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Obama's Speech From Indiana

Barack Obama will be speaking shortly from Indiana. I will put highlights here.

Barack and Michelle are dressed in black. Mellencamp is playing. Reportedly, Mellencamp has not endorsed Obama and will be playing at an event for both candidates in a few weeks.

Obama: Thank you. He smiles. Starts with individual thank yous. Has a list. First one he thanks is Mellencamp and his wife.

More...

Thanks the mayor of Evansville. Says like him, he married up.

Congratulates Hillary. She ran a terrific race. He thanks the hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians who stood with his campaign today.

There were a lot of folks who thought we'd be blown out. But we worked hard and traveled the state and we closed the gap. We rallied people of every age and race "to the cause" and whether they were inspired for the first time or for the first time in a long time, we registered a lot of new voters and it is they who will lead our party to victory in November.

The campaign is about the fierce urgency of this moment. He criticizes the bickering and small politics. That kind of politics is not why he's here.

Tells individual hardship stories. We desperately need change. We can't afford to keep on doing what we've been doing for another four years. We can't play the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expect different results.

Talks about McCain. I think he also is including Hillary in this "same Washington players" but he doesn't say so.

His audience sounds childlike in their "oohs" and "boos".

The rest is a stump speech, not about PA, I'm done.

Update: Obama's speech morphed into a rah-rah speech of hope and change. With 90% of the vote in, Hillary's ahead by 10. He got trounced in the rural counties and by blue collar Dems and Reagan/Casey Dems.

Hillary beat Obama by 10% in New Jersey and Ohio. Superdelegates will have a lot to ponder tomorrow about who can better beat McCain.

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    Don't get more Hoosier than John Mellencamp? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:38 PM EST
    But I thought he was doing events for both campaigns?

    They're hitting Mellencamp hard now, and "Hoosier values."


    he's not endorsing Obama (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:15 PM EST
    He's playing at an event for both in a few weeks.

    Parent
    Oh, I know, J! (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:55 PM EST
    Just the rhetoric was hitting Mellencamp so hard, as if it was indicative that he's so Obama.

    When, in reality, he's not backing a candidate and just lending his music.

    My question and comment were just rhetoric with a twist of snark. ;)

    Parent

    See? (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM EST
    Obama just thanks Mellencamp.  It's a subtle spin that Mellencamp = Obama, as was the case with the intro comments.


    Parent
    Tried to get on HRC.com (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:52:15 PM EST
    to donate, but it is jammed. Yea! Might have to wait until tomorrow. Even the diary below this is jamming at the end. Or, it is just me. What a ride tonight.

    Parent
    I couldn't get on her site either :) (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:50 PM EST
    here's hoping she sets an overnight fund raising record!

    Parent
    keep trying (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:36 PM EST
    half a mil in the hour after the polls closed.  She needs more!

    (according to Brazile, Clinton needs to "win another big state."  Yeesh, when does Obama have to win a big state?)

    Parent

    Right after (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:10 PM EST
    he wins the nomination! Duh!

    Parent
    Kind of kills BO's 'we won more states' argument (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:20:49 PM EST
    And how many of those were Repugs -- I mean Dems for a Day influenced? How many of his wins were by more than 10%?

    Bill Schneider is saying that "nothing changed" in PA. So if BO had to outspend HRC by 3:1 just to stay in place, how is that a good thing for him?


    Parent

    CNN....... (none / 0) (#182)
    by kc on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:10:26 PM EST
    makes me sick.

    It isn't enough that they have Donna Brazile and Roland Martin faking being impartial, but they also keep moving the goal post. Everyone of them except Begala is in the tank and the margin that she has to win by, according to CNN, keeps getting bigger.

    Parent

    Donna Brazile (none / 0) (#196)
    by STLDeb on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:10:40 AM EST
    I was YELLING at my TV last night wondering what she was doing on CNN last night.  

    Did you notice 1 of the panel was labeled "Obama supporter".  I didn't notice any of the other panel members labeled "Hillary supporter".  What is up with that?  

    Parent

    Just got on (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:52 PM EST
    I tried to go through her campaign site, but would not work. Then through Jeralyn's link. No. So I just got in to give some more to her. And the 2nd diary unfroze also. So try now.

    Parent
    I donated no problem about 15 minutes ago (none / 0) (#82)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:02:19 PM EST
    Me too! (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:20 PM EST
    $25 more for Hillary!

    How much longer until I'm on opensecrets.org?  ;)

    Parent

    Google yourself. (none / 0) (#148)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:23:49 PM EST
    I did and it came up on the Huffington post donations counter! Creepy!

    Parent
    Send an e-transfer to a contact email address (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:08:33 PM EST
    Jeralyn or BTD:

    If you have a secure contact email address -- or get one for e-transfers and wired donations -- for hillaryclinton.com, people who can't log onto the jammed site can still donate and the campaign pick the donations up later.

    Parent

    Wow -- Once again I've been suckered... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:02:11 PM EST
    ...by an Obama intentional mischaractorization: I thought for sure Melancamp had endorsed.

    Parent
    At least you've got the Intertubez (5.00 / 4) (#98)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:51 PM EST
    to straighten you out.

    Most of America doesn't.

    That's why I can't stand Obama.

    Parent

    The media reported that -- and now we have (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:34 PM EST
    incontrovertible proof that they make up stuff.  They make it up.  Clearly, no one asked Mellencamp.

    Or they got it from the Obama camp and just ran with puffery without checking it.  Appalling reportage.

    Parent

    But no retractions forthcoming from media (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:33 PM EST
    that reported, en masse last week, that Mellencamp was endorsing Obama.

    No, he was just taking Obama's money for a gig.

    Parent

    I doubt he got paid for it. (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:36:55 PM EST
    He's a good guy. He does alot of work for progressive causes. He's not endorsing either of them (but clearly he's supporting the Democrats). It's not his fault that the media doesn't factcheck.

    Parent
    That's cool, and it was no aspersion (none / 0) (#191)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:15:27 AM EST
    on Mellencamp to say he got the gig -- but I would hope that at least his band's expenses are paid, unless that's his donation to both candidates.

    My ire was for the media who presume an endorsement just because a musician likes to play for the people!


    Parent

    I got an advance copy: (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:24 PM EST
    "Bitter, bitter.. grumble" and
    "about that debate next week.."


    "I could have won if I tried (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:41:04 PM EST
    but I chose not to."

    For me, the two top quotes of the night are (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:07 PM EST
    Casey's--about Obama doing well for a novice, and Hillary's reference to the founding father's--of course.

    Parent
    Eww! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:47:00 PM EST
    First "I love you back."

    cult of personality (none / 0) (#15)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:06 PM EST
     Now he's lowering expectations, trying to make himself out to be the underdog.  Feh.

    BTW, Hillary's lead according to Fox is now 10%.

    Parent

    10% (none / 0) (#40)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:04 PM EST
    Because, before I turned off TV, they were saying how bad 8% was because it wasn't 5 (she should drop out) and it wasn't 10 (a "game changer").  

    I suppose if it ends up being ten, it won't be enough still.

    Parent

    I think it'll be more than 10 (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:02:47 PM EST
    my new buddies at Fox News seem to think the margin will be in the teens.  

    Parent
    WooHoo! (none / 0) (#48)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:29 PM EST
    cough,cough... ok, WOOHOOOOO!

    Parent
    Did he actually say that? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Xeno on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:55 PM EST
    Creepy as hell if he did.

    Parent
    Will it be a concession speech? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Xeno on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:48:27 PM EST
    If so, that would be a first for Mr. Unity, wouldn't it?

    Nope. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:50:58 PM EST
    In the first two minutes:

    Hope, change, young voters our our saviors.

    I'm a young voter.  I know, and I know they are easily distracted.


    Parent

    A lot of young voters in Hillary's audience (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:12:30 PM EST
    They showed that a lot.

    Parent
    CNN (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by BPeters on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:25 PM EST
    Check out the CNN web site.  It says "Hillary edges out Obama in PA."  Ten points is "edging out"?

    Parent
    Local news said "won big" (none / 0) (#129)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:25 PM EST
    showed her being positive and then him giving the tit 4 tat part of his stump just a bit ago  ;)

    Parent
    What's with (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:17 PM EST
    The A&F dudes behind him?

    hip white dudes for Obama (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:25 PM EST
    Well, so long as they're white. (none / 0) (#178)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58:56 PM EST

    Jeffries of A&F specifically said his clothes were for rich, white people.

    Parent
    Married up? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:42 PM EST
    I've always hated that phrase. It's got class issues and it's patronizing in this context.

    It makes me sick--esp'ly since BushBoy says it (none / 0) (#76)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:28 PM EST
    about Laura all the time--and about other politician's wives.

    Fingernails on a blackboard.

    Parent

    it's a compliment and self-depricating... (none / 0) (#121)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:11:07 PM EST
    lighten up

    Parent
    Hey AgreetoDisagree, either change your name (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by cymro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:19:15 PM EST
    ... or agree to disagree and stop complaining when we do.

    Parent
    Fully expected kind of response. (none / 0) (#140)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18:56 PM EST
    Ah well.

    Parent
    actually, Bush is right on that one (none / 0) (#151)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:26:50 PM EST
    so give him credit -- he isn't often right.

    Parent
    Obama isn't saying anything!!! (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:09 PM EST
    And to thank Mellencamp at the top of the speech was a way to make it SEEM that Mellencamp was endorsing him.

    Hillary talked specifics.  Obama is full of....well, nothing.

    He's copying Hillary's lines! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:51 PM EST
    Two wars, an economy in recession...

    What Hillary said!

    Well, of course. (none / 0) (#30)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:32 PM EST
    Them's the facts.

    The question is which one can get it done in Washington?

    Parent

    It's not why I'm here tonight. (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:52:32 PM EST
    I'm here, in Indiana, because I knew I was getting my butt kicked in Pennsylvania.  That's why I'm here tonight!

    /reading between the ObamaLines


    W O R M (none / 0) (#33)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:36 PM EST
    WHAT

    OBAMA

    REALLY

    MEANT

    Parent

    I had to change the channel! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:52:32 PM EST
    I wanted to hear if he congratulated Hillary or not.  But I couldn't mae myself watch!

    My Legal resident husband (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:18 PM EST
    just became a big Hillary donor.  

    Make him a citizen Stellaaa! (none / 0) (#45)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:00 PM EST
    Still waiting (none / 0) (#52)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:03 PM EST
    for the Green card...approved but not printed

    Parent
    Keep on them - I'm a retired immigration (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03:06 PM EST
    attorney and if you let up the pressure, they will hide.

    You're a citizen - three years from the DATE on the card (not the issuance of the card)... he can have his application in for citzenship.  If you must, go to the office and stand in line.

    Parent

    So (none / 0) (#101)
    by dissenter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:05:02 PM EST
    Can my legal, British husband donate to Hillary? He has a fresh green card in hand and I will have his credit card in the other lol

    Parent
    the rules on are on the donation site (none / 0) (#154)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:07 PM EST
    and I think if you are a legal resident, you can donate, but double check before he does.

    Parent
    YES HE CAN (none / 0) (#184)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:15:31 PM EST
    He can apply 90 days BEFORE (none / 0) (#131)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:40 PM EST
    the date that marks 3 years.  

    Parent
    That's true - but don't file even one day before (none / 0) (#155)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:27 PM EST
    the 90 day period.  I had someone who filed their own paperwork and when I got it, it was about a week too early and it had to go back to "start"....without passing go and without collecting $100.

    Literally count the days - don't approximate!!!

    Parent

    Can My Legal Brit (none / 0) (#63)
    by dissenter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST
    Husband legally donate to Hillary? Jeralyn?

    Parent
    see my answer to your first post (none / 0) (#159)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
    I don't think so - but check the attestations at (none / 0) (#161)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:30:38 PM EST
    the end of the donation form - and see what he has to attest to.

    Parent
    Sorry (none / 0) (#188)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:51:23 PM EST
    See the front page of TalkLeft at the bottom:

    Nothing on this site should be construed as legal advice. TalkLeft does not give legal advice.

    Commenters shouldn't give it either, it could land us in problem territory.

    Again, sorry.

    Parent

    Complimenting the mayor's wife was... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:51 PM EST
    ...patronizing clap trap. Also notice how Obama's accent change for whatever part of the country he is in? In Iowa it was dipthong city, then the southern accent in Texas...

    ha (none / 0) (#167)
    by Nasarius on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:51 PM EST
    I had to Google, and found this: skip to 0:25 and cringe as he attempts to pronounce "legislators."

    Parent
    Hilllary still needs to drop out. (5.00 / 6) (#56)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:47 PM EST
    Like Clockwork, Orange is nuts

    And I thought she won!

    yea, quick before she wins LOL (n/t) (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:36 PM EST
    she can't (none / 0) (#144)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:21:37 PM EST
    yes (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:38 PM EST
    does it also make sense that Barack cannot win either?

    Next.

    Parent

    This line really offended me.. (5.00 / 3) (#160)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:54 PM EST
    She won by 8 to 10%. This means there is a lot of stupid to combat out there.

    That is the attitude that is going to lose Obama the nomination. It has already cost him votes, I am sure.

    Parent

    yeah, the 45% for Obama (none / 0) (#166)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:44 PM EST
    Markos didn't write that (none / 0) (#74)
    by bordenl on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:10 PM EST
    Markos will probably wait to write that until we have the delegate count.

    Parent
    I wrote full quote below. (none / 0) (#132)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:53 PM EST
    She's lost this election.
    We've got two weeks left in this contest. North Carolina and Indiana will finish this thing off.
    The shortened Marcos quote.

    Parent
    He's probably still trying to wrap (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by cawaltz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:30:52 PM EST
    his head around the idea that Obama outspent her three to one and still lost.

    Parent
    Uprated... (none / 0) (#107)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:19 PM EST
    ... for the fantastic pun.

    Parent
    looks like she is up to almost 200,000 (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:11 PM EST
    more votes than Obama

    Are Democrats screwed come November? (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by jcsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:33 PM EST
    Hillary has a base - a BIG base, in the Democratic party.

    She has lost this contest, based on states won, pledged delegates, and most likely the popular vote, including Florida.

    However - she DOES have a big base.  Has there EVER been such a close contest, regarding delegates?  Gary Hart wasn't nearly this close to Mondale, and neither was Edward Kennedy, right?

    So, Hillary, given her base, has every right to fight for every state, and if the numbers don't change - in this case, it simply will continue to be that demographics are 90% destiny for these primaries - we are headed to a bruising floor battle.

    Barack will win the floor battle, because as I say above, he will be ahead by all measures.

    But at what cost?

    Both sides bitter, both sides turned off?  

    Which means, we are screwed going against McCain.

    If I were Hillary, I wouldn't give up.  I wouldn't if I were Obama, either.

    So, we're screwed.  A golden trifecta of a STRONG majority Democrats in office(which isn't really that progressive, but better than the Repubs), is slipping from view.

    We are screwed.

    HRC could very well be ahead in pop vote (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03:08 PM EST
    everyone knows (5.00 / 6) (#105)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:09 PM EST
    number of states won is all that matters.  I mean, Alaska and Utah?  The man is on fire.

    Parent
    The big kahuna is AL--per someone I heard today (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:11:42 PM EST
    I mean, Obama won AL! So that means he'll win it in the general. Teehee.

    Parent
    LOL (none / 0) (#180)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:06:16 PM EST

    Kathy got me going upthread, but your "Teehee" put me over the edge.

    You're all going to owe me a new computer screen!

    ...Or I can just stop drinking whilst reading comments in a thread guaranteed to have such fun snark.

    Parent

    Yeah - that is my personal favorite metric (5.00 / 4) (#128)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:15 PM EST
    I suppose he is also ahead in square miles won.

    Parent
    Great line ruffian (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by barryluda on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:17:36 PM EST
    Square miles won! (none / 0) (#195)
    by Kathy on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 07:16:46 AM EST
    Hahahaha!  Expect that to be making the rounds at Orange.  Man, I wish someone would write a fake diary like that, a Jonathan Swiftian ode to Obama, and see how many rec's it gets!

    Parent
    Oh, if only that were literally true..sigh nt (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:36:22 PM EST
    HRC is, is, is ahead in popular vote now (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:09:00 PM EST
    and it's growing by the minute as returns come in, per RealClearPolitics.com:

    Clinton +81,562    +0.3%

    That's including FL and MI -- but, after all, they voted.  And they're fairly popular places. :-)

    Parent

    Mostly agree (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:27 PM EST
    They've split the base between them. November is in doubt, but a joint ticket may pull it out.

    Parent
    Since the advent of the modern primary (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:46 PM EST
    There hasn't been anything this close.

    Kennedy v. Johnson was close, but not really a primary season.

    There have been very close votes in a few conventions. FDR came out of a very close vote, if I remember correctly.

    Parent

    I don't think we're screwed, wer'e just (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by barryluda on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:16:11 PM EST
    in the middle of our primary.  When this is over, it is becoming more and more likely that whomever wins will choose the other as VP and the democrats will figure out a way to come together.

    As I was typing this, just saw an "anti-McCain" ad on CNN...Rise Democrats, Rise!

    Parent

    I hope you are right (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by jcsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:46 PM EST
    I'm an Obama supporter, but I also think Hillary will do a fine job, if elected.  I like them both.

    Still, everyones doing the next thing right in front of them.  And if Obama sorta backs into the nomination, or Hillary, triumphs via super delegate (which I don't see as likely, but for argument's sake), it's going to cause a weaker candidate than we'd like.  

    Especially if the candidate can't put a game plan together for the general, until, basically, September!

    Parent

    Given the animosity (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by sander60tx on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:27:21 PM EST
    it seems nearly impossible, but it makes me wonder (again) if a joint ticket isn't the best way to solve that problem.  Possibly they could grab both sets of demographics that way.  

    Parent
    I've made the joke that (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by jcsf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM EST
    together, they need to form "Hillama", or "Barilly OBinton" - some such candidate.

    There may be no other choice.  But would either candidate's supporters, be SATISFIED, in any way, with the VP role??

    Parent

    not with Hillary as VP (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:37:14 PM EST
    that reminds me too much of the older more experienced woman teaching her boss his job. Also, despite the CW I think the both have enough of their own baggage to deal with -- so regardless of who is on top, adding the other to the ticket just doubles the shots the GOP will take at them.

    Parent
    The old (maybe) CW was that (none / 0) (#179)
    by sander60tx on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:01:45 PM EST
    Clinton would drag Obama down with "all her baggage."  The lesson that I've learned in the last 6 weeks is that Clinton's baggage isn't dragging her down nearly as much as I would have thought and that Obama has a lot more baggage than I anticipated.   But maybe focusing on negatives is the wrong way to look at it... they both also have strengths.  I would love to see a poll in which voters weighed in on whether they would vote for the two on the same ticket.  Until some pollster asks that question, we really have no idea what might happen, in the unlikely event that they ran on the same ticket.

    Parent
    ---ssssssigh--- (none / 0) (#181)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:08:35 PM EST

    I guess if any animal were bred from this mess, the Hillama would be an o.k. one to have, so long as it's got her brains and his height.  I would feed it and care for it...I guess.

    Parent
    NYT has whole text (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by bordenl on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST
    This is his stump speech essentially. The speech sounds as if he is being worn down. I hope I do not get TRd for this again.

    Yikes (none / 0) (#77)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:34 PM EST
    it's the slice n' dice, red & blue, all together now speech.

    Parent
    I switched to sitcom reruns (none / 0) (#93)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:28 PM EST
    as even those are more interesting than his speech reruns.

    Parent
    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:57 PM EST
    Keith is right, he is soooo gracious.

    That 52% might be rising with every minute his soeech runs.

    Free air time... (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by AlladinsLamp on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:24 PM EST
    a stump speech on live TV, all the channels.

    He's done this before.

    It's a brilliant strategy (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:09 PM EST
    bore the crap out of viewers at home, too!

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    He goes back to 2004 convention speech (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:37 PM EST


    He is reacting (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by Coldblue on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:02:17 PM EST
    to the last Hillary ad in PA.

    The campaign is obviously shaken by the PA results.

    Can you elaborate? What is his (none / 0) (#100)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:58 PM EST
    reaction?

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    Roosevelt, Truman, etc (none / 0) (#125)
    by Coldblue on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13:20 PM EST
    It wasn't about bin Laden.

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    He just said I will fight for you (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03:01 PM EST
    where have I heard that before?

    Still waiting for the how (5.00 / 3) (#130)
    by cawaltz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:15:33 PM EST
    he plans on "fighting" for us. Everytime I listen his game plan seems to be to hold hands with the GOP. How is that "fighting"?

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    this is the first time i've had the chance ... (5.00 / 5) (#87)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:03:24 PM EST
    to listen to him speak at one of these things. I am not impressed. I find his argument about rejecting the "usual politics" to be just an amazingly dishonest and hypocritical meme, considering the degree to which his campaign engages in ... politics as usual. Where does he get off with the whole "my campaign is about the little people, not the lobbyists" stuff? I believe it's been demonstrated that he, too, takes money from corporations and lobbyists. And, even without tarring him with any wrongdoing, isn't it a bit much for someone who pal'ed around with Tony Rezko to wear the "i'm for the little guy" mantle?

    I'm not buying what he's selling.

    Yes - i found it a lot more impressive (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:05:24 PM EST
    before I saw how he actually campaigns as opposed to how he talks.

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    Oh, hilarious (5.00 / 4) (#89)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:18 PM EST
    "They (the powerbrokers) will try to distract us with ads!"

    I forget (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:34 PM EST
    did he spend $15 million or $16 million on ads to win the state?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Maddow: Obama strategy was to break HRC's bank (5.00 / 3) (#175)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:53:57 PM EST
    If that was his intention, man, he got served twice and supersized.

    I wonder what the WORMing of that will be.

    (Obama: I wasn't really trying?)

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    He could do something really (5.00 / 5) (#91)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:23 PM EST
    good and say we are going to count MI and Fl, or at least FL!

    On MI and FL: Leaders lead. (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by lambert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:37:23 PM EST
    Obama doesn't lead.

    He talks about leading, but on MI/FL he has an opportunity to, but he doesn't.

    He's a meta-leader.

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    On MI and FL: Leaders lead. (none / 0) (#172)
    by lambert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:37:33 PM EST
    Obama doesn't lead.

    He talks about leading, but on MI/FL he has an opportunity to, but he doesn't.

    He's a meta-leader.

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    We are making the election about how (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:32 PM EST
    we are going to do all those things - by nominating Clinton.

    Yeah, like he's not the status quo (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:39 PM EST
    I hope I don't have to listen to this windbag for the next 4 years.

    It's a rally speech (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:05:58 PM EST
    not a concession speech. Typical!

    he gloats just like dubya after his speeches (n/t) (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:24 PM EST


    Wow - KO and Matthews seem to like (5.00 / 4) (#112)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07:23 PM EST
    Clinton's speech better.

    Except KO stillt hinks she mocked obama.  He's an idiot.  Maybe we think Yes we will has just as much meaning as yes we can.

    Why should I trust this man? (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by nellre on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:09:19 PM EST
    He pretends to take the high road, but he's not.
    Digs at HRC almost every paragraph.

    I did like it when he was running against McCain. Same with HRC. Both need to focus on McCain more and each other less.

    Go back to Chicago (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by karen for Clinton on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:09:51 PM EST
    And take your disunity with you.

    Democrats obviously don't like hope and change and change and hope and hope and hope and change.

    Notice how he stoped using the banner saying Judgment on his podium.

    ;-)

    And Marcos says (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:10:43 PM EST
    Well, when the vote was HRC by 9, he wrote
    No doubt. She's lost this election. She is desperate. Her website forwards to her donation page, which would be sad and tragic if she wasn't hell bent on bringing her party down.(Did he peek? Or did he donate?-Right)

    We've got two weeks left in this contest. North Carolina and Indiana will finish this thing off.

    Then 82% came in and she jumped to 10 pts. (One more and it is heaven.) Then he just noted Obama speaking.Then 85% came in and no more remarks.

    On CNN, they were describing how positive (Donna?)her speech was. How she talked to the American people. How she was talking to Indiana. They actually were nice there for a few minutes. Heh

    nearly fell off my chair (none / 0) (#135)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:17:32 PM EST
    DB, who I have been trashing all night in comments here, actually sounded reasonable after HRC's speech. For a little while, anyway. I also thought Begala's comments were spot on, fwiw.

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    Hope and change (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13:34 PM EST
    It was a rah-rah speech.

    On CNN, they were saying about Hillary's base (5.00 / 3) (#137)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:17:52 PM EST
    They said her base is so solid, that many would stay home or vote for McCain. BUT, Obama's base is not as solid and she would not lose as many AA's as he would lose Hillary's.

    Zogby was right! (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18:15 PM EST
    The dart throwing legend will live to poll another day.

    Zogby's dart does it for HRC (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:22:21 PM EST
    I laughed, but I hoped it was right.

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    No way (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:24:30 PM EST
    Even when he is right he is wrong...he just got it wrong twice and it became right!

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    Checking out from the east coast here (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:23:13 PM EST
    happy with a 10% lead!!!

    G'nite, Jeralyn and BTD--thnks for the live (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:27:00 PM EST
    blogging.

    And for a nice place to visit.

    OMG (5.00 / 4) (#157)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:29:45 PM EST
    i'm totally crushing on pat buchanan.  maddow just started crowing about obama's money and pat totally shut her down with "what good did his money do him?"

    pwnd!

    I could never hate Pat B. (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:56:27 PM EST
    even at his bat sh!t craziest, because he looks exactly like my dearly departed grandpa -- but his analysis of this election has made me actually like him.

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    Pat Buchanan is OK (none / 0) (#186)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:28:49 PM EST
    as long as nobody elects him to anything or gives him any direct power.

    I too rather like him.  For a xenophobe, homophobe, everything-o-phobe, he's actually sorta cuddly.  One thing I really like about him personally is that he really struggles to stifle his own need to interrupt other people.  Somebody convinced him interrupting is a Bad Thing, and he tries but can't always stop himself.

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    Ross Perot had money in the 92 race (none / 0) (#164)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:30 PM EST
    Watching live on CNN.com (none / 0) (#5)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:37 PM EST
    Homegirl's claps are hitting the mic hard.  And it bugs.

    SO superficial, but it sounds overzealous.  It just makes me think of MSNBC.  CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

    what about the NY Times piece (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:45:37 PM EST
    that's coming out tomorrow--taking the low road to win, or something stupid like that?  God, I am so sick of this negative spin from the press.  

    So, if Obama gets the nom (not likely, suckah!) then we'll be hearing all those folks taking the high road, "well, McCain only won because he was negative."

    Yeah, that'll help.

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    Kathy!!! (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:49:52 PM EST
    Just let me have this one happy moment.  I'd much rather be depressed tommorrow than right now.

    I know full well what may/will happen in the press, but I'd rather soak in the "Hillary is my Homegirl" moment!

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    And when Bo loses, IT'S HILLARY'S FAULT! (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:53:08 PM EST
    It's Clinton's fault (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by cawaltz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:14 PM EST
    The excuse du jour. It's not just for the GOP anymore.

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    The Times editorial... (none / 0) (#46)
    by AlladinsLamp on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:00 PM EST
    is here.

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    Author??? (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Dave B on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:22:29 PM EST
    Who the heck wrote that tripe?

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    No author (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:31:04 PM EST
    It's an official editorial opinion of the NYT.  

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    Major pearl clutching over at The TImes (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:25:29 PM EST
    Doris Kearns Goodwin on Charlie Rose said this campaign has barely touched mean and low down in terms of "attacks."

    She said that part of the problem is that when something is said which grabs the media, it gets player over and over and over and over...until the next item grabs their attention.

    This has not been a mean or dirty primary.

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    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:37:53 PM EST
    The NYT is taking a very one sided view of it too.  Have they not been paying attention to the Obama campaign at all?  

    I don't understand how they can say she didn't have a big win tonight.  It appears they are taking cues from the Obama blogs on what margin Clinton should have won by in PA.  And wasn't she outspent by 3 or 4 to 1 on advertising?  

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    Barack Obama is that ... special leader. (none / 0) (#6)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:15 PM EST
    And homegirl keeps clapping so hard.

    Will he congratulate Hillary? (none / 0) (#9)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:44 PM EST


    Just posted on the other thread, (none / 0) (#22)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:26 PM EST
    but I was really proud of him for congratulating Sen Clinton on PA and waving off his crowd when they started to boo. Very nicely done, he just went up in my estimation.

    Remember when Hillary gave a short (none / 0) (#28)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:52:50 PM EST
    concession and then a normal speech? Remember all the stations deserted her because it was only a stump speech? Think that will happen tonight?

    Honestly I'd rather listen to Obama... (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:47 PM EST
    ...than Tweety trash Hillary.

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    I remember it well, and no (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST
    they won't, because the media boyz are getting those tingles up their legs that they like so much.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#187)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:48:14 PM EST
    That's why I noted when it switched from being about PA to a stump peach. They should have cut it off them like they did to her.

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    Hes turning (none / 0) (#36)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:58 PM EST
    his attention to McCain. I dont know that that is the best move.

    Don't worry (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:46 PM EST
    he's back to lumping in the Clinton years with Reagan and Bush(s)

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    BO dissed the Carter years, too (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:55 PM EST
    saying that no one in Washington cared about the people in the '70s, the '80s, the '90s . . . oh, BO does just love to drive up Bill Clinton's blood pressure.  But c'mon, giving Carter a stroke, too?

    No living former president, no matter the party, is safe from Obama.  He only likes the ones already gone, like JFK -- and Reagan.

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    The Wright-Wing View of Jimmy Carter (none / 0) (#185)
    by daryl herbert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:17:36 PM EST
    It's weird to see Sen. Obama claim that no powerful politician cared about ordinary Americans until he came along.  Most people don't share that level of bitterness.

    The only other place I think you can hear that sort of thing is in Jeremiah Wright's church.  Just how much of that does Sen. Obama agree with?  If he keeps incorporating ideas from Wright's sermons into his campaign, it's doomed.

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    I hadn't thought of that (none / 0) (#190)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:13:18 AM EST
    and I think you're on to something.  I just can't figure out how the Obamas, who have done so well, could keep saying what horrible decades those were -- as they got great educations, great jobs, a mansion, a fortune, and more.

    This is the Rev. Wright message, and Obama is taking it as much as he took the title of his book from the guy.  And it is a message that is the opposite of "hope" -- so you're correct, it dooms Obama.

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    Now (none / 0) (#38)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:31 PM EST
    Obama is now going after McCain and Bush.

    Smarter than going after her.


    Didn't last long (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:53 PM EST
    This is a pretty good speech too (none / 0) (#41)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:19 PM EST
    I like it.

    He's actually talking from a Democrat's perspective. It's good.

    Oh wait (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:40 PM EST
    n/t

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    about time (none / 0) (#51)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:55 PM EST
    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:15 PM EST
    right after he did that, he kind of blew it.

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    What is he talking about? (none / 0) (#47)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:57:28 PM EST
    Dooh!!!

    He says (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:07 PM EST
    that Hillary takes money from lobbyists and can't represent real people but his campaign doesn't take a dime of that money...

    Because if you say it enough times, it must be true!

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    lol!~ He must not have heard (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:53 PM EST
    she doesn't have any money. He may want to start laying off that line. Someone may start looking closer at his donations . . .

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    OMG (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:17 PM EST
    how can anyone support this guy? He is a LIAR.

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    Something I've been wondering about (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by hitchhiker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07:52 PM EST
    is what the heck he was doing at a fancy fundraiser in SFO a few weeks ago anyway . . . I mean, the campaign was in PA, and we all know he's got those gazillions of small donors, right?

    So why was it necessary to go raise $$$ in CA?

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    is it my imagination (none / 0) (#54)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:20 PM EST
    or is his "concession" speech going on longer than her victory speech?

    And CNN is covering it (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:00:17 PM EST
    While with her they cut her off at 10 minutes. Good to see some things don't change.

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    I've got a voodoo doll I'm sticking right.... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07:00 PM EST
    ...now!

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    You have the power (none / 0) (#99)
    by Coldblue on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:04:55 PM EST
    ...haven't I heard that before?

    Yup--and a teleprompted speech at that-- (none / 0) (#117)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:09:30 PM EST
    Had to be--too few hums and hems and haws--altho' he should have his stump speech memorized by now.

    Hillary seemed much more in touch to with her audience--he was somehow more distant. That is his style, probably, but the teleprompter kind of increases the feel of being distant.

    KO is being an idiot about how somehow Hillary did something wrong with her speech.

    Not convincing Tweets even.

    They covered every minute--plus watching him greet people on the stage.

    Keith seems to be (none / 0) (#118)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:09:38 PM EST
    under the impression that she is the only one alienating the other persons voters.

    Hisss (none / 0) (#124)
    by allpeopleunite on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:12:49 PM EST
    «His audience sounds childlike in their "oohs" and "boos"». Hissing is so much more dignified, I do say

    What did Timmeh say about McCain doing ad (none / 0) (#127)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:14:42 PM EST
    about interesting figures in, what?, Obama's life? Something about injecting race into the NC vote?

    What is he saying?

    Big Orange (none / 0) (#138)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18:13 PM EST
    has a diary by Dallasdoc actually congratulating Hillary. He then went on to predict her upcoming demise and the comments are pretty negative, so I probably won't log in to say thanks. But still it was nice to see some fairness over there.

    And CNN just said 55-45% looks like a firm count :D

    Whoops, sorry for OT, wrong thread (none / 0) (#142)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:20:21 PM EST
    What does it mean to wear black? (none / 0) (#176)
    by daryl herbert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:56:03 PM EST
    Barack and Michelle are dressed in black.

    They're not playing Johnny Cash, so therefore, they must be at a funeral.

    Either that, or they are dressing up like art students.  Art students are, of course, famous for condescending to ordinary folk.  And smoking.  They're famous for smoking.

    Same after OH and TX (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:14:58 PM EST
    They were both wearing all black on that occasion as well. I thought it looked very much like they were in mourning. So sad for them. I wonder how Michelle's pride in country is doing.

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    just noting (none / 0) (#189)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:00:36 AM EST
    clothes. They wore almost matching black outfits the night of another recent primary. I also note what Hillary's wearing in her speech. Just providing color for people without tvs. Thre's nothing to read into it, really.

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    i think there is. (none / 0) (#192)
    by cpinva on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:27:47 AM EST
    black is traditionally the color of mourning. one doesn't wear all black indiscriminantly, unless one is an effete member of the "creative class", whatever the hell that is.

    according to the SEC, I, as a cpa, am a member of the "creative class", if you use enron/arthur anderson as models.

    so yes, i think something can be read into it.

    as for the concerns expressed above, that extending the nominating process to the convention ill behooves the DNC, because it leaves less time for the nominee to put together a campaign against sen. mccain; fear not, sen. clinton is already hard at work on it. heck, it practically writes itself.

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    In no way (none / 0) (#194)
    by ROK on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:28:27 AM EST
    was that speech bitter.

    I thought it was good and more pro-Democrats than pro-Obama.

    It was solid. I know it's hard for pro-Hillary commentors to hear anything that he says, but it was good.

    Also, looking at the hidden meaning of garments is crazy. Way too much time on our hands. We should be raising money and helping the Dems rather than whining on this site. I'm guily too.