Hillary Says She Will Finish the Race

Hillary Clinton has an op-ed today in the NY Daily News. She is staying in the race because she believes she is the best candidate and can win in November against John McCain.

I am running because I still believe I can win on the merits. Because, with our economy in crisis, our nation at war, the stakes have never been higher - and the need for real leadership has never been greater - and I believe I can provide that leadership.

I am not unaware of the challenges or the odds of my securing the nomination - but this race remains extraordinarily close, and hundreds of thousands of people in upcoming primaries are still waiting to vote. As I have said so many times over the course of this primary, if Sen. Obama wins the nomination, I will support him and work my heart out for him against John McCain. But that has not happened yet.

I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

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    Oh thank goodness. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by masslib on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:25:57 AM EST
    The super delegates will nominate our nominee.  The people are split.

    She's the best candidate in the race.  Let's nominate her.

    She IS the best candidate. (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by magisterludi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:26:42 AM EST
    I'm sticking with her no matter what.

    Me Too....Best News I Have Heard Today! (none / 0) (#94)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:46:45 PM EST
    She needs to stay in all the way. There is so (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by FLVoter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:29:40 AM EST
    much more at stake here than just the nomination.  

    beautifully written (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by Kathy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:31:11 AM EST
    passionately stated.  This is the Clinton we know and love.  Who could not fight for this woman?  The race goes on!  Rise, Hillary, Rise!

    She needs to stay in the race all the way (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by athyrio on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:32:44 AM EST
    to the convention....Those SD's are subject to change their minds up until then....I am sick and tired of the bullying of her to get out....Go Hillary and show America what real class looks like!!!

    I've been trying (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by JimWash08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:36:22 AM EST
    to keep up with all the Sunday news morning-shows today, and only one of them actually brought this op-ed up during the discussion of the RFK comment.

    That was ABC's This Week. George S. asked David Axelrod about it, and while he said the Obama campaign accepted the apology, he refused to say that the campaign will stop distributing Keith Olbermann's diatribe Youtube video to officials (unaligned superdels maybe?) and supporters.

    Old washington politics indeed.

    Tim Russert actually said that she sought the cameras out to make her apology, which is just a disgusting comment to make. They are just stretching her comment, which makes me absolutely sick.

    we are not giving space (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:39:47 AM EST
    to the RFK comment. I've said that repeatedly. It's a non-issue and comments on it will be deleted as hijacking the thread. Please stick to the topic. It is that Hillary says she is going to finish the race because she believes she is the candidate who can best beat McCain and she believes by staying in until the end when everyone has voted, the party has a greater chance of unifying around the eventual nominee, whoever that may be.

    Apologies (none / 0) (#36)
    by JimWash08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:03:18 AM EST
    I thought since that was the reason why Hillary Clinton wrote the Op-ed, to begin with, that it would be OK to mention it and discuss it in the thread.  I am certainly not trying to hijack anything. Sorry about that.

    I am really glad, though, that she quickly moved on and made her case for why she is more electable. I just think it's pretty sad that the media is not focusing on the electoral map, especially since it is just as impatient as the Obama campaign to get into the general election campaign.


    She is my hero!! (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by zfran on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:38:56 AM EST

    Backbone (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:42:28 AM EST
    is now considered a negative.  Standing up for voters is a negative.  This is the topsy turvy world of the "new politics".  

    once again... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:47:11 AM EST
    allow me to explain. it's really very simple:

    In the "new politics," everything Obama does is innovative, bold, and daring. Conversely, everything Clinton does is divisive, evil, or psychotic.

    Once you understand these basic principles, it's easy to predict how people react.

    I only wish I were being snarky.


    In 1960 (5.00 / 7) (#32)
    by Kathy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:59:51 AM EST
    Jerrie Cobb, a Lady Astronaut trainee, ranked in the top 2% of astronaut candidates of both genders.  According to NASA's own reports, women were lighter, required less oxygen, and handled stress better than their male counterparts.

    The program was scuttled because it was deemed too controversial.  The data stating the women were more qualified, as well as Cobb's test results, was classified for 20 years because NASA felt it might hurt the space program if word got out. (Sally Ride came along in 1983)

    Remember the letter Clinton got as a child got from NASA, telling her women couldn't be astronauts?

    Now, they are telling her that women can't be president.  They are subverting the evidence that shows she is more qualified, better prepared, etc.

    Everything old is new again.


    One of my female colleagues is (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM EST
    still quite bitter about being told by her high school counselor females were ineligible to be astronaughts.  

    This is getting slightly OT maybe but... (5.00 / 5) (#52)
    by A little night musing on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:17:30 AM EST
    In fifth grade our teacher told us that, although the girls were then better than the boys in math, "when you get into high school the boys will catch up and pass you girls." I remember thinking, "oh no, they won't!"

    Guess what field I went into? hee hee hee...


    Backbone (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by Kathy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:50:48 AM EST
    only matters when it's a man.

    When it's a woman, it's unseemly.  When it's a Clinton, it is the devil's work and she must be destroyed.


    Frankly, (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:57:41 AM EST
    now a days people don't know it when they see it.  With the current White House occupant, his bravado and stubberness is mistaken for backbone.  Instead we have become a land of wafflers and dunderheads .  The notion of sticking to something and seeing it to the end is like from another planet.  

    Alice In Wonderland (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by Brookhaven on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:31:11 PM EST
    Is how many of us have felt during this primary season.  Up is down, backward is forward, crazy is sane and so on.  And, this latest mindless invective/rabid/reactionary response re/HRC's comment why she is still in the race at this time invoking her husband's run and RFK's still running in June '68, is sound and fury without any meaning except to try to once again force HRC out of the race so we can crown his majestical.  

    One of the things that this country has got to be careful of is the mob mentality which has been in swing since Obama won in Iowa and which is now at a fever pitch this mob mentality.  And, the mob has been yelling and sreaming for HRC to GET OUT! And, the mob mentality voices are drowning out the rational voices and will march us all over the cliff of insanity if this doesn't stop.

    HRC stays in this race because she's earned it just as he has although I know some will refute that about him. Mostly because of his winning so many caucuses and how he was awarded more delegates in those caucuses (the most undemocratic system) which represented a paucity of popular votes compared to HRC who was awarded  fewer delegates but won a huge amount in the popular vote.  And, then, HRC won less delegates than Obama in a State like Texas although she won there.  That is Alice in Wonderland to the ne plus ultra if ever there was a ne plus ultra.  Is it any wonder why so many of us are angry and disillusioned and add to that the horrific behavior from many quarters towards HRC and her supporters.  I'll never forget that.  Never.

    In the 2000 POTUS GE in Florida, democracy took a sucker punch to the guts and was weakened considerably and has yet to recover since it continued to get sucker punched over the last seven years including during these primaries.  The Forth Estate was supposed to act like the forth branch of the gov, the real watchdog over abuse of power, etc.  The Forth Estate is now mostly an outhouse because most have now become threats to our democracy as they have become open advocates of one candidate over another.  Who is their watchdog but us?

    How do we boot them out?  By not buying their newspapaers, tuning into their broadcasts (Keith Olbermann is sick and for him to actually believe he's Murrow is evidence of just how mentally unhinged this man is), not clicking on their blogs, etc.  

    These cheap, malicious, seriously mental and woefully overpaid morons have been largely responsible for the rancid, toxic political atmosphere because of their morbid hatred of everything Clinton especially HRC.  

    What she has endured from these parasites and what she has endured from her own party and the crowned Elmer Gantry, Obama and many of his supporters on blogs and on the stump has been unseemly and herculian in it's scope.  And, she's come out on the stronger end of it all.  She's more than survived she's thrived and become a great candidate whose voice speaks for so many of us and whose voice is so eloquent and scary smart.  She's got what it takes to be the leader of the free world and she is the only one now who can lead us out of the serious mess we're in, domestically and internationally.  She's the only one.  

    I'm a woman and her being a woman is the ribbon on top.  I'm not voting for her because she is a woman but because she is the most qualified person running in decades to be POTUS and I believe she will be one of the great President's.  And, this is a statistical tie between her and Obama and she shouldn't stop.  To stop now and throw that away and in this most precarious time in our history is not only foolhardy but a tragedy for our country and the world. And, she loves her country and is running for POTUS because she has the better ideas and wants to make it better for us.  It's not for the power alone.  And, with due respect, that is how I feel about Obama based upon his quick rise to the "top".   That he has no basic principles, will go with the wind, or changing wind and wants power for power sake and not to use his power for the good of us.

    HRC stays in and fights as she has been doing and I'm there to support her all the way into the convention if need be.  And, historically she will not be setting a precedent.  The only reason she is being treated differently with all the catcalls and whining babies yelling and nipping at her to leave the contest is because she's not got a Y chromosome and most of us know it.

    The rampant sexism thrown at her and us as women and the men who have been offended by it, will come back to haunt this country as the world is watching us very closely and how she has been treated.  Some in the British press have already commented on this.  And, the DNC sat back and still sits back and says not a word.  They will pay for this silence.  

    Some have said that the high percentage of HRC's supporters who said they won't vote for Obama in Nov should HRC not win the Dem nom will come back into the fold as they have before.  These pundits and the DNC and Obama supporters who are the reasonable ones (and have not behaved like the mob did) who are calling for unity and think there will be a coming together are wrong.  This Democratic Party schism is very different and more bone deep from what happened in the last two elections. And I'm afraid the vast majority who said (possibly in the heat of the moment) that they wouldn't vote for Obama (not because they are racists which has been the red herring and shamelessly has been played up more than it deserved while the sexist hits kept on hitting)will not vote for him in Nov should he be the nominee.  

    What happened here goes way beyond hurt feelings and licking wounds.  Way beyond.

    One thing that would go a long way in healing that political schism is for Obama to agree to have the votes in Florida and Michigan, the popular votes and delegate counts stand as is before he and his chorus in the media (old and new) and in the DNC once again declare him the  winner.  Count the votes before June 3rd or on June 3rd.  

    Be that as it may, I remember like someone just hit me with an anvil, I remember the night of the Nov 2000 election thinking Gore had won and then it was taken away from him like bad magic.  And, then the horrific weeks that followed and the GOP clean-cut thugs banging on the doors where people were counting votes.  That image is apoxied to my brain.  

    And, then we got Bush 2.  Never again.  And, the DNC should be now be ashamed for what they did to Florida and Michigan but especially Florida because they too should have had in the back of their collective heads "never again" will our Dem voters be disenfranchised because we are not the GOP.  We stand for all votes being counted.  Kind of hits them in their arses now doesn't it?  But, I'll give them a chance to regroup and think right and on May 31st to at long last decide to count all the votes as is, votes that were State certified as legitimate and true.

    It's ironic that the May 31st vote comes a little less than one week after the HBO film "Recount" airs tonight.  I hope the DNC and all parties involved in this and all of us who care deeply about our country and the fate of democracy in our country watch this film and remember what happened and what the GOP did to the Dems.  And, now it could happen once again this time Dem on Dem.  I can't imagine they will let it go that far.  And, if they do, they will have lost much more than many, many core Dems.  Much, much more.


    twistunderstanding (none / 0) (#72)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:54:17 PM EST
    taking your opponents words and deliberately misunderstanding / twisting them to mean something evil.

    Fighting Dem. (5.00 / 15) (#18)
    by LarryInNYC on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:44:06 AM EST
    I find it ironic how many people in the blogosphere are always decrying the lack of "fighting Dems" and how upset they are when they finally get one.

    so much (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:14:28 AM EST
    for the reputed death of irony. great point.

    What a novel thought:- competing. (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:56:20 PM EST
    "I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee."

    So,pushing ones opponent off the race-track does not heal theParty?

    Who knew?


    Maybe they're afraid she'll (5.00 / 0) (#82)
    by MarkL on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:34:52 PM EST
    hit Precious's glass jaw in the melee.

    Gasp! (none / 0) (#87)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:33:29 PM EST
    "Are you advocating violence against Obama!!?!?!?! She should punch him, now, instead of shoot him?!?!"

    This episode of "Think Like an O-Blogger" brought to you by Unity Ponies.



    In between (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Lil on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:55:24 AM EST
    DVR's cartoons for the kids, I caught a minute of "news". Some panel saying by mid June she concedes. they were all very sure of themselves. Now everytime I hear HRC she sounds confident, but everyone (just about, with few exceptions) says it's over, which...nevermind; I have no idea what I think anymore. I do b elieveshe's a fighter though; think what she could do for our country bringing that to the Whitehouse. She does seem to have the "spine" so many of us screamed for from Dems for a really long time. cursing now.

    Sports (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Coral on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:51:13 PM EST
    I've seen tennis matches where it was down to game/set/match point, and the near-loser turned it around to win.

    Baseball, same thing.

    Highly unlikely, but possible.

    Play every point with all your heart. Athletes do that every day.

    Sometimes, against all odds, you win.


    Have you all seen Homind views? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by masslib on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:01:08 AM EST
    They give Hillary a 99.99% chance of beating McCain.  Sort of bolsters her point about being the best candidate to go against McCain, no?

    not just them: (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:03:02 PM EST
    electoral-college.com now has her winning the WhiteHouse with

    waitforit....319 electoral votes to McCains 202!

    You need 270 to win the GE. Hominidviews.com gives her a 99% chance to win now.

    Hmmm....It was about the states that matter after all.

    Who knew?


    let's be constructive (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Lupin on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:12:21 AM EST
    Can we construe Sen. Clinton's last quoted paragraph as a clear signal that, if she doesn't get the nomination after all, by her own recognition of course, all of us should rally around Sen. Obama? (Or vice-versa of course.)

    I'm going to guess... (5.00 / 7) (#50)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:16:04 AM EST
    that's what she'd like to see...but no doubt recognizes that for many, it's going to be unlikely.

    Opinion is validly divided on what her (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by Valhalla on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:56:46 PM EST
    support for him should mean.

    Initially I thought all the Obama-swooning was just a rock-star/Jesus Christ Superstar phenomenon.  But now I lean toward the narrative peeping out around the edges lately that this goes far beyond that, to a real rift between the 'new' smartmouth side of the party and the 'old' stalwarts.  

    It's become a fight about who the party will fight for.

    If that's true, then I can't support BO because to me, it's the same as saying it's ok to tell the groups left out of the new coalition, sayanora.

    But I do understand the opposite view, that the only way to head off the 'new' takeover is to stay in and fight like hell against it from the inside.  History has many examples of both -- change from within and change from without.  Honestly, since we're smack in the middle of this, I can't tell which is right.  I just know which one I can do and which one I can't.

    I think the only way to get Obama and the party leaders to understand the badness of what they've done is by a big shock, ie, losing the unlosable election.  Which is why I disagree with BTD's comment in the previous thread that supporting McCain is 'unforgivable.'

    Btw, definitely speaking for me only.


    won't happen here... (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by hilldemgoneindie on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:12:39 PM EST
    i love hillary clinton. i think she's a freakin' goddess. i would follow her to the ends of the earth. HOWEVER... i will not blindly vote for obama if she asks me to, because that's what i would have to be - blind. and stupid. i would have to shut off my mind and blindly vote for someone who is WRONG for my country. now, having said that, i don't believe hillary believes she will have to ask me to vote for obama. she is not stupid, her husband is a a two-term former president who was not the preferred nominee of the party bosses, and he is not stupid. they would not be in this now if they didn't think she would win. THEREFORE, i know i will not EVER have to cast a vote for obama, nor will i have to debate about casting a vote for mccain, because hillary will be the democratic nominee AND the first woman potus.

    Stay in!!! (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by rhae on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:30:09 AM EST
       None of Hillary's supporters want her out of this race until all of the key issues with Florida, Michigan, and super delegates are decided. I don't think the candidates have caused this problem.  The DNC is responsible for this mess and they have taken their sweet time to address these issues at Senator Clinton's expense.  If all of the votes in those states are not counted then the party can count "me and mine" out.  We will vote for McCain before we will accept any decision that leaves those states unrecognized and uncounted. The press is so fixed on the "math" WELL SO ARE WE.  Count all of the votes!

    Hillary ran the DNC? (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by RalphB on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:03:29 PM EST
    Gee you better tell her about it, as I'm sure she'd want to know what went wrong.  You are delusional.

    I'm sure Kerry is quite shocked (5.00 / 7) (#60)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:37:49 AM EST
    by all this.  I suspect the weight that the DNC, Obama, and the press are putting on Clinton would have driven him out of the race eons ago.

    But Clinton?  She's actually a strong person as well as a strong candidate, a notion that is quite hard for these people to grasp..

    Keep going, Sweetie! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by deathofrock on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:07:11 PM EST
    LOL, just had to use that ofe's condescending language against them.

    She needs to stay in to win! I think she'll do it. She's the most resourceful person I've seen.

    Such a winner. If she is our candidate, we're going to sweep the states. I think she'll bring the whole south into play. TN, GA, KY, AR, NC, SC. and that other state where votes don't count.

    GO HILLARY and go TalkLeft! I love this blog:)

    She'll stay in until she win the nomination. (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by feet on earth on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:23:08 PM EST
    Love it.  

    She did not say "until he is the presumptive nominee", which I take to mean until the convention vote(s).

    Rise Hillary, RISE.  

    She will finish the race (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:42 PM EST
    It is one of the most difficult things to attempt to teach your children without demonstrating it to them, preaching dedication really doesn't cut it.  What a wonderful role model she is.  No matter what happens, she's one of my heros.

    Until they wake up (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by chopper on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:08:54 PM EST
    She's running until the supers wake up and smell the coffee.  Listen to this audio to see how badly Obama is really doing and how screwed up the DNC is.  It's outrageous.


    This is Perfect (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by facta non verba on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:01:19 PM EST
    It strikes just the right tone. This is on message!

    Fanatastic (5.00 / 0) (#88)
    by rnibs on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:00:55 PM EST
    I was a little worried that it might end too soon.  It means I have to donate more $, but it's totally worth it.  Go Hillary.

    my comment got deleted? (none / 0) (#4)
    by andreww on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:29:27 AM EST

    you mischaracterized what she said (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:32:39 AM EST
    what you wrote was false and it was not what she said.

    I am glad you clarified that (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:35:31 AM EST
    that is a basis for deletion. Many have argued the point with me.

    BOOHAY! (none / 0) (#12)
    by tek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:38:52 AM EST

    She must stay (none / 0) (#14)
    by pammc on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:39:00 AM EST
    in, till all have voted. Then ON TO THE CONVENTION.  GO HILLARY GO.

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? (none / 0) (#16)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:41:21 AM EST
    This isn't over until Hillary says it's over.

    If Ron Paul can take it to the convention, so can Hillary.

    the silliness... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:44:36 AM EST
    of your comments never ceases to amaze me. Typical Obamaniac "wit."

    As opposed to (none / 0) (#20)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:47:07 AM EST
    echo chamber reverberations?

    ah... (none / 0) (#22)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:47:49 AM EST
    so you have a purpose here: a mission! Thanks.

    You're welcome (none / 0) (#24)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:49:17 AM EST
    Glad to be of assistance.

    German's bombing Pearl Harbor? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by wingman2007 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:49:09 AM EST
    You are not doing your candidate any justice.

    Sorry, I was on a roll (none / 0) (#26)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:52:03 AM EST
    Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

    Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans?

    Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he's rolling.

    Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... [thinks hard] the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! [runs out, alone; then returns] What happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer -

    Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

    Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.

    D-Day: Let's do it.

    Bluto: LET'S DO IT!!


    Ummm... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:09:18 AM EST
    The Animal House guys?

    After that speech, they went out and won the battle.


    No, they didn't win--they trashed the city (none / 0) (#71)
    by daryl herbert on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:52:52 PM EST
    There's a difference.

    Please don't make any analogies between Sen. Blutarsky and Sen. Clinton.


    Is that why there's butter on your pants? (none / 0) (#61)
    by lambertstrether on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:45:09 AM EST

    Just recced your brilliant diary from Sat, Lambert (none / 0) (#79)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:17:41 PM EST

    Too bad now we real progressives cast out of dailykos have been dispersed throughout the blogosphere so there is no way to rec our best diaries, so we can all read them together.

    Also, your moderation at Corrente(needed,I know!) means it took weeks to be a trusted commenter.


    Unless I don't understand.... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Josmt on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:56:43 AM EST
    Did I just warped to an alternative world where the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? or where you just making a joke?

    An Animal House Allusion (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:02:05 AM EST
    sorry, it's a bit early in the morning for it, I know.  

    Think I'll beat Jeralyn to the punch and ban myself for the rest of the day.  Have fun guys.


    It's from Animal House... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:08:31 AM EST
    the poster was trying to make a funny.

    Course he forgot to mention that the guys won that particular battle with the administration.


    Thanks. We females are entirely (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:10:17 AM EST
    tone deaf to Animal House references. Same with the Godfather movies.

    Hmmm... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:13:06 AM EST
    FYI...am female and oddly, I get those references as well as the Cool Hand Luke ones and others.

    Maybe females "of a certain age"? (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:14:07 AM EST
    Does anyone other than me (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Dr Molly on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:20:35 AM EST
    find it not at all surprising that Obama supporters like that one memorize passages from Animal House?

    hey! (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:23:11 AM EST
    I am a man who supports HRC, and I like Animal House, too. And the Godfather movies. Let's not paint with too broad a brush, here! ;-)

    That said, his citing of Animal House in a political discussion may, in fact, tell you how this fellow thinks.


    she said she has a broader base (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:23:50 PM EST
    of support...so I guess we boomer women will have to include you Animal House reference getters too...ugh...its so hard being part of a broad coalition.

    Or did the head Sweetie call it her "broad" coalition!

    What evil lurks...


    Ha, you're right! (none / 0) (#56)
    by Dr Molly on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:27:23 AM EST
    There is one scene I've never forgotten (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by magisterludi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:33:40 AM EST
    in AH that I quote a lot lately. Scene between Otter and Pinto (Tom Hulce-Amadeus) when Pinto takes some bad advice from Otter and he responds "You f***ed up. You trusted us."

    You mean having a sense of humor? (none / 0) (#57)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:27:48 AM EST
    ok, ok, I'm done here, and yes, I am keeping my day job.

    Nope....that isn't the bad part...it's acting (none / 0) (#93)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:37:01 PM EST
    as if that is the coolest thing ever.  And there is no one in Animal House I would want to be compared to if I was Hillary.

    My mother would not get them (none / 0) (#55)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:24:40 AM EST
    but then again, she doesn't get many references to movies unless they are of the Doris Day/Paul Newman/Robert Redford as a young man period of film. Give her a Stepford reference or one from Rear Window and she's with you. Oh and pretty much anything related to Law and Order.

    She and I watched Anatomy of a Murder one night. And she was stunned to see how different the perceptions of the victim were then...and now.



    Let's see what happens when Obama does his VETS (none / 0) (#29)
    by SunnyLC on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:57:27 AM EST
    bit here on Memorial Day...

    "Yup! Obama Doing an "Invitation-Only" Event for Vets on Memorial Day...and Richardson Will Appear..."


    If it's held outside at the Veterans Park near the Bataan March Memorial, as it seems it might be, then it better be dignified. If any Obamabots crash this thing and aren't respectful, then it could really backfire.  Richardson is behind this...It is so obviously a poltical "kiss and make up" event partly because of Obama's stupid comment about how the primaries are like the Bataan Death March...so, making the day this political may also be not so nice

    Of course, the media will gloss all this over...how many in the media actually called Obama out on his insensitive comment, which was actually really disrespectful, unlike Hillary's RFK mention.

    Why the NY Daily News? (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:57:31 AM EST

    the NY Times (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Kathy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:01:27 AM EST
    only talks to her when she has her back turned--the better to stick in the knife.

    NYT front-paged the article (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:04:18 AM EST
    source by anonymous "friends of Bill Clinton."  

    Daily News (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by A little night musing on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:06:41 AM EST
    Is working-class and often progressive. (See also the editorial today, "The Hype Against Hillary") It makes sense in the context of NYC papers.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:07:59 AM EST
    She has to stay in (none / 0) (#39)
    by CE415 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    until we know more about his 20 year relationship with William Ayers, a guy who promotes social justice in the true Maoist terms that the old SDS used to follow. (Remember getting those Little Red Books from the SDS Chapters at the anti-war rallies when they wanted to overthrow the US and replace with socialism) Then there  is his education advisor's writings on Education Debt (a subset of the  Reparations dialogue)So Where does Obama stand on Social Justice as well as Reparations. A couple of his top advisors advocate these concepts.  

    You've got your radical history (none / 0) (#83)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:37:29 PM EST
    confused.  It was PL, the Progressive Labor Party, on campuses that was Maoist, not SDS.  It was a small tightly controlled group that literally took their marching orders from Mao's circle, and you could not even volunteer to join.  To have four actual PL members on a campus was considered very unusual because members were so painstakingly vetted and so few accepted.

    Who says Obama lacks (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:13:00 AM EST
    backbone.  W/i the last several weeks he has promised to both eradicate poverty in the U.S. and promised he will make sure no Vet is homeless.  

    personally (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:16:44 AM EST
    i am looking forward to receiving my Unity Pony.

    Will you let me know when you do? (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by lambertstrether on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:46:51 AM EST
    Because my Unity Pony's been on back order for some time.

    will do (none / 0) (#63)
    by dws3665 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:04:34 PM EST
    and then we can compare notes on what to feed them. i'm torn between the audacity of hope (high fiber, very little protein) and change nuggets (empty calories, but evidently they taste great). Any advice welcome.

    (sorry if O/T)


    I don't say he lacks backbone (5.00 / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:47:29 PM EST
    but I have to be honest and say that I suspect he does.  He is a grown man who is very naive about many real world things. It is only my opinion but, he likes to encourage his own naivete because he lacks backbone to deal with life in an unambiguous way.

    Unless she's going to end the war immediately... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Dadler on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:17:25 PM EST
    ...I don't know what she's staying in to do.  All the challenges she speaks of cannot be addressed without the immediate end to the murderous money siphon in Iraq.  Without that, there is nothing to spend on anything else.  Nothing.  Obama has been a mumbling, stuttering, equivocating dupe on this issue, she might as well come out and be the REAL anti-war candidate.  But I doubt she will, she's far too beholden to the "conventional wisdom" in Washington that believes, despite the fact Iraq has been invaded and murdered by the most well equipped war machine in the history of mankind, that the real mess will come when our war machine leaves.  She's a political absurdist on this issue, just as Obama is, just as all of us seem to be.

    Do you think Obama is strong enough (none / 0) (#75)
    by daryl herbert on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:02:33 PM EST
    to pull out of Iraq?

    I think the Republicans would put a great deal of pressure on him to stay, including threatening to personally blame him if he pulls out and the situation gets even worse.

    He's already compromised on so many issues.  He always gives the same excuse: that would take too much "political capital," and he'd rather do other things.  He would rather leave troops in Iraq to get Republicans off his back, and then move forward with his domestic agenda.

    He'll withdraw 1-2 brigades just for show, and he'll spin keeping the rest there as necessary for "unity" with Republicans.  Also, he will discover on January 20, 2009 that we are "winning" in Iraq, so it doesn't make sense to leave.


    the Republicans would put a great deal of pressure (none / 0) (#81)
    by dotcommodity on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:31:08 PM EST
    on either of them to stay. Duh.

    Which of them can buck the will of the Republicans?

    Hmmmmm....tough decision...

    They are the ones that brung him. He promised them the Unity Pony. How can he say no?

    Not her. She is openly partisan. She is not running after Republican votes or Unity Ponies. She is the only one with the backbone to say FU to Republicans and their wishes.


    i actually think she will. (none / 0) (#86)
    by hilldemgoneindie on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:23:31 PM EST
    when this race first began, i was skeptical about hillary and her ties to the establishment and big bizness. i was an edwards supporter for that very reason. i also didn't think she'd end the war as she claimed she wanted to - i thought it was lip service. however, as her campaign has gone on, and she's really had to fight for the nomination and in the process, met the real people, as well as make changes to her staff, i have come to believe that she will be a surprising champion to the good of this country, which means bringing a swift end to the war. hillary has become a woman of the people - i truly believe this - and the people want us out. that's why she's become such a champion of fully counting michigan and florida. of course she gains, but in my heart, i feel the driving reason is she has become the voice of the people.