Blogging The West Virginia Primary

By Big Tent Democrat

MYDD has brought on an old blog friend of mine, Carnacki, the proprietor of West Virginia Blue, to blog the May 13 West Virginia Democratic primary. It will be must reading.

Let's make this an Open Thread.

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    I find these recent Obama (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by zyx on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:30:34 PM EST
    campaign talking points to be aggravating:

    Obama attacks Bill Clinton's economic legacy

    Also, wrt foreign policy, he says he'd emulate Bush's dad, JFK, and "in some ways, Ronald Reagan".

    This is WAY getting on my nerves!

    Linky stinky (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by stillife on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:38:46 PM EST
    But I do agree with you re: Obama attacking the Clinton legacy.  Call me a sentimental fool, but I look back with nostalgia on the good old days when the Republicans were the enemy.

    I read the FT article last night (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by zyx on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:46:55 PM EST
    and thought about it some.  Yes, during Clinton's admin, banking was deregulated, especially in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which was passed overwhelmingly, and which broke down barriers between investment banks and commercial banks, and which probably does have a good deal to do with the nasty pickle that we are in now with rotten mortgages.  BUT to lay that at Bill Clinton's feet exclusively is 1) a stretch and 2) nasty campaigning for a (D) and 3) overlooking a lot of misbehavior by a lot of people who are not Bill Clinton.

    And 4) just disgusting, in my book.

    I think there is a lot more to say, but the MSM sure isn't.


    But there was the S & L's (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:24:22 PM EST
    We all forget that the S & L bailout was under Bush Sr. That was when banks were failing and other banks became Super banks because of it. And one of GW's brothers was also involved. I look at my Income Tax forms in the 90's and I see making a very decent salary, my 401k and my Ameritrade account flourishing. We also had respect in this world and a President who was more popular when he made a mistake than one who is a saint. Why is that? Maybe because the middle class was given a fair chance and doing well didn't and care about the other stuff. That all ended with Bush 43.

    drat (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by zyx on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:40:55 PM EST

    and I thought I had finally gotten the link thing.


    His refusal to take money from lobbyists? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by stillife on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:43:35 PM EST
    That's rich.  Thanks for the chuckle.  

    The whole lobbyist (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by facta non verba on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:23:16 PM EST
    thing points to the disingenuous nature of the Obama camp. Take his wife's law firm Sidney-Austin, the world's sixth largest in terms of revenues at over a billion pa. They are a registered lobbyist but not all lawyers are registered lobbyists. So who contributes to the Obama campaign? Those who are not registered lobbyists. Even though the law firm is a partnership where revenues and the bonus compensation is pooled. So the work of one translates into the profit of all. Still Obama can claim that he does not take money directly from lobbyists. He does, indirectly.

    Did anyone hear Kerry today (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by inclusiveheart on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:31:40 PM EST
    on This Week saying that Clinton's healthcare plan would be a non-starter in Congress because of the mandates?

    If two of the "most liberal" Senators in the Democratic Party - one of whom is supposedly committed to healthcare - are predicting that the best we can do even with a Dem Senate and Congress is Obama's plan, then what's going on here?

    Kerry's comment has been bugging me all day.  Are our Democratic representatives going to feel obligated to do anything in the next term?  I feel like more and more we are getting talked out of key goals and objectives.

    If it's such a non-starter (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by nycstray on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:35:26 PM EST
    why are so many people voting for her? Especially low income Dems?

    Why are so many people voting (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by inclusiveheart on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:42:29 PM EST
    for Dems becomes my question.  I am a Democrat and will always vote for the Democrat on any ticket - but I am feeling like we are getting set up for a fall lately.  Kennedy played a big role - maybe more as a student - but none the less a big role in Medicare which is a mandated program.  It is also a really good program.  Can anyone imagine what kind of healthcare crisis we'd be facing right now if we also had elderly folks going completely uninsured?  In any case, how is it that he could oppose mandates just because they are mandates.  I appreciate that he might object to mandating purchases from corporate entities, but that isn't what Kerry said.  He simply said it was the mandates that made her plan completely impossible to pass.  I think that is a problem and I think that hanging her proposal on the mandates alone is both misleading and problematic for anyone who might one day seriously try to fix this problem we have.

    being set up for a fall... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kredwyn on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:29:32 PM EST
    I've been thinking something along that lines.

    Disappointing huh? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by inclusiveheart on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:37:48 PM EST
    Seriously... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by kredwyn on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:59:41 PM EST
    totally makes me go :-(

    On the non-political front...Script Frenzy starts on Tuesday and I'm stumped for an idea.


    I link to that in my latest post (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:42:10 PM EST
    Thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by inclusiveheart on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:54:43 PM EST
    I watched it again and I'm more upset with his comment.

    I was annoyed as well (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by ricosuave on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:07:48 PM EST
    Kerry is one of the folks who should be taking a stand on health insurance, not avoiding conflict.  But aside from that, every time one of the Obamaphiles says that mandates are bad, it should be pointed out to them that Obama's plan includes mandates as well.  He just does it for children, but every argument that applies to mandates on everyone applies to mandates on all parents.

    And add to that the fact that Obama killed universal healtchare in Illinois.  Instead of fighting for it, he compromised it away and sent it to death by committee.

    Yet another example of Obama as a big disappointment on a central democratic issue.


    Politics as usual (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by PennProgressive on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST
    The democrats or let's say that in the present context the Obama supporters are not willing to take any bold progressive step. Obama criticizes the Clintons and Hillary's supporters for committing to "politics as usual", but it is them who are practicing that. And when one hearrs comments like Kerry's, it becomes clear why the Dems after 2006 failed to accomplish anything substantial in Congress. You know it is not just the Republicans  who stop any progressive agenda. It is also us  and politics and policy as usual.

    WV and KY will be interesting (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 02:52:08 PM EST
    I expect Hillary to win by 20+ points in both states.

    Looking at Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Arcadianwind on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
    in WV, I'll say by 30% +/- 2%. She will take PA by at least 13%, barring unforeseen developments. WV will be the beginning of the end for Obama. Gore lost WV by only 6% in 2000. Clinton took it by 15% in 1996. For those willing to look at electoral map realities, the path to victory in Nov. is OH, WV, FL, MI, TN, MO, and KY. There is only one candidate who can do it!

    Aw, Carnacki (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:34:33 PM EST
    Happy Story Fridays. Always so much fun. And his interest into vampire stories and Night Stalker. Always a interesting read. I wanted him to be a front pager but should of and didn't. Wish you could get him here once in a while. Yeah, BTD, you weren't my only favorite in your other life. Heh.

    More from Zimbabwe (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by facta non verba on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:58:30 PM EST
    I've decided to spend the night in the Spanish Embassy after hearing gunfire, probably a celebration, but nonetheless not worth the risk of a run to the hotel. What we are hearing is simply Mugagbe has lost overwhelmingly based on unofficial reporting from around the country. Some 60% to 70% voted for the opposition candidate Morgan Tsvangirai. That margin would prevent a run-off (50% + 1). It's about midnight now and the city seems tense. A few people I talked all seemed to think what matters now is how Mugagbe choses bow out (or not) and if the Army will back Tsvangirai. The Army is very loyal to Mugagbe, many of its top brass were in the bush fighting Ian Smith's Rhodesia. As Western observers, we have no status. We are not legally allowed at polling places nor at Zimbabwe Election Commission  so we are working with locals on techniques and letting them run their own show. It's actually a great way to do this because we serve as a font of information and they do the work. They are really quite enthused and committed to securing transparency. What a concept, transparency in an election.

    Here's a site for you to follow developments:

    i always enjoy what you post. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by leis on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:00:16 PM EST
    who gives a sh*t what anybody else has to say about it?

    Dang, agree again! :) n/t (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by nycstray on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:59:14 PM EST
    Fantasy Baseball Week 1 (none / 0) (#16)
    by nycstray on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:27:14 PM EST
    I play 'Yes We Can' {GACK!} in one league. Happily, I get to play 'The Mighty B*tches' in the other, lol!~

    And I thought baseball season would be a nice distraction. I should have known better. . . .

    Carnacki is cool. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Fabian on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 03:34:26 PM EST
    I don't know if he's been posting at dk recently, but I liked his stuff pre primary.

    That post on Jesse Jackson was (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 08:59:44 PM EST
    unusual, so I suggest not making a decision to leave here based on comments to that post.  

    I agree. (none / 0) (#27)
    by nycstray on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    I couldn't remember if I didn't hear/know it because I was out of the country or an earthquake dominated my reflections at that time. Heck, I forgot I worked on a video presentation for one of Hillary's initiatives back when it was starting up about 10-12yrs ago . . .  OY. I can't even remember off the top of my head what year it was . . .