Hillary and Obama Speak at NC Jefferson Jackson Dinner

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama spoke tonight at the Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner in Raleigh, NC.

Hillary has already spoken. Obama's speech is playing here right now.

More than 5,000 attended the dinner.

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    C-Span is going (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Iphie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:24:28 PM EST
    to replay it in about an hour and a half, if anyone didn't catch it but wants to. Governor Easley was losing his voice -- I wonder if that's an indication that he's been campaigning hard for Hillary.

    Obama's (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by americanincanada on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:35:39 PM EST
    speech was terrible. he was all over the place and didn't really say anything of substance. He seemed irritated to be there.

    Hillary was her usual brilliant self.

    Also, Obama was scheduled to speak first, at 7pm eastern but he was 3 hours late. I don't know why, and it forced her to speak first.

    That's interesting. (5.00 / 0) (#7)
    by Iphie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:55:22 PM EST
    I wonder why that was. I don't think it helped him at all -- none of the speakers in between the two of them were particularly riveting. I agree about his speech though -- did you catch when he suggested that the federal government should spend 10 billion/month in NC? He was trying to make a point about the amount of money we spend in Iraq -- and we was just rolling through his stump speech when he remembered he needed to mention NC.

    Hillary just seemed so much more energized, and really emphasized that when she gets knocked down, she always, always gets back up and keeps fighting -- a message that gets better the longer the campaign continues.


    One of my pet peeves with Obama (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:02:55 PM EST
    is when he talks about spending all that money we are not using in Iraq.  And I'm a liberal!  I can imagine how it sounds to Republicans and Independents.

    How about not borrowing it from China in the first place?  


    I meant 'now using in Iraq' (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:03:48 PM EST
    instead of 'not using in Iraq'

    Obama lost me (5.00 / 0) (#8)
    by stefystef on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:56:05 PM EST
    I wanted to listen through the whole speech, but he was just trying to make sound bites.  There wasn't much detail and the obligatory anti-Bush statements.

    I thought Hillary was very strong.

    Obama was strong in voice, but he didn't say anything new.  No new revelations about his plans for the immediate future.

    The Gov of NC was fired up!  So fired up, the mic couldn't handle his power LOL

    People are fired up!!!  We can't end these primaries now.  Democracy demands we go one.


    Why is it (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by Andy08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:19:42 PM EST
    that this

    Also, Obama was scheduled to speak first, at 7pm eastern but he was 3 hours late. I don't know why, and it forced her to speak first.

    doesn't surprise me.... Seems he's terrified of speaking/answering before HRC.


    I think that he finds her intimidating. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by DeborahNC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:41:36 PM EST
    Hillary is so poised, intelligent, and her knowledge of policy minutiae is amazing. The bottom line is...he is afraid of her. And, he should be, because in a one-on-one scenario she can take him down any day. (Didn't mean to sound so violent-just enthusiastic!)

    Obama hates having to answer (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:23:41 AM EST
    questions, period. It's like we're invading his right to privacy.  But, he gauges the level of his own response (or speech) on how Hillary answered.  If she says something he hadn't thought of, but it either sounded good to him or got a great response from the audience, he simply answers "I agree with what Hillary said, but I can stretch across the aisle to get it done".

    He can't remember from day to day what he said, because there is no substance to his plan and he does speak political rhetoric.  His only plan is to try to win the presidential election and that is only to satisfy some ambitious need he has for himself....it has nothing to do with the people.


    Did Obama or anyone say why he was 3 hrs late? (none / 0) (#39)
    by jawbone on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:22:20 PM EST
    Simple Instructions On How To Post A Link (5.00 / 1) (#14)
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    That would be me but (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:51:57 PM EST
    I see that my numbering sucked.  Oh well... you get what you pay for.  :)

    Sorry waldonpond I Couldn't Give You Credit (none / 0) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:52:26 PM EST
    initially. I copied your post to a text file but didn't copy who posted it. BTW thank you for the information. I often had trouble getting my links to work and this is so easy. Haven't had any trouble at all using this method.

    For some reason I have to click on (none / 0) (#38)
    by jawbone on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:19:07 PM EST
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    Now, if anyone sees where I can do this with fewer clicks, I'd appreciate learning how!

    What I'd really love is a way to have this function for every place I comment -- something in my tool bar.  Can that be done?



    I was in attendance (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Arjun on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:01:06 PM EST
    and I was SO disgusted when all of the Obama supporters booed Governor Easley. He is the democratic governor of the state of North Carolina and he decided to endorse Hillary, for which he gets booed (and not just by a few people - the entire Obama section). I was ashamed. Congressman David Price endorsed Obama, and not a soul booed him when he spoke. The same goes for Bev Purdue and Richard Moore.

    Two Obama supporters behind me even had the gall to shout at a Hillary supporter leaving after Clinton's speech "We're all democrats here!". These were the guys who booed our democratic governor... And when Barack Obama said in his speech that we can't forget that we are all Americans, the place burst into an uproar of applause. I guess Governor Easley and other Hillary supporters just aren't American.

    This scene gives me a chill (not the good kind) (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Ellie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST
    I've heard heckling at Some Function or other but this sounded dismal.

    Yeah, I heard that on the TV. (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by alexei on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:23:54 PM EST
    This is a typical Obama follower tactic.  Very reminiscent of the Republicans and their fake mob (Republican Staffers) in FL 2000.

    No matter who you support (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by RalphB on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:00:18 AM EST
    boong like that is low class behavior.  Too many now have no sense of respect or decorum.  I feel bad for their mothers.  :-)

    Yes (none / 0) (#32)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:55:46 AM EST
    it sounded like a very disrespectful affair.  I winced when I saw Hillary was going to anything with Obama, since this is typical of his crowds towards her.  

    It's also why so many caucuses reported problems this year.  The idea that intimidation is good runs strong in his campaign.


    Then when the media writes about it (none / 0) (#36)
    by ChrisO on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:14:25 AM EST
    they report that "the crowd" booed when Hillary spoke. I remeber when she made the remark about comments you can Xerox, and the Obama supporters booed. All of the chatter was about how the comment "backfired" because the crowd booed.

    Booing (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:48:07 AM EST
    is so offensive and disrespectful that initially it was viewed as a real sign of her negative factor.

    Today?  I'm sorry to say it's viewed as a real sign of the type of people and their attitude who back Obama.


    We Need To Consult A Profiler Who Can (none / 0) (#41)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:59:52 PM EST
    give us a profile on what type of person supports obama.  That would be interesting.

    Booing is something in the Obama people's dna (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by gish720 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:17:12 PM EST

    from the top down (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by DandyTIger on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:48:35 PM EST
    I hate to say it, but it's often true. When you see bad behavior in an organization, heck even in a family, it's very often coming from the top down. Doyle even put it in at least two of his Holmes stories with a comment like a dog's behavior reflects the personality of the owner. Not to say Obama followers are dogs or anything. Snark.

    ABC Andrews comments (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by karen for Clinton on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:46:55 AM EST
    He said hope and change over and over, made me wanna hurl.  But worse than that he actually said Obama is the Bill Clinton of 92 this year, the candidate of hope not fear.

    Hillary Clinton apparently isn't tied to Bill and Obama is!  A whole new level of spin but it doesn't surprise me coming from anyone who is parroting Howard the Dean of deflecting blame.

    Mi and Fl don't count but superdelegates must choose before the voters have their say. ugh.

    Booing as a Republican tactic is like shaming (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by dotcommodity on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:16:32 AM EST
    I am beginning to wonder if this is part of the campaign to intimidate the Superdelegates, that if they had the gall to support the smarter one with the more progressive Democratic domestic policy they will boo her at the convention.

    What an ugly campaign.

    Can someone explain to me (none / 0) (#2)
    by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:25:48 PM EST
    what a Jefferson-Jackson Dinner is?  I have never heard of them until this campaign season.  All I know is that they involve speeches.

    My state, at least most states (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Cream City on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:33:50 PM EST
    and maybe every state's annual big Dem Party fundraising (and backpatting) event has been called the Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner (or whatever; it's a dinner in my state), named for two Dem presidents.

    The name has changed in some states now.  Jefferson had his role in manifest destiny, but Jackson has become less popular as an image for the party as more of us have become more conscious of some of his unconscionable causes, such as the Indian Removal Act of 1830 -- an act of Congress but his initiative at his inauguration.  

    I grew up going to these.  Got to meet JFK a second time.  Otherwise, usually just a lot of gladhanding by the party regulars going for the pocketbooks.


    Thank you! (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:59:07 PM EST
    That clears it up wonderfully.  I could never tell if it was a certain group within the party, a PAC, or what was going on. I googled it once but there were so many hits on the latest speeches that I gave up.

    You met JFK twice?   I'm not worthy.  I saw Gerald Ford speak at a mall once.


    Yep, twice. He wasn't a winner yet (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Cream City on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:17:45 PM EST
    in the Wisconsin primary in 1960, the first primary then -- the one that would send him to the White House.  So when he was just this young Senator from Boston who talked funny, he came to our suburb's little village hall a couple of blocks from our house . . . and my mom was already a Dem volunteer for him, so she got us out of school to meet him.  There were fewer than 100 people there, as I recall.  Very casual, no Secret Service yet, so we got to talk with him, shake his hand, etc. (One sib went around and did it twice, and he was a twin, so JFK started joking about seeing triple.:-)

    Within weeks, of course, JFK was catapulted to stardom, and those days were over.  But it taught me to get out and meet candidates early, 'cause you just never know.  And 'cause you can get a better handle on them before they get turned over to the handlers and may get turned into something else.  Still, I've never gotten that close in such a small setting again -- except for getting 'way ahead on Hillary Clinton, when she came to town in the '90s for a gathering in a back yard here!


    I met him too - JFK (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by MichaelGale on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:38:31 PM EST
    My Dad was a Democratic County official and he took me to a rally with him where Kennedy was speaking. We sat down in front.  Afterward, my Dad took me too get a small poster signed and he just asked Frank Church for a pen and wrote his name. I am saving it for my kids.

    I got to see or meet a lot of politicians with my Father, even Republicans.

    And, in Miami, I met Hillary when her brother was running for office.  :-)

    I was just one lucky kid Democrat! Been exposed to Democratic politics since I was a baby.  Thanks Dad.


    Darn, I didn't get an autograph (none / 0) (#24)
    by Cream City on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:30:34 PM EST
    but I did get to see, for the first time, real charisma.  JFK had it.  Obama doesn't, not quite -- he's magnetic, he's got immense charm that he can  project both in person and on camera (those often don't come together).  But it's not the same thing.

    I've only seen one other with it, and it's jolting.


    Who's the one other? (none / 0) (#26)
    by alexei on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:49:29 PM EST
    Has to be Bill Clinton... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:39:23 AM EST
    I met JFK when he was in the White House, I was about 11 and it was a meet and greet for Foreign Service officers and their families. We were just back from Sweden and he had just been inaugurated. I decided then and there that I was going to marry JFK when I grew up..LOL To this day, I can see those blue eyes and that smile looking down at me.

    Bill Clinton is the only person I have ever met who had that same effect. I met him in '91 when my grandmother did a fundraiser for his first campaign for President. He has the same charm as JFK, just knocks you right over. Remember, Clinton is the man who had the Italians out in the street chanting "USA,USA!!" when he went to the Pope's funeral. Bush got booed when he appeared on the big screen. But they LOVE Bill Clinton. All he has to do is show up and talk to people, that's all. Obama's "charisma" isn't anywhere near that effective.

    Personally, I am not charmed by someone looking down their nose at me and intimating that I am not bright enough to understand more than a bunch of drivel promising hope and change without saying HOW it is going to come about. I am impressed by someone who may not have the charm of her husband, but sure as hell knows what she is talking about.

    If Obama wants votes due to his charisma, he should go on American Idol and stay the hell out of politics. In politics, it's what you can do and have done that counts, not how cute you look giving a stump speech that everyone has heard fifty times.


    Actually, it was the Dalai Lama (none / 0) (#42)
    by Cream City on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:25:18 PM EST
    Tenzin Gyatso.  An extraordinary experience -- his first trip to the U.S.  But he since has returned several times, so put his autobiography on your summer reading list, and be ready if you get the chance.

    Re Bill Clinton, I only have been in a massive arena with him, but without binoculars.  The excitement was contagious, but he was so many hundreds of feet away that even his charisma couldn't carry that far to me.  I certainly have heard from others more fortunately placed at his events, though, that he's got that elusive and indefinable quality.


    How lucky you are! (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:28:44 AM EST
    I hope kids today are getting memories like that with either Hillary or Obama. They both have a gift with people, but no one can touch JFK.  My 82 yr old aunt has had a portrait of him on her living room wall for 45 years.

    I Saw Bill Clinton On TV....Would Love To (none / 0) (#11)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:03:32 PM EST
    meet him someday and chat.  DeeDee Myers did send me a presidential photo of him when I requested one.

    Yes - that Hillary fundraiser (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:06:07 PM EST
    they did where you could win a chance to watch a debate on TV  with Bill hooked me right in.  Talk about fun!!!

    Democratic fundraisers (none / 0) (#3)
    by Iphie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:31:38 PM EST
    named for two Democratic presidents.

    I cannot believe (none / 0) (#34)
    by americanincanada on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:34:41 AM EST
    the NYT's take on last night's dinner.

    They must have been watching a different event.

    May we have another link, please, sir? (none / 0) (#40)
    by jawbone on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:25:11 PM EST
    Or, m'am? Thenkew