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American Idol Gives Back: Open Thread

Anyone watching American Idol Gives Back? Last year it was great. Annie Lennox is singing now.

They just did a segment on the millions of kids in this country without health care and showed how the donated dollars have made difference in New York. A very moving piece.

This is an open thread.

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    Complaints of the day (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 08:59:17 PM EST
    I have almost learned how to watch MSNBC and CNN.  Tonight KO showed a clip of Clinton (gasp), someone made a positive comment, click, change the channel....  on to CNN.....Gloria Borger said Clinton got in front on the Olympics issue, appealed to liberal elites, workers and showed leadership (who wudda thunk), Campbell Brown agreed and said Obama was wishy washy.  Then (change the channel)  the male talking heads (Joe Klein and ?) said (change the channel)  absolutely not. (change the channel, stop looking you idiot, change the channel) She was political and desperate.   Obama looked Presidential by (change the channel!) not   giving a position.  In China it is all about saving face, blah, blah, blah, click, on to Stargate.....

    OK, you can see my error... keep finger on button, allow brief positive statement and quickly change the channel before the 'but' hits.

    Rolling balls o' yarn (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:16:41 PM EST
    and watching Top Chef.

    I;m watching Top Chef too. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:30:55 PM EST
    It makes me nostalgic for Chicago.

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    Me three! (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:50:50 PM EST
    ergh... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:12:56 PM EST
    That mass temper tantrum at the end was enough to make me want to send the participants home...

    ::sheesh::

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    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:14:53 PM EST
    I was unimpressed with tonight's episode. And the ending just felt staged and over the top (though I suppose that's what we expect form these shows).

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    I guess... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:23:36 PM EST
    still. I watch it for the food...and ideas. Not temper tantrums.

    Have switched over to Sci Fi...the ghost hunters are visiting Wright Patterson AFB. Very cool.

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    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:29:14 PM EST
    I think that house is totally (none / 0) (#42)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:32:19 PM EST
    haunted.

    Showed a friend of mine that vid from the Cashtown Inn with the picture frame moving (it's on YouTube). He was totally surprised :)

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    heh (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:40:10 PM EST
    Most times I'm a skeptic... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:50:31 PM EST
    but there's something about ghost hunting that's fascinating to me. I like how they look around to try and find a rational explanation for stuff.

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    Boohoo, Zoe's gone. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:58:03 PM EST
    I liked her.

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    And then they went a little heavy (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:00:28 PM EST
    on the whole drama thing.

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    Yeah, throwing chairs and everything. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:01:48 PM EST
    Shhh!!! (none / 0) (#24)
    by gmo on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:07:36 PM EST
    No Top Chef spoilers for us east coasters, please!!! ;-)

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    yeah mean west, right? (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:09:01 PM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#46)
    by gmo on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:44:49 PM EST
    yes, sorry :)  I forget, sometimes.


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    Ouch West coast time here... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:09:52 PM EST
    Newbie to site (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST
    I have been reading your posts and the comments here for the last few days.  I feel as if I have found a refuge.  Civil discourse when people have differing opinions is so refreshing!

    I am so happy to find intelligent and involved people here.  Thank you for putting your energies into something I think is timely and so worthwhile.

    I have been so frustrated with my local papers and media that I just want to scream!  I always knew that the media was run by special interest groups, but my goodness, it is out of hand now. $$ really does rule the world.  

    I appreciate your honest opinions here.  I am not an Obama supporter, and several posts here do seem to favor Hillary, however, I do see that you allow commentary from all groups.  True patriotism at work!  

    I think you have set a good tone here, as many of the Obama supporters that post comments to this blog are usually more reasonable in the way they argue for their candidate than they are in posts elsewhere.

    Anyway, I am introducing myself here as a Hillary supporter and look forward to be able to join in discussion of the posts.  Leisa is my real first name.

    I will also add that I am the most typical Hillary supporter. No I am not a racist alas, I am a white woman in her 40's!  That is such a scornful position to be in, which is all the more reason that people should be concerned about Obama as the so-called uniter.  

    I am also a Texan, and Democracy was butchered in my precinct caucus.  As a person who believes in Democracy, I would NEVER want my candidate to win under the conditions that Obama won the caucus in my precinct.

    I hope to make friends here and share ideas with those who may disagree with mine.  I am always willing to learn.  Old female dogs can learn new things...  I am here, I found this blog spot, for starters.

    Thank you,

    Leisa

    welcome (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:57:39 PM EST
    and thank you for sharing a bit about yourself. I think there are several commenters you will find much in common with.

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    Thank you, Jaralyn! (none / 0) (#54)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:01:15 PM EST
    Welcome, Leisa (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:30:53 PM EST
    I haven't posted very often here, but I read the blog every day and I couldn't agree with you more.  It's one of the few places a Hillary girl can visit and not become completely enraged.

    Oh, and I'm a 42-year old white woman.  As if the ever-widening of my mid-section and the sagging of...well, virtually everything...isn't enough, I'm now having to endure being minimalized by Team Obama and the media.  I guess I'll do what women do...grin, bear it, and carry on.

    BTW, my real name is Donna and I live in Delaware (the one that's too small for an abbreviation to fit into it on maps...how sad is that?).  

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    Go Donna! (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:23:24 PM EST
    Thank you for sharing as well.  I am happy to find kindred spirits here.  As far as states go, Texas geography may be large, but, for all of our cantankerousness about being our own country, we really are proud to be a part of Democracy.
    Ann Richards was one of our best, I wish she was here to give the media hell today.  She could do it in the best of ways!  Embrace yourself as a beautiful woman and give 'em hell!  I intend to do that myself.  I have had enough and I am so proud that we have the right to stand up for ourselves in this country.
    I do not care what any politician says, blogs like these help people find their voice in a Democratic and reasoned way.  
    Mob rule will not rule my world, we do have a voice.
    I will be gone for a few days, but I will be back on Monday.

    Thanks for being here,

    Leisa

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    Elton John, Hillary Clinton and $2.5M (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by jerry on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:03:09 PM EST
    Sir Elton and Democratic Friends

    Sir Elton John was the main attraction on Wednesday night at Radio City Music Hall in New York, but the spotlight was really on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was lavished with donations to her presidential campaign.

    The event brought in more than $2.5 million, according to the campaign, from the sale of more than 5,000 tickets.

    The concert was announced in March with a mass e-mail message to Mrs. Clinton's supporters, signed by Elton John. "There is nothing I like better than throwing a party for a good friend," the message said in part.

    Besides Mr. John's lavish costumes, dazzling piano works and sing-along songs, the event promised to feature a photographable Clinton moment: Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton all together, presumably front and center on the cavernous Radio City stage.

    Elton said something regarding the misogyny (none / 0) (#32)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:21:32 PM EST
    they showed it on ABC local news, but it's not on their site yet. Looked like a nice evening. Unfortunately, the reporter seemed to be not so neutral . . .

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    The Quote: (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:54:40 PM EST
    He even brought up the issue of gender.

    "I'm amazed by the misogynistic attitudes of some of the people in this country - and I say to hell with them," he said.



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    NY1 article link (none / 0) (#37)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:28:55 PM EST
    For purely vain reasons I would like to think (none / 0) (#43)
    by jerry on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:33:55 PM EST
    the reporter is right when writing The concert is also likely to appeal to younger voters, many of whom have been drawn to Obama.

    But for several reasons, I am sad to say, I suspect the reporter is wrong about Elton John appealing to younger voters. :(

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    Wow...got it (none / 0) (#59)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:21:36 PM EST
    He will take care of the little women.  Ok.  

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    I'm confused. Where did you get that? (none / 0) (#63)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:55:57 PM EST
    The grandma add (none / 0) (#64)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:14:13 AM EST
    that was linked.  He is trying to show that he listens to women.  

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    Olympic Torch and China (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:18:06 PM EST
    Today this was the big event in SF.  Where is the torch, where are the marchers so on.  Then on News Hour and a couple of other spots  on the radio, pro China people were talking that we should not humiliate China because they will get mad.  If they lose face they will not cooperate.  Well, we cannot affect them financially but we can affect them by shame.  

    Uh, I thought the point of the protests was to shame  them and to point out that they need to clean the basics up if they want to be part of the "enlightened world".  

    What are they going to do, not sell us plastic spoons?   Since our governments will not act we need as world citizens to make it clear that there are international human rights standards not just economic expediency.   I really loved it how the outrage was global.  

    I just saw that Obama (none / 0) (#35)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:24:38 PM EST
    asked for Bush to boycott the opening ceremonies.  Didn't someone else already call for that?  Yes we can (follow)!

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    Judgement and leadership (none / 0) (#48)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:48:26 PM EST
    Exactly. He judges the response to her (none / 0) (#52)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:52:05 PM EST
    leadership and then he follows.

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    And of course... (none / 0) (#53)
    by gmo on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:57:30 PM EST
    ....tomorrow's MSM headlines will rejoice! Obama Urges Bush to Boycott Olympic Ceremonies! Huzzah!

    And they'll ignore the fact that he hemmed and hawed for several days, and just jump to what a "leader" he is.   So exhausting and predictable.

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    but, but, but (none / 0) (#58)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:16:44 PM EST
    If you read my item at the top, Joe Klein said Obama was Presidential for not taking a position.  So is Clinton not desperate for taking a position?

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    that is a rather cynical interpretation... (none / 0) (#65)
    by DawnG on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:17:10 AM EST
    ...so please forgive me if I take it with a grain of salt.

    Leadership hasn't exactly been a strong suit for either Clinton nor Obama this cycle.  They have actually been following each other rather regularly.  It's like watching a crazed waltz.

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    heh. Maybe Gordon Brown or (none / 0) (#67)
    by JoeA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:49:50 AM EST
    Angela Merkel should be President of the US as they are clearly showing more leadership than Hillary or Obama who are copying them!!!!!

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    North Carolina Debate (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:20:48 PM EST
    Been waiting for an open thread to post this, as I don't think it's been covered by the site yet, but:

    Apparently, there will be a debate at N.C. State's RBC Center on April 27th between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Technically, Obama's campaign has not officially agreed to the debate yet, however, the NC Democratic Party has gone ahead with a lottery to give away tickets to the debate (which I have already signed up for), and preparations are being made by CBS and RBC to go ahead and invest money into this, so it seems as if the signs would say that Obama will agree sometime shortly.

    If I am able to get the tickets, I hope I can see some of you all there!

    -Dalton

    Jeralyn 's debate with Ann (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:10:10 PM EST
    Ann sort of dissed some of us for saying that some of Jeralyn's commentors  "cry" about things that people say about Hillary.  

    Then Camille Paglia's pseudo macho rant about us being

    her clique of tired, aging courtiers who couldn't adjust to changing political realities.
     

    Makes ya wonder how we can be hated in our youth for burning bras, then in our prime for wanting it all and now for wanting some fairness and some respect.   I feel like the Dangerfield character:  I get no respect.  

    I don't know if Jeralyn... (none / 0) (#66)
    by DawnG on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:20:09 AM EST
    ...cries about thinks people say bout Clinton, but she certainly has no problme saying snide things about Obama. (not a common occurance but I have seen it)

    So I would hope she has perspective enough to realize she's giving it out and as a result, can surely take it.

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    Wow you should read this article (none / 0) (#2)
    by athyrio on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:07:24 PM EST
    athyrio (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:18:57 PM EST
    That writer is a conservative, religious extremist. I really hope you don't believe what he writes.

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    Not really. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Fabian on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:19:22 PM EST
    It's a very common story if you leave out the whole race part.  Get degree, get debt.  Get law degree, get even more in debt.  Pick option A) Slave like a highly educated peon for years to get partnership in a law firm for the big bucks or B) Do something that has more sane hours.  And pay, pay, pay on your debt.

    They used to scoff at the students who chose their majors based on starting salary for that specialty.  It seemed so crass and mercenary.  Why not "follow your heart"?  Yeah, well - when four years and a BS pays as well as six years and a Masters, all it takes is a little math and you can figure out how many years longer you'll be in debt.

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    Thanks for that tip as I didnt know that (none / 0) (#9)
    by athyrio on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:25:25 PM EST
    Jeralyn...

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    Watching Idol really hammers home why (none / 0) (#3)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:09:43 PM EST
    we need Clinton over Obama for me. Seeing (again/still) the way some of our citizens live with no to little help is just wrong. This is where her experience and understanding comes in, imo. She 'knows' these folks and what they need. Hands on experience.

    Save the Children is really doing some great work. Nice to see some footage of them in action. Loved the book deliveries :)

    Insider Advantage Poll (none / 0) (#4)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:14:39 PM EST
    Interesting video with Matt Towery on all the PA polls.  He thinks she will win comfortably. It is about 5 minutes long.  I don't know what his credibility is but he thinks Clinton looks good.
    http://www.internetnewsagency.com/?play=true


    I wouldn't be surprised is she wins (none / 0) (#68)
    by JoeA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:52:38 AM EST
    comfortably.  Probably by 10-15 points,  however as things stand that is what is expected.  If anything the recent polls showing it within the margin of error are helpful for Hillary as it might change the expectations so that a 15 point win would be a big news story, rather than just her meeting expectations.  


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    Carrie Underwood (none / 0) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:20:57 PM EST
    Last year on the Idol Gives Back show, I really learned to like Carrie Underwood, when previously she'd just rubbed me the wrong way (don't know why).  

    Anyway, she was the only one who I really felt connected with the kids during the visit to...was it Africa?  The others were trying their best, but I didn't "feel them," you know(as Randy would say). Their hearts were in the right place, I know.  But Carrie was really sweet, genuininely kind, and really acted like she was in her element.  I suddenly liked her.

    They aren't kicking anyone off this week, are they?  Good, if so.  I liked them all yesterday and want to hear them all sing again.

    I'm on the West coast and it's too early for Idol here.

    Take care everyone, and I hope you're having a good evening.

    Polls, polls, polls (none / 0) (#10)
    by fuzzyone on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:29:20 PM EST
    What do they mean.  Two new PA polls have Clinton leading but within the margin of error while a third has her by 10, though mostly by dint of more undecideds.

    Meanwhile, both national tracking polls have Obama outside the margin of error.  MyDD speculates it could be primary fatigue.

    What does it all mean?  I have no idea.

    Axelrod and more... (none / 0) (#12)
    by jen on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:31:09 PM EST
    Did you guys know that Axelrod used to work not only at Exelon (BO's famed nuclear energy deep pockets contributors) but also at the Tribune? As in the Chicago Tribune who scrubbed all the earlier Rezko articles from their servers after endorsing O!....

    And secondly -- this is a fun article if you haven't seen it. O! spent the other day soaking up more "people powered" contributions from California billionaires. He banned the media from any attendance at this series of billionaire fundraisers, but this woman made her way and covered it as best she could. With pix! Kind of smashes his whole "small donors" meme.... change you can believe in!

    OBAMA FUNDRAISERS at Billionaires Row SF Bay area-

    zombietime


    thanks for sharing this (none / 0) (#13)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:39:54 PM EST
    do they make the billionaires go through metal detectors too?  Those are some swanky houses!

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    LOL!! (none / 0) (#17)
    by jen on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:57:25 PM EST
    Don't know about metal detectors, but I was slightly amused they had to stand in line to enter! As the "reporter" said -- something they probably rarely, if ever have to do.

    From the article:

    If you do the math, on just this one day in the Bay Area, Obama went to four events, three of which had $2,300 minimum donations per ticket, and the other $1,000 minimum per ticket. Each of the events, from the various descriptions, held as many as 400 people (the Getty mansion has a ballroom that reportedly seats at least 300). 400 x $2,300 = $920,000 per event, times three events = $2.76 million, plus the other event, which undoubtedly puts him over $3 million in contributions for this one day alone. And who knows how many other similar days he schedules in other parts of the country.

    Michelle Obama (and other Obama campaign spokespeople) aren't telling the truth. It seems that a signficant portion of Obama's monthly campaign contributions are coming from "large donors"' -- i.e. rich people, not just the "$20 to $50" donations they're constantly bragging about. ...



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    good work! (none / 0) (#23)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:06:06 PM EST
    Where in the heck are the mainstream press?  

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    Too busy (none / 0) (#30)
    by jen on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:20:16 PM EST
    covering the really important stuff, like this:

    Howie Kurtz's Unreliable Source

    (No Quarter)

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    I just saw Maya Angelou (none / 0) (#15)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:41:03 PM EST
    on a PBS bio about Zora Hurston Neale.  I love Maya's voice. It's so kind.

    I love Dr. Angelou (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:23:07 PM EST
    I ate her brownies one time last year, actually. She's on the Board of Trustees here at Wake Forest, and she sometimes stops by the University, where she has a lot of friends and family, including a member of the Japanese department here, Keiko Iwamura. She came by and they made brownies one time last year at Iwamura-sensei's house--quite tasty! She really is a fascinating woman. She thinks extremely deeply all the time, and is the most selfless individual I have ever met.

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    My brother-in-law graduated from Wake. (none / 0) (#36)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:27:40 PM EST
    Beautiful campus and a really cool city.

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    Mhm! (none / 0) (#39)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:30:49 PM EST
    I love it here. And the law school is both beautiful and excellent. For work, I used to have to go in there and fix projectors--it looks so much better than the undergrad sections of campus.

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    Projectors? HA that brings back memories. (none / 0) (#44)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:39:08 PM EST
    They don't still use those do they?

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    Yeah! (none / 0) (#47)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:45:57 PM EST
    They still do. They're hooked up to laptops, usually, but yeah, sometimes they still get some time in the classroom.

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    So, no more (none / 0) (#50)
    by leis on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:50:37 PM EST
    wax pencils? Ah, technology.

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    Freeper Update! (none / 0) (#41)
    by jen on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:32:19 PM EST
    A good friend of mine periodically lurks over at Free Republic to keep an eye on what they're up to. This is her most recent report, minus the snips of comments -- didn't think they would be appreciated or allowed here!

    I know they're creepy and spell badly... but it's important that we know what they're up to and what the ground is thinking as they rig our Dem primaries. They are still hoping for ... and getting ready for -- Obama as the Nom. They are probably going to swift him heavily with the Muslim stuff.

    If you think the Rev Wright episode erased all the Muslim accusations of Barack Obama- think again...

    The link below is two pages of what the Freeps are readying for the Muslim smears- esp focused on his cousin the new PM of Kenya and the riots his supporters incurred (killing over 1000 Kenyans) to assure he "won" that election. The Kenyan family tie is is going to be difficult for Obama to dance around now as he did Rezko and Wright- because it was O himself who already dragged CNN and the other "news" outlets to film his colorful Kenyan family (while he had his old white granny in Hawaii locked in a closet!)

    FreeRepublic

    OK NOW WASH UP!!



    Charming stuff. (none / 0) (#70)
    by JoeA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:55:00 AM EST
    Obama plays "follow the leader" AGAIN (none / 0) (#51)
    by gmo on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 10:51:08 PM EST
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_olympics

    Well, it looks like Senator "Follow the Leader" Obama has finally joined the chorus asking for Bush's boycott of the Olympic opening games.     You know,  a few days after Senator Clinton did.  

    Could Sen Obama be a little less obvious in following Clinton's lead on nearly every issue?  

    I'm glad he's joined the chorus of support for the boycott, and certainly don't call into question his condemnation of China's human rights record (though his "hard to tell your banker he's wrong" statement certainly rubs me the wrong way), but for someone who fancies himself a leader, he sure does drag his feet a lot, doesn't he?

    Best part is Merkel, a woman (none / 0) (#55)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:01:53 PM EST
    thought of it first.

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    Isn't Merkel from that country... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by gmo on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:06:48 PM EST
    ...that's had that scary Universal Healthcare-ish type thingy for over a hundred years now?

    Wouldn't mind following Germany on that, either.  And props to Merkel for leading on this.

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    She's also the one (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by eleanora on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 11:42:00 PM EST
    Bush gave that creepy shoulder massage. Props to her for not bopping him on the nose, don't think I could have held back.

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    Single payer healthcare though. (none / 0) (#69)
    by JoeA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:53:42 AM EST
    I don't think either Obama or Hillary are proposing that.

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    Time article on Obama's mother (none / 0) (#71)
    by JoeA on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 06:56:10 AM EST
    Quite interesting,  with some background.

    Everybody should read this once in awhile.... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:22:57 AM EST
    I couldn't help but think of this when I read that 42.2 cents of every income tax dollar goes towards defense/military spending.  I give you an excerpt of the wise words of Dwight Eisenhower.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

    It is never too late to heed his warning and become "alert and knowledgeable"...just say no the military-industrial complex friendly candidates John McCain, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton.  Vote peace and prosperity for all people in 2008 by voting "none of the above".

    Can the Media Get Nothing Right about Clinton? (none / 0) (#73)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:14:38 AM EST
    I was shocked by all the reporting over Mark Penn's fees.  It did, indeed, look like they were incredibly high and outrageous.  But what shocked me most is I had recalled reading somewhere early on that Clinton and Edwards had both put caps on their fees to keep themselves from being Shrum-ed.  I seemed to recall a post on a blog (MyDD maybe?) that praised Clinton and Edwards for doing this.

    Sure enough, via Susie Madrak, Dee Dee Myers has confirmed that Penn's fee is capped at, Meyers believes, $250,000 and the huge numbers going to his firm is because his firm doles out money to certain vendors.  

    And, when I googled, I was able to find a reprint of an article from 2007 in the International Herald Tribune confirming that Clinton's entire top-tier team is capped at a combined fee of $5 million.    

    So the next time you read that Penn or any other Clinton consultant has been paid millions and millions of dollars, don't necessarily believe it.  

    McCain knows more about the economy (none / 0) (#74)
    by nycstray on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:49:24 AM EST
    than Clinton or Obama! Yes, he just said this on the View. o.m.g. it really is silly season.

    And then Elixabeth said something about McCain/Rice beating the 'Dream Ticket' in NYS, so I googled it.

    http://tinyurl.com/675ebl

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    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 12:14:15 PM EST
    A South Carolina conservative-pushing newspaper (what else would it be?) carries two columns today that dump on B Ometoo.  One by Thomas Sowell says calls for dialogues on race are 'fraudulent" and wonders why people excuse B Ometoo's continued membership in a racist church.

    The other column describes B Ometoo as being "a mile wide and an inch deep", like the Potomac.  How about some specifics, he says.

    (South Carolina does have a rep to uphold: being the place were the first shots are fired. I suspect they will not be the last.)

    oh--the dems are represented by a letter to the editor that declares the mainstream media want the election to be decided by clips of Wright.  Obama is unfairly targeted by the media.  Yep!