Overnight Open Thread.
Make a new
Obama bin Biden
Hope you can make believe in!
Why does that stuff get to get posted on this website? It seems like it almosts approves of it.
Do you not remember the delegates at the RNC in 2004 wearing flip flops on their hands so they can spank them together and yell "flip flop" every time Kerry's name was mentioned?
Not planning on watching either one this year.
You are arguing with the wrong population segment here. I think about the country outside of the bubble of the blogosophere, do you see the difference?
And the irony gets more delicious.
You could fix your computer so it doesn't smear Obama but...Obama bloats Vista.
They went on to the other names, too: Obama Bayh Bayh, etc.
There are a few blog sites that draw a lot of attention in the media, and people who come up with those ideas often comment as many places as they can in a day to get things going.
It'll never be used by the Republicans or the media. At least I hope not.
This pandora's box is officially open.
I do have a bit of a personal parochial interest in the state of Amtrak, because it's simply the best way to get from DC to NYC and a particular point in between: my family home in Philly.
One of Joe Biden's best qualities has been his strong support for properly funding Amtrak. That makes sense of course--he's ridden it almost every day for 30 years. But it means that, if elected, the Obama administration could really do something good for Amtrak, which is always struggling. That makes me happy.
I was also amazed to read a comment on a previous thread today saying that Diane M's appearance on C Matthews included her making some racist comments. I watched that twice. She did no such thing, she never has, and she never will.
And it points to another thing that is actually heartbreaking about the loud/hatingest part of Obama's supporters -- not just truthiness but an absolute ignorance of the concept of backing up your statements. It's not just that they don't think references are important, it's that there's no consciousness of backing up what you say at all.
If a statement makes your case, agree with it and repeat repeat repeat. Thus it becomes fact, and can't be disputed.
There's a TON of trolling going on, on many sites, and I can't figure whether it's a dawning realization that their guy may well lose the GE, or they're frightened about Biden, or it's pre-convention frenzy.
Guess unity is not happening.
This fed up yellow dog has gone Independent.
Now it's down to less than 80 days. And there aren't that many voters here to make this worth Obama's while, is it? I just don't get it. So the only explanation for it seems to be . . . see above.
The commenter's content degenerated so much, and with that moniker . . . frankly, I wonder if it was a McCain supporter sent here now. We certainly are seeing some awful commenters today. And can they all really be Obama backers -- and that bad?
I've met my share of simplistic Obama supporters online and in person, but the ones we've seen today are so badly briefed that I'm wondering if we all might want to remember how Rovian the Repubs can be.
I wonder, at times, if they are not in the country and don't understand the culture well enough to know how to do the negotiation/logic thing.
Or, they're just angry cowards who want to yell at people who think differently than they do, and the anonymous nature of the net works for them.
Just thinking out loud, and remembering the friends we made when we lived in the middle east.
They were overly "sarcastic" with the Americans until they got to know us and realized we were different than our TV shows.
Don't forget, they are operating in a d@mn vacuum. ABG has been around. He's trolled over at Confluence and apparently other places because it looked like he had followed a poster over there from another site.
Or maybe they are renegade Republicans?
On the other hand, I think you have to be pretty young to get your jollies by posting junk on an internet bulletin board. McCain isn't doing that well with the younger crowd.
Obama has a crack team that knows how to win. Biden was just icing on the cake. I know that there are a lot of Clinton supporters who will never come around. And that's fine. May the best candidate win.
But I think that Rove has nothing to do with what's going on now. Rove didn't manipulate voters in the Dem caucuses or primaries. Hell it was more Limbaugh than anything.
Not my fault Clinton lost. I haven't said anything bad about your name...masslib? Isn't that redundant?
I had to take "girl" (actually "girlz") because "queen" and the straight up "girl" were already taken -- and this was way back in 1998!
I have to be honest though... I like "girl" and "girlz" a lot better than "gurl" which looks like something you would swallow or gulp. ;-)
Poll on Biden -- Not A Big Hit Yet
Among women, the choice has been poorly received. Ask Anita Hill why.
On Tuesday, I hope that Hillary takes all the time she needs and stays true to who she was and what we all believed in during this campaign. She's done enough for Obama; let her now do something for the rest of us.
Hey, wait a minute! If "we are the ones we've been waiting for", was that our trickle down?!
Why am I not surprised. Thanks, Caroline.
He has experience in Washington, but he is not of Washington," she said.
That's like the "outside" insider I read today. Clever little devils, aren't they.
The faux sentimentality today - Obama saying that Biden "beat the odds" growing up? Is everyone from the American working class some kind of survivor from the depths of hell? The distorted class perspectives of the Democrats are really mutating what the party once was.
The condescension is just awful. I think every speechwriter for the Dems is a Harvard graduate with posters of Norma Rae and Cousin Vinny hanging on the wall. They're just that clueless.
Btw, said sib finally gave it up when treated for migraines. Turns out Dew is about the worst trigger that can be, right up there with MSG.
Oooh, here are some special little ditties: stop whining; I'm talking to the b!itch and moan TalkLeft posters; Hillary supporters have every right to be mad; arrogance is pretending that you won and stubbornly resisting the actual outcome.; Step One is getting over denial and removing the chip from the shoulder.; my sympathies, get well soon; sour grapes; Feel free to start a third party. See how it goes.; scrifice the principles of their standard bearer to display their pique; I'm sure your daughters will thank you; Clinton is more than a little narcissistic; show some graciousness and some dedication to idea of party unity if she agreed to forego a vote.; expectations should be the same for women when they lose, that they do it graciously; oh oh oh and ..... tada! Poor losers
I had to get this back out.
Let me just say >:-[
McCain Ad: Why Not Hillary?
When The Obama Coalition scores another victory, his supporters search out the hold outs to see if they've finally "seen the light" and are ready to "embrace their destiny" as part of the Obama Nation.
Because after all, everyone wants to be on the winning team, so all you need to do is to point out how the Obama Team is the winningest team of all time and everyone will flock to be part of the phenomena! Because being part of the kool kidz is simply irresistable!
Because we are all about Hillary(mirror image of all about Obama).
In other words, they haven't a clue what motivates us and have no intention of finding out. We are just little lost lambs who need a shepherd to bring us into the flock.
I'll be glad when the convention is over and they finally realize that all the razzle dazzle in the world isn't going to make us want to be part of the cheering throng. We aren't about "being part of" anything. We are about standing for something no matter how few or how many of us there are.
Mr. Obama is going to begin a tour of swing states that will bring him into Denver on Wednesday, while Mr. Biden is to head straight to Denver, where, aides said, he will spend time meeting Obama delegates, paying particular attention to helping soothe any tensions with Mrs. Clinton's supporters there.
Moving on to the qualities he did want, Obama said, "I want somebody who has integrity, who?s in politics for the right reasons. I want somebody who is ... independent, somebody who is able to say to me, 'You know what, Mr. President? I think you're wrong on this and here's why.'"
I think that it will probably help soothe the waters if Biden brings some listening skills, an open mind, and his own Kazoo to the meetings.
Yep. Big bluesfest and bbq down the street that agree to stop for the Obamafest up the street. So he didn't even need to hire a band and cater this one, as he did in Berlin.
The paper was the Springfield Statesman-Journal, as I recall.
All by Hisself, the One brought out 75,000 of the masses in Oregon. Not a word about his warm-up act being the Decembrists, who as you no doubt know and as I am told by my progeny are one of the hottest bands around.
Contrast that with the reporting four years ago, when Kerry brought out a bigger crowd on a campus -- but as was freely and widely stated, it was because it was a freebie concert with The True One, The Boss.
Again, see the reporting of Teh Biggest Rally in Berlin since the crowd wore tops of a deep-tan tinge. Turns out, as we only learned from European media, that Obama had to feed and entertain the crowd to get them there.
Etc. But today, we again are told by the media that are not based in Springfield that the big crowd all came out for Obama and, wait for it, that big crowd-getter Joe Biden. Well, now it turns out that they were blues fans with nothing to do but listen to the pols while waiting for the music to start again, and for the bbq to be spiced up and heated up again, yum.
For pretending all those people went to these events to see Obama.
when the media does a better job of reporting these events, then others will stop slamming the media for their poor reporting of these events.
As you point out, Obama is just doing what he thinks he needs to do to get people out to his events.
Am I making sense, lol!~?
( Warning! May contain heavy kazoo use!!! )
Hmmm, how about a combo flashdrive-kazoo? Then it already would come on a handy cord to hang around the neck. I crack up at the sight of my colleagues wearing their trusty flashdrives that way. They look like playground supervisors heading for recess with the whistles around the neck, at the ready.
Whistles are so cop-shop. Calling on all playground supervisors to use kazoos! Imagine the tunes one could tootle to the kiddies.
Hmmm, Dem conventioneers: My suggestion for the song to kazoo would be "Dirt Off My Shoulders."
But not meet with Clinton delegates? Boy, that'll clear it all up.
Or maybe it just means that the poll results are making them tense these days. Understandably.
Obviously he doesn't see him as a whole person, who has pluses and minuses but as a 'person of color.'
As anyone would guess, the writer is ignorant of many details of the primary (but mainly not interested since he already is sure why not all voters are rushing to Obama).
I like Slate and subscribe to the Kindle edition because I enjoy it, but it was the absolutely most lazy-minded article I have ever read on that site.
In the meantime, look at all those who are voting for him because of his color AND because of that 'coded wording' of its being a "historic" campaign. What makes it 'historic' ?
Oh! But the word can't be used on the plus side and so we give it a 'deep' name. I vote for people for the people they are, I don't know about Jacob. I've read others saying we will be "redeemed" for what we did as a nation if we vote for Obama on this historic basis. Yes, let's take the person and his response to issues out of the equation or the lack of such talk in the 1-yr stump speech. Telling Germans "We can remake the world" just makes so much sense.
Weisberg ends with " ... a rejection of the promise he represents wouldn't just be an odd choice...It would be taken for what it would be: sign and symptom of a nation's historical decline."
Or a newspaper's hysterical and simple-minded decline, at least in one article.
and had nothing to say about the divisiveness that one sees on other "progressive" blogs.
pretty transparent if you ask me.
i don't have any real problem speaking out against no quarter just as soon as everyone can agree that dailykos is no different at all in terms of temprament, style, tactics and sundry incoherence.
But without that agreement, then it's just a matter of making a choice about who you think deserves to be treated like crap more. Clinton or Obama.
i am still very interested in people taking action to raise the level of discourse -- to find a way to talk about things without oversimplifying them and creating misperceptions about the politicians we support -- and create unity, but i'm not a fan of that goal being pursued in the superficial and double standard way I see it pursued by most of the blogging world.
an odd thing happened today. a comment was deleted because it was perceived as a personal attack.
but while the comment was an attack on others (there is no need for me to pretend different) the comment was attacking others for, you know, making personal attacks themselves on biden for the last 8 years. and then pointing out how that must make them look at this point. now that they must play the apologists. the foolish rationalizers they used to shake their pitchforks at.
so i stand by my issue. if people want to raise the level of discussion to where things are not oversimplified or taken out of context to create misperceptions about politicians (or anyone at all for that matter), that is something i am incredibly interested in. very much so. i can't say that enough. tchris wrote something about that a week or so ago. it will only allow people to make better informed decisions about those politicians. and i think dems will be better off in that world.
but if all it is is a dynamic by which, a sort two wrongs don't make it right dynamic where one group is allowed to behave a certain way on their blogs while the other group gets their comments deleted on their blogs, then it's a real issue. I lose site of the goal. morale degenerates. i start to think no quarter is just doing what they need to do, using that tactics that everyone uses, to fight for the things they care about.
it's the way of the world. and my goal should be concluded a naive one. time to head on over to no quarter and start asking questions about birth certs instead of doing the things that i really think are important.
And the cat is wandering around wondering why her toys and food have been stuck in a bag near the front door. She's going with...
And I've put in all of my in-progress knitting projects...just in case I get fed up with the novel plotting and tramping around the farm.
I've got about 90% of my list struck out...which is good.
It's an 8 hour drive...bleargh.
That was last Saturday.
The dryer guy came yesterday to look at it and declare that it was on its last legs. He spun the inner drum thingy and jump started it. Apparently the switch is wearing out...
So I've been doing laundry with my fingers crossed all day.
This year...the group I'm working with was perfectly fine with me wandering off for a week before I started doing the two job thing again. (Taught a summer semester class and did my normal contract for the month of July...classes start up again after Labor Day.)
A few hours of my fave presoak and then a few more times through the wash, and most were okay. But by then, there were only a few hours left for a few winks before a ten-hour trek across the country and ocean.
And now I get word that he landed in England only to be held for five hours by immigration, complete with mugshot and fingerprinting and full treatment as a criminal . . . finally to be cleared, and all for no reason given or apparent reason whatever. Passport was fine, plenty of funds, place to stay, etc., and only staying for a couple of weeks, anyway. Anyone else had this experience at Heathrow? Are more hassles ahead getting out to get about Europe a bit and then getting back into England to get home? What the heck?
Googling, I get a report of a debate only a week or so ago in Parliament about horrid conditions in the holding area at Heathrow. I am not happy to hear that my child has been subjected to this.
Maybe they know about his Irisher mom. Known to refer to them as the D*mn Brits.
Not a pleasant experience, but if his name isn't on a no fly list, he should be able to leave England without a problem.
I've flown some dozen times domestically in the past 3 years and every single time my bag arrives with the stickers and the cards inside telling me they inspected it. No idea why.
I vow, from what I've read now of the Parliament report, never to fly through Heathrow, either.
I think that upon his return, it will be worth investigating whether he has landed on some no-fly list. I swear that I was on one when Homeland Security first ratcheted up. I was stopped repeatedly, a middle-aged sort, and subjected to absolute idiocy -- and in my own lifelong town. A plane had to be held once while I had to put up with being handled publicly, before the private rooms now, because the overly sensitive metal detector went off, over and over, no matter how much I removed. It began to be reminiscent of my youngish strip-poker days. Turned out it was because of underwires in my upper underwear, as it were. Jeesh.
I finally have set up an entire wardrobe that is worn for flight, involving less structured underthings and certain shoes (I usually wear some with metal reinforcers owing to a bad back and have been stopped for those) and have a checklist that reminds me not to wear a barrette but a rubber band, instead, when I let my hair go longish. No glasses, either. No jewelry.
And I seem to be off whatever list that was for a while. But it was beyond aggravating to my traveling companions, too.
Here's hoping your next trips, each of you, is a LOT better.
Your observation makes little sense.
McCain is playing the game well. And quite frankly it's helping with her good press. Kinda nice to have some balance to all the BS against her. Also, they may not have vetted Biden enough, or they may be over confident in their ability to counter his negatives against O's primary and GE themes. OOPS!
Obama hasn't been in Washington long enough to get that kind of respect. He hasn't even won one re-election bid yet.
I have to wonder how Obama got Biden to run on the ticket? Biden originally said he didn't want to be VP. I also understand, since they only asked him recently, he probably wasn't the first choice. So... Is Biden doing this for the team?
I look for all the Clinton drama to fade out over the next couple of months but I also believe that Biden will fail to capture a lot of her voters. It's not that there is anything wrong with Biden, it's just that he is not running for President. He's running for VP and it's not the same thing.
This whole "Obama/Biden" ticket looks a lot like the "Bush/Cheney" ticket of 2000 and 2004. The "Washington outsider" paired with the older Statesman. I think that might turn a lot of people off.
Well, if so, why do all the newspapers write that it is generous of Obama to "permit" her to put her name in nomination and to "allow" her to maybe have a roll-call as has been done over the last several decades for the others! -- when, and this is important, neither he nor Clinton got the sufficient number of elected delegates to gain the nomination and so enough superdelegates were required to 'commit' in order to get him over the hump BUT they are allowed by the rules to change their mind at any time without needing to explain even.
So, no, he's not the nominee, until he's nominated. And all this "permission" and "allowing" by him is exactly the coronation actions encouraged by Pelosi and Dean. Whoever heard of someone saying that there could be no opponents on the ballot? Oh, sorry. Alice Palmer and the other 4 who ran and were tossed off the ballot against him, and the 2 who suddenly had to withdraw for U.S. Senate because secrets somehow came out and Axelrod pressed Chicago Tribune to print the stories.
And people wonder why he's not way ahead in the polls even against a John McCain 2008 who is darn scary.
1a.) Obama and Biden in Springfield
1b.) Biden's strengths for the ticket
1c.) Two Springfield gaffes.
2.) McCain 'Biden comments' ad
3.) Latest polls
4a.) McCain's new '3AM' ad
4b.) Is Obama dissing Hillary?
5.) Panel Discussion
6.) Shouting over mic
7.) Much chummy chuckling
Plus at least three ad breaks.
I talked two months ago to one of her closest legal advisors, who told me that she didn't really WANT to be considered for the number two job--in no small measure because the process would have required Obama's lawyers to comb through her husband's foundation and its murky sources of income.
In that sense, Obama did her a favor by not really demanding to consider her. She would have had to say "no."
In that sense, Obama did her a favor by not really demanding to consider her. She would have had to say "no."