of the substance underneath. A perfect event for the Society of the Spectacle, but a harbinger of real change? I bet it's not.

    I love tax cuts (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by stefystef on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:28:14 PM EST
    but someone please tell me where the money is coming from to close the gap????

    Do you think these corporations are going to give up their tax breaks so Obama can look good???  I don't think so.

    The uber rich worked hard to get their corporate welfare and they ain't gonna let go. They will raise prices high to make profits and make people turn against a Democratic Administration (like they did the last 70s/early 80s and the privatization movement).

    If life was only as easy as fancy speeches...

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