Jenna Bush Getting Married Today

Congratulations to Jenna Bush and Henry Hager for their nuptials today. May they find happiness together.

This is an Open Thread.

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    Poppies (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:12:46 PM EST
    I took a trip to the desert yesterday, and omigosh......the poppies in CA are HUGE and bountiful and just awesome this year.

    Truly a treat.

    We are planning to try to get to Gorman (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:03:02 PM EST
    tomorrow. Where did you go?

    Taihaichapi (none / 0) (#54)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:07:58 PM EST
    Did I slaughter the spelling there?

    Through Lancaster.  Oh...you'll enjoy it.  The size of the flowers was what amazed me this year.

    It's Poppies like Hollywood would make them.  :)


    Ann....Watch out for hitchhikers, they could be (none / 0) (#60)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:11:54 PM EST
    escaped prisoners...  :)

    Ooooh! (none / 0) (#83)
    by NWHiker on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:38:30 PM EST
    The Tehachapi loop was a high point of our road trip last summer! We got to see several trains go through  and that was just too cool.

    Drove through the pass a month ago (none / 0) (#120)
    by otherlisa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:58:30 PM EST
    My god it was gorgeous - the flowers on the hills looked like Impressionist paintings...either that or I was having a flashback of some sort...just gorgeous.

    This part sends a tingle down my leg (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by stillife on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:21:24 PM EST
    Wead said another consideration for the wedding's location is "they know that they don't own the White House, that they can't go back.

    I have one of those magnet thingies in my office counting down to 1-20-09.  When I bought it six months ago, I never dreamed I'd be so conflicted about the new occupant of the White House.  Back then, it was just "any Dem!"  

    Well (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:22:33 PM EST
    we still have the hope of a decent Democratic Congress and maybe Pelosi and Reid replaced.

    Someone gave me a BushBackwards (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Radiowalla on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:27:18 PM EST
    Countdown keychain on New Year's of '07.
    Alas, the battery ran out before his term ran out.

    My battery is pretty low, too.


    It still is any Dem, isn't it? (none / 0) (#130)
    by cardcarryingmember on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:57:10 PM EST
    This is my very first post to Talkleft. I want to open a dialog with people here. I voted for Obama (in New York), but even if Clinton had won I'd have most definitely voted for her over anyone the Republicans put up.  My main question for Clinton supporters who say they will vote for McCain over Obama is, how do you respond to the fact that McCain is anti-choice, and is overall, by his own words, a conservative Republican? Maybe I'm too stupid to get it, so please humor me here. I'm really curious how you explain this. Thank you in advance.

    Wonder How Drunk She Will Get At The Reception (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:22:10 PM EST

    That remark seems uncalled-for (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:54:01 PM EST
    to me.  Guess the honeymoon period if over b/4 the reception.

    I Agree (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:56:57 PM EST
    Not necessary and uncalled for.

    Appears Squeaky Is Following Me To Make (none / 0) (#61)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:13:39 PM EST
    sure I don't overstep her boundaries.  Do you know how to agree to disagree....that's twice today indy.

    Hahahahaha (1.00 / 1) (#70)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:18:30 PM EST
    Nice one. You overestimate your importance. But I will call you on sexist or racist comments, if that makes you feel important so be it.

    Squeaky is a he (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:36:50 PM EST
    She seems like a fine young woman. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:59:30 PM EST
    I think her wild-child days are behind her. They have gotten a lot of local coverage here and seem like a sweet couple.

    And I'll Bet (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:51:08 PM EST
    some of us raised a little hell in our youth.

    At least I hope some of us did.

    Poor Jenna was subjected to the glaring light of the national media and she didn't seem to do any more than many other kids her age.

    Presidential kids should be completely off limits.


    That may be... but we shall see. (none / 0) (#65)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:14:30 PM EST
    This was hilarious. Nice one :O) n/t (none / 0) (#111)
    by Thanin on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:41:07 PM EST
    Why? (none / 0) (#114)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:53:41 PM EST
    Must be an inside joke, or something. Do you know something that I do not know?

    I know... (none / 0) (#119)
    by Thanin on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:48:33 PM EST
    I enjoy laughing at things that mock directly mock bush or anything that involves him.

    OK (none / 0) (#121)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:10:06 PM EST
    To each his or her own.  

    If it's a good wedding.... (none / 0) (#124)
    by kdog on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:24:45 AM EST
    everybody will be feeling no pain.

    One of the fondest memories of my life was getting tapped on the shoulder during my sisters wedding recpetion, three sheets to the wind mind you, to go onstage and sit-in on drums with the band for the Creedence version of "Heard it Through the Grapevine".  Despite my inebriated state I held the beat down well enough, while my sister and her husband sang the vocals....also quite hammered themselves.


    I'd pay money (none / 0) (#128)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:42:44 PM EST
    to see that.... ;-)

    My fond memory is being fed cake by new wife and then spilling grape punch on my dress whites.. and her calmly telling me she would get them clean..

    And she did, too! She has also put up with me for almost 50 years!


    Just for fun ... (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Robot Porter on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:23:39 PM EST
    I posted in that big orangey place today.  First time in months.  People seemed genuinely mystified that anyone thinks Obama will lose in November.

    Remember in 2004 (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:26:58 PM EST
    how important the gay issue was?

    Has anyone heard Word 1 about it lately?


    That's a GE topic, not a primary (none / 0) (#22)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:41:37 PM EST
    it will be brought out if the race is too close.

    I think that's (none / 0) (#30)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:49:02 PM EST
    unfortunate, considering Obama's first major gaffe.

    ah, yes (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:51:22 PM EST
    the uncomfortable, "I'm a manly straight man" chuckle when he was talking about his HIV test during the debate.

    Biden looked so perplexed then, like, "Why are you making a joke of this?  Have you not seen the devastation your attitude has caused in the aa community?"

    Me, I was just thinking, "yep, he's that guy."


    I was referencing (none / 0) (#56)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:08:24 PM EST

    The blogs were humming after that.

    Memory loss and the "oh he didn't mean it."

    Pandering.  And the gay issue will remain unresolved.


    Ah, yes (none / 0) (#72)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:19:55 PM EST
    McClurkin.  Isn't it so nice that the gay community has so many snubs to choose from?  Newsom, the Advocate interview, McClurkin, etc.  It is a bounty!

    Hillary hasn't forgotten ;) (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:51:52 PM EST
    Speaking of Hillary, I think I may (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:53:19 PM EST
    have found the root of Obama's nastiness towards her. I was reading an article in Time called "How He Learned to Win" and found this about Obama's run against Bobby Rush..
    It fell to Bill Clinton to deliver the coup de grace. The President broke his policy of staying neutral in primaries and endorsed Rush in a glowing radio spot. When it was over, Rush piled up 61% of the vote, compared with 30% for Obama. He lost the most heavily black wards by more than 4 to 1. The race was called before Obama could even make his way to a would-be victory party at the Ramada Inn in Hyde Park. "I confess to you," he told about 50 supporters on a chilly March evening, "winning is better than losing."

    You see?? The Clintons did him out of the Congressional office he wanted. Therefore they must be evil. Or something. I can't follow the Obama logic, I outgrew that sort of thinking when I was about 7 years old.

    I just thought it was an interesting facet of Obama's career. Especially the fact that he had no clue that he was losing and was going to a victory party. Ooops!! The article is interesting, if somewhat worshipful in places.


    Is it still the case that polling shows (none / 0) (#68)
    by Get 27 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:17:18 PM EST
    Obama supporters will vote for Clinton if she were the nominee more than Clinton supporters will vote for Obama in the General Election?

    My basic reason for not wanting Clinton as the nominee is that I don't like the legacy factor. That said, I consider the possibility of Clinton vs. McCain, and I would vote for Hillary in the General Election.

    Sure, Kos has a lot of Obama supporters, but I doubt many of them are posting that they would vote for McCain if Hillary got the nomination. Remember the "Left" in TalkLeft? Aren't we all here because we're sick of the right?


    When I Still Read DKos (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:34:23 PM EST
    there were quite a few people who said they wouldn't vote for Hillary. Whole diaries on that subject IIRC.

    Still? That has certainly (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:36:12 PM EST
    "been diaried."

    Some of the remarks they make and have (none / 0) (#74)
    by Florida Resident on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:26:02 PM EST
    made about Clinton make me believe that they don't say it (afraid to admit it in public) but if they really feel that way about her no they won't vote for her.  Specially if they are independentsl.

    my gawd.... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by p lukasiak on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:26:32 PM EST
    I wnat to know who's decision it was not to make this a media circus.

    Its gotta be someone on his side of wedding.... the Bushes have never displayed any kind of taste at all.

    As I said, (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:28:56 PM EST
    it's more a reflection of Bush's pathetic popularity.

    Still, I wish them luck.  They'll need it.


    I wish anyone getting (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Rhouse on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:32:42 PM EST
    married the best of luck in the new relationship they're starting.  It's never easy, and to be honest getting married into a political family will always carry extra baggage.  Just think what it will be like having George W. as a grandfather and Cheney as that crazy uncle in the upstairs attic.

    A lot of crazy uncles (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:35:24 PM EST
    from Fred Thompson to Uncle Karl Rove.  The mind reels -- and realizes that the girls turned out better than might have been hoped with that family!

    Where would we be today (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Saul on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:35:21 PM EST
    if you could start the primaries all over right now.   I think after the primaries would be over with, I doubt very seriously that Obama would be the leader in the nomination process today, especially knowing what we know about him right now. I think many voters if they could vote over again would not vote for Obama and would vote for Hilary.

    Maybe they need to start some polls in all the sates that have voted to see if voters that voted for Obama now regret their vote and wish they had it back.  

    Let's think about this: (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:49:13 PM EST
    If FL and MI had counted, we'd be saying, "hey, wouldn't it be great if that Obama guy tried again when he had a little more experience under his belt?"

    I think he'd get just about as far into the race (none / 0) (#96)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:07:08 PM EST
    as he did this time before we all would start saying he's an empty suit. He really isn't presidential material, and I no longer think it's just inexperience.

    Don't think (none / 0) (#21)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:40:23 PM EST
    so since his core group is pretty much settled.

    Wisconsin?  It's always been a bit flukey.

    I think I knew pretty much the whole story by SC, to be honest.

    It's not surprised me a bit how it's played out.


    Iowa and SC spoke and answered each other... (none / 0) (#55)
    by NWHiker on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:08:21 PM EST
    I think I knew pretty much the whole story by SC, to be honest.

    SC was the "yup" moment for me as well, though as soon as he won Iowa, I remember realising that we were in for trouble, and that he was going to get the nomination. I only listen to NPR and even their jubilation at his win made it pretty clear that Clinton and Edwards were going to lose it.

    For a tiny bit I hoped Edwards would make it, but then came NH and Clinton's win, and then... well, anyhow, it was pretty clear that the media wanted the AA vs woman horse race.

    What shocked me, Edwards supporter that I was (sigh...) was how sad I was after Iowa: Clinton is, I think, one of the best women America has to offer... and even she can't win. The sadness was what led me eventually to support her after Edwards dropped out. Not that Obama was ever on my list... from the very start he was running about even with Mike Gavel... Gravel?


    It's not over. (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:10:15 PM EST
    But thanks for your concern.

    I desperatly hope you're right! (none / 0) (#64)
    by NWHiker on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:14:03 PM EST
    At this point, I can't allow myself to hope... I just close my eyes, ignore the amounts on the credit card bill, and click away.

    Yes Gravel (none / 0) (#100)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:12:47 PM EST
    I had Obama as number seven of eight (Gravel nbr 8). In other words of no consideration.  I was bummed that anyone with so thin a resume would deign to run.  I thought perhaps he was simply putting his name on the national stage to gain recognition for future efforts.

    Obama is up on Clinton by about 8 points in CA (none / 0) (#108)
    by andrewwm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:06:29 PM EST
    and also ahead of her in NJ. Buyer's remorse?

    For the first time since he was elected in 2000 (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:36:46 PM EST
    I saw GWB as a person when the news showed him getting on the plane to go to his daughter's wedding. I atually had to fight tears.

    These milestones in the lives of our children are moments that, I believe, every one of us experience exactly the same. It's a very special day for the Bush family.

    Yes it is.... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:40:15 PM EST
    ...apparently Jenna is moving into my neighborhood, though. That will be a bit strange.

    Didn't realize you are from Baltimore, neighbor. (none / 0) (#43)
    by honora on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:57:47 PM EST
    yep, only been here for 5 months but.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:05:29 PM EST
    ...I love it. Used to live in the DC suburbs. This is my semi-empty nest home.

    That happened to me (none / 0) (#27)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:46:45 PM EST
    when Reagan died, and I saw those awful pics of Nancy grieving...and then the repubs started talking about how they wanted to put his face on money, and I thought, "they should put it on food stamps for all the people he drove into poverty."  And then I thought of all my friends who wasted to death from AIDS while Reagan didn't bother to even utter the word, and tacitly supported the notion that gay men deserved to die this awful, wrenching death by simple virtue of the way they were born.  And then it seemed fitting that Reagan died of pneumonia, like so many of those AIDS patients, and so many of those mentally ill people he effectively kicked out of hospitals to cut the fed budget so that the rich could get richer and the poor could get poorer, and sicker, and more despondent.

    Funny, it was then that I didn't feel so bad for her anymore.


    Wow (1.00 / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:52:52 PM EST
    And then it seemed fitting that Reagan died of pneumonia,

    And what death would you pick for yourself? Termimal nastiness?


    You have no idea (1.00 / 0) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:56:41 AM EST
    what I have.

    You continue to define yourself by agreeing with someone who thinks that someone died by choking on their own fluids.

    It is a terrible death, the patient gasping for air while the doctors try to force enough oxygen into their lungs to stop the heart from running faster and faster until it literally tears itself apart.


    Your nastiness (1.00 / 0) (#134)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 13, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM EST
    keeps showing.

    Keep digging.


    Well, google away (1.00 / 0) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 13, 2008 at 05:20:55 PM EST
    In the meantime I don't have to google to find you insulting our military and then your ankle biting when called on it.

    And I don't have to google to see you agree that Reagan should have died of pneumonia... it's in this thread.

    BTW - Remember your attempts to not make spelling/typing mistakes by deliberately doing so?

    Re: CA Sues Drug Companies (none / 0) (#21)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:49 PM EST

    I'vee non ideea watt youre psico babblingg aboutt, PPJay, butt youre barkking upp thee wrongg treee, eye'm phine, howard u thiss beutiful morninning?

    Keep digging DA. You're looking worse all the time.


    tehehe (1.00 / 0) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:19 AM EST
    In case the news hasn't reached CA, Bush isn't running and McCain is neck and neck with Obama.


    Because the Demos have been in charge, and the economy is going to hell in a handbasket.

    Just yesterday the Demo Senate stopped another attempt by the Repubs to increase oil supply and lower prices by drilling off shore and in ANWAR.

    Tell me, DA. Why do the Demos want to bankrupt our citizens with high energy prices and destroy the country?


    I see that (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by Edger on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:08:55 AM EST
    PPJ is still hoping against all hope that someday, somehow, someway, he'll find someone here at Talkleft stupid enough to think he's making sense.

    I don't think he's stupid enough to believe that anyone else really could be that stupid though, so his forlorn hopes must stem from delusion.


    Well, troll Edger shows up (1.00 / 0) (#142)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:54:15 PM EST

    You deny it? (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Edger on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:31:05 AM EST
    Deny what? That you are a troll? (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:19:35 AM EST
    How can I deny what we all know?

    Edger - Here they are (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 09:02:10 AM EST
    Lie? Here they are. I just copied them.
    Edger, you need help.
    (Comments shown on original)

    Oh yes, right Jim. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 09:29:23 AM EST
    I remember now. .....
    Edger (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 10:14:11 AM EST
    So, you call me a liar and when proven wrong you don't apologize, you just make an excuse...
    Whatever, Jim (none / 0) (#130)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 10:19:08 AM EST

    Yeah (none / 0) (#154)
    by Edger on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:07:36 AM EST
    I'd avoid the questions like the black plague too, were I you, ppj...

    A ha and a ho (1.00 / 0) (#141)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 14, 2008 at 01:53:13 PM EST
    It was the lure of America, the shining city on a hill, that brought his black Kenyan father here,

    And he promptly fathered a child, left it to be taken care of by someone one else and ran back to Kenya.

    Now that's a story of the American Dream, eh??

    Facts be facts. The Demos seized control announcing they were going to fix everything. They have fixed nothing. Since they arrived on scene in Jan 07 gas prices have went straight up to near $4.00 a gallon, the stock market has been like a yo-yo, inflation is starting to spin out of control, people are losing their homes in record numbers.....

    Yes, facts be facts and the Demos can't hide.

    What they have done is ignore the speculators ripping off the American public, prevent drilling for oil in the US, prevent building the first new refinery in 30 years, block extension of the FISA bill to allow effective investigation of terrorists and try unsuccessfully to stop supporting our troops.

    You will get to see a lot of the above.



    My my you do ramble on... (1.00 / 0) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:58:37 PM EST
    The facts are as I laid them out. If you desire to make excuses, please do so, but the excuses change nothing.

    As for FISA, as we all know, the issue is welfare for lawyers who want to sue the telecom providers who jumped in there and helped defend the country.

    The Senate passed an acceptable bill. The Demo controlled House bent over for the lawyers. My congrats to the Demos for showing us that they care more for contributions than they do for the safety of the country.

    Facts be facts, eh??



    hehoha (1.00 / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:12:31 PM EST
    You write about me:
    as well as taking on the roll of the self-appointed judge of who hates the military

    Actually I just present the facts and let the world decide. You wrote:

    by Dark Avenger on Wed Sep 12, 2007 at 12:59:30 AM EST

    ...People will think either I'm crazy or used to be in Naval Aviation, and I don't know which one is worse.

    Unfortunately for you, the vast majority can read and understand the insult.

    And your defense of Nancy's demonstrated love of lawyers goes no place. The Senate passed a bill satisfactory to all, and she rejected it. That says it all, your arguments are just fluff, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing..."

    Or as we say down home, "The hit dog always yelps."

    tata DA. Please keep digging. Your old material is boring me.


    hiho (1.00 / 1) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:10:17 AM EST
    Don't know how it shows a love of lawyers,

    Yes, I know you don't know. That's evident.

    And facts be facts. The Senate passed a bill that both sides could work with. Pelosi is blocking it because it gives the telecom companies immunity from being sued.

    In the meantime we have reduced our effectiveness in monitoring and following terrorists by 95%.

    You and Nancy should be proud. When the next attack comes will you and Nancy hold your hand up, look the American people in the eye and say, "My bad?"

    Yadda yadda, DA. And please, you are boring me. Yawn.....


    Yeah, sincere congrats (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jfung79 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:43:36 PM EST
    Sincere congrats to the happy couple.  After Jenna's comments on Larry King where she said she was open to all the presidential candidates regardless of party and said good things about Chelsea, I really like her.

    Put yer money (for women employees) (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:43:56 PM EST
    where yer mouth is -- that's one of the ways I measure whether someone seriously supports women's issues, such as the Equal Pay Act of 1963 so gutted by our Supreme Court . . . and not restored by Congress in the recent vote.  

    So how do the candidates do on paying women staffers?  I suppose that some here will not be surprised, nor was I, that Obama's women staffers are the worst off in the offices of all three.  See this analysis that says:

    [F]emale employees did better working on the Senate staffs of John McCain and Hillary Clinton during the latest public reporting period than they did working for Barack Obama, [as]  determined through an analysis of payroll data published by the Secretary of the Senate.

    McCain and Clinton also employed more female than male staffers, while Obama employed more males than females. . . .  McCain and Clinton had more female than male staffers making six-figure salaries, while Obama had more male than female staffers making six-figure salaries. . . .

    Interesting (none / 0) (#28)
    by bjorn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:48:29 PM EST
    do they take experience into consideration?  I guess I should just go read the analysis since you provided the link...thank you.

    Why is this... (none / 0) (#112)
    by Thanin on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:50:04 PM EST
    concern being limited to female employees?  How many Native Americans are any of the campaigns hiring?  Or Asians?  Or Muslims?  Buddhists?  

    These selfish concerns are why democrats cant unite.


    Good question. Ask the source (none / 0) (#115)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:19:52 PM EST
    and see that the analysis is based on public records, so if those records ask and include race, ethnicity, creed, etc., such other questions can be answered, too.

    One of the problems is... (none / 0) (#118)
    by Thanin on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:36:21 PM EST
    the way you present it, youre suggesting that Obama has some problem with women by hiring fewer than the others and paying them less.  So by that logic, if HRC has the least amount of Asians hired, does that mean she has something against them and will work against their interests politically?

    It seems that your problem is (none / 0) (#122)
    by Cream City on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:29:09 AM EST
    that it's not the story you wanted written.

    I didn't write the story.  I relayed it as written.  Again, take it up with the source of the story.  The link is there for you.


    Battleground Reps Letter to SD's (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:55:41 PM EST
    Really great letter and support for Hillary to the SD's. I'm glad to see a group of her SD's take this stand. From all I saw yesterday, the SD's are replying very rudely to citizens who are trying to sway their votes.

    An interesting AP article (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:57:19 PM EST
    today about Carter's new book about his mother, who served in the Peace Corps for two years in her late sixties.  She also threw away her prepared remarks often when he sent her off the state funerals, etc.  Lots of good vignettes.  Propably also accessible via Newsday on line.

    Tricia Nixon's husband (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by camellia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:03:55 PM EST
    is a corporate lawyer in New York.  

    My impression (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:13:52 PM EST
    is that she's a great girl.  She didn't pick her parents.

    I wish the happy couple the very best.

    Ya'll have to go read Sugar's latest. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:32:09 PM EST
    Hysterical! I love that chick!


    No, I'm not even attempting to link here.

    AB Stoddard on (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by bjorn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:48:05 PM EST
    Geraldo (I know, I was channel surfing) said that Kennedy never would have said what he said about Clinton and the VP spot unless there was a certain level of exhaustion and "disgust" with the Clintons and their tactics....she continued, he never would have said that unless this was the widespread feeling throughout the party.

    Okay, what about the 16 million people who have voted for her.  Who the hell is the dem party if not the voters?  I used to like AB Stoddard, but I didn't know she did shows like Geraldo, I thought she was an MSNBC person.  I guess the party is Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy.

    Obama and the May 20th date (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:42:15 PM EST
    I noticed this on Jake Tapper:

    UPDATE: The Obama campaign says that despite Obama saying on May 20 he may make the claim that his team has the most runs and "we've won," he was not talking about winning the nomination, but rather winning an "important metric" -- pledged delegates.

    LOL ;-0.  So they've obviously postponed the making of the flightsuit.

    Wow (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:12:10 PM EST
    Quite the political marriage. It reminds me of english royalty.

    The Hagers are Repub royalty here. :( (none / 0) (#3)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:15:29 PM EST
    Well this is interesting (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:17:51 PM EST
    "The Bushes are very private. It's a time of war; it's at a time of economic struggle. ... And this president has high negatives right now. ... It's much more of a low-key event," Wead said.
    One remembers Robb and Johnson.

    Good luck to them, those silly Republicans!

    I read somewhere (none / 0) (#6)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:21:31 PM EST
    about comparisons to Alice Roosevelt's wedding.

    They're private?  Hilarious.

    I don't think Bush is popular even among the elite in DC.

    Alice Roosevelt Longworth (none / 0) (#14)
    by Radiowalla on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:30:52 PM EST
    is responsible for a very famous quote:

     "If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me. -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth"


    Olympia (5.00 / 0) (#99)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:12:06 PM EST
    Dukakis used that quote in "Steel Magnolias". It was one of the best scenes.

    Bobby Kennedy (none / 0) (#102)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:19:05 PM EST
    called her an old bag.

    she's so cute (none / 0) (#23)
    by Josey on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:41:42 PM EST
    hope they release some pics of the wedding.

    BTD posting about Jenna Bush's (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:43:38 PM EST
    wedding?  Very amusing.

    FYI:  AP has an article up today about the government's brief on the subpoenas for Miers et al.  Now that is an interesting topic.

    Well, it's a relief to (none / 0) (#29)
    by camellia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:48:49 PM EST
    hear this:

         "they know that they don't own the White House, that they can't go back."

    Phew!  And even the blue-blooded Henry Hager might have a problem if he were thinking of making a WH run at some time, because the Old Dominion is showing nasty tendencies of going -- Democratic!  A Dem Governor, a Dem Senator, and a very good chance that there will be a second Dem Senator in November.

    But -- I do wish them luck.  Jenna seems a little young and silly, but there doesn't appear to be malice in her.    

    Isn't she working in the Teach America (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:49:53 PM EST
    program in D.C. area?  Gutsy, I'd say.  

    Yeah, she's doing her two years of service (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:56:08 PM EST
    like Laura did when she was a librarian for a couple of years, then a teacher for one before she ran screaming from the building.  I don't know any librarian who doesn't dry heave when they hear that "Laura Bush used to be a librarian."

    It's sort of like Obama's foreign policy experience, or his three years as a "community organizer" to a community who, in 1999, had no idea who he was.

    Or those three years of ballet I took when I was twelve meaning I used to be a prima ballerina.  


    Do you have (none / 0) (#42)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:57:21 PM EST
    some verification of that?

    And what do you mean by gutsy? She had SS protection if she actually showed up.


    Here's link, but she may not have (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:10:51 PM EST
    been in Teach America program.  She co-taught 3rd grade at a charter school in the D.C. area.  Half the profits from a book she and her mother wrote went to Teach America program.  

    Um... (none / 0) (#63)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:13:58 PM EST
    She co-taught 3rd grade at a charter school in the D.C. area.

    For how long?


    About a year and a half. (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:18:39 PM EST
    Then she went to Latin America for UNICEF program.



    oculus (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:25:05 PM EST
    your Bush girl knowledge is starting to freak me out.

    But, I must correct folks here: neither she nor Laura "wrote" any of their books.

    It's funny, because y'all are reminding me of something I heard back in 99 when Bush, Jr was building steam.  I talked to a bookseller (Uncle Jack's?) in Kennebunkport who said he'd seen every single one of the Bush family in and out of his store for years buying up all kinds of books...that is, all of them except for George, Jr.

    It was then that I knew Shrub was beyond redemption.


    I read an interview of Jenna Bush in (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:30:13 PM EST
    NYT about her experience teaching 3rd grade.  And, of course, I just googled her also.  She is not as party devoted as her sister apparently.

    you've got a picture of her (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:31:28 PM EST
    by your bed, don't you?

    Ha. I just say give credit (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:32:19 PM EST
    where appropriate, and I think it is appropriate to acknowledge her accomplishments to date.

    Oculus (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:55:00 PM EST
    I find it virtuous to look for good things to say about people.  I am really, really trying to do that in case you know who is the nominee.  And I agree, no need to put the father's sins on the children.  There is room for grace.  Good for you.  

    Shirley, (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:40:49 PM EST
    you're not serious.

    And she wrote a book about HIV (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:17:10 PM EST
    from her experiences as a UNICEF intern. Got a problem with that, too? Give the girl a break! She didn't choose him as her dad-just an accident of birth.

    She wrote a book? (none / 0) (#87)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:47:03 PM EST
    About HIV?

    Two New GOP Ads (none / 0) (#35)
    by facta non verba on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:53:01 PM EST
    The RNC has released two new ads to run in battleground states (including CA). The first one tags Obama as either inexperienced/out of touch while the second hits him on flip flops over the gas tax holiday. The GOP is going after the working class with these ads.

    Empty Rhetoric
    Gas Tax Holiday

    Empty rhetoric (none / 0) (#44)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:58:52 PM EST
    is a strong ad.

    very strong (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:02:09 PM EST
    Clinton could have run ads like this all along, but she held back because she wouldn't do that to a fellow dem.  It's a brilliant strategy for McCain because they don't care if a dem is shattered, and the worst part is that they aren't really attacks because they raise valid points.  

    God, those photos make him look like Opie Taylor's step-brother.  Why isn't Kos running a front page about how his ears have been enhanced to make him look like he's twelve?*

    *not that that's a bad thing, Andgarden


    Did you happen to notice (none / 0) (#107)
    by RalphB on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:48:16 PM EST
    the way the announcer mispronounced Barack in the ads?  A gentle way to show some disrespect which doesn't bite you back.  :-)

    Also Obama Look Like A Cardboard Cut Out (none / 0) (#109)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:08:24 PM EST
     figure in those ads. Subtle messaging??

    Ouch. Just watched it. Very strong ad. (none / 0) (#117)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:33:33 PM EST
    And that last shot of him, he just looks mean, angry.  And the shot of him while the helicopter circles, talking about the war -- he looks bored and bemused rather than like a CIC.  Ouch.  

    They have got some powerful stuff coming still.  And none of it needs to be swiftboating; he's given them all the material they need.  And more to come.


    Ouch! (none / 0) (#47)
    by bjorn on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:00:20 PM EST
    I thought it would have been fair game for Clinton to do this on the gas tax, I don't think she did though.  

    She couldn't campaign (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM EST
    or say anything without getting called a racists by the mob.

    McCain is going to say everything we've been thinking.  LOL*

    That's what so darn pathetic!  He's going to sound just like the traditional Democrats WISH they could have sounded like.

    I bet it's going to work, too.


    Not being a Democrat myself... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Get 27 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:37:49 PM EST
    I have to ask. Are traditional Democrats liberal? Do they consider Republicans wrong about everything? The last 7 years of Bush have pushed me solidly to the left. I'm looking to undo much of the damage that the Republicans did by having the legislative and executive branch in Democrat control. What do you think traditional Democrats really want in '08?

    Traditional (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:46:37 PM EST
    Democrats are tight-fisted, usually and expect their candidates to work for a living.  They generally want to see earmarks for their areas that generates revenue.  They look for tax breaks for the lower-paid workers and a strong support for unions that protect workers from runaway capitalism.  Social issues usually fall into the moderate category.  In other words, crime and order is fine, but locking everyone up isn't.  Equality is fine, but turning it into a kind of reverse inequality situation isn't.  Aid to people in need is fine, but not if it's a lifelong ticket to welfare.  

    They support money invested in infrastructure, education, college loan programs, etc.

    I'd say they are a practical bunch.


    American Values (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:44:31 PM EST
    What do you think traditional Democrats really want in '08?

    Same thing as you and most sane Americans who have seen their country's reputation, and economy flushed down the toilet. Your shift left must put you in the center,  which is where most democrats are today.


    Oh, baloney. (none / 0) (#89)
    by pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:49:09 PM EST
    If you're pushed leftward, it's most likely because your wallet is emptier.

    You should have been more concerned in 2000.


    I've just always been Independent (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Get 27 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:08:27 PM EST
    But I guess you could say I helped Bill Clinton by voting for Ross Perot. I voted for Nader in 2000 knowing I was in a safe state for Al Gore. Post 911, I wouldn't think of voting for a Republican, and have voted Dem ever since. If I ever had one eye on Republicans before, it was because I believed the lie that they were the party of fiscal conservatism. Well that's out the window, along with our nation's credibility, constitution, etc. I am very concerned that we don't let McCain get to the White House.

    McCain and the GOP (none / 0) (#93)
    by facta non verba on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:51:37 PM EST
    is going two routes: traditional and populist. They will go traditional in states like MO and populist in OH, MI and PA.

    In Ohio here. (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Fabian on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:07:45 PM EST
    Smart move to push populism here, though I don't believe a word of it.


    That strategy will work better against Obama than Hillary.  J-O-B-S was the way to win the Dem primary in Ohio.  Hillary understood that, Barack didn't.  If Obama doesn't get a new strategy in the GE, McCain and his buddies will poach the traditional dem base in state after state.


    But didn't an (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by Florida Resident on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:14:17 PM EST
    objective Democratic Political Analyst in CNN say that this was the new Democratic Party that they didn't need those voters?

    That "objective" analyst (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Fabian on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:24:36 PM EST
    Brazile right?

    I remember when they(Daily Kos) used to talk about how Donna Brazile should be banned from public appearances because she was a liability, as opposed to an asset to the Democratic Party.  I haven't hung around enough recently to know if they've been singing her praises since she's been assimilated.  My guess is probably yes.  


    The male announcer seems to have a problem (none / 0) (#51)
    by honora on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:03:11 PM EST
    saying Barack Obama.

    We're going to be hearing a lot of.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:10:28 PM EST
    ...um um ums in these commercials. These were on the brutal start, but I'm sure they are only getting started.

    If anyone has the stomach for it (none / 0) (#66)
    by Florida Resident on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:16:58 PM EST
    you can visit some of the hardcore Right wing blogs to get a preview of what awaits Obama if he is the nominee.

    One of the few good things about these ads... (none / 0) (#105)
    by OrangeFur on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:41:02 PM EST
    Maybe it will make people realize that the Democratic primary is hugs and kisses compared with the general election.

    Did both Nixon daughters wed (none / 0) (#37)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:54:32 PM EST
    in the White House?  I don't remember.  Or did I imagine that.  Whatever happened to them?  What a legacy to have.  Heh, at least now there is someone who was worse.  

    Julie is or was married (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:59:58 PM EST
    to David Eisenhower.  Tricia married a young man named Cox, who may be in Congress at present, or state government, can't remember.

    Lynda Bird Johnson's wedding to Charles Robb while her Dad was President:  the newspapers printed the wedding cake receipt but a crucial ingredient was omitted.  


    I remember crying at one of the (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:17:45 PM EST
    Nixon girl weddings.  I was amazed that they would do the wedding at the White House when young people were dying in VietNam.  Don't remember which of the two weddings it was.  Then I got angry.  Maybe that is why the Bush's did not do it in the White House, it would be bad form celebrating their child, when all those kids died in the war.  

    I didn't even believe in marriage.... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:35:42 PM EST
    ...when the Nixon girls got married so I could have cared less. Plus I was out in the country during my college years. No one had TVs in their rooms back then. Reception was poor and there was nothing to watch. God, I sound like an old lady.

    Dont worry about (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by camellia on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST
    sounding like an old lady -- just come over here and join me on the crones' bench -- Hillary's over here somewhere too.

    The context of the wedding (none / 0) (#94)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:51:37 PM EST
    was very strange in that time.  

    Didn't Julie just give her endorsement (none / 0) (#91)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:50:01 PM EST
    to Obama?  I saw one of the past Republican presidential daughter did, and I think it was the one who married Eisenhower.

    Tricia (none / 0) (#104)
    by cal1942 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:37:00 PM EST
    married Ed Cox who I believe is now in the financial world.

    Trica's wedding took place on the day before (Saturday) The New York Times began printing the Pentagon papers.

    That's how I remember it. His daughter married and the next day the Pentagon Papers.  The White House went berserk.


    I contrast this (none / 0) (#110)
    by sarany on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:37:46 PM EST
    with a story I heard just a day or two ago, about one of our soldiers in Iraq, on his 3rd tour or so, an older guy who was due to come home finally in July I think (the details are hazy).  

    He was just married himself in January or so, and IIRC, had a child on the way. He was killed just a week or two ago.

    I'm sorry, but I've had enough of the children of the priviledged powerful, who don't have to serve, but whose fathers send young men and women to their deaths.  Young men and women whose parents danced with their sons and daughters at their weddings.

    And for a lie, indeed for lie upon lie upon lie.  There are no words for the hypocrisy and the injustice.

    90 from my state now have died (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:28:48 PM EST
    in this war.  One from my campus, called up only weeks into her freshman year, was only days away from coming home a year later when she was killed.  She was in the military police, not in combat -- but they all end up in combat zones over there.

    So she became the first woman in the National Guard, nationwide, in more than 400 years, ever to be killed in combat.

    And please think of Michelle Witmer next week.  That's when she would have graduated from college.


    Is it just me or (none / 0) (#123)
    by BrandingIron on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:22:23 AM EST

    is it kinda creepy how much Henry looks like he could be related to Daddy?  >__>?

    Bush Wedding Planner "left Behind" ? (none / 0) (#126)
    by poljunkie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:42:41 AM EST
    does anyone know the menu 4 the wedding - was it a bbq - did the men wear cowboy boots - the large number of bridesmaides and ushers r in bad taste - except perhaps 4 very large formal affairs - but a groom in a blue suit w a baby blue tie doesn't exactly scream "formal" - I wouldn't b surprised w a new baby soon - premature birth of course - I think it was Jenna's Mom - Laura - that already has names picked out - and what was all that nonsense about the White House not belonging to them anymore - wellll  - who signed over ownership - it used to belong to all of us - but perhaps that was taken away from us when King George installed his throne room and burned the constitution!!!

    AMA position on marijuana (none / 0) (#151)
    by JakeBryant on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:04:23 AM EST
    1. "The AMA calls for further adequate and well-controlled studies of marijuana and related cannabinoids in patients who have serious conditions for which preclinical, anecdotal, or controlled evidence suggests possible efficacy and the application of such results to the understanding and treatment of disease.

    2. The AMA recommends that marijuana be retained in Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act pending the outcome of such studies.

    People really want the science to be there, but it is not yet.  While marijuana related products (marinol) have an accepted narrow medical use, marijuana as commonly understood does not except somewhat controversially for terminal patients for whom opiates have become ineffective.  Smoking marijuana will never be an accepted medical treatment for anything outside of palliative (end of life) care.

    I don't smoke pot but I also don't think its the biggest moral sin that a portion of the population does.  However, I do think advocates for legalization are no more impartial than those who make the more extravagant claims about marijuana.  The medical consensus is that
    1 - Pot causes some cognitive problems but the extent of these problems are sometimes exaggerated and the data on long term effects is mixed.
    2 - Smoking marijuana is a carcinogenic activity of greater intensity than smoking a like amount of tobacco.  Few people smoke the equivalent of a "pack a day" tobacco smoker in marijuana however.  
    3 - There is no clearly accepted medical use of marijuana in the US or internationally outside of end of life care.  There is some data suggesting it may have some application in narrow cases outside of these situations but further study is needed.

    Obama's position is the one the data supports.  Advocates for marijuana legalization twist the data in the same way that people who claim gays are more likely to molest your kids or those who claim climate change isn't real do.  They really want to believe their beliefs are supported by science, but that doesn't make it so.

    Sorry, obviously wrong thread nt (none / 0) (#152)
    by JakeBryant on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:09:14 AM EST