Hillary's Puerto Rico Victory Speech

Any moment.

Live-blogging: She's walking up amid hugs and cheers and Puerto Rican music.

Thank you so much, I have four words for you, Te Quiero Puerto Rico. I am grateful for this show of overwhelming support. I came to listen to your voices. I hear you, see you and will always stand up for you.

I recognize Sen. Obama and his supporters. We have turned out record numbers of new voters. We must elect a Democratic President. [More..]

I am overwhelmed by the vote today. I need your help. Go to HillaryClinton.com. We have two states left. This election is about your future.

You voted even though people said it wouldn't count. You voted for who you think will be the stronger candidate and you are not alone. You are joining those who have cast more than 17.6 million votes, plus today's votes.

I know people face tough times. I've been impressed by the resourcefulness and resilience of the people here and across the country.

I believe that the people of the US need a champion in the White House. Someone who will be in their corner and on their side.

You want to cut through the sound bites and speeches and get to real solutions.

More people have voted for us than any candidate in the history of presidential primaries. There is no doubt. We are winning the popular vote. The people have spoken.

We are winning the battleground states. She lists them all. Adds Michigan and Florida. You have spoken.

I hope by my second term, regardless of what you decide about the status option, you too will be able to vote for President.

When voting ends on Tuesday, neither Obama nor I will have the necessary delegate number. He will have a slight lead in pledged delegates, I lead in the popular vote. Then it is up to the superdelegates. Which candidate represents the will of the people who have voted in this historic election? Which candidate is best able to lead us to victory in November and is which is best able to lead the US as a nation in the face of challenges at home and abroad.

We are winning the popular vote because we have stood for the core principles of our party.

We are beating John McCain in the key states. We can get the 270 electoral votes to win in November. The voters know who is ready to lead on day 1, who has the experience and knowledge to be President.

Ultimately it's not about me or Obama, but you. It's about the directions we choose. We have to get this right. We cannot afford more of the same of the last four years.

Puerto Ricans made their voices heard today and I want to thank you. Names others.

I want to reiterate, together in my first term, we will enable the status question to be resolved. The people of Puerto Rico deserve the right to choose among the options. P.R. will be treated equally with health care, etc. I will be your champion. Thanks the labor unions.

It has been a joy to work with every union that has been here supporting me. A special word to the Hispanic community across the U.S: I am grateful you have stood by me throughout this campaign. Hispanic/Latino Americans contribute so much to the greatness of this country. To labor, academia, sports, etc. And to expanding the diversity of this country. I am so grateful for and proud of the support you have given me.

Thanks more supporters in P.R., her family and in supporters in S.D. and Montana.

We are compelled by this unique moment in history.

People deserve better from their government. I call on you to travel this final stretch with me. Let's keep fighting for our dreams and what we believe and for each other and America. Thank you and G-d bless.

Great, great speech. Go Hillary!

CNN says she is going to Washington on Wednesday to appeal to superdelegates.

CNN does popular vote total.

Scenario 1: Hillary ahead by almost few hundred thousand, including FL/MI, giving Obama uncommitted MI votes, not caucuses.

Scenario 2: With best caucus estimates, he leads by 50,000.

Scenario 3: Not giving Obama uncommitted MI votes, she wins by 200,000.

So, in 2 of the 3 scenarios, she's ahead in the popular vote.

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    Hope she says she's ahead in the popular vote (5.00 / 10) (#1)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:50:56 PM EST
    and then declares herself the winner!  

    That would be funny... (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:00:10 PM EST
    since that's what Obama's been doing for months now. ;-)

    She said she's ahead in the (5.00 / 8) (#32)
    by MMW on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:04:34 PM EST
    popular vote and that by her second term she hopes they'll be voting in the presidential elections.

    She rocks!


    She is so confident. (5.00 / 16) (#42)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:09:03 PM EST
    She really doesn't let the negativity get her down.

    I admire her so much for that. She is the only person who could possibly have survived the enormous pressure to quit - and to come out smelling like a rose after all the manure that's been thrown at her. :-)


    Doesn't she make you proud to be (5.00 / 11) (#58)
    by MMW on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:14:56 PM EST
    a woman? I don't support her because she's female, but I'm dahmed happy she is.

    I'm not a woman (5.00 / 9) (#86)
    by blogtopus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:23:24 PM EST
    but I completely agree. I'm not voting for her because she's a woman, but that she's probably the most qualified candidate in our nation's history, no kidding.

    That she's a woman just makes it all the sweeter.


    She is inspiration to all (5.00 / 4) (#182)
    by PennProgressive on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:23:37 PM EST
    not just to women. But may be because she is a woman, she has so much strength. I am not a woman. I voted for her and worked for because she is the most qualified candidate.I am now amazed by her courage and ability to work through all adversity.

    Yes, I went into my secret drawer, and .. (none / 0) (#114)
    by jerry on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:33:54 PM EST
    Looks good in preview, but oh jeez, I better hit back and hope there's no browser bug.

    She keeps making me cry...she is such a (5.00 / 6) (#65)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:17:20 PM EST
    fighter and has endured so much...I am sorry that people cannot see how much more qualified and electable Hillary is....

    They see it, they just won't admit it. It goes (5.00 / 7) (#75)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:20:12 PM EST
    against their desire to vanquish the Clintons once and for all.

    I still don't understand what the Dem Party (5.00 / 6) (#153)
    by bridget on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:02:17 PM EST
    has against the Clintons all of a sudden. AFAIK HC has been a success in the Senate. Besides, They should thank Bill Clinton every day for beating the Repubs and winning the WH for the Dems for 8 years.

    And if Al Gore has something against Hillary I really would like to know what that is. He and his wife should have come out and defended Hillary against the sexism and mysogyny in this campaign long ago. And he knows she had to fight a biased media. He lived thru that himself.

    Pres Carter was a huge disappointment, too.

    And I expected so much more from Tipper Gore.
    The only one who has the guts to stand up for Hillary and women overall seems to be Geraldine Ferraro.


    Rumor has it... (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by Y Knot on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:08:19 PM EST
    ... that the Gore's and Clinton's never really got along that well.  It didn't help that Al distanced himself from them in the 2000 election.

    Whatever the genesis, I'm not much surprised by his silence throughout this.


    Well, Al Gore got intimidated by the (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by bridget on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:32:13 PM EST
    "familie values" rightwingers and media and didn't know how to handle it. And he ended up doing it the wrong way.

    I watched them campaign together twice and they seemed to get along v. well. Tipper Gore defended Hillary publicly when she was being accused of all kinds of things. I remember one particular speech she gave during campaign 96. The two couples always looked great together. I do believe things changed around the time of the Impeachment trial.

    I didn't expect anything from them for the longest time, but I do now. His/her silence is wrong.

    btw. Al Gore still seems to think the Dem Party is important. I just received a letter urgently asking for support and $$$. The letter concentrated on the Senate. I wasn't impressed at all to say the least.


    They think they have found (5.00 / 5) (#195)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:29:05 PM EST
    a new ATM machine, so they're ready to throw out the old one.

    Clinton has the support of a lot of Dem office-holders and paty insiders. She doesn't have the people at the top, which may not be too surprising. She's more of a threat to them than Obama. IMO.


    Who exactly are the Dems at the top? (none / 0) (#208)
    by bridget on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:46:38 PM EST
    Are we talking about Dean then?

    A Lot of people do see it (5.00 / 8) (#142)
    by Lil on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:51:08 PM EST
    I turned on CNN to check vote totals while I'm hosting a party today. Everybody started saying they don't understand why she is not the leading candidate. Of course they all want me to explain why she's ahead in the popular vote and still losing in the delegate count. Many people said they wish she was the candidate because they don't think Obama will win in the fall. Believe me my extended family does not pay attention to politics like I do and they don't think Obama holds a candle to her.

    Democrats who want Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#218)
    by Prabhata on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:03:39 PM EST
    The reason those who support Hillary is that she is a great candidate.  Many, like me, don't support Obama because he is a lousy candidate with shady friends.  I've voted for every Democrat that was sent my way.  When I didn't like the candidate, I supported the Democrat because it was unthinkable to vote for a Republican.  The 2008 primaries have changed my view.  I will not vote for Obama because I don't like him.  Between Obama and McCain, I will vote Republican because I see McCain a better man who's served the country with distinction and has demonstrated more class than Obama.  I'd rather hear a speech or a press conference from McCain than from Obama for the next 4 years.  I don't want someone who was friend with Phleger or Wright for 20 years to occupy the WH or nominate any one to the Supreme Court.

    u-huh (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by makana44 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:22:21 PM EST
    She started out this campaign as the presumptive favorite, but not with a lot of what could be deemed passionate supporters.

    She ends it as the presumptive underdog, but with legions of passionate, devoted followers who discovered who she really was (just as did she herself), and they sure as heck like it.

    And if need be, they will remember and stick with her for another four years. Next time, if there needs to be a next time, she'll be the 'cult' figure, but with the cred to back it up. And they won't take that for granted, nor overlook the caucus organizing. Plus, the Hillarynetroots will be there to back her from the very start.

    But maybe, just maybe, we'll still get the chance to make it happen this November.


    Nah. (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by pie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:28:25 PM EST
    We can't wait another four years.

    We need her NOW.


    She has moved ahead of obama by 101,000 (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:11:04 PM EST

    And by more than a quarter of a million (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by Cream City on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:14:18 PM EST
    in the popular vote total, including Michigan -- with a wider margin to come as more PR votes come in.

    Where are (none / 0) (#101)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:28:42 PM EST
    you following this? I am looking for popular vote in PR and according to CNN that have counted 85% and she has sth loke
    219,000 and he 102,000. But if that is so then the turnout was just about 375000 ?

    Help anyone?


    Fox (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by waldenpond on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:49:42 PM EST
    Fox has the vote across the bottom.  CNN never puts the vote if Obama is behind.

    91% of the vote in:
    Clinton 238,682   68%
    Obama 110,574    32%


    She's up 130,000 votes right now... (none / 0) (#170)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:16:41 PM EST
    238,000 to 110,000....2 - 1 for Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#144)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:51:49 PM EST
    91% In: Hillary leads by 120,000+ votes (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by felizarte on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:51:16 PM EST
    Coming in to (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by americanincanada on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:52:02 PM EST
    Ricky Martin is a nice touch!!

    WOW it is amazing!! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:53:17 PM EST

    HRC: (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:54:41 PM EST
    said I have four words for you: Te Quiero Puerto Rico !!

    Heh (4.50 / 8) (#13)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:57:28 PM EST
    Just this morning, a friend was teaching my little daughter some Spanish, and I decided quiero would be the perfect word for her to learn.

    For those who don't know, quiero not only means "I love," it means "I want."  Yep, perfect.


    Not quite (1.50 / 2) (#129)
    by facta non verba on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:42:13 PM EST
    querer means both to love and to want or desire. When it is reflexive, it means to love.

    Te quiero. I love you.

    Quiero un helado. I want an ice cream.

    Amar is the other verb that means to love. But it is used more in familial relationships, husband to wife.

    Estimar is another verb that it used. To esteem.

    Te estimo.

    Sign up for cultural lessons because you fail to understand the Hispanic cultural context.


    Uh (5.00 / 6) (#171)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:16:58 PM EST
    Once my daughter turns 2 I might sign you up for your lessons, but you're gonna have to lose the snotty attitude.

    You don't have to be insulting (4.00 / 4) (#177)
    by themomcat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:21:19 PM EST
    and condescending to teach some one language and culture. The first part of your comment was educational. The last sentence was unnecessary.

    I will say this about Clinton... (5.00 / 10) (#4)
    by citizen53 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:53:34 PM EST
    she is much more genuine than her opponent.

    more alive and vibrant (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by bjorn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:54:05 PM EST
    than Obama

    I get the feeling... (5.00 / 13) (#14)
    by citizen53 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:57:32 PM EST
    that he is scripted more than her and not as personable.

    It's so strange that the media and Obama supporters paint her as such a different person than she really is.

    They did much the same with Gore.


    Exactly (5.00 / 13) (#19)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:59:47 PM EST
    She is much warmer than anyone in the media would have admitted.

    Don't know how she does it (5.00 / 9) (#37)
    by Valhalla on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:07:20 PM EST
    Since just commenting on TL is wiping me out, lol.

    Truly, I can't imagine where she gets her energy from.


    She has so much courage and poise! (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by felizarte on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:16:08 PM EST
    What she has been through; how she's been treated; maligned; would have been enough to make a grown man cry.  But she fights on.  Amazing human being!

    W. Obama (5.00 / 11) (#100)
    by Athena on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:28:15 PM EST
    Add to gaffe-file. On MSNBC.

    Obama just accused McCain of running for Bush's 4th term.

    Oh, that would be a 4th term running the 57 states.


    Well, that just tears it. I am not voting for (5.00 / 9) (#103)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:29:20 PM EST
    Obama's 2nd term in Nov.

    There were three Bush terms, remember? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Newt on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:50:28 PM EST
    How about 2 terms for Bush I (5.00 / 4) (#186)
    by tree on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:26:21 PM EST
    and three terms for Bush II? We all know that as far as Obama is concerned there was no Bill Clinton Presidency worth mentioning.

    Maybe 2 gov + 2 Pres = 4. Nope, it would be 5 (5.00 / 5) (#174)
    by ineedalife on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:28 PM EST
    That Obama just can't get anything right. Maybe that's why he has been declaring victory since January. Numeracy isn't his thing.
    But Arugula? He's all over that.

    And didn't she look great in light blue? (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by bridget on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:12:30 PM EST
    Considering all these months of stressful campaigning - she does not look tired at all. Her skin looks excellent and she seems in great physical condition. She is on the top of her game and that's why I believe her time is NOW. Not in four years, not in eight years.

    This is the time IMO. For Hillary. For America's women.


    Viva Puerto Rico!! (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:54:58 PM EST

    I think we should all thank them by (5.00 / 9) (#70)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:18:49 PM EST
    going out and buying a product made in Puerto Rico. I know of a Latino grocery down the road a bit that has some things from Puerto Rico that I can use in cooking, so I will go do that the next time I go to town. I will buy something that says "made or grown in Puerto Rico" as a thank you for their turn-out for Hillary.

    Big Boooooooooooooo's for Obama (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by TalkRight on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:54:58 PM EST
    crowd chants Hillary!!!

    And, in her gracious nature, she put out her hand (5.00 / 4) (#185)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:24:44 PM EST
    to stop the boo's.

    Her opponent pauses to make sure they get on record.


    She is being gracious. (none / 0) (#192)
    by Y Knot on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:28:26 PM EST
    I hope others out there start to take their cue from her.

    LOL (5.00 / 10) (#12)
    by JustJennifer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:57:28 PM EST
    The crowd is a little rowdy.  I think she looks great - relaxed and polished.  I am so proud of her.. she never looks defeated.  She's a fighter.

    She waited much too long... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by citizen53 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:00:26 PM EST
    to show her real side.

    And the media did not show that Obama and her are far from different in their policies.


    Obama's delivery hasn't changed since (5.00 / 15) (#33)
    by thereyougo on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:05:11 PM EST
    he's been campaigning, he's a very boring

    orator, really like listening to a drone, little to no emotion.

    He doesn't even appear smart,or warm just smart alecky.

    He reminds of GWB all the time.


    And then hemming and hawing ... (5.00 / 9) (#38)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:07:21 PM EST
    when answering direct questions.

    That gets really tedious.


    I give him much more credit... (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by citizen53 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:08:47 PM EST
    but notice the Madison Avenue aspect of his campaign, fueled by the media and a viral marketing just like Apple sells it products.

    So you're saying ... (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:09:31 PM EST
    he's an I-Pod?



    Not at all. An Ipod has substance... (5.00 / 8) (#50)
    by cosbo on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:12:34 PM EST
    meaning and can actually change your life...

    he's more like Bud Light. Great marketing. Doesn't taste too bad. Wears away quickly.


    don't forget (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:27:25 PM EST
    it makes you throw up if you have too much and you always regret your association with it the next day

    more harmless and plastic than a Bud Lite (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by dotcommodity on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:32:09 PM EST
    maybe a hellokitty?

    That crowd is not in the mood for unity. (5.00 / 13) (#31)
    by Joan in VA on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:04:02 PM EST
    They want to celebrate Hillary!

    I would bet (1.50 / 2) (#60)
    by riddlerandy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:15:37 PM EST
    that none of the folks in that crowd will vote for Obama in the GE.

    But people watching TV (5.00 / 11) (#71)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:18:52 PM EST
    get the right message when she shuts down the boos.  Classy.

    Aren't you paying attention at all? (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:26:56 PM EST
    PR can't vote in the GE.

    Neither will their relatives (4.90 / 10) (#74)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:19:18 PM EST
    in America. Almost 80% of them have family here.

    Oh well. They're just dumb Appalachians anyway. /s


    He's def gonna have to show up (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:00 PM EST
    for some PR Day Parade pandering here  ;) Actually, he should just camp out in NYC for awhile as he could pander to many demographics at our parades. Too bad St Pats and a few others have already happened, lol!~

    there isn't enough time (5.00 / 5) (#104)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:29:52 PM EST
    in the General Campaign for Barack to spend in each State and with each Demographic to make up for the anger people feel for him and the DNC right now.

    Ain't gonna happen.

    Besides, I anticipate him wanting to take a vacation should he get the Nomination because, you know, this Primary has really made him tired.

    Yeah, that's gonna work out real well.  While he's soaking up the sun, the republicans will be attacking him mercilessly.


    I would bet that none of them vote for Hillary... (1.50 / 2) (#77)
    by Addison on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:20:24 PM EST
    ...in the GE either.

    bingo (3.00 / 2) (#79)
    by riddlerandy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:21:35 PM EST
    I'm not even going to justify (5.00 / 5) (#94)
    by zfran on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:25:17 PM EST
    what you both said with an explanation. Maybe Obama's web site can tell you about P.R.

    All right!!!! (none / 0) (#194)
    by Melchizedek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:28:56 PM EST
    I hope they all vote for McCain!! Yay!

    Puerto Rico doesn't get to vote in the GE, (none / 0) (#216)
    by derridog on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:57:56 PM EST

    It sounds a little weird (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:59:59 PM EST
    for her to be talking about winning the battleground states, considering where she is.  But you gotta take your TV time where you can get it!

    Admits that she will be behind (5.00 / 6) (#24)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:00:59 PM EST
    in delegates. Puts the question to the SDs.

    This should be interesting. . .

    What is she asking? (none / 0) (#29)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:03:34 PM EST
    Hubby is listening to a record - teevee not on. ;-)

    she's read all your posts (5.00 / 13) (#45)
    by MMW on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:11:03 PM EST
    and has decided to go with your talking points. No kidding: popular vote, polls showing she's the better candidate, winning swing states including MI and FL, neither will have the delegates needed come Tuesday, thank you, I'll fight with you, who best represents the will of those who voted. I will always fight for you because America is worth fighting for.

    She's staying in, so the media and DNC better stfu.

    I added the last phrase, but wish she had said it.


    LOL! (5.00 / 8) (#52)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:13:20 PM EST
    I am sitting here giggling. Thank you! :-)

    Seriously - I'm so proud of her fighting spirit. I'm so glad that she is willing to go to the mat for the principles that we Democrats hold dear.

    I truly believe that she could be the next FDR if we just give her the chance. Viva Hillary!


    Doesn't it make you sad (5.00 / 16) (#115)
    by pie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:35:58 PM EST
    that the lefty blogs have been literally begging for a fighting dem.  Now that we have one, the boyz have backed Obama, who runs, hides, and throws people under the bus?

    It's revolting.


    Yep... (5.00 / 8) (#137)
    by citizen53 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:49:24 PM EST
    so many ran from their principles long ago.

    What's as sad is that so many participants talk about hope and unity, then treat people just the opposite.


    Yes indeed, pie. (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
    One in particular makes me very, very sad.

    Unfortunately, the current Roosevelt (none / 0) (#120)
    by zfran on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:37:56 PM EST
    who chaired the committee yesterday supports Obama. Maybe his bloodline got compromised.

    Naw, (5.00 / 3) (#184)
    by samanthasmom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:24:43 PM EST
    he's the CEO of Tufts Health Plan.  He's against Hillary's UHC.

    very good questions (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by bjorn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:01:06 PM EST
    for SDs

    Which candidate? (5.00 / 7) (#27)
    by TalkRight on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:02:13 PM EST
    represents the will of the people?
    can best win in Nov?
    can best achieve the challenges facing us?


    Like the Phoenix she will rise from the ashes (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by thereyougo on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:06:55 PM EST
    Rise Hillary Rise!



    Talking "core principles" (5.00 / 13) (#28)
    by americanincanada on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:03:10 PM EST
    The pundits on CNN who believe that she will never take this to the Credentials Committee or the convention are very wrong.

    "The party who counts every vote!"

    Go get em' Hillary!!

    A PArty that Counts Every Vote (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by feet on earth on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:03:35 PM EST
    VShe sais it, she SAID IT!! IVA HILLARY

    She looks great for someone who has put in (5.00 / 7) (#34)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:06:02 PM EST
    crushing hours.

    Just got back from following her request to go to hillaryclinton.com.  Small donation, but it felt great.

    Has anyone voted for the next Hillary t-shirt design? I like all the graphics, but kinda think the pantsuit is cool.

    I voted for the pantsuit. It's funny! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Joan in VA on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:13:24 PM EST
    Her sense of humor about herself (5.00 / 10) (#66)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:17:53 PM EST
    is also very grownup and refreshing.

    It's something that only comes with a strong sense of security about oneself.

    I just keep thinking about how awful the past 7.5 years have been, and I think a lot of it has been because the brain-damaged Chimp is so darn insecure and is in constant competition to prove he is better than everyone around him.

    Wouldn't it be nice to have a real adult in the White House after this nightmare we've been through?


    Obama seems very insecure and immature (5.00 / 5) (#102)
    by Josey on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:28:43 PM EST
    evidenced by his "brushing Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe.

    Isn't Hillary a grown-up!!!!! Love her!!! (5.00 / 9) (#35)
    by zfran on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:06:53 PM EST

    blue is very complimentary to her also. (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by hellothere on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:08:31 PM EST

    Who's the first guy , really good looking, who (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:10:01 PM EST
    came toward the podium when she asked people to come forward?

    he could be Antonio Banderas' (none / 0) (#48)
    by bjorn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:11:54 PM EST
    brother, very good looking, no clue who he is though.

    She makes me feel (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:12:58 PM EST
    so proud to be an American !!

    This is GREAT!!!

    I never dreamed I would like her this much. (5.00 / 12) (#54)
    by Teresa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:13:52 PM EST
    She truly won me over as a fan for life. I wish we could start all over because there is no doubt in my mind who would be the better President. To see her treated so badly just breaks my heart.

    Me too (5.00 / 6) (#78)
    by Valhalla on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:21:25 PM EST
    It's really disheartening, after voting for losers for so long (except for ... who was that?  Bill Clinton you say?) to watch the candidate who could clean McCain's clock in November having to make a case for herself for the nomination.

    Oh, I so agree. I only came to her when I really (5.00 / 13) (#82)
    by jawbone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:22:01 PM EST
    did the digging, my due diligence. And there was no question she was the one remaining candidate who could do it all.

    Healthcare. We must have universal (real universal, not partial) coverage. Our small businesses and large businesses need it to be competitive.  Our people desperately need it.

    She has improved her speaking style tremendously, she's better than Obama extemporaneously, and, she could be actually easier to listen to over the years than he.

    But the darn numbers. He needs so few SDs.  

    Hang in there, Hillary. Rise.

    As of now, I'd rather, if she's not president, she be in the Senate so she can work to force Obama, should he be president, to the left progressive side. And if it's McCain, so that she can keep the Dems from folding over SCOTUS nominees.


    I am going to miss her.... (5.00 / 13) (#63)
    by kempis on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:16:54 PM EST

    At the beginning of this, I was in the "don't-run-Hillary!" camp. She has totally won me over with her knowledge, her poise, her humor, and I think her sincere commitment to attempting to make America a better place.

    kempis - so was I! (5.00 / 6) (#87)
    by madamab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:23:46 PM EST
    I seriously did not think she had a chance in heck. Plus, I wasn't that big a fan. I really thought she was more of a centrist than she is, although I liked her as my Senator.

    Wow, was I wrong. Thank goodness she ran. Whatever happens, she has made a lot of progress for American women.


    I agree, Kempis (5.00 / 8) (#93)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:53 PM EST
    Before the primary season, I thought, "why does she think she should be president?" "Why is she even running, she'll be trounced."  I even wondered if I could support her in the GE.

    My goodness, did I do an about-face. At one time, I thought Obama might just be this epoch's JFK.

    I learned a lot between JAnuary and now.

    I'm not hopeful, but I can continue to support Hillary in good conscience.


    and me too (5.00 / 5) (#117)
    by dotcommodity on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:36:38 PM EST
    now I think she would make the best president since FDR.

    Last year she was just another Senator to me.


    Take it to Denver, also, I say. (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:40:25 PM EST
    There's no concession in fighting for what is right. Losing isn't shameful, but quitting sends the wrong message.

    Neither candidate will have the pledged delegates before Denver. Superdelegates can and do change their minds. Florida and Michigan...need I say more?


    Me Too (5.00 / 4) (#211)
    by befuddledvoter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:51:34 PM EST
    I started out as an Edwards supporter.  I cannot believe that now!!  What was I thinking?  Then I heard Hillary in the debates!  Hands down, she left those "big boys" in the dust.  No one had the mastery of the issues like Hillary.  It was not even close!! She is by far the most competent person running.  It just amazes me that she is still standing and she looked wonderful today.  Man oh man, or woman oh woman, how does she do it??  

    I'm a NYC resident (5.00 / 4) (#151)
    by themomcat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:01:11 PM EST
    white, female, professional and in that upper income demographic. Although I had supported HRC in her senatorial run, I was very skeptical about her ability to seek and win the presidential election. Much of this had to do with her record on Iraq and her high negatives in the electorate outside NY. NY loves her. I was wrong and clearly underestimated her ability to win over a demographic I thought that the Democratic Party had lost forever, Regan Democrats. Regan Democrats are the middle working class and are ethnically diverse. They are young and old, men and woman, college educated and high school drop outs. She has won that demographic, Obama has alienated them.
    I can not in good conscience vote for either McCain or Obama. They are both bad choices and it is impossible to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. As I have said in a post yesterday after the RBC vote, I have resigned from the Democratic Party and have changed my registration to Independent. I will vote for those candidates who reflect my interests and concerns. If I can, I will write in HRC should she not win the nomination.

    You can write her in. I checked :) (5.00 / 4) (#166)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:12:48 PM EST
    You need to let the poll worker know so they can set the machine. It may be possible by paper ballot also. I need to dbl check, but I think we have the same law as MI. It won't count unless the candidate has filed paperwork. I don't think it reverts to the dem party nominee, in any case. Welcome to independent voting!

    She won PR by one point more than her reelection here  :)


    I usually vote absentee (none / 0) (#189)
    by themomcat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:27:05 PM EST
    because we have a home in Paris and we are out of the US for a good part of the year. I voted on line in the primary, we get to do that because we have a permanent residence. I'm not certain I can do a write in on line but I will check with the website. If I can't I'll go back to the paper, snail mail ballot.

    Is Puerto Rica now considered Appalachia? (5.00 / 7) (#72)
    by kempis on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:18:58 PM EST
    After all, looks like Hillary is going to win by a West Virginia/Kentucky-size margin.

    Massachusetts is Appalachia also now (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by befuddledvoter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:54:03 PM EST

    Wow all I can say is WOW I love Hillary!!! (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by athyrio on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:19:01 PM EST

    3 scenarios (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:20:23 PM EST
    and Hillary gets two on CNN.

    Donna gonna (5.00 / 6) (#80)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:21:53 PM EST
    bust capillary>>>

    CNN needs to switch two of their pop vote (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Teresa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:22:00 PM EST
    arguments. Throw out the one with no caucus votes and add one giving Obama not all of the uncommitted in MI, but just his estimated share. You can't give him all of them no matter what. Plus you can't ignore caucus states.

    Viva Hillary Clinton (5.00 / 6) (#85)
    by Larry Bailey on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:22:43 PM EST
    Time to call BS on the "Obama movement" and send this thing on to Denver.

    BBC (5.00 / 5) (#95)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:25:47 PM EST
    I was listening to the BBC.
    They reported Clinton's victory as "symbolic".

    I have heard them report the entire contest from the point of view of the Obama campaign.

    I wonder who writes their copy.

    The tentacles of those around and behind Obama are everywhere.

    There is something sinister afoot.
    I don't like it, and there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.

    There is something you can do about it (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:26:52 PM EST
    You have the power.

    I don't think so. (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by lentinel on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:33:52 PM EST
    Frankly, I don't think I have any more power over this than I have had power to end the war in Iraq.

    We all have a vote (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:37:29 PM EST
    Doesn't seem like much in and of itself, I know.

    unless you're in MI or FL, or unless (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by DandyTIger on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:50:30 PM EST
    you're a member of the Democratic party. But other than that...

    You have some power... (none / 0) (#169)
    by Y Knot on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:14:55 PM EST
    to get the troops out of Iraq come this fall.  

    Vote Democrat.


    This is close enough to be called a tie... (5.00 / 4) (#99)
    by Sunshine on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:27:35 PM EST
    This should go to the convention, I know that is not what MSM is in favor of but who are they....Reagan went to the convention, Ted Kennedy went to the convention and there were others, why is it being spun as such a bad thing for Clinton to go to the convention...   LET'S GO TO DENVER!

    How did that 1980 election turn out? (none / 0) (#105)
    by riddlerandy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:30:04 PM EST
    Ask Obama supporter TK. (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:31:17 PM EST
    Probably about the same (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:38:23 PM EST
    Considering the state of the country under Carter's leadership.

    Totally different scenario (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    There literally isn't a single point of comparison between 1980 and today.  Try harder, sweetie.

    Not very well (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:21:11 PM EST
    Turns out the convention challenge was defeated and we nominated a bad candidate, as it happens.

    1928 went to the convention.... (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by ineedalife on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:29:49 PM EST
    and it took four ballots to settle it. Democrats won seven of the next nine  presidential elections.  Convention battles can be very healthy.

    I'm curious what the rationale for (none / 0) (#106)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:30:51 PM EST
    choosing the nominee will be, if it goes to convention. Do you think that with the stakes higher, and delegates casting votes of actual consequence, Hillary will have a better chance?

    The rationale would be... (none / 0) (#172)
    by Y Knot on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:17:20 PM EST
    ... to win over enough SD's between now and then, THEN have the  MI decision overturned (her people agreed with the FL one) so that the change in delegates would give her a victory.  



    Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:31:59 PM EST
    "So, in 2 of the 3 scenarios, she's ahead in the popular vote."

    You mean scenarios 1 and 3 I think.

    Also:  what is the argument to give him all uncommitted versus say BTD argument of giving him 75% ?

    (either one is just not right imo but would like to know)


    that is 2 of 3 (5.00 / 4) (#123)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:39:30 PM EST
    1 and 3 = 2 out of 3.

    He should get 0 votes in the popular vote total in MI. I've explained why a million times.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#138)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:49:39 PM EST
    read incorrectly as scenarios 2 and 3 -- got it.



    What it means is that there are a lot more (5.00 / 6) (#111)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:33:10 PM EST
    bitter white people in PR that I would have thought.

    I am glad she spoke about Puerto Rico (5.00 / 8) (#112)
    by jfung79 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:33:22 PM EST
    She talked about Puerto Rico being able to vote in the general in presidential elections by her second term, equity in Medicare payments for Puerto Rico -- she will continue to fight for PR even if she is not President.  

    Just as with universal healthcare, and with fighting for the people who "don't make the headlines", she cares about what she talks about.  It's not just to get votes, because Puerto Rico is done voting.    

    Fox guy just called it (5.00 / 5) (#127)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:40:21 PM EST
    "barely making it cause of what he did in the caucuses"  "wheezing to the end" and finally, "he should be winning the way McCain was winning at the end against Huckabee".  

    Mmmmm... (none / 0) (#180)
    by Y Knot on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:23:20 PM EST
    I get the "caucuses" argument, but comparing Clinton to Huckabee?  That's just absurd.

    Huckabee's campaign was a joke.  He got a brief surge back in January because the religious right was terrified of McCain getting the nomination.  He never had a shot, whereas Clinton was the favorite going int  I think it's dishonest and frankly a bit insulting, to compare Clinton's campaign to his.

    And anyway... Fox news?  We're really taking them seriously now?


    I see their point, given the rhetoric (5.00 / 2) (#205)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:38:54 PM EST
    that comes out of the Obama camp about Clinton's campaign. They have been calling for her to drop out for months. If she were as weak as they claim, she would have done so already. She isn't, so she didn't. And according to the Obama camp, her campaign has been on its last legs for weeks. So the comparison to Huckabee's campaign is relevant, since the perception the Obama campaign has been pushing makes it seem as though her campaign is as weak as Huckabee's was. They just can't admit she is blowing them out of the water. Heh.

    SD's should choose Hillary for economic reasons (5.00 / 11) (#130)
    by DandyTIger on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:43:14 PM EST
    because as we've seen, it takes Obama 2 to 5 times as much money as HIllary to loose to Hillary. So SD's should pick Hillary as the nomination just because it will cost less to win against McCain. It's the economy stupid.

    ROFL (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:33:21 PM EST
    Thanks for that great laugh!!

    You make wading through the arguments worth it.


    bop the froggy on the head (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:47:12 PM EST
    game Roland Martin will be the froggy.

    We love you Hil! (5.00 / 5) (#146)
    by GregNYC on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:52:26 PM EST
    She looked great!  

    What energy and what a great lady.

    Some of the blogs are complaining because ehere were a few boos as if Obama's supporters are the classiest and would never do that.

    I guess they better look over some old tape - I remember loud boos when Edward's endorsed Obama and mentioned Hillary.

    Anyway, Hil you rock!

    proud (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by londonamerican on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:54:20 PM EST
    i am so proud of hillary!

    she is the FIRST and only political leader in my lifetime who has consistently taken on all the media and sleazy political operatives arrayed against her and continued to fight on for what is right.

    she doesn't take the easy path and capitulate - she just stays in the fight and keeps on winning race after race, even as the democratic party leadership try to push her out so the can crown obama against the express wishes of the voters.

    she is inspiring. GO HILLARY!

    A fighting Dem with a heart like a whale (5.00 / 5) (#167)
    by RonK Seattle on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:13:08 PM EST
    Q: How does Obama perform under adverse conditions?

    A: Nobody knows.

    We do know, sadly (5.00 / 3) (#214)
    by Valhalla on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:54:26 PM EST
    Agree we don't know about facing adversity, because he hasn't, but we know how he handles (mild) criticism and non-adulatory questions.

    Back in Feb when a few reporters brought up Rezko, he had a snit and walked off.  When Wright came up, he blew it off in the hopes (I guess) it would die down and then tried to smooth it over with a speech.  Sensing the backlash over RFKgate, he made a weak statement that he was sure that wasn't what Clinton meant.  When the misogyny backlash started, he told the Republicans to stop being mean to his wife.  When backed into a corner on his Senate votes, he blamed his staff for not making sure he pushed the right button.


    I'm not here because I think it's my turn (5.00 / 7) (#175)
    by DandyTIger on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:39 PM EST
    is what Obama started his speech today with. Anyone notice that line. Sounds like he does indeed share the view with that priest who talked at Trinity the other day. Clearly unity is not something he's trying to do; he's clearly still running against Clinton, and desperately so.

    what ever happened to the (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:26:27 PM EST
    "urgency of now"? And this is the only time he can run because in a few years he won't be the same. and . . .

    I think he's a punk (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:29:10 PM EST
    Who do you think is running because it's their turn, you idiot?

    It's MY OPINION he is what he is.


    What was really grotesque was the video of (5.00 / 3) (#197)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:29:44 PM EST
    obama t's, stickers, buttons, etc. being sold in front of Trinity Church today.

    Today is no different than any day over at Kos (5.00 / 4) (#178)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:22:14 PM EST

    Boos for Obama (2.66 / 3) (#9)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:55:02 PM EST
    I'm not sure the crowd is striking exactly the right note. . .

    she shut down the boo very fast (5.00 / 13) (#10)
    by bjorn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:55:50 PM EST
    Yes (5.00 / 16) (#16)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:58:08 PM EST
    Classy move.  The kind of thing that builds unity rather than harming it.

    Yes she is a lady (5.00 / 18) (#17)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:59:40 PM EST
    unlike Obama that just laughs in a complicit way and thus encourages the crowd to be rude with HRC.

    Speaking of ladies (5.00 / 9) (#39)
    by Steve M on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:08:19 PM EST
    There was a funny moment on CNN's coverage when they were all, Donna Brazile included, talking about what a hard worker Hillary is.  Toobin started talking about how she does so many more events than Obama does, when Brazile interrupted to say, "You're not surprised that a woman works harder than a man, are you?"  Hee hee.

    Between that and the Puerto Rico commercials (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by andgarden on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:11:11 PM EST
    CNN was almost watchable this afternoon.

    yeah well (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by djcny on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:40:05 PM EST
    they were all getting me a little nauseous with their sucking up to Hillary now because they're "so sure" that she won't be the nominee...the hypocrisy disgusts me. Tim Russert was laughing when he said how many delegates she had as compared to BO.

    Unbelievable, huh. (5.00 / 9) (#49)
    by masslib on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:12:30 PM EST
    Like, yeah, let's not nominate the hard working woman.  Opportunity missed.

    Gotta give DB props for that (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:17:16 PM EST
    Now maybe she'll clue in Rev. Wright  ;)

    Good for Donna! (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:53 PM EST
    I don't forgive her for all the other stupid stuff she's said lately, but good for her.

    Now, Donna...please connect the dots.


    Who? Donna the Ruler Amazon from Brazil? (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by feet on earth on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:55:53 PM EST
    never, she likes her Ruler of the Roolz Title.

    exactly--I thought the same thing (5.00 / 10) (#55)
    by kempis on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:14:08 PM EST
    Hillary held out her hands and talked through the boos to continue her unity pitch. Classy and grown-up move, unlike Obama who tends to bask in boos for his opponent, like a high school jock.

    he does get all smiley and glowy (5.00 / 8) (#59)
    by bjorn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:15:26 PM EST
    when his fans boo

    Watch his eyes. Sometimes they look (4.66 / 3) (#69)
    by zfran on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:18:42 PM EST
    wierd. Might be nothing, just something I've noticed.

    Not so (1.00 / 1) (#209)
    by Maggie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:47:14 PM EST
    At the Edwards announcement, the crowd did boo when Hillary was mentioned, and Obama worked hard to get them to stop it.

    And I appreciate that Clinton did the same here.  That's the sort of tone we need from both of them.


    She sure did stop the boos fast (5.00 / 20) (#18)
    by Cream City on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:59:41 PM EST
    and that's different from what I've seen the other candidate do, looking like he can't do a thing about it as the clock ticks and ticks. . . .

    They are learning from Obama's campaign. (5.00 / 9) (#11)
    by Teresa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:55:51 PM EST
    He deserved it. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by TalkRight on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:57:40 PM EST
    Someone's being (none / 0) (#90)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:35 PM EST
    A Debbie Downer.

    I say Hilary will suspend her campaign (2.33 / 3) (#56)
    by Saul on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:14:09 PM EST
    like Edwards did.  What say you?

    I say go over to the big orange. (5.00 / 12) (#67)
    by Angel on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:17:56 PM EST
    What she does or doesn't do (4.50 / 2) (#84)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:22:39 PM EST
    Won't make a difference as far as Obama is concerned.

    Heh, it would be funny if he had to (5.00 / 6) (#97)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:27:14 PM EST
    change the tone of his "Victory Party". Again.



    I say she takes vacation. (4.20 / 5) (#62)
    by samanthasmom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:16:45 PM EST
    She won't suspend or step out (5.00 / 10) (#68)
    by americanincanada on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:18:28 PM EST
    I think she is taking this to Denver and hanging out for whatever scandal might rock his campaign between now and then.

    She has a very good argument for the Credentials committe and she knows it. She can take a vacation and then come back and pivot to the ge herself.

    No need to suspend.


    If she suspends she keeps control of her delegates (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Saul on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:22:18 PM EST
    until further developments. You wait to see if there is a major gafe with Obama.  You do all the way to the convention.  If you concede then you must automatically turn over all your  delegates to Obama

    She does not have to concede or suspend (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by americanincanada on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:04:03 PM EST
    if she chooses not to. She can go on vacation.

    She won't suspend (none / 0) (#207)
    by ineedalife on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:44:07 PM EST
    Edward's so-called "pledged" delegates started to bolt after he suspended.

    She should just go on a much-deserved vacation. Hasn't Obama gone on two vacations already this year? Then come back and do fund-raisers for herself and down-ticket candidates that have endorsed her. Put out the word that any elected SD that would like to have Chelsea or Bill or even herself at a fundraiser call Maggie Williams and get on board. Obama shamelessly buys SDs, Hillary should spend the summer doing just that.

    Then for yucks, she can show up at the Senate and introduce a slate of bills that Obama will have to either follow her on or look foolish coming up bizarre reasons why he won't vote for them. Maybe re-visit that gas tax holiday when gas hits $5.00/gallon.


    What does it mean to suspend a campaign? (none / 0) (#89)
    by Valhalla on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:10 PM EST
    I know people said Edwards did it, but what does that mean in real terms?  She doesn't give speeches?  Doesn't make arguments to SDs?  Stops trying to raise money?

    I'm just confused, is it an official status with the DNC?


    You sort are buying time (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Saul on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:39:27 PM EST
    while the situation changes in your favor and yes she can still woo SD even if they have already chose Obama.  It not official over until the convention officially goes through the voting process and selects the nominee.  If you don't suspend and give in then all your delegates go over to Obama because you are quitting.

    Read the comment above (none / 0) (#116)
    by Saul on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:36:14 PM EST
    Yes it is an official exercise. comment

    According to a commenter (none / 0) (#118)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:36:55 PM EST
    at Noquarter, watch Cavuto on Fox tomorrow.

    Plenty of Hispanic Americans in Oregon (2.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Newt on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:44:11 PM EST
    support Obama.  At some point even the white, male middle class vote that everyone keeps saying will go to McCain is going to wake up and realize the impact of McSame on their wallets, their kids and their American way of life.

    Do we want to pass up the chance in a lifetime to finally clean house in Congress?  That's what Obama brings to the table.  Even if he loses the presidency, and I don't think he will, almost EVERY OTHER Democrat on the ticket WINS because the millions of  new and reengaged voters motivated by Obama can be checking Democrat, Democrat, Democrat everywhere on their ballot.  

    That may be what's on the minds of Dem party leadership.  The Yes We Can coattail effect.

    Coattails? (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:52:24 PM EST
    That's a problem when dems have to run ads distancing themselves from Obama.

    Just sayin'.


    Clean house in Congress? (5.00 / 3) (#199)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:31:19 PM EST
    What is he going to do, fire the ones that don't agree with him?? Cut off their funding from all the people he now gets his from?? And spare me the small donor claim. Most of Obama's money comes from rich donors and corporations. Do you know that he left the Ohio campaign go to New York, for a closed door fundraiser sponsored by Credit Suisse, one of the overseas sub-prime lenders ?? And that he may not take money directly from lobbyists, but he takes it from the employees of the industries they represent, usually bundled, and he also has his own PAC that hands out funds to his supporters in politics. And you should read some of the the things that are starting to come out of Chicago about him. Makes you wonder if he even thought it through before deciding to run for President. Either that or he is so egotistical that he thought his vastly over-rated charm would overcome the sleaze. It won't.

    Yes We Can (4.75 / 4) (#135)
    by tree on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:47:29 PM EST
    will be a sad joke after November,imho.

    absurd (1.40 / 5) (#168)
    by mindfulmission on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:14:52 PM EST
    giving Obama uncommitted MI votes, not caucuses.

    Not counting caucus results is simply absurd.  It makes absolutely no sense.

    I love how the Hillary camp wants to talk about the popular vote, and how we must count Florida and Michigan, yet would love to be able to leave out 4 caucus states in the count.

    So much for counting all of the votes.

    Oh, drop the faux outrage (5.00 / 4) (#183)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:24:01 PM EST
    J was just reporting three of the CNN counts. The caucus results for those four states haven't been released, that's why they are left out in some calculations, thought they are estimated in others.

    Because I am a Democrat, I am interested in counting all the votes actually cast for each candidate. How about you?


    sure... (none / 0) (#193)
    by mindfulmission on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:28:29 PM EST
    ... which is why it is completely absurd to even talk about not counting the four caucus states, don't you think?

    Not completely absurd -- but (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by Democratic Cat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:37:16 PM EST
    then again, I like math.  

    So here's the thing: we don't know what the vote was in those four states. Suppose we know all the other states with certainty. Then it makes sense to show two sets of numbers, one without those four states and one with your best estimate. You can then see what the difference is between C and O without the four states, and make a judgment about how much uncertainty you are willing to stomach in making your judgment about who actually has the lead.

    I don't honestly think most people here believe caucus votes shouldn't count, even if the process is terribly undemocratic.


    Then it absurd (5.00 / 2) (#203)
    by themomcat on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:38:45 PM EST
    yo talk about the SD count until August when they are cast and counted? N'est pas?

    And just as absurd (5.00 / 3) (#210)
    by americanincanada on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:49:03 PM EST
    to give him votes he didn't earn in Michigan.

    Is she incredibly moved? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:00:48 PM EST
    or very tired?

    She si obviously (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Andy08 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:01:42 PM EST
    talking to the SuperDelegates now.

    Backpedalling on MSNBC (none / 0) (#91)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:24:44 PM EST

    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by masslib on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:40:12 PM EST
    Robinson (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:44:23 PM EST
    was saying how Obama would not be making some big victory speech on Tuesday.  Robinson was lowering expectations.  

    Predictable, based on past puffery (5.00 / 7) (#150)
    by Cream City on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:00:41 PM EST
    that just gets Obama coverage on the advance releases about self-coronations . . . and then back down he goes again, when reality intrudes.

    It has become like the proverbial tale of the boy crying wolf, so I try to ignore it now.  If the media were not so lacking in cultural literacy and knew the story, they'd stop looking for a wolf every time, too -- as every time, instead what emerges is just a puppy dog with its tail between its legs.

    I'm told it even has become a Leno joke line now.  If so, that can suggest a serious decline in credibility.


    as I posted earlier (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:05:04 PM EST
    his "I'm the Nominee" song has been repeated ad nauseum so many times by now that it's probably becoming more like White Noise to the SDs than anything else.

    But those graphs and charts and Electoral Facts and Figures and Congressional Districts won that the Clinton Campaign is so kind to share?  Now THAT has some relevance for those wishing to keep their jobs.


    It's been very odd (5.00 / 5) (#159)
    by waldenpond on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:07:36 PM EST
    Obama wanted the SDs to come out now so that actual voters would push him over his 'delegate' meme.  There are so many rumors about Obama maybe they are going to hold off for a few days.  (sending the KO tape around must have not gone over well)

    I would like Clinton to have a few days rest and then present her case to the SDs.  Votes, polls, states etc.....


    Hmm (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:43:54 PM EST
    you've made a couple of comments about the pundits. Can you elaborate? George S. was talking about stuff coming out this week w/r/t Obama. What do you think?

    Fox news reports that a TV network (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:49:05 PM EST
    now has the rumored Michele Obama videtape.
    Larry Johnson promises to break something big on that same story by tomorrow morning.

    ruh-roh (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:01:18 PM EST
    if true, this ain't gonna be good for convincing SDs to fall in line and support you.

    Now watch the Boyz blame it all on Hillary.


    The videotape must exist---that's clear (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:05:22 PM EST
    to me now. Whether it's as stunning as LJ claims, I don't know. I think it will probably be on par with the worst of Wright and Pfleger.

    anything on a par with (4.75 / 4) (#158)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:07:25 PM EST
    either Wright or Pfleger and from Michelle's own lips will be enough for SDs to drop the buckets and just abandon the ship and swim for the stronger shores of HillaryLand.

    It'll be interesting to see how Obama spins THIS one if it's true.


    Well, obviously I'm being optimistic. (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:08:27 PM EST
    It could be a dud.. but given the track record from that church, I don't think so.

    Throw Michelle ma belle under the bus? (none / 0) (#219)
    by feet on earth on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:04:44 PM EST
    If it really is just Michelle... (none / 0) (#212)
    by ineedalife on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:51:51 PM EST
    relating a story told to her by someone else it will probably be a non-starter. Even if Michelle owned it and made it obvious she felt the same way. That can sway a close election in the fall. But seeing the lengths Dems will go to place black hate speech into "context" so far in this primary it will not help Hillary.

    Jeffrey Toobin (none / 0) (#157)
    by Decal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:06:43 PM EST
    On CNN Toobin said he didn't think it mattered much that the likely nominee Obama had been losing so many recent primaries because something similar happened before to Clinton and Reagan.  Is that right?  I have to say I can't recall any previous nominees repeatedly losing primaries by 2-1 margins in the closng weeks.  

    No, that's not true at all. (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by MarkL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:09:20 PM EST
    maybe (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by ccpup on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:09:33 PM EST
    but Obama is nothing like Clinton or Reagan.  Those men were politically smart and very, very strong.  Obama?  Not so much.  He whines too much and is too easily offended.

    I would have thought (5.00 / 4) (#164)
    by waldenpond on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:12:10 PM EST
    the opposite.  I have only seen talking heads say they hadn't seen anything like this.  Obama barely made the 15% threshold of legitimacy in some districts.  Did Toobin give actual numbers?

    He's wrong. (5.00 / 4) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:23:26 PM EST
    Clinton and Reagan lost primaries but they were early ones not late ones. As far as I know, there's never been a "likely nominee" who has been blasted by 30-40 pt. margins at the finish line.

    Fools on the news (none / 0) (#204)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:38:52 PM EST
    John Avalon (?), calls himself a Democratic Analyst was just on FOX claiming that if Clinton continues on she will destroy her legacy, put her Senate seat in jeopardy, and damage the party. He says Obama's momentum wins.

    I think the DNC owes it to the members to start campaigns against such irresponsible and inaccurate statements.

    Obama's momentum??? (5.00 / 4) (#206)
    by masslib on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:41:03 PM EST
    Like losing over 600k votes to her in the last 4 months?  LOL.

    Interesting... (none / 0) (#215)
    by Spike on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:56:49 PM EST
    "I am a hardcore Latino democrat and I can tell you with all certainly that I would vote for McCain over Obama any day! This has nothing to do with race; we just know and trust McCain more!!"

    I would never question the decision of a Democrat who says they could never vote for Obama. But it's harder to understand how a "hardcore" Democrat could affirmatively support John McCain. Are we talking about the same John McCain who refuses to support the immigration reform bill that he earlier introduced? That hardly seems like a basis for trust. If you can vote for the Republican after reading the Republican plank on immigration reform that will be approved in St. Paul, then I question your credentials as a hardcore Democrat.

    Comments now closed (none / 0) (#217)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:58:46 PM EST