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Media Coverage of the Ohio Democratic Debate

The Ohio debate starts in 20 minutes. We'll have a live-blog going, but here's a thread to post your comments about the media coverage leading up to it and afterwards.

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    Keith Olbermann (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:45:59 PM EST


    Keith Olbermann (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:46:55 PM EST
    And Keith Olbermann (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:47:10 PM EST
    and Dana Milbank (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:48:29 PM EST
    Took the words out of my mouth. What a (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Teresa on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:47:20 PM EST
    jerk he has become.

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    Hmm... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:51:05 PM EST
    For reasons explained below, I still don't think he's as bad as Chris Matthews. And he's always sort of had a brashness about him--I think he's always claimed to have a heavily liberal bias, and he shows that. At least he's not hypocritical about it.

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    He is the archtype (none / 0) (#15)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:56:02 PM EST
    "Ivy League Bloviating, Holier than thou, Liberal".

    But I forgave him?  Not anymore.

    I was happy to see that he moved into 3rd place in February (was 2nd, I believe).  The second place finisher is the Campbell Brown placeholder show.  It's not even a good show, but it beats Keith.

    MSNBC is never going anywhere with their divide and conquer strategy.

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    Keith Olbermann (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:49:56 PM EST
    far in the lead.

    Actually he retires the pregame award.

    Embarrassing. Even Milbank knows this is too far.

    Without a doubt (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by americanincanada on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:51:45 PM EST
    Glorida Borger and my boy Berstein, followed Keith O.

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    What happened to him? Did they tick off (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Teresa on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:52:00 PM EST
    MSNBC that bad? They're all awful but he is the most disappointing.

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    Methinks they want to be kingmakers. nt (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:53:41 PM EST
    Did anybody mention (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Coldblue on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:53:48 PM EST
    Keith Olbermann?

    Not enough (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:55:25 PM EST
    no (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:55:32 PM EST
    I don't trust anyone at this point (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by sarahfdavis on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM EST
    If a photo scanned from a Nov. National Enquirer. by a freeper can be sent to Drudge on a Saturday and then Drudge can post it on monday claiming it was from "the clinton camp" with no facts to back it up and then it's all over CNN, MSNBC, etc. with headlines like "Clinton smears Obama" - how the hell can we trust ANY of it?

    We can't (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:58:40 PM EST
    We have to do our own news analysis.

    BTW, I tend to watch Canadian news, and BBC news, far less biased on US affairs.

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    same as theresa, (none / 0) (#31)
    by kangeroo on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    i go to outside outlets.  i posted this earlier in the wrong thread, but we need checks and balances with the media; more orgs like mediamatters.  with a better framework to ensure accountability, we could avoid altogether this game of trying to find out which network is fair in a given election season.

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    I don't trust anyone at this point (none / 0) (#34)
    by andrys on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 04:28:41 AM EST
    When Drudge first posted the story about that photo he mentioned he'd acquired the email - so he is depending on others who SAY the photo came from the Clinton camp.

    At any rate, several messages I've read say that the photo has been on one website since September:
      http://www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.htm
    and that Obama permitted a documentary video sold at Amazon for PR in connection with that trip to Africa in 2007.

    - A

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    A source for that photo before Drudge (none / 0) (#35)
    by andrys on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:35:23 AM EST
    After posting here in reply to a note about scanning a photo for Free Republic, I looked around and found the first mischievous use of that photo (before Drudge posted about it) and have given details at http://andrys1.blogspot.com

    Also wrote to Jake Tapper's blog about it since he was very concerned about the source.  It certainly does not appear to be Clinton-camp-originated and is more likely just a result of many emails circulated after a scanned copy of that photo was posted to a much-read site before Drudge posted his 'news' about it.  They could have used the one from the African site, it seems, but apparently someone preferred the usual false context some sites enjoy.

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    I hate them all (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by RalphB on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:58:17 PM EST
    with a burning passion.  Fox has been better than any of them lately.


    At least Faux (none / 0) (#21)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:59:14 PM EST
    doesn't pretend to be unbiased.

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    Did anyone... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by americanincanada on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:59:04 PM EST
    Did anyone see CNN interviewing themselves earlier about whether or not they are biased?! It was fantastic. I laughed myself silly. of course they said that was outrageous, they are totally fair. GLorida Borger, Jack Cafferty and John  King, being interviewed about it by Wolf. LMAO

    Is it on Youtube? I need a laugh. nt (none / 0) (#25)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:01:08 PM EST
    I'm watching with my husband... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:00:14 PM EST
    ...who is an Obama supporter and asked me a few minutes ago..."So what's your problem with Keith Olberman?"

    So I'm glad to be able to have this blog to vent because I don't want to get a divorce over this stupid election after 25 years of a happy, peaceful marriage.

    Oh, I know -- I come here, too (none / 0) (#29)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:29:09 PM EST
    because I've had it with so many family and friends, and my spouse is such a mediator . . . which is just what we need much of the time. But he knows how horribly Clinton has been treated, so he just simply can't find a way to keep this peace. Solution: Don't talk about it. (And he is having a very hectic time at work in recent weeks, too.) So I found a place to vent, and who knew that Jeralyn and BTD would become marital therapy?

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    It could be worse . . . (none / 0) (#32)
    by facta non verba on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:01:10 AM EST
    did you hear about the incident in Pennsylvania today? A stabbing with a kitchen knife over the race. A Clinton supporter stabbed an Obama supporter. They were in-laws. Unreal. I have friends that I am not speaking to. Luckily my boyfriend is largely apolitical. He votes but that's about it.

    Two of my closest friends are in your boat. She's for Clinton and he is tepidly for Obama. There is a great cartoon at Correntewire. http://www.correntewire.com/


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    I like Wolf and CNN (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:48:38 PM EST
    Sure, they have a bit of a liberal slant, but I really do think they have the most in-depth coverage, and substantiative information. It seems like they ask tougher questions during the debate too. Andersoon Cooper remains one of my favorite pundits on TV.

    My least favorite has gotten to be Chris Matthews on MSNBC. There's nothing objective about his reporting whatsoever. I like KO still, because I think he's trying to just tell it like he sees it, and he's never really claimed to be "balanced" or "fair" like the rest of them have. He's always had an unabashing bias, and I sort of respect that.

    keith olbermann (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:59:31 PM EST
    what's disgusting about keith is that he's tried hard to trump up this faux-edward-r-murrow mystique as if he's oh-so-objective-and-journalistic while becoming the very opposite of that.

    with chris matthews, at least there's never been any pretense that he's anything but a frat boy idiot.

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    "Well I think he does need to be more Ronald (none / 0) (#18)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    Reagan on this"
    "A boring debate tonight would be a good result for him."
    Thank you, Chuck Todd!!

    Re: Keith O (none / 0) (#23)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:00:00 PM EST

    Am I right in concluding that he's trying to say that referring to Barack Obama as Barack Hussein Obama is "fear mongering"?  I haven't watched MSNBC at all since I'd seen the first inklings of anti-Clinton misogyny, so I'm really wondering if this is true, since I caught the tail end of Keith O's comment.

    Also, my girlfriend noted that the splash screen/ad for the debate depicts Clinton with exaggerated/highlighted wrinkles (she said it made her look "old" compared to Obama's picture).  I haven't seen it...is this true, too?

    Also, (none / 0) (#26)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:01:31 PM EST
    why does the media have complete amnesia when it comes to Barack having called Hillary "Bush-Cheney lite"?  It astounds me.  It absolutely astounds me.

    And "Clinton (D-Punjab" (nt) (none / 0) (#30)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:30:41 PM EST
    The best thing going... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Oje on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:02:41 PM EST
    for Clinton, is that these bozos now want to shower all their advice on Obama. Chuck Todd recommends using Clinton's previous debate tactics to defend his lead (because it worked so well for her?)

    Then again, do they recommend that Hillary attack Obama as he attacked her when she had the lead? Of course not, if she were to attack the Untouchable,  it would destroy the Democratic party and her reputation!

    And: what is implicit in everything Obama and the media says about Clinton and Iraq is that she is no different than Bush... Obama Rules!!!

    Keith Olberann (none / 0) (#28)
    by MichaelGale on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:21:43 PM EST
    Dana Milbank

    A great article by a republican (none / 0) (#33)
    by ghost2 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:06:02 AM EST
    PLEASE everyone,

    Make sure you read this article, and also forward it, or give it due attention.  It's just so well written.  

    Jeralyn or BTD, I wish you could write a post on it.  Media has shameful double standard on coverage of Hillary Clinton (by: Thomas V. DiBacco)

    Women are the nation's caregivers -- from childhood that nurturing trait has been stressed. And Hillary Clinton's passionate pursuit of universal health care is in the best tradition of that quality, as illustrated by her poignant remarks near the close of last Thursday's debate:   ... [snip]

    Shame on the media. In terms of grace, proposed programs, energy and enthusiasm, knowledge and abilities, and executive demeanor, Hillary Clinton can hold her own among any of the candidates in both parties -- and she does so in high heels.

    I love to quote more, but you'd want to read and savor this article.  

    Please spread this far and wide.  Thanks.