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    Obama bin Biden (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:37:30 PM EST
    I give the right wing echo chamber about five days to figure that one out, and then it will be repeated like a broken record.

    Obama bin Biden
    Hope you can make believe in!

    It's already (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:42:53 PM EST
    got 979 hits in Google.  I'm sure the McCain campaign won't use it, but I don't think anything's too puerile for the blogs.

    Those are small (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:04:15 AM EST
    minded people who are doing that.  No one in their right mind would ever think that Obama or Biden would espouse the view or sympathize with OBL.

    Why does that stuff get to get posted on this website?  It seems like it almosts approves of it.


    Inaction (1.00 / 3) (#155)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:18:54 AM EST
    is action itself.  I'll leave you big cry baby.

    Classic example of why Democrats lose. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:47:55 PM EST
    They always under estimate the Republicans.

    Do you not remember the delegates at the RNC in 2004 wearing flip flops on their hands so they can spank them together and yell "flip flop" every time Kerry's name was mentioned?


    Never watched a Republican (none / 0) (#39)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:56:08 PM EST
    convention in my life.

    Not planning on watching either one this year.


    I do. (none / 0) (#47)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:59:37 PM EST
    But do low-information voters?

    You are arguing with the wrong population segment here. I think about the country outside of the bubble of the blogosophere, do you see the difference?



    Honestly, that doesn't even make any sense (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:41:35 PM EST
    I don't expect it to catch on.

    It doesnt have to make sense. (none / 0) (#17)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:46:05 PM EST
    Its all about memes.

    Too late (none / 0) (#19)
    by LatinoVoter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:46:50 PM EST
    "Obama Bin Biden" has 980 results on Google. If you take off the " " there are 573,000. It was already in use last night after Biden was announced on the World Politics forum on CL.

    Could have been worse, could have been (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:51:46 PM EST
    Chet Edwards, and they would always have to make sure they knew they were talking about the non-cheating Edwards.

    As far as WE know! (none / 0) (#196)
    by andrys on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:27:33 AM EST
    Now up to (none / 0) (#26)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:50:08 PM EST
    985 hits.  And Google asks if you meant "Obama Bin Laden".  Oy.  Why do so many people find this sh!t amusing?

    All the cool kids are doing it. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by LatinoVoter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:57:12 PM EST
    Barack even smears himself with the "Obama Bin Laden".

    And the irony gets more delicious.

    You could fix your computer so it doesn't smear Obama but...Obama bloats Vista.


    I don't think that's new (none / 0) (#77)
    by Valhalla on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:18:35 AM EST
    I'm pretty sure I saw that quite a long time ago.

    Someone, somewhere (none / 0) (#35)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:53:56 PM EST
    early in the week brought up the Obama/Biden combo of names having that odd resemblance to this.

    They went on to the other names, too: Obama Bayh Bayh, etc.

    There are a few blog sites that draw a lot of attention in the media, and people who come up with those ideas often comment as many places as they can in a day to get things going.  

    It'll never be used by the Republicans or the media. At least I hope not.


    Or on a coffee cup. (none / 0) (#38)
    by ran scot on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:55:13 PM EST

    This pandora's box is officially open.


    it was being used this morning already! (none / 0) (#179)
    by hellothere on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:45:32 AM EST
    Insane McCain (none / 0) (#186)
    by Ennis on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:01:53 AM EST
    3,270,000 hits



    Back to Amtrak, which I mentioned (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:40:41 PM EST
    in one of the earlier Biden threads.

    I do have a bit of a personal parochial interest in the state of Amtrak, because it's simply the best way to get from DC to NYC and a particular point in between: my family home in Philly.

    One of Joe Biden's best qualities has been his strong support for properly funding Amtrak. That makes sense of course--he's ridden it almost every day for 30 years. But it means that, if elected, the Obama administration could really do something good for Amtrak, which is always struggling. That makes me happy.

    According to Wiki, Biden's (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:48:21 PM EST
    son was on Amtrak board of directors at one time.  Doesn't detract from your point Amtrak needs all the financial support it can garner.

    It's a pattern (5.00 / 5) (#10)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:40:46 PM EST
    No matter how many times or ways people attempt to explain the difference between the Obama camp's perception of what the PUMAs are doing, and what they are actually doing, they elect not to listen and continue on their own definition.

    I was also amazed to read a comment on a previous thread today saying that Diane M's appearance on C Matthews included her making some racist comments. I watched that twice. She did no such thing, she never has, and she never will.

    They've got their narrative (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:44:43 PM EST
    about the PUMAs and we'll have to pry it from their cold, dead fingers, I'm afraid.

    Thank you so much (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by katiebird on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:52:59 PM EST
    I missed the show so I couldn't speak up but, I couldn't imagine that she could've said anything like that.

    Katiebird (none / 0) (#51)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:00:48 AM EST
    Video of the entire interview is still available on the MSNBC site/Hardball. It was a great interview. Diane is so cool under fire. She handled the entire interview with grace.

    I'm not sure the previous commenter (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Valhalla on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:11:46 AM EST
    realized that there's a bit of crossover between The Confluence and TL.  That commenter has been periodically haunting (trolling) TC with comments and accusations that make their comments here look mild.

    And it points to another thing that is actually heartbreaking about the loud/hatingest part of Obama's supporters -- not just truthiness but an absolute ignorance of the concept of backing up your statements.  It's not just that they don't think references are important, it's that there's no consciousness of backing up what you say at all.

    If a statement makes your case, agree with it and repeat repeat repeat.  Thus it becomes fact, and can't be disputed.

    There's a TON of trolling going on, on many sites, and I can't figure whether it's a dawning realization that their guy may well lose the GE, or they're frightened about Biden, or it's pre-convention frenzy.  


    Just a note (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:42:57 PM EST
    that last thread was entertaining reading. Just wow.

    Guess unity is not happening.

    Very perceptive. (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:43:55 PM EST
    Heh (none / 0) (#24)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:49:17 PM EST
    Not happening among a few people that don't (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ennis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:49:38 PM EST
    want to be unified.  The rest of us are doing fine.

    Oh good (5.00 / 9) (#36)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:54:08 PM EST
    So I guess this means your work here is done, yes?

    Amazing (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:58:58 PM EST
    This guy is f'in amazing!

    I'm o.k.; not sure about the rest of you. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:00:53 AM EST
    Good Luck with that... (5.00 / 7) (#49)
    by kredwyn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:59:57 PM EST
    BTW...not a PUMA, but the Dem Party lost at least one yellow dog member at the FISA capitulation complete with the Obama support of said capitulation.

    This fed up yellow dog has gone Independent.


    Biden voted against FISA. (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:08:58 AM EST
    Doesn't sway you?

    Not so much... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by kredwyn on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:11:26 AM EST
    What is it about? (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Prabhata on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:18:55 AM EST
    It's not about policies, but the candidate.  It's not about Hillary, but the candidate. It's not about the VP, but Obama, an unaccomplished state legislator.

    Why would it? (5.00 / 7) (#94)
    by americanincanada on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:39:16 AM EST
    Biden is not at the top of the ticket. Just because he has a quality doesn't mean Obama magically gets it by osmosis.

    Would "us" be McCain supporters? (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:01:22 AM EST
    Just wondering.  See post above.  I mean, real Obama supporters are supposed to be out there in GOTV efforts and such, not clogging blogs.  That was so last month, when the polls were looking so good.

    Now it's down to less than 80 days.  And there aren't that many voters here to make this worth Obama's while, is it?  I just don't get it.  So the only explanation for it seems to be . . . see above.


    You can't please (none / 0) (#104)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:44:15 AM EST
    everyone all the time.  Unity was an illusion.  Obama and Clinton knew it.

    That commenter (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:57:25 PM EST
    who today has the moniker of Angry Black Guy, but who knows -- anyway, that commenter was being the consummate blogclogger to take everyone off topic, clearly.  And just in it to mix it up.

    The commenter's content degenerated so much, and with that moniker . . . frankly, I wonder if it was a McCain supporter sent here now.  We certainly are seeing some awful commenters today.  And can they all really be Obama backers -- and that bad?  

    I've met my share of simplistic Obama supporters online and in person, but the ones we've seen today are so badly briefed that I'm wondering if we all might want to remember how Rovian the Repubs can be.

    I'll second that (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:14:08 AM EST
    The Republicans know they don't have to get involved. The Obama dems are doing such a good job of keeping the divide as wide as possible.

    I wonder, at times, if they are not in the country and don't understand the culture well enough to know how to do the negotiation/logic thing.

    Or, they're just angry cowards who want to yell at people who think differently than they do, and the anonymous nature of the net works for them.


    On second thought, (none / 0) (#88)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:31:21 AM EST
    in many parts of the world, the way they "learn" about the USA is through our sitcoms. The common form of humor is very negative insults on sitcoms.

    Just thinking out loud, and remembering the friends we made when we lived in the middle east.
    They were overly "sarcastic" with the Americans until they got to know us and realized we were different than our TV shows.


    I agree with your assessment (none / 0) (#53)
    by zfran on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:01:20 AM EST
    of the blogcloggers. I wonder if more have been created due to all the signers-up for what turned out to be the 3am call. I guess if they want better surrogates, they need to pay them more.

    Remember the RFK issue? (none / 0) (#85)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:28:00 AM EST
    Believe me, they can be that misinformed and that nasty. I had to remove myself from a long time non-political site because a few got so deranged and nasty. And I KNEW these people. In person. Some of the nasty things they flung at their "friends" including me was just nuts.

    Don't forget, they are operating in a d@mn vacuum. ABG has been around. He's trolled over at Confluence and apparently other places because it looked like he had followed a poster over there from another site.


    Considering the Obama supporters (none / 0) (#86)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:28:36 AM EST
    with a similar tack showed up before McCain won his nomination, I think those types probably really are Obama supporters.  

    Or maybe they are renegade Republicans?    

    On the other hand, I think you have to be pretty young to get your jollies by posting junk on an internet bulletin board.  McCain isn't doing that well with the younger crowd.  


    I think that we (none / 0) (#102)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:43:05 AM EST
    give Rove way too much credit.  We can't keep thinking that Rove is lurking behind every corner and manipulating everything in the elections.

    Obama has a crack team that knows how to win.  Biden was just icing on the cake.  I know that there are a lot of Clinton supporters who will never come around.  And that's fine.  May the best candidate win.

    But I think that Rove has nothing to do with what's going on now.  Rove didn't manipulate voters in the Dem caucuses or primaries.  Hell it was more Limbaugh than anything.


    I almost (5.00 / 5) (#110)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46:17 AM EST

    Do yourself a favor... (5.00 / 5) (#111)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46:18 AM EST
    consider not using the username "flowergirllovesobama", I mean, if you want anyone to talk you seriously.

    I work (1.00 / 1) (#118)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:49:43 AM EST
    at 1-800Flowers.com and that's what my friends in my section call me because I have my Obama stuff on my desk.

    Not my fault Clinton lost.  I haven't said anything bad about your name...masslib?  Isn't that redundant?


    It was some friendly advice and has zero (5.00 / 3) (#124)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:54:24 AM EST
    to do with Hillary.

    Okay (none / 0) (#130)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:00:38 AM EST
    I'm sorry.  You just came off kind of flip.

    I once had "girl" in a username. (none / 0) (#131)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:02:58 AM EST
    I decided I wasn't doing myself any favors.  It was really just some advice.  Masslib is in tribute to GWB who loved to denigrate us "massachusetts liberals" despite that he was basically raised here.

    Well I like the nick (none / 0) (#138)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:08:00 AM EST
    and my coworkers gave it to me.  Harmless really.

    Hey! I have "girl" in (none / 0) (#144)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:11:09 AM EST
    a couple of my usernames!  

    I had to take "girl" (actually "girlz") because "queen" and the straight up "girl" were already taken -- and this was way back in 1998!  

    I have to be honest though...  I like "girl" and "girlz" a lot better than "gurl" which looks like something you would swallow or gulp.  ;-)


    Icing on the cake? (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by facta non verba on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:09:57 AM EST
    Have you seen the Rasmussen Reports poll out today?

    Poll on Biden -- Not A Big Hit Yet

    Among women, the choice has been poorly received. Ask Anita Hill why.


    I am officially over the 2008 election. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by masslib on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:58:20 PM EST
    Biden's fine, but I mean, his wife has a PhD, which is a problem...for him, or something.  Lord, how did we get here?  

    Yeh, we educated women of the world (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:03:27 AM EST
    would like to thank Senator Biden for a rousing show of support.  Okay, we'll kick off our shoes and back to the kitchen now, barefoot and all.  

    And we'll take our knitting (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by zfran on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:04:26 AM EST
    needles with us, too.

    Some History (none / 0) (#73)
    by Athena on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:16:19 AM EST
    On CSPAN, I just watched Ted Kennedy's speech to the 1980 convention after he had challenged Carter for the nomination - he didn't hold back and in fact celebrated openly that "dissent" was allowed at the Democratic convention.  Many of his supporters waved Kennedy signs and chanted for him.

    On Tuesday, I hope that Hillary takes all the time she needs and stays true to who she was and what we all believed in during this campaign. She's done enough for Obama; let her now do something for the rest of us.


    The problem with 1980 is of course (none / 0) (#79)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:18:57 AM EST
    the result.....

    1980 (5.00 / 5) (#128)
    by Athena on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:57:40 AM EST
    What was interesting about the speech were Ted's warnings about the coming Reagan era. At that point, the GOP's signature harm had been Nixon and Watergate.  Carter's term quickly became an aberration.  The Reagan/Bush sellout years were about to roll out and demolish the federal government.  Seen in that light also, Clinton's ability to get two terms in the 1990's seems even more remarkable - and sadly, about to be dismissed by the Obama cohorts with no sense of history.

    1980 was a disaster (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:05:44 AM EST
    because of Reagan's Central America policy.....Much hideous death ensued.....based on lies....

    Don't get me started.... (5.00 / 4) (#149)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:15:41 AM EST
    The "trickle down theory," the gazillions of homeless, the release of the mentally ill without worry that they might not exactly get by on their own without help...  

    Deficits (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:26:28 AM EST
    The deification of greed.....

    We called it . . . (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:40:11 AM EST
    Trickle down my a$$. Seriously, and I think we're still waiting for it  :)

    Hey, wait a minute! If "we are the ones we've been waiting for", was that our trickle down?!


    Right... (none / 0) (#192)
    by weltec2 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:51:20 AM EST
    Reagan with his Freedom and Democracy under his arm.

    And the NYT reports that Teddy's pick (none / 0) (#82)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:23:15 AM EST
    for VP was none other than Joe Biden.

    Why am I not surprised.  Thanks, Caroline.


    Change you can believe in. (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:39:59 AM EST
    Or, a "no change" you can count on (none / 0) (#101)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:42:54 AM EST
    Will you watch the Republican Convention?

    No amount of money would (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46:50 AM EST
    persuade me to watch the RNC.

    I won't either (none / 0) (#117)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:49:07 AM EST
    But those are the (rich) guys who may end up running the country....Mitt Romney would be a reactionary bar none....

    Oy (none / 0) (#98)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:41:20 AM EST
    There used to be a time when Teddy was considered a lion on the Left....Now, it seems everything is seen through the prism of the Primary....

    How funny! (none / 0) (#106)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:45:23 AM EST
    While I'll admit that Biden isn't perfect, he's okay.  If he were the nominee, I'd vote for him, maybe not enthusiastically, but I voted for Kerry too.  ;-)  

    Or... to put it (5.00 / 4) (#194)
    by weltec2 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:59:48 AM EST
    the way I'd put it. If he were the nominee, I'd at least vote.

    the problem with 2008 is the method! (none / 0) (#176)
    by hellothere on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:39:33 AM EST
    Hoping he'll clarify that one soon. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:59:45 PM EST
    Whit Biden Really Meant? (none / 0) (#60)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:05:50 AM EST
    Nancy Pelosi says "lighten up": (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:16:01 AM EST
    Nancy Pelosi can kiss my a**. (5.00 / 7) (#76)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:17:52 AM EST
    Somehow, I anticipated your response. (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:27:44 AM EST
    Ha! (none / 0) (#87)
    by Teresa on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:30:45 AM EST
    He has experience in Washington, but he is not of Washington," she said.

    That's like the "outside" insider I read today. Clever little devils, aren't they.


    Hence the reference to that lonely (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:31:58 AM EST
    journey to Wilmington via Amtrak.  

    Class Clowns (5.00 / 9) (#103)
    by Athena on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:43:09 AM EST
    A ranking U.S. Senator does not become one of the "little people" by taking Amtrak.  Geez.

    The faux sentimentality today - Obama saying that Biden "beat the odds" growing up?  Is everyone from the American working class some kind of survivor from the depths of hell?  The distorted class perspectives of the Democrats are really mutating what the party once was.

    The condescension is just awful.  I think every speechwriter for the Dems is a Harvard graduate with posters of Norma Rae and Cousin Vinny hanging on the wall.  They're just that clueless.


    God Bless (none / 0) (#126)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:56:21 AM EST
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi

    Oh yes, hail to the Queen! (none / 0) (#142)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:10:26 AM EST
    Now now (none / 0) (#147)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:13:09 AM EST
    Nobody's perfect.  You need to be nice.

    She's a diaster. I look most forward to her (5.00 / 5) (#150)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:16:41 AM EST

    I think Nancy got in waaay (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by weltec2 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:23:29 AM EST
    over her head. Cheney saw it and made her part of the Bush disaster. Knowing what they were about, she gave them a pass and gave them a pass until now she is as guilty as they are. Now she can't expose the Repugs without implicating herself. She has betrayed herself and her party and the entire country.

    are you 10? (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:18:18 AM EST
    That was directed at (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:19:00 AM EST

    no, we don't need to be nice (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by hellothere on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:41:19 AM EST
    while our country is going down the tubes and folks like you want to lecture us. please go back and lecture someone who wants to hear you. i don't.

    Yeah, Biden is from DE not WA (none / 0) (#185)
    by Prabhata on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:59:41 AM EST

    55 minutes (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:36:55 AM EST
    Until the Basketball final on NBC. Anyone have any toothpicks an eastcoaster can borrow to wedge the lids up?

    i have some (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:39:19 AM EST
    mountain dew.  

    Gotta love it (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46:42 AM EST
    Used to have Mountain Dew burping contests with my daughter when she was in kindergarten. Could be a good late night scientific experiment to see if Mountain Dew burps keeps someone awake....will need a second dose to get thru halftime.

    lol. I woke my dogs up laughing at that. Nothing (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Teresa on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53:12 AM EST
    brings on big burps more than Mt. Dew.

    Burp slurp (3.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:03:30 AM EST
    is what I call it.  Ever since a sib just about lived on it and entertained us with nonstop sound effects for a night.

    Btw, said sib finally gave it up when treated for migraines.  Turns out Dew is about the worst trigger that can be, right up there with MSG.


    Well crap CC. I bragged a few weeks ago that (none / 0) (#137)
    by Teresa on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:07:54 AM EST
    I didn't get migraines anymore and I have had two in one week. I may have to try coffee after all. I love to smell it but I don't like the taste unless it has Bailey's in it. That wouldn't be good for mornings at work. :)

    lol, I have a stash of Red Bull but I'm afraid to (none / 0) (#99)
    by Teresa on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:42:00 AM EST
    drink it after reading this week that it will clog my arteries.

    Red Bull (none / 0) (#107)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:45:35 AM EST
    tastes kind of chalky to me.  I don't like it.  

    I like the sugar-free kind. The regular tastes (none / 0) (#119)
    by Teresa on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:49:56 AM EST
    funny to me. My husband and I each drank two a day until this week. I counted up...that's almost $250 a month! I need to learn to like coffee. For now, I've switched to diet Mountain Dew and it actually wakes me up much better than Red Bull.

    Hm (5.00 / 6) (#115)
    by Steve M on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:48:29 AM EST
    I somehow think a site policy is being violated here, as well as several standards of decency.

    Friggin' Unity Ambassadors (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by waldenpond on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:56:44 AM EST
    I am going to bed now.  When will they-ey-ey be banned?

    Oooh, here are some special little ditties:  stop whining; I'm talking to the b!itch and moan TalkLeft posters; Hillary supporters have every right to be mad; arrogance is pretending that you won and stubbornly resisting the actual outcome.; Step One is getting over denial and removing the chip from the shoulder.; my sympathies, get well soon; sour grapes; Feel free to start a third party.  See how it goes.; scrifice the principles of their standard bearer to display their pique; I'm sure your daughters will thank you; Clinton is more than a little narcissistic; show some graciousness and some dedication to idea of party unity if she agreed to forego a vote.; expectations should be the same for women when they lose, that they do it graciously;  oh oh oh and ..... tada!    Poor losers

    I had to get this back out.

    Let me just say >:-[

    Awesome rant (none / 0) (#140)
    by eleanora on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:09:35 AM EST
    and graphic! Jeez, they're everywhere on the Internets today, even on my non-political boards. Not sure if it's Axelrod's astroturfers or McCain's, as Cream City posited above. Maybe they've both got the troops out and that's why it feels like a siege. I lolled pretty hard at this though, made the annoyance seem worthwhile. Sleep well :)

    Congrats Hugh McCutchin (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:21:19 AM EST
    Mens VB team just won gold. What a bittersweet victory but three cheers for the team, the coach and the Bachman family.

    The McCain Ad Why Not Hillary? (5.00 / 3) (#188)
    by facta non verba on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:12:41 AM EST
    was just released.

    McCain Ad: Why Not Hillary?

    Another troll theory (5.00 / 3) (#202)
    by Fabian on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:17:59 AM EST
    My theory is:

    When The Obama Coalition scores another victory, his supporters search out the hold outs to see if they've finally "seen the light" and are ready to "embrace their destiny" as part of the Obama Nation.

    Because after all, everyone wants to be on the winning team, so all you need to do is to point out how the Obama Team is the winningest team of all time and everyone will flock to be part of the phenomena!  Because being part of the kool kidz is simply irresistable!

    Because we are all about Hillary(mirror image of all about Obama).  

    In other words, they haven't a clue what motivates us and have no intention of finding out.  We are just little lost lambs who need a shepherd to bring us into the flock.

    I'll be glad when the convention is over and they finally realize that all the razzle dazzle in the world isn't going to make us want to be part of the cheering throng.  We aren't about "being part of" anything.  We are about standing for something no matter how few or how many of us there are.

    Per NYT's Nagourney and Zelney: (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:33:04 PM EST
    Mr. Obama is going to begin a tour of swing states that will bring him into Denver on Wednesday, while Mr. Biden is to head straight to Denver, where, aides said, he will spend time meeting Obama delegates, paying particular attention to helping soothe any tensions with Mrs. Clinton's supporters there.
     [Italics added.]

    As I mentioned earlier, (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by zfran on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:44:46 PM EST
    they are also splitting up so Obama can do some campaigning in Montana and because apart there would be no opportunity for the McCain camp to post anything negative about them as wouldn't be the case if Obama/Biden were together. Sounds silly, but that's what the broadcast said.

    As to the second rationale--doesn't (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:46:40 PM EST
    seem like Obama and Biden being in separate states will deter McCain campaign's criticism of either of them.

    Now, dear, . . . (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:38:43 PM EST
    omg, I just spit water all over my keyboard (none / 0) (#71)
    by Valhalla on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:15:05 AM EST
    I vote that best line of the whole freakin' campaign season.

    A little mediation...? (none / 0) (#22)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:48:21 PM EST
    This might be a good test for Biden's skills at his new job description.  (As listed in an Aug. 19 Reuters story):

    Moving on to the qualities he did want, Obama said, "I want somebody who has integrity, who?s in politics for the right reasons. I want somebody who is ... independent, somebody who is able to say to me, 'You know what, Mr. President? I think you're wrong on this and here's why.'"

    I think that it will probably help soothe the waters if Biden brings some listening skills, an open mind, and his own Kazoo to the meetings.


    But, if Biden and Obama are in separate (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:51:49 PM EST
    states, how will Biden tell Obama he is wrong on "this," i.e., we'll do just fine in the GE w/o benefit of the votes of disgruntled Clinton supporters?

    Maybe he'll send a text message...? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:54:33 PM EST
    ...at some point in time.

    Maybe by ESP. I realize the (none / 0) (#43)
    by zfran on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:57:54 PM EST
    Biden pick was new and all that, but the two of them didn't look very comfortable out there at least the small part I saw and the "ticket" shot they were doing waving. Someone said there was a concert down the street that was asked to stop so Obama could look like he had a "crowd." Was that reported at all?

    Only reported in the Springfield paper (none / 0) (#62)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:06:49 AM EST
    that I saw, when I went looking to see if that crowd was yet again entertained and fed to get them there.

    Yep.  Big bluesfest and bbq down the street that agree to stop for the Obamafest up the street.  So he didn't even need to hire a band and cater this one, as he did in Berlin.  

    The paper was the Springfield Statesman-Journal, as I recall.  


    I don't see anything (none / 0) (#129)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:58:20 AM EST
    wrong with that. Politicians have to do something to draw people to their functions.  Food is always a good draw.  People like to eat.  

    Of course. But the point, petaled one (5.00 / 6) (#145)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:11:15 AM EST
    as discussed here at some length is that it's never reported by the major media when it's about Obama.

    All by Hisself, the One brought out 75,000 of the masses in Oregon.  Not a word about his warm-up act being the Decembrists, who as you no doubt know and as I am told by my progeny are one of the hottest bands around.

    Contrast that with the reporting four years ago, when Kerry brought out a bigger crowd on a campus -- but as was freely and widely stated, it was because it was a freebie concert with The True One, The Boss.

    Again, see the reporting of Teh Biggest Rally in Berlin since the crowd wore tops of a deep-tan tinge.  Turns out, as we only learned from European media, that Obama had to feed and entertain the crowd to get them there.  

    Etc.  But today, we again are told by the media that are not based in Springfield that the big crowd all came out for Obama and, wait for it, that big crowd-getter Joe Biden.  Well, now it turns out that they were blues fans with nothing to do but listen to the pols while waiting for the music to start again, and for the bbq to be spiced up and heated up again, yum.



    Again, (none / 0) (#152)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:16:53 AM EST
    WHAT is wrong with that?  It's Barack Obama not Elvis Presley.  He gets slammed for drawing crowds by McCain, he gets slammed for feeding them by you.



    Look at it this way (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:35:42 AM EST
    Obama isn't being slammed by anyone here.  The media is.

    For pretending all those people went to these events to see Obama.

    when the media does a better job of reporting these events, then others will stop slamming the media for their poor reporting of these events.

    As you point out, Obama is just doing what he thinks he needs to do to get people out to his events.


    Right. Like yesterday (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:48:14 AM EST
    when you saw that interview of Hillary. She was at the state fair. Politicians go to the people. Obama I think got lucky on this one or just timed it well because he had a specific location in mind for "spin". But they never mention the festival in the reporting. When you saw all those mikes in Hillary's face, it wasn't an event per say, but they did tell you where she was. I think she goes every year, which is good for her NYS voters, but in general, she doesn't make an "event" out of it. She certainly didn't stop the fair so she could give a speech  ;)

    Am I making sense, lol!~?


    when you have to feed people to (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by hellothere on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:44:31 AM EST
    get them to come and maybe listen to you, then you have a problem. that problem is you are losing the election.

    Again, le fleur (none / 0) (#174)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:11:30 AM EST
    I have stated the case.  It is not about Obama.  It is about the coverage.  But bless your heart, you don't want to listen.  Well, then, whatevuh yerself.

    Does the VP really call the Pres Mr. President? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:52:55 PM EST
    That seems kind of formal to me. After today, he'll have to call him Mr. America! :)

    Here's a song that might fit... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by EL seattle on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:05:47 AM EST
    ... some of the mood of the day.  Perhaps Jimmy Buffet will rewrite the lyrics just a little bit with the new team in mind.

    ( Warning!  May contain heavy kazoo use!!! )


    Note to Jeralyn: We need official TL kazoos! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:11:16 AM EST
    I see a merchandising bonanza here, Jeralyn.  Be the first one on the blogblock.  

    Hmmm, how about a combo flashdrive-kazoo?  Then it already would come on a handy cord to hang around the neck.  I crack up at the sight of my colleagues wearing their trusty flashdrives that way.  They look like playground supervisors heading for recess with the whistles around the neck, at the ready.

    Whistles are so cop-shop.  Calling on all playground supervisors to use kazoos!  Imagine the tunes one could tootle to the kiddies.

    Hmmm, Dem conventioneers:  My suggestion for the song to kazoo would be "Dirt Off My Shoulders."


    Here's the link to happiness (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by blogtopus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:40:15 AM EST
    Oddly worded (none / 0) (#74)
    by Valhalla on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:16:41 AM EST
    he's going to meet with Obama delegates to soothe tensions?

    But not meet with Clinton delegates?  Boy, that'll clear it all up.


    Maybe, at last, it means (none / 0) (#148)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:13:24 AM EST
    that there is recognition that it is the Obama backers who are not getting over it?

    Or maybe it just means that the poll results are making them tense these days.  Understandably.


    Did anyone else (none / 0) (#6)
    by Democratic Cat on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:39:02 PM EST
    Read Bob Herbert today and say, "well, duh."

    It's no secret that some portion (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:14:18 AM EST
    of the readership realized some time ago that Bob Herbert is a tool.  

    Slate had a really stupid article today also about (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by andrys on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:40:42 AM EST
    Obama losing ONLY because voters who don't want him are racist.
      The article is by Jacob Weisberg, and the title is
    "If obama Loses - Racism is the only reason McCain might beat him."

      Obviously he doesn't see him as a whole person, who has pluses and minuses but as a 'person of color.'

      As anyone would guess, the writer is ignorant of many details of the primary (but mainly not interested since he already is sure why not all voters are rushing to Obama).
    I like Slate and subscribe to the Kindle edition because I enjoy it, but it was the absolutely most lazy-minded article I have ever read on that site.

      In the meantime, look at all those who are voting for him because of his color AND because of that 'coded wording' of its being a "historic" campaign.  What makes it 'historic' ?

    Oh!  But the word can't be used on the plus side and so we give it a 'deep' name.  I vote for people for the people they are, I don't know about Jacob.  I've read others saying we will be "redeemed" for what we did as a nation if we vote for Obama on this historic basis.  Yes, let's take the person and his response to issues out of the equation or the lack of such talk in the 1-yr stump speech.  Telling Germans "We can remake the world" just makes so much sense.  

    Weisberg ends with " ... a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd choice...It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline."

      Or a newspaper's hysterical and simple-minded decline, at least in one article.


    that person (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:48:31 PM EST
    seemed to only care about divisiveness when it's about obama.

    and had nothing to say about the divisiveness that one sees on other "progressive" blogs.

    pretty transparent if you ask me.

    i don't have any real problem speaking out against no quarter just as soon as everyone can agree that dailykos is no different at all in terms of temprament, style, tactics and sundry incoherence.

    But without that agreement, then it's just a matter of making a choice about who you think deserves to be treated like crap more.  Clinton or Obama.

    i am still very interested in people taking action to raise the level of discourse -- to find a way to talk about things without oversimplifying them and creating misperceptions about the politicians we support -- and create unity, but i'm not a fan of that goal being pursued in the superficial and double standard way I see it pursued by most of the blogging world.

    He's a long-term (none / 0) (#31)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:52:40 PM EST
    troll over at Tennessee Guerilla Women.  They've banned him several times and he keeps coming back.  Then last week, he showed up at one of the other PUMA blogs - Confluence, maybe?  I guess it's TL's turn.

    it doesn't really matter to me who that person (none / 0) (#143)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:10:40 AM EST
    is, although it might be something to take into account.   there's a larger issue at stake.

    an odd thing happened today.  a comment was deleted because it was perceived as a personal attack.

    but while the comment was an attack on others (there is no need for me to pretend different) the comment was attacking others for, you know, making personal attacks themselves on biden for the last 8 years.  and then pointing out how that must make them look at this point.  now that they must play the apologists.  the foolish rationalizers they used to shake their pitchforks at.

    so i stand by my issue.  if people want to raise the level of discussion to where things are not oversimplified or taken out of context to create misperceptions about politicians (or anyone at all for that matter), that is something i am incredibly interested in.   very much so.  i can't say that enough.  tchris wrote something about that a week or so ago.  it will only allow people to make better informed decisions about those politicians.  and i think dems will be better off in that world.

    but if all it is is a dynamic by which, a sort two wrongs don't make it right dynamic where one group is allowed to behave a certain way on their blogs while the other group gets their comments deleted on their blogs, then it's a real issue.  I lose site of the goal.  morale degenerates.  i start to think no quarter is just doing what they need to do, using that tactics that everyone uses, to fight for the things they care about.

    it's the way of the world.  and my goal should be concluded a naive one.  time to head on over to no quarter and start asking questions about birth certs instead of doing the things that i really think are important.


    Wow... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kredwyn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:52:51 PM EST
    getting ready for my trip has taken a lot longer than I thought.

    So, you haven't started taking (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:59:00 PM EST
    things out of the suitcase yet?  Bad sign.

    Well that depends... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kredwyn on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:05:26 AM EST
    I have a pile of stuff to put into the suitcase after I take the other stuff out. So I'm almost there...but the laundry is taking longer than expected.

    And the cat is wandering around wondering why her toys and food have been stuck in a bag near the front door. She's going with...

    And I've put in all of my in-progress knitting projects...just in case I get fed up with the novel plotting and tramping around the farm.

    I've got about 90% of my list struck out...which is good.

    It's an 8 hour drive...bleargh.


    Last trip I actually completed the (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:07:53 AM EST
    laundry 24 hours b/4 I started packing.  New resolution for future trips.

    that woulda been great... (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by kredwyn on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:14:57 AM EST
    but my brother came and borrowed the dryer to prep for his camping trip. And he promptly killed the dryer.

    That was last Saturday.

    The dryer guy came yesterday to look at it and declare that it was on its last legs. He spun the inner drum thingy and jump started it. Apparently the switch is wearing out...

    So I've been doing laundry with my fingers crossed all day.


    You need/deserve a vacation. (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:17:10 AM EST
    I'm looking forward to it... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kredwyn on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:23:06 AM EST
    Last year, my week in NY turned into 3 days thanks to a time sensitive contract I was working.

    This year...the group I'm working with was perfectly fine with me wandering off for a week before I started doing the two job thing again. (Taught a summer semester class and did my normal contract for the month of July...classes start up again after Labor Day.)


    Where are you headed? (none / 0) (#139)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:09:26 AM EST
    If I may be so bold as to ask  :)

    I know what you mean (none / 0) (#93)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:38:23 AM EST
    about packing for trips.  I always have to remember my ortho novum.

    How I hope that a child of mine (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:20:23 AM EST
    has learned that the hard way, after a hectic packing night a week ago.  When you wait until the end, you just might forget a chapstick in your pocket that will melt and mark most of your new shirts with waxy spots.

    A few hours of my fave presoak and then a few more times through the wash, and most were okay.  But by then, there were only a few hours left for a few winks before a ten-hour trek across the country and ocean.

    And now I get word that he landed in England only to be held for five hours by immigration, complete with mugshot and fingerprinting and full treatment as a criminal . . . finally to be cleared, and all for no reason given or apparent reason whatever.  Passport was fine, plenty of funds, place to stay, etc., and only staying for a couple of weeks, anyway.  Anyone else had this experience at Heathrow?  Are more hassles ahead getting out to get about Europe a bit and then getting back into England to get home?  What the heck?

    Googling, I get a report of a debate only a week or so ago in Parliament about horrid conditions in the holding area at Heathrow.  I am not happy to hear that my child has been subjected to this.


    It's sad to hear these stories (none / 0) (#83)
    by Prabhata on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:27:29 AM EST
    but it's how it is now.  Nobody has any rights.

    Did your son have a return ticket? (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:33:45 AM EST
    Yes. And various other forms of paperwork (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:16:45 AM EST
    that verified that he is expected back on this side of the pond in a couple of weeks.  I had read up on several sorts of sites about what to do to avoid exactly what he endured.  So he was armed with the paperwork advised.  And yet, this was his welcome.

    Maybe they know about his Irisher mom.  Known to refer to them as the D*mn Brits.


    Hmmm. Maybe they read (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:39:44 AM EST
    Talk Left?  The only problem of which I have second-hand knowledge is no return ticket.  

    It's all so random (none / 0) (#116)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:48:45 AM EST
    I've seen older women get hauled off for strip searches, middle aged mom's traveling with kids have to empty their entire carry-on, and questionable looking folks go right through.

    Not a pleasant experience, but if his name isn't on a no fly list, he should be able to leave England without a problem.

    I've flown some dozen times domestically in the past 3 years and every single time my bag arrives with the stickers and the cards inside telling me they inspected it. No idea why.


    Well, I'm somewhat reassured (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:25:42 AM EST
    by finding out that his misery has much company.

    I vow, from what I've read now of the Parliament report, never to fly through Heathrow, either.

    I think that upon his return, it will be worth investigating whether he has landed on some no-fly list.  I swear that I was on one when Homeland Security first ratcheted up.  I was stopped repeatedly, a middle-aged sort, and subjected to absolute idiocy -- and in my own lifelong town.  A plane had to be held once while I had to put up with being handled publicly, before the private rooms now, because the overly sensitive metal detector went off, over and over, no matter how much I removed.  It began to be reminiscent of my youngish strip-poker days.  Turned out it was because of underwires in my upper underwear, as it were.  Jeesh.

    I finally have set up an entire wardrobe that is worn for flight, involving less structured underthings and certain shoes (I usually wear some with metal reinforcers owing to a bad back and have been stopped for those) and have a checklist that reminds me not to wear a barrette but a rubber band, instead, when I let my hair go  longish.  No glasses, either.  No jewelry.  

    And I seem to be off whatever list that was for a while.  But it was beyond aggravating to my traveling companions, too.


    Terrible what happened to your son but (none / 0) (#198)
    by andrys on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:45:08 AM EST
    hilarious what made the detectors go off in your case !

    Here's hoping your next trips, each of you, is a LOT better.


    well at least you have a (none / 0) (#180)
    by hellothere on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:48:34 AM EST
    vacation to look forward to this week. the last time i packed was when the latest tropical storm to hit texas came in. our weather channel here nearly has fits of delight talking it up. and i worry about rising water so i packed up 3 cats and left. that was so not fun!

    Gotta pump up on the coffee (none / 0) (#91)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:35:45 AM EST
    Well (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by Nadai on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:44:18 AM EST
    I won't stay up to 3 am to see it, but it sounds interesting.  Most of McCain's ads have been pretty effective so far.

    the 3 in the morning (none / 0) (#114)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:47:42 AM EST
    thing is getting a little played out.  I support Barack but that text going out like that just reminded people of Hillary.  I got my text in the middle of the night and it scared me.

    It was played out after the first day (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53:33 AM EST
    just like all the other petty, made up stuff on Hillary.

    I have to (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by flowergirlovesobama on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:06:37 AM EST

    I suspect (none / 0) (#121)
    by Nadai on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:51:41 AM EST
    McCain's hoping the MSM will play Clinton's original 3 am ad alongside his new one, giving him twice the bang.

    New to me at Heathrow: (none / 0) (#125)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:55:10 AM EST
    photo taken of each arriving non-EU passport traveler.  In computer and constant verification.  I thought:  (1) why doesn't U.S. require this, and (2) if this applied to U.S. citizens in U.S., what a hue and cry.  

    There is a hue-and-cry in England (none / 0) (#165)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:27:17 AM EST
    about it, as I came across in my googling.  But such concerns seem to have as much impact there as here.

    Learned a lesson tonight (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:09:58 AM EST
    about the rules on TL. Can't criticize ONE Clinton supporter in the media for inappropriate comments, even when the criticism is in DEFENSE of Clinton supporters, or your comment will be zapped. Unbelieveable.

    TL itself (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:29:47 AM EST
    criticized Wolfson for giving Rove a compliment.

    Your observation makes little sense.


    Your comment was deleted for (none / 0) (#159)
    by waldenpond on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:23:44 AM EST
    'BO'  Jeralyn has repeatedly ask that commenters use the candidates names.  The initials can be used as an insult.

    Oh okay. Thanks. I really didn't mean to offend. (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by TheJoker on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:25:40 AM EST
    I wonder how many (none / 0) (#171)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:48:17 AM EST
    Talking Head shows tomorrow will be devoted to Clinton?  Hmmm.  I'm sure there will be some.  

    A concervative blogger suggests Obama purposely (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by masslib on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:51:52 AM EST
    pokes Clinton in the eye over and over again to distract the media so he never has to say anything substantive.  

    Just Before (none / 0) (#199)
    by andrys on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:50:32 AM EST
    Just before poking her in the eye...

    She's getting some good press (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:55:55 AM EST
    outta this. I've tried to stay with the more neutral (LOL!~) reporting, and it's pretty funny. I've heard one pro-O guest on a show saying she should either get on board or go away. Including the convention is too much about her, but mostly, about her not being vetted or O even consulting either Clinton. Basically, looks like she gets more thumbs up (aside from the obvious O sources) than not.

    McCain is playing the game well. And quite frankly it's helping with her good press. Kinda nice to have some balance to all the BS against her. Also, they may not have vetted Biden enough, or they may be over confident in  their ability to counter his negatives against O's primary and GE themes. OOPS!


    I believe (none / 0) (#184)
    by Grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:58:44 AM EST
    McCain, Clinton and Biden all have a lot of respect for each other, on a personal and professional level.

    Obama hasn't been in Washington long enough to get that kind of respect.  He hasn't even won one re-election bid yet.  

    I have to wonder how Obama got Biden to run on the ticket?  Biden originally said he didn't want to be VP.  I also understand, since they only asked him recently, he probably wasn't the first choice.  So...  Is Biden doing this for the team?  

    I look for all the Clinton drama to fade out over the next couple of months but I also believe that Biden will fail to capture a lot of her voters.  It's not that there is anything wrong with Biden, it's just that he is not running for President.  He's running for VP and it's not the same thing.  

    This whole "Obama/Biden" ticket looks a lot like the "Bush/Cheney" ticket of 2000 and 2004.  The "Washington outsider" paired with the older Statesman.  I think that might turn a lot of people off.  


    Exactly (none / 0) (#189)
    by Prabhata on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:26:38 AM EST
    I don't think voters will fall for that scheme again.  I don't want Biden to be the behind the scenes president, like Cheney.  And I certainly don't want Obama to be the president, given that his whole experience is as a state legislator, and not very accomplished.  If the candidate was someone like Willie Brown, CA Speaker of the House and Mayor of SF, at least he'd be accomplished.  What was Pelosi thinking?  OMG! It's a big joke to them.  Just look how the VP was handled, like a TV game show.

    Pelosi said yesterday (5.00 / 5) (#200)
    by andrys on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:57:27 AM EST
    that it's not a coronation, it's a nomination.

    Well, if so, why do all the newspapers write that it is generous of Obama to "permit" her to put her name in nomination and to "allow" her to maybe have a roll-call as has been done over the last several decades for the others! -- when, and this is important, neither he nor Clinton got the sufficient number of elected delegates to gain the nomination and so enough superdelegates were required to 'commit' in order to get him over the hump BUT they are allowed by the rules to change their mind at any time without needing to explain even.

      So, no, he's not the nominee, until he's nominated.  And all this "permission" and "allowing" by him is exactly the coronation actions encouraged by Pelosi and Dean.  Whoever heard of someone saying that there could be no opponents on the ballot?   Oh, sorry.  Alice Palmer and the other 4 who ran and were tossed off the ballot against him, and the 2 who suddenly had to withdraw for U.S. Senate because secrets somehow came out and Axelrod pressed Chicago Tribune to print the stories.

      And people wonder why he's not way ahead in the polls even against a John McCain 2008 who is darn scary.


    I'd predict this sequence... (none / 0) (#175)
    by EL seattle on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:12:32 AM EST
    For at least one of the shows today:

    1a.) Obama and Biden in Springfield
    1b.) Biden's strengths for the ticket
    1c.) Two Springfield gaffes.
    2.)  McCain 'Biden comments' ad
    3.)  Latest polls
    4a.) McCain's new '3AM' ad
    4b.) Is Obama dissing Hillary?
    5.)  Panel Discussion
    6.)  Shouting over mic
    7.)  Much chummy chuckling

    Plus at least three ad breaks.


    US-Spain Basketball Game (none / 0) (#181)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:53:41 AM EST
    Is it just me or is the officiating in this game total sh#t!

    Vetting myth debunked (none / 0) (#182)
    by Ennis on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:54:27 AM EST
    Howard Fineman reports:

       I talked two months ago to one of her closest legal advisors, who told me that she didn't really WANT to be considered for the number two job--in no small measure because the process would have required Obama's lawyers to comb through her husband's foundation and its murky sources of income.

        In that sense, Obama did her a favor by not really demanding to consider her. She would have had to say "no."

    Ha Ha Ha (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:56:03 AM EST
    This story has been picked apart hours ago on most networks. Nice try though

    USA Olympic BB Champs (none / 0) (#190)
    by dissenter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:30:00 AM EST
    Rock Chalk USA!

    Now if they would just get on (none / 0) (#193)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:56:18 AM EST
    with the ceremony! I need a cat nap  :)

    Fun game!


    Saying it best... (none / 0) (#201)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 06:42:42 AM EST
    I think Joe Biden said it best a few days ago while driving his car.
    "I'm not the guy."
    How true.