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McCain Responds to Obama's Selection of Joe Biden

CNN just read a statement from John McCain. Completely predictable. He points out that Joe Biden said Barack Obama is not qualified to be President. I guess we can expect that video to be replayed ad nauseum.

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  • Heh (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:07:30 AM EST
    Well, I cannot imagine the Obama campaign is so clueless that they didn't figure out how to deal with this obvious attack.  I'm going to check my text messages for a response right now.

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:12:51 AM EST
    I think they are that clueless, sorry to say. What has been their response to the Rezko and Ayers ads? Remember how they handled Rev. Wright? Don't bet on them being ready for this.

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    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:16:58 AM EST
    Personally, I don't think any of this matters a lot, but I'm just wondering what happened to all the people who were like "oh, it can't possibly be Hillary, she questioned Obama's experience, blah blah blah."  I mean, that isn't looking like such a dealbreaker right now.

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    I would have expected Sen. McCain (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:19:26 AM EST
    to first compliment Sen. Biden as a distinguished colleague and then drop this bomb.  Rove is definitely at work!

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    One of (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:20:15 AM EST
    the posters at MYDD called the whole VP scenario "amateur hour at the campaign". I tend to agree.

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    Obama campaign should just cancel (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:44:36 AM EST
    all those of text messages and save themselves millions at 5 cents a hit.


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    Obama thinks the un-PC white guy can help (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:19:23 AM EST
    I posted a comment earlier today as to why Obama may believe that Biden (with his prior "racist" remarks) can help him defuse his 'problem' with white voters.

    Further to that comment, Biden's role in the flaming of Anita Hill may also be perversely advantageous to Obama. i.e. it makes it look like Obama isn't favoring people of color over white folks.

    FWIW, the ticket is so patently doomed that I've come to believe the DNC/DLC must be deliberately planning to lose the '08 election. Think about it, has there ever been a bigger mess awaiting the next POTUS?

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    well, it would explain why Biden is ... (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by p lukasiak on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:41:13 AM EST
    on the ticket.  With a VP nod under his belt, he might get taken seriously, in 2012.

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    Watching the Olympics (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:14:44 AM EST
    they did indeed break in to announce the VP selection, but the audio got all butchered and they had to come back and do it again after a commercial.   Oops!

    Now a sellout crowd at the Olympic Stadium is rising to their feet and chanting, "Obama/Biden! Obama/Biden!"  Okay, I made that part up.

    Oh, thank God! (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42:43 AM EST
    You had me going there for a minute...

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:44:29 AM EST
    but they did send dancers to the floor of the stadium to form the Chinese characters for "hope," "change," and "articulate."

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    Aaaiiieeee! (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:10 AM EST
    Disagree (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:19:21 AM EST
    about Romney. Romney has an economic record to run from in MA. He also instated univeral health care. McCain gets MI with Romney too. Romney is perceived as a "moderate". All the things that would be an asset to the McCain campaign.

    I know the GOP has to be high fiving all over the place about Biden. If I were a Republican I would be doing cartwheels over this one.

    Romney has a real skill (none / 0) (#32)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:30:06 AM EST
    at bamboozling people.  He got Mass. to elect him, something they came to regret.  if your phony detector isn't tuned real good, he looks quite impressive.

    I like my sister's observation.  Visiting Mass. from another state and having no clue who he was, she caught a glimpse of him on a TV with the sound turned off and said, "Now, there's a face that invites pie."

    They won't do it, but I'd love to see an ad that consisted of nothing more than the various Romney family members describing the incident with the dog strapped to the roof of the car on the highway.

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    What is with (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:38:31 AM EST
    Republicans and dog torture??!!??

    I guess the Repubs' disgusting sex hijinks period has ended.  Long live dog cruelty!

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    I wonder if it's the same dog who used to put his (none / 0) (#80)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:34 AM EST
    paws together as if he was praying when their kids used to kneel to do their bedside prayers - story told by wife during senatorial campaign against Kennedy....

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    Don't forget (none / 0) (#103)
    by cmugirl on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:01:10 AM EST
    the 2002 Winter Olympics - he was a real hero then - saved it from scandal and all.

    Should play well since we will be just finishing with the Olympics again...

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    Yeah, well, that (none / 0) (#154)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:43:57 AM EST
    myth was heavily played in the Mass. campaign and was a big part of what got him elected.

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    mccain could play such a card. (none / 0) (#172)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:22:52 AM EST
    what is her position on choice?

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    Anti-choice (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:22:54 AM EST
    She's not as bad as some - she's not anti-contraception.  But still, anti-choice.  She's a member of "Feminists" for Life.

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    this round to McCain (5.00 / 6) (#25)
    by AlSmith on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:22:53 AM EST

    McCain has already returned server on the pick before Obama even has the made their announcement.

    Good grief.

    That not even factoring in that Biden makes Senator Obama look not so presidential.

    In my head (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:00:50 AM EST
    I see McCain and Biden in Speedos mudwrestling...  

    Unfortunately, I don't see Obama in the picture at all, which is funny because Obama is the one who is supposed to be running for President.

    There is something wrong with my picture, obviously.  

    (Picking Biden really shows that Obama is not ready to lead.  Really!)    

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    Ew. (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Landulph on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:01 AM EST
    'Nuff said. I'm sleeping with the lights on tonight.

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    hahahaha... Joe (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by weltec2 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:27:24 AM EST
    Biden mud wrestling.

    No because in in my head he's a bit of a nebbish. When he has something to say I want to listen, but that is rare... very rare. Mostly I just want him to go away and try not to say anything embarrassing.

    Alright enough already Joe. Thanks for droping by. Go away now, okay?

    In fact, I'm convinced that is why Obama chose him.

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    Borat style (none / 0) (#182)
    by sociallybanned on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:50:29 AM EST
    then yes, ew!

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    not just predicable but lame (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:26:53 AM EST
    from McCain campaign. Of course it might be true, but that's just silly. I mean the dems will have similar things about whoever McCain picks.

    What's really amazing is how amazingly horribly bad the McCain campaign has been. I mean it's really bad. And yet...

    I don't think (none / 0) (#60)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:43:29 AM EST
    it's all been bad. He's gotten more relaxed at giving speeches. They have branded Obama as "celebrity", which I actually view as a statement to his perceived arrogance. And they are better at responding to polls, such as seeing that the majority of people are desperate to lower gas prices, even if it means offshore drilling. I'm just not sure Axelrod has the expertise for a national campaign.

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    I'm beyond anger tonight. (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by sarahfdavis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:31:12 AM EST
    It's all an ugly farce. There's only one thing that feels right in the middle of this mind f*ck - remembering how Hillary fought and how she keeps her head up while the sh*t fan keeps blowing right at her face.
    No. I'm not drunk.

    I cried in June (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:33:26 AM EST
    now I am just angry.  

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    ah, that's nothing (5.00 / 5) (#44)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:36:18 AM EST
    I just heard a democratic strategist, after the VP pick, say Hillary needs to do more. Now I'm horse.

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    Ouch. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:39:32 AM EST
    Of course she does. (5.00 / 7) (#56)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42:38 AM EST
    She always does. It's never enough. This reminds me of a post I saw in the comment section tonight on CNN.com where an Obama supporter wrote that now that the VP has been picked, Hillary needs to unify the party. I did a double-take and read it over a few times to make sure I read it right. Ugh.

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    It's time for her (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:15 AM EST
    to tell Obama to take a flying leap. Enough is enough.

    Well, maybe after the convention. Also keep those delegates and go to the floor.

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    YES! I'M A BITTER SEA HAG!!!! (5.00 / 6) (#85)
    by sarahfdavis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:49:58 AM EST
    Do they even think about what they are saying? Do they even understand the way all previous conventions, opponents behaved in the past? It's like they have a knife at her neck constantly. What is the clinical description of this dynamic? Is there a name for the male that abuses his wife and blames her for his failings? Why is it her responsibility?
    I think they want her to fall on the stage and start writhing and moaning that she wants Obama. What more could she possibly give?

    Hell, we know even if he wins they'll find some way to trash her.

    When I was younger and hotter and redneck a**holes in my small town would drive by in their truck and say lewd sh*t, I'd stare right back at them and yell, "hey baby. let's do it right now. Right here." sometimes I'd even lay down on the sidewalk. I guess those were the waring signs of becoming a bitter sea hag in my 40's.


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    The answer is (5.00 / 7) (#99)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:56:02 AM EST
    that if they wanted Hillary Clinton to unify the party, they ought to have picked Hillary Clinton.

    It is the leader's job to unify the party.  They broke this party, they bought this leader, and now all the king's horses and all the king's men. . . .

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    figured out the has to do more bit (5.00 / 7) (#108)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:05:29 AM EST
    I think they mean to break her. I mean she works tirelessly for him, and they keep saying she needs to do more. I think they'll keep at it until she finally says no. Then they'll point and say, see, she's dividing the party. It's her fault. It's a little game to destroy the Clinton's the rest of the way. So her trick is to keep at it and beat them at the game. Damn hard. And what character they have.

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    Hillary (5.00 / 10) (#115)
    by dissenter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:09:42 AM EST
    Gets out of this fiasco by simply saying Biden is the VP nominee and it is time for her to step out of their limelight. Easy, simple. Stepping away for the good of the party. That is how it is done every four years.

    She can save her self respect and they can self-destruct all on their own.

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    the too many cooks approach (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:42 AM EST
    very good point. I think that could work. Basically say, hey, that's the VP's job. If I'm out there it's too many cooks and the message might get mixed up. I'm leaving it to the professionals (snark). I like it.

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    a diplomat can tell someone to go to (5.00 / 4) (#168)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:15:46 AM EST
    hell and they'll look forward to the trip. there is no need to hillary to prove anything to anyone. she can make an appearance here and there and wait for november. smile and say that we now have two people out campaigning. let's here their ideas.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:22 AM EST
    they keep saying she hasn't done enough. Her concession speech convinced me not to vote AGAINST Obama, but it is his job to convince me to vote FOR him. At this point, I have no plans to vote McCain, but I may vote GREEN.

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    Well, you know (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by sociallybanned on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:53:32 AM EST
    the failure of this future election as well as all have said before is going to be Hilary's fault. Yup, riiiiiggght! I think that's why she is pushing the UNITY.  She knows it won't be her fault but the ignorant MSM will make it out to be .

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    And, if they had wanted to preserve (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:22:13 PM EST
    women's reproductive rights with privacy, they should have picked Hillary. And, .... the list is endless.

    I wish Hillary and Bill and Clark would all declare themselves Independents and begin working toward 2012. There will be no upset at the convention, so I can't hope for the repairing to start there.


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    Frank Luntz (5.00 / 5) (#79)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:27 AM EST
    was on Greta tonight, and at the end of the segment, he said passionately that what Obama now needed to do was to say to Hillary, "Stop!"

    This was after Greta had said, as she has been now and then for a couple of months, that her email inbox is full of emails from angry Dem. women who are just furious about the way Hillary has been treated by both Obama and the media.

    It was the end of the segment so she didn't have time to ask him WTF he was talking about, but he managed to get it in a second time as she was going to commercial.

    Just. Weird.

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    I still miss the Horse. (none / 0) (#55)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42:26 AM EST
    And I'll never remove it from my link list, just as a reminder.

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    The good news ... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by OrangeFur on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:35:00 AM EST
    ... is that McCain seems determined to follow with an equally uninspiring choice. I know Romney is supposed to help in Michigan, but I'm not so sure about that. I have no idea why Pawlenty is mentioned so much as well.

    If McCain were to go for a demographically bold choice--a woman or a minority, I think it'd give him a real boost. Of course, that it's this close at all is hard to believe. Bill Clinton led by 25 points after the convention in 1992, and only won by six, though in a three-way race.

    Don't agree (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:54:21 AM EST
    Yes, you're right, Pawlenty is a dud, but if he goes Romney, I think he gets a big boost.  Romney is a big fat phony, but he's convincing to a lot of people, particularly skeptical conservative voters-- though maybe not the evangelicals, but I don't think McCain has a choice out there that would make them happy without killing his chance of picking up some disaffected Dems.

    A Biden-Romney debate would certainly be interesting...


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    i'll put his(romney) hair and teeth up (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:17:46 AM EST
    against biden anytime. snark

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    Romney would swing NV, at least (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by bigbay on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:45:55 AM EST
    plus he has lot's of money.

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    If McCain picks Romney, (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:04:46 AM EST
    MI goes red. I have no doubt. His family name, the growth of the heavily (R) west side of the state, and to top it off, people are still not "getting over" having their votes given to a candidate no one in the state voted for. Say hello to Pres. McCain.

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    Hm (none / 0) (#109)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:06:56 AM EST
    I dunno about that.  The Romney name still has cachet, but Ronna Romney lost her Senate election pretty handily, and Mitt's brother (my former law partner!) couldn't even get the party's nomination for Attorney General.  So Mitt is worth something, but I mean, it's not like putting Steve Yzerman on the ticket or anything.

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    If only Yzerman were available. :) (none / 0) (#129)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:53 AM EST
    I do think in the general that the Romney name will have sway. He did beat McCain, though Kos will take all the credit for that, and the other factors I mention certainly do not bode well for Obama, no matter what poll numbers are as of today (+7)

    Obama's chances are extremely slim at best.

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    romney has more of a (none / 0) (#170)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:18:53 AM EST
    background in business and biden seems to have more creds in foreign policy.

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    i hope u really dont believe that (none / 0) (#112)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:30 AM EST
    Romney is a bad pick (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by daryl herbert on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:31:23 AM EST
    A substantial portion of McCain's base--maybe 5-10%, maybe more--won't vote for a Mormon.  That may not sound like much, but this election is shaping up to be close. McCain can't afford to tell them to go f--- themselves.

    He will pick Pawlenty or Palin.  They are both well-liked conservatives.  Pawlenty has been loyal to McCain, in addition to being a qualified VP pick.  Palin is a babe, in addition to being a qualified VP pick.  Palin can bring in votes on the drilling issue.

    Romney will get a cabinet position.  Not the VP.

    Remember how McCain stood by and let (p)Huckabee attack Romney for being a Mormon?  McCain let his two rivals tear each other up, and he picked up the pieces.  He's been around, he knows how politics works, and he knows when to pick his battles.

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    You're (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:43:23 AM EST
    right about McCain picks. And if Bill Clinton led in 1992 by 25 pts. then Obama has no hope of winning in Nov.

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    consistant (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:00 AM EST
    you have been against everything Obama says and does since day one  ...now you are "going out on a limb"  to say he has no chance in NOV due to BIDEN....

    Cant lie and say i didnt see that coming.

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    Ga6thdem: ready on Day One. (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:49:11 AM EST
    Look (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:48:14 AM EST
    the facts are the facts. Obama needed a game changer and Biden didn't do it. I stuck my head in the sand in 2004 just like you are doing now. It's not pretty and I prefer to deal with reality.

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    Now that the boys (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42:05 AM EST
    have it figured out, what are you going to do with the money you save?  The money you will not have to contribute?  

    save the money (2.66 / 3) (#84)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:49:22 AM EST
    save the money you was never going to send OBAMAS way anyway no matter what   and lets get Hill out of DEBT maybe?

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    I maxed (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:53:46 AM EST
    hubby maxed..

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    new car, how about you. n/t (none / 0) (#66)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:45:06 AM EST
    Donate to (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:49:09 AM EST
    food banks and free clinics.  

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    If McCain asked HIllary Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:13 AM EST
    to be VP on his ticket, would she accept?

    I'd love it if McCain would ask her (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:53 AM EST
    That's a ticket I would vote for immediately.  

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    would she have accepted? (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by weltec2 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:14:48 AM EST
    That's a very good question and one that we will never know the answer to. I personally would like to think that she would not have. But that's me. HRC is a team player. So based on her past performance, I would have to admit... yes, she probably would have accepted.

    But also, based upon Obama's past moves, I would also say that I never believed that he would accept such a strong woman as a running mate. He will also not want her on his cabinet. Unlike Biden she is not one who can be twisted and turned with the wind; she would speak her mind. I don't think Obama would like that at all.

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    No (2.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:50:14 AM EST
    she too classy to go against the party she loves ...she is no ANAKIN

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    no, but a woman would be interesting (none / 0) (#88)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:50:15 AM EST
    I don't think McCain or the republican's in general have the guts. Dems certainly don't. But if he did, even a pro-life one, it would be a game changer.

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    Of course not. (none / 0) (#94)
    by shoephone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:52:09 AM EST
    Jonathan Martin @ Politico (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:52:01 AM EST
    is on the Yahoo! frontpage.  The story is reporting that McCain has picked Romney for his VP.

    Ann Coulter will be quite pleased about that...so will Hannity and O'Reilly.

    Looks like the conservatives are making their ship leak proof, while the SS Titanic, er, Obama-Biden ship sets sail.

    Biden is Bush lite (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by 1980Ford on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:52:03 AM EST
    The Left loves to surrender through compromise and just blew its best chance since JFK.

    cmon (none / 0) (#100)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:56:22 AM EST
    ok  what will BIDEN control that will make OBAMA make BUSH like policies?

    thats just silly

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    it's after 2 am in texas (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:09:25 AM EST
    & time to hit the sack.

    Sorry about Biden Jeralyn.  I hope that some of the other pro Obama blogs don't come after TL if you decide to move on your Biden deal-breaking stance.

    In the words of you know who, speaking for me only, I gotcher back!

    Good night and hope for the best for the republic.

    It's gonna be a LONG slog to Nov 4th.

    I think about this more than i should (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:36:10 AM EST
    Jeralyn appears to worry more about what obama supporters think about TL than she worries about what Clinton supporters think of TL.

    There was never any need to proclaim "we are not a PUMA site."  it was like Clinton having to proclaim "i'm not a racist."  i knew this wasn't a PUMA site.  i knew the site would support Obama.

    she should reject the astroturf tactics (the emails i'm sure she received threatening to make this site radioactive) and let people be.

    i know TL is what it is.  which is great most of the time.  but people have a right to be passionately angry with obama.  no one ever got banned on an obama blog for personally attacking clinton, so i think there is a built in systemic unfairness to blogging that impacts TL as much as anywhere else.

    we all must kiss markos's ring and call him friend.

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    Women for Obama Torchbearers (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:21 AM EST
    35 and under only need apply

    Ummm . . . .

    Cmon (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:35:37 AM EST
    You know you want to carry a torch for Barack...

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    I'm too old! (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:00:05 AM EST
    Nice way to get Hil's gals to back him. Invite the 35 and younger set, lol!~

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    It feels more and more (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:06:42 AM EST
    cultish sometimes. And often I wonder if they can figure out any more ways to disrespect older Democrats. It's all bout the new... And I'm only four years older than Obama.

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    almost 2 yrs older here (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:08:12 AM EST
    How old is MO?

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    If I remember right (none / 0) (#189)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:44:25 AM EST
    she's something like 3 years younger than him

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    Un-effing-believable!!!!! (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36:21 AM EST
    As a Woman for Obama Torchbearer, women will have the unique opportunity to participate in the election process at a grassroots level. Women leaders will be equipped with the skills, knowledge and resources to empower their communities and elect Senator Obama as president.

    We all know that the only place for young women to have the "opportunity to participate" and get equipped with the skills, knowledge and resources" is from the everlasting fountain of Barack.

    /can't even call it snark anymore......

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    I'm offering up (5.00 / 3) (#160)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:59:04 AM EST
    fingers for this.  

    Specifically, middle fingers...  ;-)

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    And it's all about Obama (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:06:51 AM EST
    Gawd forbid we just empower ourselves for our selves. Nope we get to empower ourselves for HIM!

    {gack}

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    omg! please tell me this is... (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by mary kate on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:51:48 AM EST
    ...satire.  

    Women for Obama Torchbearers?!

    Holy crap.  This sounds like some sort of turn-of-the-century (I mean, back when the 19th century turned into the early 20th, so: circa 1905) civic club (the Rosebud Brigade or whatever) where girls learned how to be good helpmeets but it was understood they were always destined for the ladies' auxiliary because women didn't yet have the vote and couldn't run for office in their own right...

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    the Rosebud Brigade (none / 0) (#178)
    by weltec2 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:42:36 AM EST
    What was this? You've lost me here. Do you have a reference?

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    no reference (none / 0) (#193)
    by mary kate on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:01:42 AM EST
    Sorry! I didn't mean to suggest I was referring to an actual organization.  I just made that name up, trying to evoke a certain type of girls' club of the past (which Women Torchbearers for Obama makes me think of, though I don't have the name of a specific club).

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    and also... (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by mary kate on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:32:27 AM EST
    If you google "women torchbearers" you'll come up with books about women's clubs and organizations (including women's Christian temperance unions) circa 1890-1920.  Those groups did play a role in paving the way for more political involvement, but...I mean, it's 2008, you know?  The "torchbearers" label is so retro, and not in a fun retro chic sort of way.

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    Ok (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by chrisvee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:23:17 AM EST
    This is absolutely the last straw.  Torchbearers?  Carrying a torch for Obama?  Under 35? (which is younger than the candidate himself?) How many sexists stereotypes can one program encompass?

    I've come over queasy.

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    On another thread (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:57 AM EST
    somebody made a comment about the likelihood of McCain doing an attack ad about the Obama/Biden dual plagiarist ticket.

    I hadn't thought Biden's plagiarism (from his 1988 POTUS run) would be of any relevance. But with Obama parroting lines from Deval Patrick's old speeches, the Biden story has got brand new legs.

    THEY CAN'T NOT KNOW THAT!

    and McCain (none / 0) (#153)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:43:37 AM EST
    and McCain will be unattackable if he picks  Ridge, Romney or Pawlenty

    Its an ill wind that only blows one way...

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    Dems are more vulnerable to attack... (none / 0) (#173)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:24:18 AM EST
    Dems have been playing defense for decades, especially since the start of the Regan/Bush administration; and with the help of corporatist media, they've been more effectively targeted with more frequency and ferocity.

    Plus, the Repubs just aren't held to the same standard as the Dems.

    Does anybody honestly think a Democratic administration could have gotten away with the high crimes and misdemeanors of the GW Bush administration? Could a Republican war hero get swift-boated in the manner of John Kerry?

    It doesn't matter what the Obama campaign says about McCain - it won't get traction in the MSM and the public domain.

    Today at Shakesville, Melissa said it doesn't matter whether McCain has seven houses; because accusing a Repub of being rich is like accusing a cat of having fur.

    That's campaign '08 in a nutshell.


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    No legs (none / 0) (#198)
    by flyerhawk on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:02:40 AM EST
    both accusations of plagiarism weren't actually plagiarism.   They aren't running or Academic in Chief.  No one is going to care.  

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    Nausea (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:01:35 AM EST
    If you think Biden's (accurate) statement about Barack Obama not being ready to be president is nauseating, what do you think about Biden's saying that he'd be honored to run with McCain?

    You can't make this stuff up.

    O'Barry's (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by sas on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:07:15 AM EST
    first big decision - and he takes the party back to the 60's.

    Hey ....an old white guy?.....Hey.....no woman around...except to make the coffee?

    Oh yeah change...

    and hope....

    What I hope is that the voters run their sorry rearends out of town....way out of town.

    if u boil it down (3.00 / 3) (#104)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:03:08 AM EST
    my opinion an Old white guy as the #2  will make older white dems feel a lil better inside pulling the lever for OBAMA.  as Crass as that maybe ...thats my take on part of the choice

    the flip side is the hill diehards wont be happy.

    But its like a dem trying to win texas...why waste resources trying to get people who will never vote for u   to vote for u...

    True Dems will vote obama anyway because the alternative is war and poverty  and china owning everything in america.

    myself i can care less who is VP...

    Give it a rest... (5.00 / 4) (#116)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:10:19 AM EST
    with your talk of "true Dems." What do you call the new voters that Obama supposedly has brought into the party? You know, the ones who never bothered voting before, or voted for Nader, or worse, voted for Bush. They support Obama say they're "true Dems," I guess. Or maybe Donna Brazile was on to something and we should just call them New Dems to differentiate them from the voters the party no longer needs.

    why waste resources trying to get people who will never vote for u   to vote for u...

    By any chance, do you work for the Obama campaign? Anyway, there was one very simple thing Obama could have done to win over many of the Hillary holdovers and to ensure unity. Instead he chose Biden.

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    well (1.33 / 3) (#122)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:15:34 AM EST
    well i guess that portion who want 4 more BUSH years... will go head and sit it out   or vote McCain

    we all make choices in life... good  bad and horrible.

    i for one am voting to keep my kids fron dying overseas in senseless wars

     you vote on what you believe in..

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    Senseless wars (5.00 / 6) (#181)
    by janarchy on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:49:44 AM EST
    you mean the ones that people like Joe Biden voted for and people like Obama and Nancy Pelosi keep financing? The Democrats on the whole did nothing to stop the 'senseless' wars.

    The next four years will suck no matter who is the President. And as much as I hate having to defend him, McCain is less like Dubya than Obama is.

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    lol, true dems... I think you mean new dems (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:13:02 AM EST
    remember, true dems were kicked out of the party. progressives need not apply. nope, sorry, that line doesn't really do it for me. but nice try.

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    Give me a freakin' break! (5.00 / 5) (#120)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:14:33 AM EST
    True Dems will vote obama anyway

    True Dems have been consistently been thrown under the bus by Obama and his crew. Trying to scare those of us who do not believe he can run this country is not going to work.

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    Hey! Did ya hear about (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:13:09 AM EST
    the big convention parties we're having this week? Most gatherings will be back in the tail pipe bar and grill, but be sure and check the schedule as a few are up front in the radiator lounge.

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    now that you mention (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:45:48 AM EST
    it, a number of get togethers are schedulec in the wheel room over at the exhaust table.

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    we all (1.50 / 4) (#123)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:17:58 AM EST
    we all have opinions.. i think OBAMA will be a great PREZ  .. u dont

    but guess what  we wont know till he actually gets the job.  

    so noone is right   noone is wrong..

    I am sure McCain will send u a thank you note when its all said and done...

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    I am not afraid (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:30:23 AM EST
    of John McCain. You must have missed that part of my comment.

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    McCain thanks you i am sure (1.00 / 1) (#140)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:28 AM EST
    The more people McCain can get to believe he isnt a saber rattler... the more pine boxes we can build with China Pine  and Japanese nails

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    Lather, rinse, repeat... (none / 0) (#150)
    by dskinner3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:40:51 AM EST
    lather, rinse, repeat...

    Don't you get tired of hearing yourself? Your false flags aren't changing anyones minds here. I've made my last reply to you.

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    you need to cool your jets. (none / 0) (#179)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:44:32 AM EST
    your kids (none / 0) (#134)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:29:41 AM EST
    your kids/grandkids  neices and nephews in KOREA and RUSSIA and IRAN fighing should scare you alot more than OBAMA

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    When China owns us (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:52:25 AM EST
    you don't think your kids will be expendable?  

    Obama's economic ideas aren't exactly going to keep China out.  

    McCain is the only one to call for the end of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.  Otherwise, it's a multi-trillion dollar taxpayer bailout.  

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    Of the choices (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:23:40 AM EST
    talked about, I agree Biden offered the most, except it's contradictory to Obama's Primary complaints towards Clinton. But I take offense at the "True Dems" comment. I've seen that one before. Those of us who still think lack of experience in a President is significant, "were never really Democrats to begin with". I have a bumper sticker that simply states my beliefs - "Peace is Patriotic, Dissent is Democratic". After 9/11, too many people didn't question Bush and I worry about a similar situation happening with the Press in the tank if Obama becomes President.

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    then theres McCain (none / 0) (#132)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:13 AM EST
    Either OBAMA will be president

    or McCain

    now you can say whatever you want about OBAMA.

    Some I can agree  some I dont.

    However i would take him 7 days a week and twice on sundays over McCain.

    and I think in NOV... most people will feel the same way,  i hope  

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    This isn't a caucus (5.00 / 3) (#144)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36:22 AM EST
    I can't be bullied. Didn't work for me Colorado, doesn't work now. As I have said, if some of us are supposed to vote Obama no matter what, for the good of the Party/Country, then the same should have been expected of Obama. Choosing Hillary had the best chance of uniting the Party and winning the Election. So, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm done...........not going to do the tit for tat thing with you

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    all i am sayin (none / 0) (#151)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:41:55 AM EST
    give the man these 70 days till election to show u

    watch the debates...

    dont shut ya mind down and call it a day

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    Obama (5.00 / 4) (#188)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:44:19 AM EST
    has had more than a year to convince me.  He failed.  What are you expecting to happen in the debates that will be stunningly different from what we've already seen - is he going to raise someone from the dead?  He is what he is.  He's not going to change in the next two months.

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    I'll take a cue from Obama's book.... (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by p lukasiak on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:51:00 AM EST
    ...there have already been enough debates.

    I already know that I won't vote for Obama, having watched well over a dozen debates already.  

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    OMG, the Chinese! (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by LatinoVoter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:32 AM EST
    They're so different with their chopsticks and those pixies on their Olympic teams.

    Everyone run.

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    no one has a problem with Chinese people (none / 0) (#192)
    by bigbay on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:50:42 AM EST
    the one-party, highly autocratic , and repressive Chinese government as a super power ? Not good. Criticism of a government is not the same as criticism of a culture.

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    Hunh? (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:27:31 AM EST
    "It will make older white dems feel a lil' better inside pulling the lever ". . . .?

    not this old white dem.

    what this hope change hope country needs is yet another old white male?

     

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    McCain Express on track 2 (2.00 / 1) (#31)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:28:22 AM EST
    well i guess the people here who are non stop consistant against obama.. here is another reason to skip November  or vote for another 4 more years of repub misery

    seriously... its a VP  who has no power and does nothing...

    its a V  P   people


    Which is why it doesn't make any (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:30:13 AM EST
    sense for Obama to have spurned Clinton as his VP pick.  It's just a VP, "people."

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    Jinx... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:31:02 AM EST
    Great minds

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    VP or SEC OF STATE (none / 0) (#45)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:37:35 AM EST
    which has more power?

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    Based on Cheney... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:47:38 AM EST
    ...I think that VP has a fill-in-the-blanks job deswcription now.  

    Sec. of State has enough official duties to look after that the job will deep anyone busy 60 hours a week unless they don't think that this country's worth doing hard work for.

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    Hm (none / 0) (#50)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:40:25 AM EST
    Generally speaking, the VP.

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    LOL, that's a good one (none / 0) (#52)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:41:21 AM EST
    I suppose that's going to be a new big orange meme. Don't worry Hillary supporters, he might throw her a bone and offer her some cabinet position.

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    Yeah...and the SCOTUS (none / 0) (#58)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:43:11 AM EST
    remember...!!  

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    I would like to see her (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by weltec2 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:32 AM EST
    as Attorney General... and hear the squeals as she has the Whitehouse neocons dragged from their wallows... watch them running screaming for the hills.  

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    I'm there. I totally believe them (snark) n/t (none / 0) (#74)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:47:44 AM EST
    So....why was Hillary not (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:30:35 AM EST
    qualified...LOL

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    it's judgement, it's the first presidential (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:30:57 AM EST
    decision. It's the best thing you have to measure the man by. Period.

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    VP choice: best way to measure the man (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:33:49 AM EST
    wow, my own comment just set everything in relief. And the picture is bad. Now I've gone and depressed myself even more.

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    tell that to al gore (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:38:19 AM EST
    can't i call people names?

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    Srsly... (none / 0) (#49)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:39:46 AM EST
    As a matter of fact (none / 0) (#51)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:40:43 AM EST
    I can hardly remember the name of the current VP...

    what was it...rhymes with something weird like Vader...

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    luke, I am your father (none / 0) (#61)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:43:36 AM EST
    you know, there's just too much in common with the teams dubya/vader and obama/biden. I think the rebellion has been crushed. Hillary was our only hope.

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    It's the Obama campaign (none / 0) (#71)
    by shoephone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:47:14 AM EST
    that worked so hard to build this thing into The VP Crescendo Moment of the 21st Century! And the crescendo turned out to be... pretty anti-climactic.

    Even the touring company performance of "The King and I" is more exciting than the announcement of Joe Biden, eight-term Senate ingenue.

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    I can imagine a Friday conversation... (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by EL seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:15:23 AM EST
    ... that went something like this:

    Obama: Joe, you're the guy.
    Biden: Really?  I'm honored.
    Obama: Together we'll lead a call for change in America as we confidently face the challenges of 21st Century.  
    Biden: Great!
    Obama: Welcome aboard.  We'll send out the text message right away.
    Biden: Text message?
    Obama: Yes.  That's how we're making the announcement.
    Biden: Ah.  It's like an e-mail??  
    Obama: ...
    Biden: People will see it on their computers???
    Obama: ... Oh-oh.
    Biden: Barack, I'm 65 years old.  Throw me a bone here, alright?
    Obama: .....Mmmmmmaybe we'd better call CNN, okay?
    Biden: Okay.  Text messages.  Hmmmmm.

    That's is the best explaination I can think of for why cable beat the text messages yesterday.

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    Oh c'mon (none / 0) (#157)
    by weltec2 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:49:41 AM EST
    we know what a text message is. Gimme a break.

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    Only 8 terms? (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Grace on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:27:09 AM EST
    Gee, I could have sworn it was more.  

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    so (2.00 / 1) (#101)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:57:28 AM EST
    so Kaine would have made u feel all tingly inside

    or maybe the smooth love of Bayh would have did it for u..

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    and a redux of Gertrude Bell (none / 0) (#98)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:55:23 AM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:56:27 AM EST
    He's not.

    I hope that's not a personal attack.

    Interesting, huh? Obama is still (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:07:27 AM EST
    miffed about Hillary Clinton's Commander in Chief comment.  Why isn't he miffed over Biden's statements?

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    If I were axlrod (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:10:24 AM EST
    I'd say it was because she was a woman.

    and then i'd hire a blogger to repeat it 20 million times.

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    Well, now they say it's brilliant (none / 0) (#10)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:09:11 AM EST
    that he chose someone who said something negative about him.

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    Whadda guy. (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:10:23 AM EST
    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#2)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:58:22 AM EST
    did you not point that out earlier?  

    Yes, I wrote a whole post about it (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:01:32 AM EST
    That's (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:15:33 AM EST
    a great post Jeralyn. You were on the money with that one. And yes, at the end of every ad that McCain puts out that talks about how unqualified Obama is there will be a line stating that even his VP candidate agrees.

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    It took them a while (none / 0) (#3)
    by dianem on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:00:08 AM EST
    I guess it took an hour or so for the cheering at the McCain campaign headquarters to die down.

    I went to redstate (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:04:38 AM EST
    and they cannot BELIEVE the "luck" they are having with Biden as the pick.

    I think that all reasoning has left the building with the DNC. It just seems like they are heck bent on losing when this should have been a stellar year for the Democrats.

    I am just...at a loss...none of this makes any sense.

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    Just pondering: are Teddy Kennedy (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:08:54 AM EST
    and Joe Biden close friends as well as sympatico colleagues?

    They've both (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:11:46 AM EST
    been senators for a LOOONG time from liberal northeastern states.  That's a connection I never made.

    I would never say ANYTHING negative about Senator Ted Kennedy.  Like the Clintons, the Kennedys have been relentless champions for causes & ideals to help all Americans.

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    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:36:05 AM EST
    This idea that Teddy is some sort of evil kingmaker in all this is just absurd.  He's simply never, never gotten into power politics within the party, partly because he has no talent for it, but mostly because of his single-minded focus on issues, which playing power politics would handicap.

    Teddy Kennedy is friends with most people in the Senate, but I don't believe Biden is among his best buds.  He's genuinely extremely close personally to Orrin Hatch, which I find utterly bizarre.

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    Well he did challenge a sitting Democratic Prez (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:44:19 AM EST
    He did think the torch (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:47:18 AM EST
    was his to pass on...!

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    No, Stellaaa (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:47 AM EST
    He thought he'd seen the closest thing he'd seen since his brothers were killed and went for it.  Caroline drank the Kool-aid, more's the pity, and there's absolutely no way he would have or could have gone against her or doubted what she thought was her insight.

    Please have just a tiny bit of empathy for what this man's emotions have been through in his lifetime.  Obviously, I think his support of Obama is a terrible mistake, but on a human level, it's really not very hard to understand why he deceived himself.

    In any case, it does not, cannot negate what he's done and stood for, very often alone, for all these years.

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    I wrote him a scathing letter after I saw him (none / 0) (#91)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:51:15 AM EST
    physically embrace W as he entered the chamber, just before giving his first state of the union address therefore, legitimizing him! I will never forgive him for that!

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    You should (none / 0) (#137)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:29 AM EST
    There has been NO ONE in U.S. politics who has fought harder for you and me.

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    Oh, that. (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:45:09 AM EST
    Albeit badly. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Landulph on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:48:49 AM EST
    Need I say more?

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    Really (none / 0) (#148)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:39 AM EST
    Is there a better example of his pure political lead-footedness than that.  He had to make a stab at it, but he learned his lesson.

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    Do you have even the vaguest (none / 0) (#139)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:32:35 AM EST
    idea of WHY he challenged him?

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    I disagree. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Esme on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:10:59 AM EST
    By picking Joe Biden, Obama is indicating he wants to run a campaign about foreign policy. But Americans aren't worried about foreign policy right now, they are worried about bread and butter issues. If McCain is smart and picks Mitt, he'll have a VP who was a successful CEO and basically made himself a gazillionaire. I remember when Mitt was running in the primaries he kept talking about how he turned three bankrupt companies into goldmines. And like it or not, people are going to think that makes him competent enough to be running the economy. Mitt will do a lot for McCain. And look at how much more balance that ticket will have: perceived FP and economic experience versus hope and change and foreign policy experience.

    I was living in MA when Romney ran against Ted (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:45:31 AM EST
    Kennedy. A whole bunch of factory workers made a commercial about Romney who had bought their company,  fired them  all, and then offered them back their jobs at a lower salary and no benefits - I would guess these people would be resurrected once again.....

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    Also (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by tlkextra on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:50:07 AM EST
    Romney has his own Church issues if Obama's are brought up again

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    Romney (none / 0) (#18)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:15:38 AM EST
    Will help McCain in Michigan.  Romney is a well-known name there.  Romney will also help in the Mountain west.

    Here's something else that, if, played right, will help get Latinos to support a McCain/Romney ticket:  Mitt Romney's father, George W. Romney, was born in Mexico.  Now, that may not mean much to some, but it's all about angles.

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    hmm does romney speak (none / 0) (#171)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:21:04 AM EST
    fluent spanish? that would be a plus in campaigning.

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    Clinton Baggage (none / 0) (#22)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:19:39 AM EST
    So, if I am a Clinton supporter am I officially baggage that has to get off the unity train?  

    (philosophical question)

    No ma'am (none / 0) (#24)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:22:33 AM EST
    You are officially checked through to the next station stop.

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    Style question (none / 0) (#26)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:25:05 AM EST
    choosing between being labeled baggage or a bitter knitter, what do you prefer?  

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    You must leave steve m the latitude (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:25:52 AM EST
    to include an "under the bus" reference.

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    Forgot...the bus (none / 0) (#30)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:28:17 AM EST
    I am helpless (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:33:26 AM EST
    before the awesome power of the mixed metaphor.  Is it a bus?  Is it a train?  Trains are pretty good for knitting, actually.

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    Remake of Plains, Trains (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:42:24 AM EST
    & Automobiles (perhaps as a musical)?

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    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:44:02 AM EST
    That was soooo funny!!

    Bitter knitter stuck on the MTA...

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    She may ride forever (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Steve M on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:45:19 AM EST
    'neath the streets of Denver,
    she's the voter who never returned...

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    Will she ever return? (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:45:56 AM EST
    that is the question (none / 0) (#75)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:47:57 AM EST
    think about poor charlie and he (none / 0) (#174)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:26:27 AM EST
    can't get off the mta. his wife comes down to the station and hands his a sack lunch everyday.

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    I like busunder myself :-) n/t (none / 0) (#29)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:27:44 AM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#41)
    by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:34:44 AM EST
    on one hand, I'm glad it isn't Bayh, whose hawkishness disturbs me - and the thing is, it's Iran he's going after.  As we need a conflict there like a hole in the head, I'm glad he won't be intimately involved with an Obama administration.  As far as I know, Biden isn't in the same place Bayh is on Iran.

    I think it is a little weird that Obama and Biden have similar out there electoral map ambitions, and a willingness to snuggle with credit card companies.  

    How will Biden stand up under Republican attack I wonder?  At least we know Hillary is able to deflect and mock with wry humor.

    Bayh would have been (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:50:57 AM EST
    much worse, IMHO.  Kaine even worse than that.  Ridiculous as I think the Biden choice is on some levels, at least there's some juice to to the man.

    Because of that, though, I think it's not going to be an easy fit.

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    Is Biden as VP really that bad? (none / 0) (#97)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:54:55 AM EST
    I mean i would have preferred Hillary...but i think she is more useful in the cabinet where she has some powers to do stuff.... she would be powefless as VP  and i am sure her and Obama have something worked out

    that said
    Biden > Bayh
    Biden > Kaine
    Biden > Selibus

    sheeshh

    Cabinet?!? (5.00 / 4) (#105)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:03:27 AM EST
    Do you honestly think Obama would deign to have Hillary in his cabinet? Have you been paying attention to the Obama campaign's actions? Like I said in another thread, think of the most insulting thing that can be done to Hillary and that's the path Obama and his crew are most likely to take. So no cabinet position for Hillary, assuming Obama wins (which I now could care less).

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    november will get here before you (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by hellothere on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:34:04 AM EST
    know it and then and then and then. life has a way of coming full circle. sorta like see you in september. we'll see you in november.

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    no i dont believe that at all (none / 0) (#107)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:04:49 AM EST
    Well then, (5.00 / 4) (#119)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:14:30 AM EST
    you haven't been paying attention.

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    Right (5.00 / 4) (#186)
    by Nadai on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:40:24 AM EST
    She should resign her Senate seat, where she has an independent base of power, and become what - Secretary of Fetching Coffee? - so the first time Obama gets in a jam and needs a new scapegoat, she can, once again, take the blame.  What a splendid idea.

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    CNN just broke out the text message (none / 0) (#118)
    by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:14:24 AM EST
    and yup, asked for a donation.

    Ah, the 3AM call. But, it seems they had to release it over the Obama site and the message hasn't been texted yet. lol!~

    Yep, I saw it at another site. (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:41 AM EST
    Unbelievable. ANOTHER slap in the face to Hillary. Are children running the Obama campaign? Or teenagers. I could see the comedy in it if the VP pick had been Hillary, but this is just more divisive bullcrap. I'll repeat what I've said numerous times tonight: think of the most insulting thing that can be done to Hillary and that's the path Obama and his crew are most likely to take.

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    I'm sad, depressed...and angry. (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by withoutparty on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:32:16 AM EST
    I really don't know what to say.  I am feeling really down after this announcement just broke.  I think I kept secretly hoping that he would pick Hillary.  I think I must have really wanted this to happen, otherwise I wouldn't be feeling so crappy right now.

    I like Joe Biden, but this is not about him.  It's that Hillary was just as qualified as anyone, if not more so.  It's that Obama kept saying she would be on anyone's short list.  It's that his campaign never even vetted her.  It's that Hillary got screwed one more time.  If there was ever a faint hope that I would vote for the democrats this year, it's gone. withoutparty.com


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    McCain thanks u withoutaparty (1.00 / 1) (#146)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:59 AM EST
    i wanted Hillary as VP too... but i wont let that letdown  allow me to let McCain take my country to the sewer

    with Obama in office i am sure Hillary will be more robust and powerful  and able to do good for all of us

    you have to take that view..... McCain wants your babies  overseas with guns in they hands.. and we all know it.

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    you should take that comedy on the road (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:44:03 AM EST
    it's pretty funny. one question though, how much kool-aid do you have to drink for this effect.

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    so (2.00 / 1) (#136)
    by MrPope on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:28 AM EST
    So Kaine, Bayh  Selibus   werent slapped in the face... only Hillary?

    explain to me how that works?

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    Um, what do they have to do (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:35:17 AM EST
    with the text message being sent at 3 AM?!? That is very specific to Hillary. I don't know what you're talking about.

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    Oh, in case you're wondering about the (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Firewalker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:03 AM EST
    other slap: How about the fact that we learned today that Hillary wasn't even vetted by the Obama campaign, despite Obama saying she'd by on anybody's short-list? Kaine, Bayh and Sebelius were all vetted and seriously considered. Hillary was not. I would consider that a slap in the face (one of many tonight, apparently).

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    In my opinion (none / 0) (#197)
    by flyerhawk on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:01:39 AM EST
    McCain highlights a big reason why Clinton was never seriously considered.

    Her attacks on Obama not being ready to lead and suggesting that McCain, on the other hand, was ready to lead would have made great political fodder for the McCain campaign.

    I'm not thrilled with the Biden pick but it is better than Bayh.