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Obama Has Visited All 57 States But One

Whoops, Obama in Oregon today:

It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

The Times' conscientious Robin Abcarian thought she heard something different there. She checked her tape recorder. It had captured what he had actually said -- 57 states now.

He even paused before he said "57" as if he was thinking about the number. Obama explained afterwards:[More...]

At a later stop Obama was talking with reporters and expressed concern he'd also mis-stated the number of potential cyclone victims in Burma. He said, ""I hope I said 100,000 people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh." At that point, an aide cut him off and ushered journalists out. Before he could mis-speak again?)

And who knew that's why he didn't go to Hawaii, the state he grew up in -- because his "staff would not justify it."?

57...The Times asks if it's a reference to John Kerry's Heinz 57. Maybe it's a reference to his supporter Bruce Springsteen's song, "57 channels and nothing on." I've been thinking that since Tuesday night.

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    Can't blame it on the public schools (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:19:52 PM EST
    either.

    And he didn't take sniper fire (5.00 / 0) (#134)
    by riddlerandy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:00:34 PM EST
    in any of them

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    can't blame it on the (none / 0) (#139)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:36:58 AM EST
    the hard working, white people

    Parent
    Right, so that why (none / 0) (#159)
    by Evie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:08:39 PM EST
    it's all the more disconcerting that this Columbia and Harvard-educated candidate doesn't even know how many states there are.

    Shades of Quayle and GWB.

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    Oooooh! (none / 0) (#123)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:38:48 PM EST
    Ouch!  Another one, Oculus!

    Man, I hope I never get on your bad side!


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    You don't get it (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:20:07 PM EST
    50 states plus 7 votes in Guam, 57.  Get it?  He made those 7 states.

    Come on, guys (5.00 / 7) (#57)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:57:42 PM EST
    it was a long day.  He was probably cold from the breeze coming off the Great Lakes of Oregon.

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    Innocent slip (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:16:38 PM EST
    he was supposed to wait until October for this 7 state surprise.


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    Wonder how many Super-Ds (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:17:49 PM EST
    are involved?

    Parent
    This is why (5.00 / 5) (#113)
    by Steve M on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:00:45 PM EST
    you should never start your day without a waffle.

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    He probably feels like he's visited (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:22:13 PM EST
    4000 states by now.  

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    Man oh man... (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:25:00 PM EST
     ( I was going to say boy oh boy, then I remembered yesterday using the word kid and having a gaggle of trolls attack me for being racist) anyway, how are they going to keep him contained?  

    I tell you we are talking Bush gaffe world.  

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    Possibly. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by sweetthings on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:30:23 PM EST
    But we're going to need a much bigger pattern than this.

    Even the Chosen One is allowed an off day.

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    You mean the bitter/cling thing (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:38:35 PM EST
    doesn't count?

    or when he said his "racist" grandmother was "a typical white person"

    Or how about when marking the anniversary of the March 1965 "Bloody Sunday" in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together "because of what happened in Selma." Obama was born in 1961.

    Or when he told Larry King on CNN -- asked about that anti-Hillary Rodham Clinton YouTube ad, a doctored version of a spot created for Apple computers -- "We don't have the technical capacity to create something like that."

    Or how about when he was visiting Hickory, NC and he said he was in Greensboro?

    I'm seeing a pattern.

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    It's really too "cute" by (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Boo Radly on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:39:43 PM EST
    half that this little slip happened in Oregon. Oregon citizens have been the recipients of a mail out in which he places one of the great lakes in their state and he also promises to work hard to get them a bill that has already been passed ages ago.  Sorry I can't flesh out more detail - it was a diary at MYDD and the posters name starts with Bob. I could  not find it again later. Hope Bob is okay.

    These darn campaigns can be really hard work for some people. Pesky details and words can be troubling.

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    Priceless :) (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:38:01 PM EST
    Sounds the hook was on it ASAP. (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:28:47 PM EST
    I see you take instruction well. (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:29:40 PM EST
    how about one left (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:23:27 PM EST
    then naming Alaska and Hawaii -- guy, I'm not surprised you get discombobulated with the "big numbers," as I've never bought into the "he's super intelligent meme" but not knowing 1+1=2?


    Sounds like he needs a vacation (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by andgarden on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:24:57 PM EST
    alas, there's no conceivable way he could have one.

    I need a vacation from Obama. (5.00 / 6) (#9)
    by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST
    That probably won't happen either.

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    That's one thing; if Clinton (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:27:20 PM EST
    suspended her campaign or conceded, we could all turn our attention to something less stressful until Nov. 9.

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    We will not be allowed to take (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:30:56 PM EST
    a vacation from Obama. I'm sure my OFB friends will not give me rest.
    By the way, the noquarter link had new information---Obama just sacked his adviser that was talking to Hamas. I would say that's 2-0 for McCain on that exchange. Expect McCain to congratulate Obama for doing the right thing tomorrow.

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    OFB friends? (none / 0) (#24)
    by miguelito on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:35:06 PM EST
    You still have those?  ;)

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    Obama would have a better chance (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    of getting my vote if I didn't hear from them, to be honest.

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    It's hard work! (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:03:27 PM EST
    Dumb as Dubya (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by stevenb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM EST
    So, that big law degree really was edumacational after all...

    classy (none / 0) (#142)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:45:31 AM EST
    mirroring the rest of this post (and responses).  petty per usual.  

    Parent
    You need to change your avatar (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by angie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:07:27 AM EST
    because you went through this entire thread and gave a "1" rating to every post (excluding the sniper fire one) -- including the one where janarchy was relating a story about her friend with cancer. Also, you need to review the comments policy on this site re: blanket ratings of "1" to posts with which you disagree. Finally, you shouldn't lecture about "class" when your actions demonstrate your lack thereof. But, you do prove my grandmother right: the people who talk about class the most are the ones who have the least.  

    Parent
    Looks like the Super D's are going to end it (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Teresa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:32:20 PM EST
    before all the votes are counted anyway. If they do, I may have to sit this one out and I just don't do that. I'm so disgusted with some of my party.

    Try to end it you mean (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:42:49 PM EST
    and if they do god help them -- I will work my a off and donate my money to ensure no re-election for any  of them currently in office.

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    It's only make believe (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:48:53 PM EST
    those superdelegates can change their commitment a hundred times a day from now until the convention. Until they actually cast their vote, there's no guarantee on the numbers. This will not be finalized until the convention.

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    Obviously Numbers Aren't obama's friend... (4.00 / 1) (#77)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:09:53 PM EST
    Told you he was just like gwb....fuzzy math on the delegates too perhaps?

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    aren't the super D's (none / 0) (#138)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:31:41 AM EST
    allowed to do what they think is best????? that is what you clinton people have been arguing for months.

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    Signs and wonders my friends. (5.00 / 6) (#20)
    by davnee on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:32:20 PM EST
    Obama is so transcendent that he added seven whole states to our glorious union just by being the one.  It was one of the foretold miracles of his candidacy.  Imagine what he will accomplish once he's actually in office.

    That or it was just some strategery deployed to pump his thin resume.  No one has done more than Obama for the number of states in America!

    Well He Has Always Said He Could Expand The Party (5.00 / 8) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:00 PM EST
    He just didn't tell us he was going to add more states to do it.

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    Isn't it 8 or 9? (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by nycstray on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:25 PM EST
    He visited 57 and thinks he only missed one. Alaska and Hawaii . . . .

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    Civic 001 (none / 0) (#98)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:39:15 PM EST
    Obama's Grade  -  F

    Or is he a closet imperialist.

    This is what happens when Pete Rouse is left behind.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/26/AR2007082601446_pf.html

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    Campaign Promises? (none / 0) (#38)
    by Athena on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:43:18 PM EST
    FDR had court-packing; Obama has state-packing.

    Or did he just promise places like San Francisco and Madison that they could be their own state if he's elected?

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    must be that "wisdom" (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by miguelito on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:34:21 PM EST
    Kennedy referred to  /s

    I shook Bill Clinton's hand this afternoon. (5.00 / 24) (#23)
    by liminal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:34:34 PM EST
    He was great.  He's barnstorming small communities in West Virginia.  Today he went from Boone County to Williamson to Wayne to St. Albans to Ripley.  I drove down to Wayne to see him at Wayne High School.  We waited outside on a cool, humid afternoon while stormclouds threatened.  There were lots of kids there, but they hadn't been diverted from school.  School let out early, and these kids came back on their own.

    After waiting outside for 45 minutes or so, we crowded into the high school gym.  There are also quite a number of seniors there, so it was lucky that there were seats enough for everyone who needed them.  Inside, we waited for another hour - much of that after the presentation of the flags b the Jr. ROTC color guard and the singing of the national anthem.

    Bill doesn't mention Obama by name at all in his stump speech; he gave an extended extemporaneous speech.  I'm sure he has it all by heart now, but he spoke well and thoroughly on issues of energy and the economy, education and foreign policy, weaving it all together into a really compelling stump speech.  

    The end of No Child Left Behind got the biggest round of applause.

    After the rally, outside, I met an elderly woman who asked me where I got my Hillary campaign pin.  I picked it up at campaign headquarters a few weeks ago, myself, but there were folks there selling buttons and I pointed them out, but she didn't seem interested, so I gave her mine.

    Then she showed me the other pin she was wearing: a Roosevelt campaign pin.  

    Yeah: a wooden donkey, with Roosevelt written across it.  From Roosevelt to Hillary.

    I know the pundits want everyone to believe it's over.  It well may be: but to the thousands of people to whom Bill Clinton spoke today, it isn't over yet.  Why should we be shut out of the process?  Why should Montana be ignored?  If Obama and his partisans were truly committed to the 50 state strategy, they wouldn't call the race when there are 10 yards to go.  

    Like everyone else in the country, our votes should count.  

    Thank you... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:19 PM EST
    what a great description.  

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    My pleasure. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by liminal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:48:49 PM EST
    I did leave out a bit about a somewhat obnoxious reporter.  When everyone was pressing forward to shake President Clinton's hand, or hand over a baby for pictures and a kiss, she pushed her way through to try to heckle him about Hillary's nomination as a "fairy tale."  

    So it was weird afterwards to see her outside the school, pulling people aside to interview them as they were leaving the site.  Her questions (I was handing out early vote brochures nearby, so I overheard all her brief soundbite interviews), were all about whether or not Bill was an asset to the campaign.  "Some people think he said some controversial things..."  All that's fine; but I don't get why she felt the need to heckle.  When we were inside the venue, I honestly thought she was an Obama supporter who was trying to make trouble.  

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    I met Bill once (5.00 / 10) (#47)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:52:31 PM EST
    we had a "moment" because we share a friend.  I have to admit, though, when I met Hillary Clinton, I was far more blown away by her than anything Bill said or did.  She was just... transcendant.  The ladies here will know what I am talking about when I say that sometimes you meet another woman, and you are just struck by the thought, "d*amn, she really has her sh*t together."  And that's the air she gives off--so confident, so assured, so past the crap that you deal with when you're ten and twenty and thirty and fifty.  The friends I was with burst into tears at the sight of her, and I got this feeling--like, holy crap, this is so historic--indescribable.  And then she started to talk and we were blown away a second and third and too many times to count, by how absolutely brilliant she is.

    It's funny, because standing there, listening to her speak so eloquently about her love of America, I remembered when I was a little girl and had to go to the dentist, and a woman came in and I told her that the hygienist had already cleaned my teeth and I was just waiting for the dentist, and she said that she was the dentist, and I didn't believe her.

    From that to Hillary Clinton.

    Okay, I'll admit it--I got a little teary eyed when she walked into the room, too.  HRC, not the dentist.  Okay, maybe the dentist, too, but that was because she found a cavity.

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    My partner met both Clintons (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:56:22 PM EST
    at a Special Olympics Christmas party in the Whitehouse.  She said Bill was amazing, but that Hillary was the real charismatic one.  I think she is more amazing in person than on the tv screen.  Both of them were extremely gracious and wonderful to her son with Down's Syndrome.

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    Makes me want to kick in the min. (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:53:31 PM EST
    $150 to get in the door for Hillary Clinton's appearance in Orange Co.

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    She's having a fundraiser here tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by nycstray on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:07:51 PM EST
    I wasn't sure I would get my next round of checks on time, so I didn't get a ticket. {sigh} of course they arrived today . . . so I'll just donate the money :)

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    oculus (1.00 / 0) (#62)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:02:10 PM EST
    you won't be sorry.  They are both impressive as heck, but she just blew my socks off.  She is an amazing speaker.

    (PS: Orange County as in Orange County Choppers????)

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    Orange Co., CA. Can't remember (1.00 / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:03:29 PM EST
    where or when, but soon.

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    Once you see her (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:30:18 PM EST
    in person though, it will be much harder to let go.  I was stunned at her charisma and speaking.  Not one missed word.  Not one "uh" her mind is unbelievable.  I saw her at a special breakfast fundraiser in SF about 4 weeks ago.  She was brilliant.  

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    There will be a fundraiser in Newport Beach, Cal (none / 0) (#110)
    by bridget on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:53:53 PM EST
    the Balboa Bay Club May 19 AFAIK

    wish I could be there and meet Hillary

    Bill has always been the one person I always wanted to meet since just about 1992 - still is but

    now Hillary is right up there with him :-)


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    oops its supposed to be may 15 in Newport Beach (none / 0) (#115)
    by bridget on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:04:37 PM EST
    I checked again

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    Thank you from me too (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:47:09 PM EST
    I am so happy the people in WV are responding like this -- keep of the good work -- you may even get a call from me this weekend reminding me to vote Hillary, as my only plans this weekend are calling WV for Hillary to GOTV -- (and to give you the idea of my sacrifice, the weather is upper 70s, sunny and no humidity here, but I can't think of anything I'd rather do).  

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    I got a call tonight, when I came home. (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by liminal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:51:10 PM EST
    I'm glad folks are calling.  It's storming here now,  and full dark, but I'll be out canvassing tomorrow, and driving folks to the polls on Tuesday.  

    I'm also going to try to figure out for whom I want to vote in the other races so that I can early vote tomorrow before I go volunteer.  Then I can change my "VOTE" bracelet to "VOTED."  

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    you got a call? (none / 0) (#63)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:02:48 PM EST
    hey, it wasn't from a woman with a soft southern accent and you didn't talk about heirloom tomatoes, did you?

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    Naw. We didn't talk tomatoes. (none / 0) (#71)
    by liminal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:06:35 PM EST
    I talked to an older woman with just a touch of the NE in her voice.  She sounded like my grandmother from Atlantic City, NJ.  And we talked roses, not tomatoes.  Mine are all about to bloom.  

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    Saw two commenters at TM who said WV Dem (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by jawbone on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:47:11 PM EST
    voters getting calls from Obama campaign telling them no need to vote in the primary bcz the Obama has won and then ask for donations to Obama. One mentioned figure of $400. (Huh?>)

    Have you heard anything about this? Received any calls?

    Your story about the wooden donkey FDR pin on the elderly lady is so touching! Damn, I wish we could come through for her!

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    He wants to depress (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:58:08 PM EST
    voting.  He's got to keep turnout down.  That's the goal now... to make sure she can't catch him on the popular vote.  That's why he wants to declare victory on May 20.  Clinton's final push: get out the vote.  Obama's final push: keep 'em home.

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    I have been calling folks all week (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:00:26 PM EST
    and as soon as Tuesday is over, I'm gonna start calling KY and whoever else they tell me to.  I've got the wrong accent for OR, but my good southern manners go a long way with them folk.

    "Why, no, ma'am.  I don't know why anyone would tell you he won.  If he already won, why are they still holding the election?"

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#90)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:21:26 PM EST
    I may have to steal that line -- I've been reminding all my callers that the "election is really close, and Hillary needs your vote on Tuesday" but I hadn't heard anything about those Obama calls (granted I only called today for a short time), after my marathon calling tomorrow, I'll let y'all know if I hear any of that.
    BTW -- after I'm done with WV, I'll be calling OR next weekend -- I'd call during the week too, but I refuse to call after 5:00 pm, and I can't take off from work -- my little menagerie has got to eat.

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    Sounds like a plan to me.. LOL (none / 0) (#157)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:52:01 AM EST
    Hillary's voters get out and vote and Obama's can stay home. See how that plays at the convention. Heh.

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    That's awful. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by liminal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:59:29 PM EST
    I hope it's not true.  We have an important race for two seats on state Supreme Court at issue, and the Democratic primary will more or less decide the outcome.  There's a chance to get rid of a scandal-plagued incumbent who vacationed in Monaco with the president of the state's largest coal company, and didn't recuse himself from cases involving said company until someone leaked the vacation photos.  And there are always important local races that impact folks' every day lives.  If true, that's really disappointing.  

    I haven't heard of anything like that, but I'll keep an ear out.  I did get a fundraising letter from Obama today, but it does not mention the WV primary at all.  

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    But of course (none / 0) (#116)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:06:25 PM EST
    it's all about Obama.  The cares of 'little folks' are of no consequence.

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    Vote Suppression (none / 0) (#132)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:23:34 PM EST
    becomes him. Looks like he's trying to add W VA to MI and FL.

    No one should be surprised.

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    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:11:43 PM EST
    I'm actually crying now. What a great story!

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    I gotta throw this in here (5.00 / 8) (#84)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:17:35 PM EST
    I met Obama in Atlanta once, way back when he actually met people (did y'all know you can't meet him now unless you're a bundler?  He doesn't even court the $2300 folks anymore, but I digress...)  He didn't look me in the eye.  I'm a somewhat well-known person in my field (yeah, I know!) and I meet lots of people, and I know that no matter what is going on in your head, or who is in the room, you act like the person in front of you is the person who matters.  You shake their hand, you look them in the eye, you nod and you listen to them, and then you move on.

    The entire time we talked, he was looking over my shoulder, like he was waiting to see if there was someone better he could be talking to.  

    When I met Bill Clinton, I felt like I was the only person in his life.  When I met HRC, I felt...I hate to say this, but I felt validated.  I felt like she knew me to the core.  I was totally aware of the artifice, but I was so impressed by it that I did not care that it was artifice.  This is a skill that you either have or you don't, and she's got it in spades.

    Obama does not.  I'm not saying he can't learn it, but he doesn't seem to have the inclination to do so.  He's too busy looking over your shoulder for someone more famous to talk to.

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    Someone I know (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:28:36 PM EST
    and no longer speak to met Obama once about a year ago and makes it out to be the single most fulfilling moment of her life -- like to the point of religious ecstasy. (Which is why I no longer speak to her -- it's just...creepy) I never had the opportunity so can't speak from experience but I believe your story more!

    A good friend of mine was born and raised in AK and worked for Bill's gubernatorial campaign back the late 80s/early 90s. She was an overweight, middle aged woman with kids, not exactly a Gennifer Flowers type woman so there was no ulterior motive. She couldn't afford to get to his inauguration in Little Rock which was like 2 hrs away because her family was that poor. He was so touched by her hard work and dedication that he paid for her and her husband and two kids to come to the ball and treated them like royalty. It was because of her story that I first paid attention to him in 1992.

    My dad met Hillary at a book signing 5 years ago and was blown away by how personable she was to him and everyone else. He's been a hard core supporter ever since.

    It's how you treat people, isn't it?

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    Well, it should be (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:40:54 PM EST
    but based on the unflinching loyalty from the Obama supporters despite their candidate's complete lack of concern (see: throwing dkos under the bus on Fox), I'm beginning to wonder.

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    I forgot to mention (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:48:54 PM EST
    that my Bill-lovin' friend also had cancer (she survived) and Bill even called her at home post-chemo to make sure she was okay. I'd like to hear some story of compassion like that from Obama...

    sadly, he seems to have lack of concern for everyone/everything except perhaps his wife, his children and, of course, Barack Obama.

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    Obama is the kind of person (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:36:12 PM EST
    who would do that.  Talking to you, but looking around if there is someone else who is more important to engage with, or looking for a better offer.  

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    Interesting story, Kathy, thanks for posting (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by bridget on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:16:21 PM EST
    Why do his fans think he is so charismatic, Kathy?

    Because I don't get it. He never moves me. Not with his speech, anything. Never has. And it's not for the lack of trying on my part. He just didn't impress me.

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    Keynote Speech (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:56:07 PM EST
    I've never gotten it either. The buildup to his keynote address at the convention in '04 was ridiculous.

    I have some memory of five speeches at that convention. Best was Bill Clinton. Next was Kerry. Next was John Edwards (bound and gagged, not allowed to upstage Kerry)then Al Sharpton with the best single line and last was Obama.

    I just didn't get what all the fuss was about. I wanted a clarion call to arms (like Harry Truman 1948) and this guy comes out with milquetoast.

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    Back in my politically active days (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:50:09 PM EST
    I met quite a few politicians, state-level, not national, but some moving on up, including Kerry. What always struck me about the really good ones is that they not only look you straight in the eye, but they use the opportunity to pick your brain very thoroughly in just a few minutes about whatever your thing is.

    Kerry, I'm sorry to say, was one of the plaster smiles, look-over-your-shoulder to see who else is in the room types.  Dukakis, otoh, is one of the eyeball-to-eyeball pick your brain types.

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    Obama was trying to better deal you? (1.00 / 0) (#91)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:25:49 PM EST
    One more reason for me to dislike him -- I loathe when people do that. Whatta a$$h***


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    Kathy, I gotta ask, (1.00 / 0) (#102)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:41:46 PM EST
    what field are you in? A hint even?

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    An honest mistake (5.00 / 6) (#26)
    by lilburro on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:15 PM EST
    I can understand.  What I don't like is that he parrotted Drudge's African garb photo smear of Clinton in Mississippi (after he said in the debate he believed she had no involvement with it).  He didn't misspeak then.  IMO, he should've been hardcore called out on that.  

    Now I think he's 'losing his bearings' (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by tandem5 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:39 PM EST
    way to nullify your message there... always next news cycle.

    The 57 state strategy... (5.00 / 9) (#31)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:37:40 PM EST
    ... if he can pick up electoral votes in places McCain doesn't even know exist, he's got it made!

    Just maybe (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:42:16 PM EST
    since Clinton has only campaigned in 50 states, he is counting the popular vote and delegates from those 7 states as all his, thus easily justifying his "Mission Accomplished" speech planned for May 20th.

    She has only herself to blame for not getting her name on those ballots!


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    perhaps (none / 0) (#147)
    by ghost2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:35:40 AM EST
    he was counting American Samoa, Virgin Islands, and Guam.  But then I don't think either candidate has been in any of these place.  

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    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by nell on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:38:40 PM EST
    kinda hard to smear McCain as the senile one when he doesn't even know how many states there are in the Obama States of America. Not 57, not 50, just 48.

    Oka, now you're being picky (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by cawaltz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:42:42 PM EST
    The poor guy is tired. He misspoke. There is a multitude of things to pick on Obama on. As it stands this one is kinda goofy IMO. Although I'm sure Obama supporters would be giggling gleefully if the shoe were on the other foot and Clinton had said this too.

    If I had a bullet in my brain (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:56:23 PM EST
    I'd remember there are 50 states -- that is like blinking your eyes -- reflexive. It is a dumb a## comment, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

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    When you are tired (none / 0) (#81)
    by cawaltz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:13:56 PM EST
    you don't say or do dumb things? I know I do. Heck, you get me with only a couple of hours sleep and I can barely remember my name let alone anything else. I've actually forgotten my phone number.

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    Are you running (4.50 / 2) (#87)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:18:47 PM EST
    for the democratic nomination for the presidency of the United States?

    I mean, come on--this begs the 3am question.  Is MO gonna pick up the phone and say, "he's really sleepy right now.  Can you call back later?"

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    asked and answered (none / 0) (#95)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:30:25 PM EST
    sure, I say dumb things but I have NEVER forgotten how many states there are -- that is akin to forgetting the sky is blue -- and it is especially egregious when you are running for the job of President of the 50 United States of America.

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    He just does what Republicans do... (none / 0) (#133)
    by Iris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:46:44 PM EST
    Which is to attack your opponent for what you do or are planning to do, so that it makes it harder to call you out on it.

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    It's scary (none / 0) (#148)
    by ghost2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:37:52 AM EST
    to think what happens when this guy is tired, but woken up by a 3am phone call.  What dumb mistakes will he make then?

    Oh, right, I guess it would be like groundhog day.  You know, 6 years of a President screwing up and his supporters making excuses each time.

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    I'd probably answer (none / 0) (#111)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:54:03 PM EST
    48 states; once learned, never forgotten.  I also stumble over the pledge of allegiance: 'under God' wasn't in there back before the flood.

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    dang you're old (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:35:36 PM EST
    I keed! I keed! :-)
    Obviously, it is one thing to say 48 because you are old enough to remember when AL & HI became part of the union -- it's another to add 7 more.

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    I know! (none / 0) (#160)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:03:31 PM EST
    I am Methuslah's grandma (here I am, look under the bus).

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#131)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:10:45 PM EST
    "'under God' wasn't in there back before the flood.

    I remember when it was added.  It was awkward, interrupted the rhythm, still does.

    There were 48 states then but 50 is burned into my brain. I've been weary to the bone many times from non-stop work over many months but would have answered 50 on reflex.


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    Poor Guy, my arse (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:37:20 PM EST
    Why in hell should the precious get a break of any kind?  If he's tired it means that he can't keep it together under pressure. TIRED DOESN'T COUNT and SHOULDN'T COUNT. This is an adult responsibility and tired is never an excuse in that world. Tired simply means he can't cut it.

    "giggling gleefully if the shoe were on the other foot and Clinton had said this too."

    And the mainstream media would run it non-stop for several days.  The TV and print pundits would say she's obviously tired, time to drop out, doesn't have the stamina required for the office.

    Then again, as an earlier commenter said, I'd answer 50 states with a bullet in my head.

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    Oy Vey.... (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by vicsan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:44:46 PM EST
    Hillary! SAVE US, please! We can't survive another G. W. Boosh!

    too late. (none / 0) (#140)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:39:03 AM EST
    she fumbled her once inevitable presidency by running the worst campaign in modern presidential history (save Rudi)

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    You don't agree to disagree (none / 0) (#153)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:25:57 AM EST
     you distort and spin.

    she fumbled her once inevitable presidency by running the worst campaign in modern presidential history

    The inevitable tag was put on her by the media not by the Clinton campaign. Both Clintons are far too astute politicians to ever see any campaign as "inevitable". Your rhetoric belongs on MSNBC.

     As for running the worst campaign I agree there were a lot of mistakes but Obama has made a ton of them too. He just had the media fawning over him and ignoring and excusing his blunders.

    And can you not, after all this time, have a conversation without reverting to "but, but Clinton"? It was tiresome when the Republicans did it constantly and is decidedly annoying when a so-called Democrat does it.

     

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    I'm watching Washington Week in Review (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM EST
    and now they're saying Clinton has "asked Obama to help pay off her campaign debt", although they add that Clinton has adamantly denied that.

    The condescension and smugness is thoroughly revolting on this program tonight.

    Earlier on McLaughlin Group, McLaughlin and Buchanan mounted the best defense of Hillary's ongoing campaign.

    What an upside-down world.

    C'mon you guys, (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Arcadianwind on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:56:21 PM EST
    don't you get it. Do the math. Look, there are 48 states' right? minus the one he hasn't been to makes 47. What he meant to say (WORM) is 47 states, not 57.

    State of Intoxication? (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by tokonoma on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:56:48 PM EST
    Sounds like the last state he visited was the state of intoxication.  Another reason to vote for Hillary--she can hold her liquor.  : -)

    McCauliff said she can throw them down (none / 0) (#144)
    by thereyougo on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:59:06 AM EST
    like the rest of the guys!

    thats our president in waiting.....

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    It doesn't surprise me. (none / 0) (#149)
    by ghost2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:41:21 AM EST
    In fact, a couple of years ago, there was a story of her and McCain being on a foreign trip together, and Hillary challenged him to a drinking match.  McCain first denied the story, but later said in admiration, "she can really hold her liquor."

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    Hey Skex (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    You just posted a day or so ago (like Obama, I'm tired) that you're going to elect your candidate with us or without us.

    So what do you care what we think?  You can do it without us, right?

    Obama is Wright (5.00 / 0) (#68)
    by tokonoma on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:04:30 PM EST
    Obama escapes his past with such ease, maybe he can travel into the future, too. Perhaps he has been to a time when there are 57 states. On a different note, has anyone actually scrutinized Obama's citizenship?  If he can belong to a church for 20 years and not be present for anyone sermons, maybe he has claimed citizenship without actually having been born here.

    He is an American citizen because (none / 0) (#156)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM EST
    1) he was born in Hawaii and 2)his mother was an American citizen. Either of those two make him a natural-born American citizen. I was born overseas while my father was with the Foreign Service. American citizenship descends from the parent to the child, both my parents were US citizens and therefore I am as well, no matter where I was born. Same goes for Obama..his mother was a US citizen, therefore he is. He was also born in this country, which also makes him an American citizen. End of discussion.

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    Yes He Can! (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by OxyCon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:12:24 PM EST
    Count?

    I'd actually defend him (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:19:05 PM EST
    and say maybe he meant 50 states plus Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands etc. but that still doesn't equal 57 and last time I checked Hawaii and Alaska weren't the same state...

    And we're the low-information, uneducated people?

    Maybe he's also counting the State of Confusion, State of Chaos, State of Denial (home territory for most of his supporters), State of Oblivion, State of Futility, State of Ignorance, and State of Discontent?

    Evidently words matter less now. (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:29:09 PM EST
    I've said this before, in another thread, but it's all the more appropriate here. In his NC victory speech the other night, Obama spaced out in the middle of a star-spangled moment and mis-attributed his grandfather's military service to his father: "...the flag draped over my [pause] father's coffin".

    Freudian slip, wishful thinking, who knows. Not a lot of harm done there, but in a different instance, Obama might want to be more accurate about the identity of the guy in the flag-draped coffin. Rove advises McCain, Obama's gaffe wasn't lost on him.

    obama reminds me of bush (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by pluege on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:36:20 PM EST
    ...an empty suit fronting for a bunch of handlers.

    Will we (none / 0) (#154)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:39:13 AM EST
    have to go from the absurdity of "Bushisms" to listening to "Obamaisms"? Ugh!

    Personally I never found "Bushisms" funny. Embarassing for the country morelike.

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    Just fatigue IMO, but TeamO wasted no time ... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Ellie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:42:51 PM EST
    ... for the (literally) fraction of a section pause Sen Clinton had in adding "that I know of" to a piece of information she wasn't personally aware of, 100%, at the time.

    The O=blogs went wild over that with spillage into the long-pants media and had the mobs lighting their pitch and declaring, She'll say anything -- anything -- to win!!

    Live by the gotcha ...

    Ellie, the "long-pants media", (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:08:17 PM EST
    that expression is new to me and very funny.

    As for Obama being tired every time he garbles the facts; he's gonna be a lot more tired if he gets to the GE and becomes POTUS.

    As time wears on, we're seeing more of these types of gaffes - how many does it take before it's identified as a problem of some magnitude. If Obama actually has a problem of some kind, I'd rather know about it now.

    IMO, Obama's shaping up to look somewhat dyslexic, in a manner that's reminiscent of GW Bush. Gail Sheehy tried to sound the alarm on that one, in October, before the 2000 election. However, it didn't become a real issue till after he was POTUS. For the story on W, See Vanity Fair, "The Accidental Candidate".

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    Intentional misrepresentation of that moment (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by andrys on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:49:37 AM EST
    Just for those who heard about only that clause, here is what actually was said, as clarified by a transcript and analysis by Media Matter's Eric Eric Boehlert.

    " ...I count eight separate times in which she either plainly denied the false claim that Obama was Muslim, labeled that suggestion to be a smear, or expressed sympathy for Obama having to deal with the Muslim innuendo. Eight times:

        CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's--you know, there is not basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

        KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

        CLINTON: Right. Right.

        KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim or implying? Right.

        CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

        KROFT: It's just scurrilous --

        CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time. [Emphasis added]"

     Note that on the 3rd time she was asked, she added, with raised eyebrows, understandably puzzled as to why was he asking AGAIN, "as far as I know" ...

    And then I watched, on TV, on March 10, in Mississippi, Obama complaining to rallies that "She didn't defend me!"
    which was a way to get his supporters angry at her.

    He's not for the Old Politics, but if this is New Politics, I think I'm ready for Older Politics.  :-)

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    L Cadens Granny, (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:45:23 PM EST
    The site moderators will find that you're way over the line here.

    the post by Granny (none / 0) (#127)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:53:20 PM EST
    was deleted. It was an inappropriate attack on Obama. Take your race-baiting elsewhere.

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    C'mon Jeralyn. (5.00 / 0) (#106)
    by lyzurgyk on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:47:45 PM EST

    What's the point of this?  

    He's going to be the nominee.   Let's close ranks.


    You (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:48:29 PM EST
    think it's going to be just like that?

    Puh-lease.

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    close ranks? (5.00 / 4) (#112)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:54:43 PM EST
    just because your guy's policies are more Republican then Democrat doesn't mean the rest of us are going to start acting like Republicans and "close ranks" while they are still people waiting to cast their votes, not to mention the disenfranchisement of FL & MI. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times -- it ain't over til its over.

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    going to be (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:54:44 PM EST
    in your view or the media's view isn't the same as "is." There's no hurry. It's over when it's over. There is plenty of time to close ranks then.

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    Maybe he should take a break and rest (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Florida Resident on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:08:35 PM EST
    after all the press and the blogosphere have already crowned him.  He doesn't need to provide more ammunition to the Republicans than he already has.

    Objection do duelling gaffes... (5.00 / 0) (#137)
    by p lukasiak on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:12:04 AM EST
    since this is an open thread, I'll just say that I find it embarrassing when my side decides to play along in the game called "duelling gaffes"  

    It was obvious from the start that (1.00 / 0) (#120)
    by WillBFair on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:09:44 PM EST
    he's a dingbat, just like his supporters. Hope, Change, and Believe? That's the shallowest camapign rhetoric since Reagan's Morning in America. He copies Clinton bipartisanship, then screws it up with Wright and bittergate. And his supporters are mesmorized in three minutes by the dumbest smear campaign ever.
    This crowd just don't like smart people, as they showed by spitting venom at two of the most knowledgeable on earth.
    But we better get used to it. The media have done their work, just as they did by bringing down Gore and Kerry. It'll be five years of Obama's empty bull--, and not much different than the Shrub. Just be ready with the remote.
    http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

    ANOTHER_ goofball answer?? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mrwirez on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:28:28 PM EST
    And this is our guy??  Here is how the Repugs are going to "swiftboat" him. It is already starting. Rush Limpbag deems Obama the "weaker" candidate....... here we go.

    http://tinyurl.com/5m47nb

    He's not alone (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:18:34 PM EST
    Hannity and all his guests tonight are saying the same, O'Reilly, and the many million Clinton supporters all agree...he's the weaker candidate.

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    They didn't have good textbooks in (3.00 / 2) (#18)
    by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:31:26 PM EST
    Indonesia.

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    57 contests (none / 0) (#45)
    by s5 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:50:42 PM EST
    Maybe he was thinking that there were 57 contests in total, which is about right if you include the 50 states, plus the territories like Guam and the Virgin Islands.

    Plus two contests each in TX and WA. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:54:33 PM EST
    Something like that (none / 0) (#73)
    by s5 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:08:31 PM EST
    There are 57 lines on his results center page (excluding the total and superdelegates lines). If I were in his campaign, I'd probably have been staring at that page for the last several months.

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    boy, they must'a worn out the erased (none / 0) (#76)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:09:52 PM EST
    trying to adjust those Guam, IN and NC results to scale back their predictions!

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    PLEASE (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Mrwirez on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:56:02 PM EST
    He's dumb, we are not.

    http://tinyurl.com/6bxsxr

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    It's also a fake (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by s5 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:05:45 PM EST
    The original photo is on Snopes.

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    aw... (1.00 / 0) (#74)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:08:51 PM EST
    it doesn't matter if it's fake--it's still hilarious.

    And, I gotta say, the way he is holding his hand does him no favors.

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    I didn't wanna click (1.00 / 0) (#59)
    by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:59:08 PM EST
    but that cracked me up.  Reminds me of that pic of Gore that went around in 00, showing him in Vietnam doing something with his rifle (loading it?  Nah...) and he had the barrel pointed straight up at his head.

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    lol, I was so focused on the clock being (1.00 / 0) (#69)
    by Teresa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:05:12 PM EST
    at 3:00 that I didn't notice the phone at first.

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    How many contests are there in total? (none / 0) (#80)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:13:52 PM EST
    What about that tornado in VA (none / 0) (#67)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:03:50 PM EST
    Lest we forget, Obama overstated the death toll in the VA tornado (May, 2007) by a thousand fold. The death toll was 12, he said 10,000.

    Did he ever address that miscalculation?

    If this becomes a story... (none / 0) (#75)
    by Addison on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:08:53 PM EST
    ...presumably Bob Somerby will rejoice that he'll have media stupidity to cover this year after all. What a non-story.

    57 states (none / 0) (#89)
    by moi61537 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:20:21 PM EST
    Manifest Destiny again or has Mr. Obama "lost his bearings"?

    Over the line (none / 0) (#105)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:46:19 PM EST
    I know you are new here, but I suggest you read the comments policy -- criticizing Obama is fair, but not what you are doing. Just my 2 cents.

    57+ States? (none / 0) (#124)
    by Nadai on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:40:00 PM EST
    So how many delegates make up the Magic Number now?

    union.

    let's focus on real stuff.  this is weak.

    Will Hillary ask... (none / 0) (#135)
    by Raheem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:05:02 PM EST
    For those 7 states to count? Im sure she will start the campaign for it tomorrow...

    Oopsies! (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ytterbius on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:40:44 AM EST
    47 States, one left to go makes 48, + AK and HI makes 50.  

    Sad (none / 0) (#145)
    by flyerhawk on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:33:36 AM EST
    It is sad to see people who seem to be intelligent and educated Americans, use childish attacks like this.

    Congrats, Jeralyn, mission accomplished.  

    It's Saturday... (none / 0) (#158)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:09:39 AM EST
    and we are enjoying a good joke. If you don't want us to enjoy this sort of thing, tell your candidate to learn how many states there are in the country and perhaps prepare a little more thoroughly for his speeches. If Obama doesn't want people making jokes about his gaffes, he should stop making them. If he can.

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    Three words. (none / 0) (#151)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:00:49 AM EST

    Black George Bush.

    Can we get off trying to tear Obama down? (none / 0) (#152)
    by lindalawyer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:34:30 AM EST
    So what if he misspoke? He did not vote for the war in Iraq.

    he (none / 0) (#155)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:42:43 AM EST
    didn't have the option to vote or not vote for the war in Iraq since he wasn't in the Senate at the time. Since being in the Senate he has voted for every funding bill for the war as has Senator Clinton.

    And what does any of that have to do with his saying something foolish anyway?

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    Obama and Talk left (none / 0) (#161)
    by lindalawyer on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:04:10 PM EST
    So do you believe that he would have voted in support of the war? I do not believe so, and I am shocked that Talkleft readers so much overlook this critical "judgment"by Hillary, and would rather talk about some minor misstatement. I have given Hillary the benefit of the doubt re Bosnia, but if you want to talk about little things, her misstatement was certainly much more significant.

    Hillary is trying to sound tough, using terms like obliterate. Is that what the Talkleft readers support?  Unfortunately some of her statements have turned off supporters ---including this last, "white"voters like her better.

    What is fascinating is to what extent bias colors what we hear, and how much we will twist and turn to suit our desire to support a particular candidate. I LOVE talkleft, and Jerralyn is my idol,  but during this primary season, have been very disappointed by the bias.

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