Hillary -O'Reilly Interview: Day Two

Part 2 of Bill O'Reilly's Fox News interview with Hillary Clinton airs tonight. It hasn't begun here yet, but some of you in other time zones may have seen it.

Hillary discusses the war in Iraq and says there's nothing left to be achieved. She also says torture doesn't work. Iran, Pakistan and immigration are discussed as well.

Be prepared to turn the channel when the interview is over. They've picked Laura Ingraham to provide analysis of it.

Here are the ratings for last night. Hillary scored big time with the 25 to 34 demographic.

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    Hillary to be on ABC "This Week" (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by makana44 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:44:35 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton will appear in a live town hall meeting Sunday on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."

    Just two days before the primaries, ABC's town hall event will be broadcast live from Indiana, and also include viewer questions from North Carolina. "This Week" host Stephanopoulos is moderating.


    Don't forget the last bit (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by dianem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:22:18 PM EST
    "ABC News has also extended offers to both Sen. Barack Obama and John McCain"  I visited the big orange and they are railing about ABC showing favoritism toward Clinton and scheming about ways to disrupt the town hall meeting. They seem to have been unable to read past the part of the story that says ABC is hosting Clinton to the part that says that Obama and McCain have also received invitations. Given that the entire thing is less than about a hundred words, this makes me wonder if the reading level over there has not dropped to that of a typical 3rd grader. No. Come to think of it, my 3rd grade nephew has better reading comprehension than that.

    All Obama Bots (5.00 / 9) (#31)
    by BDB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:25:49 PM EST
    are sent to a camp where they have their reading skills and sense of humor removed.

    I suspect what they are really upset about is that ABC is calling his bluff - he either participates in a substantive townhall (not that different for a debate) or he dodges her (again) and she gets an hour to herself.  

    * Note Obama bots does not include reasonable Obama supporters.  If you think it does, then go back and read that last sentence.  I know it's hard after what they did to you at that camp.  But, try.


    Worse for Obama (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:28:45 PM EST
    I suspect what they are really upset about is that ABC is calling his bluff - he either participates in a substantive townhall (not that different for a debate) or he dodges her (again) and she gets an hour to herself.

    She's talking to and answering questions from the Indiana voters.

    He's talking to Pumpkinhaid and getting fluffed.


    Worse Yet (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:31:27 PM EST
    That Town Hall will take questions from N.C. voters also.

    NC voters. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:35:08 PM EST
    That's right.  I'd forgotten about that.

    Obama will regret this.


    He'd regret showing up more (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by dianem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:44:47 PM EST
    Obama doesn't do well with extemporaneous speech. He's great when he is reading words that either he or a speechwriter wrote in advance, or when he's in front of a crowd of admirer's spouting off one-liners, but he isn't really into policy and he comes off as ignorant when he is asked questions for which he doesn't have pre-written answers. Heck, he doesn't even know what all of his own positions are. How on earth can he be expected to comment on current events that aren't part of his stump speech?

    Here's how it should have gone. (none / 0) (#113)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:31:24 PM EST
    At the Tavis Smiley debate, Obama was asked about AIDS and the black community.  

    If the researchers had done a little home work they would have unearthed the Wright tapes where Wright articulates the AIDS as a bio weapon...

    Tavis could have asked him about the down low and Obama gives his scripted answer that means nothing and pleases everyone...then Tavis follows up with the quote from Wright. (unfair they wold have said)but

    Tavis: Is it possible that your own reverend has distorted the AIDS/HIV issue to a vulnerable group and shares part of the responsibility for ignorance on the subject of HIV?   How do you reconcile your answer with this sort of innaccurate diatribe?

    At that point Obama's head would have exploded--because he'd have been confronted with an issue head on and he'd have to actually think on his feet.  If you think back he never had a gotcha questiosn in any debates until now.


    Obama is a (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Mrwirez on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:29:33 PM EST
    WIMP. He should have debated her. I really hope she cleans his clock in Indiana and just beats him in NC. I think that would seal his fate. Look at Bill Clintons 1996 Electoral map and Hillary's Primary wins. Then look at the electoral college numbers against old man Dole. I see a pattern

    http://tinyurl.com/5qdydm            Clinton 1996


    Wait, I missed this (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:30:43 PM EST
    So they were both invited, and Obama refused, and now it's ABC's responsibility to CANCEL? Sorry Barack, part of being the pompous frontrunner is opening yourself up to this.

    I hope there's an empty chair.


    Not Sure He Has Refused ABC's Offer Yet (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:33:58 PM EST
    He did refuse to debate previously but I haven't seen anything specific to this event.

    They're taped at different times. (none / 0) (#61)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST
    He could still do both.

    Is the townhall live though? (none / 0) (#63)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:36:48 PM EST
    Yep, it is live. (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:06:03 PM EST
    But MTP is taped.  So Obama could do both.

    I don't know that he refused (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:36:25 PM EST
    the short article I read (3 lines really) said ABC has extended invitations to Obama and McCain too. So, maybe he hasn't accepted "yet" -- you know, he has a "busy schedule."

    Kind of like their approach to the MI primary (none / 0) (#54)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:34:02 PM EST
    (Sorry, I am feeling unusually snarky today today. I will stop now.)

    What Would Be Rather Amusing Is (none / 0) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:14:45 PM EST
    if McCain accepted. Then what would Obama do? It has been indicated that he is impatient to take on McCain. This would be his chance. Would he take it?

    It also makes Hillary look like the frontrunner (none / 0) (#119)
    by daryl herbert on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:48:12 PM EST
    If she is debating McCain, it makes her look like she is the frontrunner.  That is the reason they invited McCain--as a ploy to force Obama to show up.

    If McCain wants to play his part in Operation Chaos, he should go.  But that's a dangerous game: Sen. Clinton would tear him up in the general, and I think he can beat Sen. Obama.  He shouldn't do anything to benefit Hillary before the convention, if he knows what's good for him.


    Kos himself (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    is starting to construct patterns of argument that show he really doesn't know how to win an argument--or construct a winning argument.  The GOPers do know how to win arguments on the basis of  heremeticaly sealed sets of political criteria: like patriotism, security, taxation, morality.  

    Hannity for example has been prepping the Patriot Games of 2008 and we've really got nothing to counter.  Indeed we have played into their hands with our selected candidate.

    The spluttering about Wright's ranting today-yesterday by kos as being less important than the economy and war miss the theatre of war let alone the battlefield.


    just apprised them... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by dotcommodity on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:32:44 PM EST
    tomatoes being thrown at me over there...

    Wow, (1.00 / 2) (#43)
    by 1jpb on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:33 PM EST
    that's a lot cheaper than paying the Hallmark channel.

    BO will be getting grilled by Timmy on NBC.

    But, I'm sure that this is fair and balanced media according to many HRC supporters.  Finally, the misogyny can be halted and all will be right in the world (well, not quite, if ABC can manage to roll some Wright tape, then nirvana will be discovered.)


    No he'll get his usual massage (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:35:16 PM EST
    Pumpkinhead is a great fan of Obama.

    lol (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by djcny on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:48:19 PM EST
    ..."Pumpkinhead".  That's a great description of him. I'm sure he'll have chapped lips after the hour with BO, TR will be tripping over himself to right the wrongs of the Wright controversy and help boost his vote on Tuesday.

    the flaw in the plan though (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:53:31 PM EST
    is that I would bet a MILLION DOLLARS that only those who are planning to vote for Obama still watch MSNBC (with a few sprinklings of those like my mom who watch "to know what the enemy is thinking").

    Hey I got yelled at (none / 0) (#116)
    by Mrwirez on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:34:18 PM EST
    for calling Rove a big headed freak...... Life is so unfair... ;-)

    Oh, wow. (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:44:08 PM EST
    BO will be getting grilled by Timmy on NBC.

    Where the laughy face emoticon where you need it?!


    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:46:40 PM EST
    Timmeh may hand Obama a particular firm pillow, but that's about it.

    "Grilled"? By Timmeh? Ha! (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:48:42 PM EST
    Do you know who owns NBC and its affiliate? Right! General Electric the maker of nuclear reactors that your candidate, Obama, thinks is clean energy. If G.E. can't have McCain they will settle for Obama.

    Don't you love (1.00 / 2) (#100)
    by 1jpb on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:11:20 PM EST
    the idea of being "politically agnostic" on important issues like nuke power?

    I don't know if this is a common political tactic for not taking a stand (At this moment, I don't recall others using this term.)  But, it sure has worked for HRC.  You apparently have fallen for this, so it must be working.  I'm sure there are plenty of people in favor of nuke power, who have interpreted her comment differently than you have.

    You can also be comforted because she is not for having payroll taxes on higher income folks, but she's not for opposing any SS solution that includes payroll taxes on higher income folks.

    And, she's for the goal of health care mandates as a political bargaining starting point.  All you pro mandate types lose this nuance.

    And, she's for the voluntary for corporations mortgage moratorium.  If she says pretty please with sugar on top I'm sure they'll volunteer.  Why does she need to be elected to do this?  Some of the mortgage servicers already have the capacity to volunteer to make these loan modifications.  What's HRC waiting for.

    And, she says "me too" to the McCain flimflam gas plan.  

    And then there's SCHIP, FMLA, Bosnia, and being "instrumental" to bringing peace to Ireland.

    Hard to see why so many Americans don't trust her.  But, you take comfort in her agnostic stand.


    Oh my. (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:14:49 PM EST
    How long did it take you to cut and paste that?

    heh! :-) (none / 0) (#108)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:19:00 PM EST
    as long as it took (none / 0) (#114)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:31:59 PM EST
    s/he to get to the Obama Talking Points archive.  

    I haven't fallen for anythig (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:18:40 PM EST
    but considering your Obama Talking Point response, you have. Have a good evening.

    That dastardly George Stephanopoulos! (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:18:50 PM EST

    On Sunday May 4, George Stephanopoulos will anchor a special edition of "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" from Indianapolis, IN with Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).  Just days before the crucial Indiana and North Carolina primaries, the Senator will take questions from Mr. Stephanopoulos and voters in studio in Indianapolis and others via satellite from North Carolina.  "This Week" has extended similar invitations to both Senator Obama and Senator McCain.

    It's all an evil plan to derail the Obama campaign right before an important primary (that is actually a comment at the ABC site).



    heh (none / 0) (#109)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:22:03 PM EST
    Obama is going to lose the Patriot Games 2008 (none / 0) (#115)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:34:06 PM EST
    He doesn't even get to start talking about the other issues.  Don't you see that?

    You know, you seem like a fairly (none / 0) (#118)
    by Anne on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:44:48 PM EST
    intelligent person, but your intelligence is being lost in the snottiness of your comments; perhaps if you tried delivering them straight-up, without the tone, people might actually be interested in engaging.

    Timmy will lob softballs (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Edgar08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:54:37 PM EST
    What does Timmy do?  Well Mr. Russert does what he always does.  He takes quotes and statements spoken in one context and then juxtaposes those quotes with a set of quotes that makes the interviewee appear to be a double talking bafoon.

    He does that to everyone.   I doubt he will do that to Obama.

    For instance, if he was really going to "grill" Obama in the way he usually does to other people he would say, "Last year you said this about Rev. Wrignt:"

    "What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."

    But now you have disowned Rev. Wright and have stated that Rev. Wright is untruthful and ... etc.

    What do you say to people who simply find it unbelievable that you didn't know who Wright was until this last week?

    Russert won't grill him.

    The worst it might get for Obama in this interview is Russert might ask why it took so long for Obama to disown Wright, and Obama might say "Because I believe people should not be judged by one or two statements, and everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt.  It's something I feel I've dealt with and I'd like to move on now to a real issue."

    And then Russert will nod in approval.

    I guess it all depends on what your definition of grill is?


    Both Obama and McCain were (none / 0) (#96)
    by misspeach2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:03:41 PM EST
    invited to participate.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#99)
    by misspeach2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:06:55 PM EST
    This didn't end up where I thought it would.  All three candidates were invited to participate in the town hall with George.

    Very High Ratings....Hillary Rocked in Pt. 1 (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:54:13 PM EST
    Thanks for the heads up about Laura Ingraham.  She would have put a damper on my day.

    Ingraham felt she was strong and even warm (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by andrys on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:51 PM EST
    Ingraham can be harsh and also rigid (on Iraq, evading the reality of an Iraq that we can't "win" the way she'd want, and via others' blood so she can be the victor) but outside of that she was pretty impressed by what she saw and was able to say so.  Seemed to strain to find the negatives (and the latter is her job with a Dem like Clinton).

      Good set of interviews.


    Thanks for the heads up (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:58:35 PM EST
    Definitely gonna skip the "analysis".  I'm still getting bad flashbacks of Dick Morris and Dennis Miller from last night.  

    Ratings (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:07:03 PM EST
    Wow...50% improvement for BillO over the night before.  

    Ingraham (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:15:07 PM EST
    has been slightly sympathetic to Clinton lately.

    Obama's radical associations genuinely has conservatives rattled on an Ideological level.

    They recon they can beat Obama in November, but look on in horror at the possibility that he could win and what he would do.   A few  months ago of course, Obama was the reassuring centrist Reagan worshiper.

    Watching Ingraham is actually (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:16:16 PM EST

    My father used to watch Reagan's speeches and I asked him once why and how he would do something so awful.  He said, "Because you have to know what the other side is doing if you want to fight them."

    I wish I had taken Fox News more seriously early on and paid attention to the real dammage they were doing.  I wish a lot of us had.  They might not have done so well for so long if we had.  I made the mistake of believing that most people would think they were as crazy as I did.  Big mistake.

    I'm not sure (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:21:07 PM EST
    we could have done much on Dkos or other blogs.  You'd have been banned and the comments scrubbed. The blogs conspired against themselves.
    Although Hannity is the enemy he's also a good indication of the exact method conservatives will use.  So you might as well take a look and see what he's up to instead of blanking him out.  It's free research on the precise talking pionts they wil use. You'll be dealing with it in a few months either way.

    my mom does the same (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:22:54 PM EST
    she watches Bill O faithfully because "you have to know what the enemy is thinking."
    Second KO for Hillary tonight!
    God help me, I actually went to his website and voted that the interview was "fair." I'm switching to "Ugly Betty."

    It's totally not "fair" (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by BDB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:27:05 PM EST
    Hillary has at least 50 more IQ points than BillO.

    I did too. (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by MMW on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:27:10 PM EST
    She rocked again.

    From my experience with (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:33:27 PM EST
    Oreally he's not a true GOPer.  A conservative but not a movement conservative.

    Hannity OTOH is the enemy.  Hume is also a true enemy. Cavuto as well.  Oreally not so much. he's not intellectually consistent enough.


    O'Reilly is (none / 0) (#132)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:59:16 AM EST
    an O'Reilly-ist.  The interview went pretty well, but I get frustrated when he asks her a mult-part question and then interrupts before she can finish her answer.  Oh well.

    I was amazed when he brought two women on to critique his body language etc. in interviewing Hillary.  He insists there's a different standard for interviewing a man, and interviewing a woman.  He wanted to make sure he didn't do anything wrong with Hillary.  Sheesh.  Hillary has played in the All Boyz Club for a LONG time.  I'm sure she can handle anything that O'Reilly might throw at her.


    I watched. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by MMW on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:31:30 PM EST
    She (Ingraham (sp?)) wasn't as bad as the nutters last night.

    She seemed to be grudgingly impressed, and she complimented Hillary (backhandedly - that Hillary came off as warm).


    I watched too (none / 0) (#57)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:35:07 PM EST
    she was definitely an improvement over Miller and Morris - but then again, my cats could give more intelligent commentary than those two.

    That's how I felt (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Lil on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:02 PM EST
    the first time I heard Limbaugh. I never thought he'd rise like he did, because I thought he was so offensive. I'm naive sometimes.

    That's why I sometimes listen (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:06:50 PM EST
    to Limbaugh and Hannity while I'm in the car. To counter my frustrations, I have a Jimmy Buffett tape at the ready...

    Um, (none / 0) (#17)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:19:49 PM EST
    I wish I had taken Fox News more seriously early on and paid attention to the real dammage they were doing.

    Plenty of people were paying attention to Faux.

    But before you get too upset, the other news outlets are just barely better.  Some days, it's a tie.


    Not so (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:23:34 PM EST
    Although they are a propaganda organ that spells out teh conservative message, you get a complete picture of the likely attacks.

    Nothing they were saying really filtered back to left wing blogs.  It was self defeating censorship.


    Before DKos went round the bend, (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:45:58 PM EST
    there were designated Faux News watchers who watched and then did transcripts or diaries on it. That was easier than actually watching it. I can't get Fox, had the sat company take it off my programming. Every house that gets the signal pays a penny or two to Fox for it, through their sat fees. I didn't want to pay a channel that I despise and don't watch. So I don't get Fox and watch stuff like this on the web.

    fat lot of good it did us. (none / 0) (#85)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:25 PM EST
    I wonder if the transscriptsa were a bit sexed up or sexed down as needed.  Or pertinent facts misapprehended.

    Well I used to go read the links, where (none / 0) (#93)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:00:45 PM EST
    the original ones were, the ones put out by Fox. I try to verify. If there is no verification, I take it with a teaspoon of salt.

    Not sure what you mean. (none / 0) (#46)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:31:10 PM EST
    Media Matters, especially, has devoted lots of internet space to Faux and that has spread to other sites.

    you'll find ... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:48:42 PM EST
    ...that they got it manifestly wrong on the POLITICAL impact of Wright.

    Obama's candidacy is predicated on being the post-reverend, centrist, bipartisan, post racial Democratic leader. It will prve to be a very expensive experimental illusion.

    Wright blew that illusion out the water. No one on the left wing blogs made an effort to warn the left about how easily that illusion could be shattered. It's obvious that Obama's victory has something to do with the organization of the black church and that his initial support was rooted in that congregation.

    Media Matters misanalyzed the threat.  Something about salaries and not getting it blah blah blah.


    OMG (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by jes on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:21:34 PM EST
    she is THE ONE!

    oh no! (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by dotcommodity on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:35:39 PM EST
    She can do NO WRONG!

    But wait,...
    I gave her an earfull on the gastax.

    She can do some wrong.


    Come again? How about this flip-flop? (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by feet on earth on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:29:39 PM EST

    Obama took a different view on the issue when he was an Illinois legislator, voting at least three times in favor of temporarily lifting the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline.

    The tax holiday was finally approved during a special session in June of 2000, when Illinois motorists were furious that gas prices had just topped $2 a gallon in Chicago.

    During one debate, he joked that he wanted signs on gas pumps in his district to say, "Senator Obama reduced your gasoline prices."



    could you give me the website adress (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by dotcommodity on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:01:00 AM EST

    that tinylink.com doesnt get there and I want to post it on Krugmans blog


    Ilinois Gas Tax Link (none / 0) (#131)
    by Cheryl on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:56:44 AM EST
    Here is the Associated Press story (it is on several other sites as well):


    Illinois part is halfway through the story.

    A humdinger, huh?


    Sorry, not good with links, Cheryl's below works (none / 0) (#134)
    by feet on earth on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:46:32 AM EST
    Let's see if anyone covers it. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Marco21 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:19:12 PM EST
    Doubt it. It doesn't hurt Hillary.

    No, No, No, (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:41:33 PM EST
    Obama is THE ONE. Hillary is the next President. Heh.

    It is awful. Truly awful (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:22:17 PM EST
    I'm resolving to never watch Fox News again. . .

    quadruple ick! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by bjorn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:23:18 PM EST

    FWIW (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:26:19 PM EST
    My Republican co-worker, who is a confirmed Clinton-hater, thought she did a great job last night.  My Hillary-supporting co-worker heard reactions to last night's show on some talk radio show today and some Republicans were calling in to give Hillary good reviews and say they were giving her another look.  

    She nailed it (5.00 / 6) (#83)
    by dianem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:51:17 PM EST
    I just watched the youtube version (I've programmed FOX out of my television options and have no interest in searching for it). She rocked. She always does. She's well spoken and knowledgable and has a counter for every argument. Even O'Reilly, who specializes in "gotcha" politics, couldn't get her riled. Seriously, I started out with no respect for this woman. I believed the media nonsense about her. I've learned to respect and admire her - and to not underestimate her. She has made me proud this election.

    I broke down... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Marco21 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:21:15 PM EST
    and watched the 2nd part. Luckily, I am not a Nielsen household. She was great. He is the king of all douchebags.

    I have DirectTV (none / 0) (#129)
    by dianem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:11:40 PM EST
    They can monitor everything. I don't know for a fact that anybody is monitoring my viewing habits, but the feed goes both ways - they say it's because they need us to be able to communicate with them. We had to install a phone jack next to our box to get DVR. I strongly suspect that Nielsen is getting some hard competition.  How could they resist the ability to know not only what millions of people are watching at a given moment, but also what we have set up to record permaneantly?

    caught the first segment, (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Lil on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:28:06 PM EST
    the rest later when the kids are in bed. Before that it seemed the rest of the media spent a lot of time (I thought) discussing Michelle Obama. Kept showing a picture of her looking anguished, I guess. Pundit said it was the first real show of emotion throughout the entire presidential campaign. So is that the new meme? Create the Obamas as victims who need sympathy, real people with real feelings...

    As happy as I am with the polls, etc. it seems like 5 days is still an eternity for them to turn the tables again. Just hope the trend stays in HRC's direction, but the media, by and large is doing their best to turn the narrative, IMO.

    I can't wait to watch the next segment of Billo. Hillary was cool. Amazing she keeps a straight face with this guy/character.

    Wright is enough... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:40:24 PM EST
    ...to peel away all of Obama's cross over GOP defectors.

    The broadcast of his ranting created a mental transformation for many previously sympathetic GOPers.

    Monitoring redstate, you can see the transformation.   He was previously seen as the bipartisan one.  Now not so much.


    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:49:52 PM EST
    based on my associations (I work with nothing but southern GOPers) and they all had good things to say about Obama pre-Wright, but now? They are stunned he is a US Senator.

    You have to wonder (none / 0) (#89)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:55:14 PM EST
    what the hell Keyes was doing. He must have had a dossier dumped on his desk with all this info included? Right?

    Keyes is a Machiavellian Genius if he realized it could be used for bigger things in later elections.


    Now I'm not so mad at KO- (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Joan in VA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:28:41 PM EST
    not many watching him! Yeah! Overall, msnbc not doing so well. More watching Dobbs than Tweety. Ha! (as he says).

    This Is Very, Very Sad (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:20 PM EST
    O'Reilly ratings beat out Countdown by 668. That was 283 higher than the previous night. Poor MSNBC. Too bad - so sad.

    I've (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by sas on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:31:43 PM EST
    visited Repug sites and have seen many good comments about that interview.  Some were remarking that they had never been fans of hers, but were impressed.

    They think the Dems will probably nominate Obama, unless Hillary runs the table or something in the remaining contests.  They know they can beat him with the Wright stuff and "clinggate".  They really do not want to face her.

    They are glad the Dems are dumb and usually do not use their heads to nominate candidates.

    The Republican Response (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by Cate on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:35:01 PM EST
    My husband, a moderate Republican (yes, yes, I know but he's wonderful in every other way), has listened to HRC speak lately and also watched last night's interview with Bill O - and now says he will vote for the person he thinks is best for the country - and he's thinking that person is Hillary!!!

    He can't be alone.

    Hurray! (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by eleanora on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:58:23 PM EST
    Awesome to hear that! I have an "I'm Your Girl" photo button with a beautiful picture of Hillary on my purse, and Republicans I know have been politely ignoring it. I got several questions today about her and her policies from some R's who watched her on O'Reilly last night and were impressed. They said they'd never seen her that way before, how smart she was and how honest about what she'll do with taxes and why. The "far-left" attacks on her may have helped her in the GE :))))))

    THANKS, Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:48:38 PM EST
    for the O'Reilly thread.

    Last night was better, IMHO, however, I thought she was great.  He interrupted her more tonight than last night, which I found incredibly irritating.

    I didn't watch Ingraham(sp).  Now I wish I had.

    Hillary Clinton.... (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by Mrwirez on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:53:12 PM EST
    Is a bada$$ woman. I don't think McSame could hang with Madame President. How in the world can anyone, during a time of war and deep recession want a novice in the White House? We have seen that a novice/uniter/compassionate is really a load of crap. It is funny how the Uniter became the Decider..
    Hillary hung tough with Bill-O. He even helped her cause a little saying Iraq was a mess.

    ANYONE that has yet to vote, I implore you to vote Clinton, unless you want to lose..... Hope can't buy a cup of coffee.

    Hillary is the best we ever had (5.00 / 8) (#101)
    by Stellaaa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:11:21 PM EST
    People thought Bill was smart, but I have to say, Hillary is the best candidate we ever had.  She can defend the Democratic positions and say things I have never heard any of the namby pamby other dems say.  She can jiu jitsu at once:  All the right wing pundits, the leftie pundits and in her sleep flip over McCain and Obama for good measure.  It's like watching wonder woman.  All that and not one "uh" "hum" or "misstep".  

    Hillary's Plan?? (1.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Rashomon66 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:41:23 PM EST
    I still don't think Hillary will win this. However on O'Reilly last night Dick Morris [who I hate btw] offered a scenario that was kind of scary. He said Hillary knows she cannot win. But what she and Bill are hoping to do is undermine Obama to the point that McCain will win the General and then Hillary will run again in 2012. Insane and conspiratorial? Yeah, maybe. But if you consider the fact that McCain will not run again in 2012 and instead the Republcians will field a new candidate - then it makes some sense because there will be no incumbent. And Hillary would have a chance of winning then.

    Dick Morris is full of it (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:44:38 PM EST
    don't believe a word he says -- he hates the Clintons (and Hillary in particular) because he was forced to resign from Bill's WH (on Hillary's insistence) after he was embroiled in a prostitute scandal. This is just another attempt by him to discredit them.

    This is tinfoil hat stuff. (5.00 / 10) (#72)
    by OrangeFur on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:45:41 PM EST
    I have no idea where it started, but it's been accepted non-wisdom among the people with well-established Grade 5 CDS for a while ago.

    Last week Clyburn of South Carolina basically said as much.

    The anti-Clinton hatred is simply amazing. At this point I think a lot of people on the left have outdone the 1990's right in their animosity.


    Obviously, (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:47:58 PM EST
    Dick Morris needs a good toe-sucking to mellow him.

    *shudder* (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Nadai on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
    I will not be volunteering.

    We can be comforted (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:08:29 AM EST
    that Dick Morris has NEVER made a prediction about Hillary that has come true.  One example - he predicted that Hillary would drop out of her Senate re-election bid because she was afraid of running against Jeanine Pirro.

    That's a sensible plan (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Lil on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:48:21 PM EST
    Yeah, she's trying to lose, like that would be a big boost to her in 2012... And they call some of us conspiracy theorists.

    He's been saying that (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:49:03 PM EST
    over and over again for weeks (yes, I'm ashamed to say, I've been watching Faux lately).  Ask him a question about Obama or some other aspect of the primary race, and he starts beating the same dead horse.

    Morris has the most extreme case of CDS I've ever seen.  Bitter, bitter, bitter.


    easily explained (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:00:54 PM EST
    Obama losing in November?

    Nothing to do with Obama--it's Bill Clinton's fault.

    That way the GOP have their hands clean of the stain of racism.  Morris wants her destroyed for 2012 as well.   It's two birds with one stone.


    nice bump in ORLYs ratings from (none / 0) (#5)
    by jes on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:55:09 PM EST
    577 on Tuesday to 939 on Wednesday. Bump it up tonight kids!

    That makes me feel guilty. . . (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:00:49 PM EST
    Not To Worry, MANY Won't Be Watching Him (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:27:49 PM EST
    ever again and it will be reflected in his ratings....back to the low end.

    Please don't feel guilty (5.00 / 5) (#95)
    by makana44 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:02:40 PM EST
    Opposite O'Reilly, Countdown (Olberbamamaniac himself) tanked in the ratings. (271 to O'Reilly/Hillary's 939) Call that a two-fer.

    And we're rewarded by a rant against (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM EST
    Al Franken.



    Someone told me today (none / 0) (#10)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:07:32 PM EST
    that Franken is having tax issues.



    yeah about $70,000 (none / 0) (#14)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:16:47 PM EST
    invarious states.

    Coleman should be unseated though.  please.  Coleman took pot shots at Gorgeous George.


    His accountant screwed up (none / 0) (#92)
    by dianem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:57:04 PM EST
    He paid taxes on speaking fees in the state in which he lived instead of the state in which the money was earned. And no, it wasn't a tax dodge thing - he did this when he lived in New York and Minnesota. New York has a very high tax rate, so he could have probably saved money by paying other states taxes.

    I'm sympathetic. I just found out that my mother's accountant screwed up and she now owes back taxes on 3 years worth of retirement checks. We are not happy. It's a reputable outfit, too, not some guy in his living room with a copy of Quicken. Of course, she isn't running for office, so it doesn't matter so much. Except to us, of course.


    He Never Wins In Rants Against Al Franken (none / 0) (#29)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:24:19 PM EST
    who successfully has made a monkey of Bill-O more than a few times.

    Ugh - waterboarding (none / 0) (#12)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:15:20 PM EST
    O'Reilly sounds like a Colbert parody.

    We know how O'Reilly (none / 0) (#15)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:17:01 PM EST
    loves women, don't we.

    Loofah, anyone?

    Falafel! (none / 0) (#16)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:19:17 PM EST
    O'Reilly is yucky! (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:21:42 PM EST
    Mommy, make him go away!

    But Russert and Matthews and many more of them  are yuckier still, because they have the veneer of respectability.



    And Olbermann (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:28:53 PM EST

    Cool, (none / 0) (#18)
    by 1jpb on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:20:09 PM EST
    she implied his falafel moment, with her facetious talking about how she's heard of his "feminist" roots.

    I didn't much like this half of the interview (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:21:38 PM EST
    in a way it was the detritus left over.

    Yeah, but didn't you love (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:24:44 PM EST
    how she knew where Al Quida was in Pakistan? HA -- Bill O thought he could "trick" her on foreign affairs -- amateur (dare I say it? He would have succeeded with Obama).

    You are so right (none / 0) (#35)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:27:24 PM EST
    I loved that part!  You can't out-wonk the policy wonk!  I had the same thought re: Obama.  

    Ratings from last week (none / 0) (#50)
    by waldenpond on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM EST
    Shep/O'  last Wednesday  217/515.  Last night 505/939.  I believe Clinton on O is higher than Clinton on KO.

    Does anyone know when Michelle Obama was on last night?  I thought it was Larry King but last week was 353, Tues was 388, and last night 385 so that's wrong.

    What were Obama's ratings from Wallace?

    Wasn't Michelle (none / 0) (#55)
    by stillife on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:34:09 PM EST
    on NBC with Meredith Viera?  Not sure what time.  9 maybe?

    That interview was supposed to (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by bjorn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:36:55 PM EST
    rerun on KO this evening.  I missed it. But I am glad to hear Hillary did so well again.  The MSNBCers seem to think it is all over now because Obama disowned Wright...may as well not even finish voting!

    MO was on LK last night (none / 0) (#66)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:41:04 PM EST
    my cousin watched it for me -- I couldn't bare it.  (Caroline Kennedy was on too).

    Robert Kennedy on Obama (5.00 / 5) (#102)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:13:49 PM EST
    Kennedy continued, "Part of our family is divided and our Party is divided and the reason we are divided is because we have two extraordinary candidates both running for president both who will make unbelievable presidents of this country."

    Continuing his argument, Kennedy said, "but let me tell you why they're wrong and I'm right, because I know Hillary Clinton better than they know Barack Obama," said Kennedy to a loud applause.



    I wonder when the MSM will give this (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:28:04 PM EST
    wide coverage -- yeah right! If you listened to them, you wouldn't even know that Robert Kennedy Jr had even endorsed anyone.

    After LK, Moore was on LK. (none / 0) (#90)
    by nycstray on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:55:44 PM EST
    MO came on in the 10PM hour.

    360 is on at (none / 0) (#117)
    by waldenpond on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:43:13 PM EST
    9:00 no change in ratings... Mon 396, Tues 349, Wed (if that is when Michelle Obama was on) 350.

    Interesting. Especially since it was right (none / 0) (#128)
    by nycstray on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:52:32 PM EST
    after they dumped Wright. heh.

    I just can't watch him. (none / 0) (#91)
    by Marco21 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:56:08 PM EST
    Bill turns my stomach and I am feeling a little queasy already. I'll bring Pepto to work tomorrow and youtube it well after lunch.

    Rich people, God Bless us (none / 0) (#120)
    by ding7777 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:53:38 PM EST
    Part 1 transcript:


    CLINTON: No, I'm not waffling. I'm saying I'm not going to impose additional burdens on middle-class families. And there are a lot of people...

    O'REILLY: But I'm not a middle-class family. I'm a rich guy.

    CLINTON: Well, and you know what? Rich people, God bless us. We deserve all the opportunities...

    O'REILLY: All right.

    CLINTON: ...to make sure our country and our blessings continue to the next generation.

    The BigOrange is finding fault with the Rich people, God Bless us.

    Hillary's campaign is trying to walk it back

    Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson denied that's what she said: "She said `God blessed us.' B-L-E-S-S-E-D."

    I don't see the problem

    that kool aid is powerful stuff (none / 0) (#122)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:48:15 PM EST
    First, I saw it, I think she said "God blessed us" and there was a lot of talking over each other at this point in the interview. Second, even if she said "god bless us" there is NOTHING WRONG with asking god to bless you. Heck, I say "god bless you" when someone sneezes. Of course, it isn't quite as good as saying "G** D*** America," but to each his own.

    the hysteria speaks for itself (none / 0) (#123)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:53:41 PM EST
    Things are not well when this is the focus of their outrage.

    Yeah have them keep repeating (none / 0) (#125)
    by rooge04 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:11:28 PM EST
    that video.  And all it will do is make her more popular.  They again refuse to see the difference between being rich and being a snob.  Hillary and Obama are both rich. Obama is a snob.  Same way Kos is a snob. You don't have to be rich to be an elitist nor do you have to be poor to not be.  

    Fools all


    Meanwhile, Sen. Obama (none / 0) (#121)
    by daryl herbert on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:13:27 PM EST
    is going on Letterman to recite an unfunny top-10 list.

    Enjoy the contrast.