Iraqi Reporter Throws Shoes at Bush

President Bush made a suprise visit to Iraq today. He said the war is not over, but "it is decisively on its way to being won."

As the two leaders shook hands in Maliki's private office, an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the US president, shouting: "It is the farewell kiss, you dog." Bush was not struck.

Soles of shoes are considered the ultimate insult in Arab culture. After Saddam's statue was toppled in Baghdad in April 2003, many onlookers beat the statue's face with their soles.

The New York Times adds: [More...]

But his appearance at a news conference here was interrupted by a man, apparently a journalist, who leaped to his feet and threw one shoe at the president, who ducked and narrowly missed being struck. Chaos ensued. He threw a second shoe, which also narrowly missed Mr. Bush. The man was roughly 12 feet from the lectern in the center of two rows of chairs, about two feet from a pool of reporters. A scrum of security agents descended on the man and wrestled him, first to the floor and then out of the ornate room where the news conference was taking place.

The president was uninjured and brushed off the incident. “All I can report is it is a size 10,” he said jokingly. An Iraqi accompanying the pool of reporters said the man had shouted, “This is a farewell kiss, dog.”

The Times also reported today on an unpublished government report with some dismal findings:

An unpublished 513-page federal history of the American-led reconstruction of Iraq depicts an effort crippled before the invasion by Pentagon planners who were hostile to the idea of rebuilding a foreign country, and then molded into a $100 billion failure by bureaucratic turf wars, spiraling violence and ignorance of the basic elements of Iraqi society and infrastructure.

....By mid-2008, the history says, $117 billion had been spent on the reconstruction of Iraq, including some $50 billion in United States taxpayer money.

The report is available here.

Some music for the arrested reporter who undoubtedly is not going to have a pleasant stay in custody: Paul Simon and Diamonds on the Soles of her Shoes:

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    Truly inspired music choice Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by ruffian on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:01:32 PM EST
    That had to be a disturbing moment for Bush.  I hope this doesn't cause a new security regime for the current and future president.

    And then there is (none / 0) (#7)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:33:48 PM EST
     "Your Feet's Too Big"

    Will reporters now be required to leave their shoes at the door?


    Who throws a shoe? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Lysis on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:04:52 PM EST
    Who throws them? (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:18:25 PM EST
    I'm guessing you can rule out those that wear Bruno Maglis or Manolo Blahniks.

    I wonder how many pairs (none / 0) (#6)
    by Fabian on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:31:58 PM EST
    of even my "best" shoes I would have to add up to get to one pair of those.  (Plus I hate shoe shopping.  Since I have no arches, most shoes simply don't work with my physiology.)

    My general rule for clothes & shoes is I don't get anything I would worry about damaging.  My stuff is destined to be worn until it is rags.  I don't need to worry about scuffs, stains or spills.  If it can't take what I dish out, it's too much trouble.  

    I remember how disappointed I was that my husband's down parka tore - especially when I realized how thin the fabric was.  Pathetic.  Down fill isn't cheap, so why not use a sturdy fabric?


    Or (none / 0) (#11)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:13:10 PM EST
    my fabulous new LaCoste sneakers.

    Maxwell Smart (none / 0) (#46)
    by kaleidescope on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 10:25:33 PM EST
    Answers his.

    I just saw the video of this (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:10:57 PM EST
    totally awesome.  Bush was stammering that he didn't know why this person did this.  Dr Martin Luther King Jr once said that violence was the language of the unheard.  The Iraqis don't want us there, Dubya...doncha get it?  

    I wish he woulda konked Bush at least once. That would have been hilarious!  

    No. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Fabian on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:40:19 PM EST
    The authorities would have had to punish him severely, if just to show that their authority.

    Hit or miss.... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 07:56:36 AM EST
    I'd bet the journalist got the business in some interrogation room somewhere in the colony.

    I think you called this one right (none / 0) (#83)
    by Amiss on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 11:44:17 PM EST
    Iraqi TV is reporting this (not Al-Zaidi's own station).

    Iraqi TV al-Sharqiya just reported on the news that AL-Zaidi is transferred to Camp Cropper prison [the Airport prison, managed by the American forces].

    The TV Channel announced that Al-Zaidi is in a difficult condition, with broken ribs and signs of tortures on his thighs. Also he can not move his right arm.


    Also link to McClatchy Article there as well


    Easy as pie... (none / 0) (#87)
    by kdog on Tue Dec 16, 2008 at 10:08:58 AM EST
    I ain't no Nostradamus...that was a gimme.

    If only predicting the outcome of a maiden claiming race was that easy:)


    It was an Insult Trifecta (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by No Blood for Hubris on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:51:28 PM EST
    1.  shoes thrown

    2.  shoe thrown being thrown at head

    3.  calling someone a "dog"

    the cultural equivalent of spitting right in Bush's face, but a little worse.

    How do you measure... (none / 0) (#40)
    by EL seattle on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 08:24:11 PM EST
    ... degrees of insult in terms of cultural comparison?  Is it really worse than a spit in the face?  How about a slap in the face?  At one time, I'd guess that the shoe throwing would have lead to "muskets at dawn!", but how many cultures ca.2008 have the eqivalent of "muskets at dawn" anymore?

    (And no, "sleeps with the fishes" does not count.   I think that there are plenty of cultures still have room for that concept these days.)


    Abysmal security. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:00:47 PM EST

    Oh, well then get ready to wear (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by andgarden on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:21:33 PM EST
    a hospital gown to important events. . .

    And slippers!


    The second shoe is worth quoting also: (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:15:48 PM EST

    What the man said, as he tossed the second shoe, was,"This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."

    The press gives little attention to our war dead.
    And no attention at all to the Iraqi dead.

    What's interesting to me is that they let the (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Angel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:58:51 PM EST
    video out in the first place.  This is the kind of thing both Dubya and the Iraqi government would probably like to keep quiet.  They could have confiscated everyone's cameras, phones, etc.  Why didn't they?  

    oh please jim, (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by cpinva on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 05:55:30 AM EST
    could you list the "good deeds" for us?

    I will add, "No good deed goes unpunished."

    i read the shoes missed by about 10 or 15 feet. after this guy gets out of jail (assuming he's ever actually heard from or seen again), he might have a future as an NFL QB.

    yes, saddam was a scumbag. i don't recall anyone actually arguing otherwise (except his dog, but he was paid). so is kim jung IL, the leaders of red china, the saudi king and princes, the list is nearly endless. and your point would be?

    4k+ americans killed, 20k+ wounded. 100K+ iraquis killed, ?k wounded. and this is only what's actually been reported. it fails to account for those simply "disappeared", and those who, because of the nearly total destruction of iraq's infrastructure, will die or sicken from disease.

    will the total reach 2 million? i have no clue. that said, it provides scant compensation to those who've died and suffered from this ill-advised misadventure.

    Don't even entertain (none / 0) (#84)
    by JamesTX on Tue Dec 16, 2008 at 07:28:12 AM EST
    the argument that we are somehow better off because the dog (mangy and rabid) hung Saddam. Clearly, if this young man is bleeding internally and can't move his right arm, there has been no improvement in Iraq whatsoever. If they didn't even have the foresight to understand that Americans and the rest of the world aren't into that kind of response to misbehavior, then we have the same old Iraq that we started with, except our little doggy's friends now own the oil.

    I just watched the video of the happening (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 07:20:24 AM EST
    It is stunning, really stunning to watch it surrounded by Christmas decor and high family spirits.  This guy had little time and he knew to make the most of it.  The throw wasn't a toss, it had velocity.  The energy behind his actions, the slow movement of the room to address what he did as an assault, the video tells its own tale of a unanimous consent among the civilized.  And the blank expression of our current president.....the lack of emotional register reads sociopath.

    OK, you have me laughing again. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Lil on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:37:47 AM EST
    Shoes to the White House! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Blowback on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 11:19:52 AM EST
    "This is a farewell kiss, you dog..."

    Really, the best thing we can do for Iraq now is support this journalist, Muntadhar al-Zeidi, and throw, deliver thousands, millions of pairs of shoes, tie them together, to the White House.

    Mail, UPS, FedEx, walk them to 1600 PA Ave, Washington, DC. Go to the White House and throw them over the fence to Bush as his Christmas, going away present.

    USA, show the world we support this wonderful act of dissent by a brave Iraqi.

    All received shoes should go to the homeless/needy or newly homeless due to current financial crisis.  


    "This is a farewell kiss, you dog..."

    Interesting (5.00 / 0) (#79)
    by DancingOpossum on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 12:16:31 PM EST
    Arthur Silber makes the point in a pretty powerful essay (not related to this incident) that one of the components of oppression is that often the oppressor gets to decide the "appropriate" form of protest the victim is allowed to make. So not only is someone abused, but they are only allowed to protest their treatment in ways that the victimizer deems fair--because to do otherwise might cause "discomfort" to the victimizer. I realize that this principle can be taken too far, but consider that that Iraqi man knows as well as we do that Bush is war criminal, a torturer, and a murderer, and will never be held to account for any of what he's done, and was gallivanting around the Iraqi man's country--a country he, Bush, invaded and ravaged--and he may well have thought that some form of protest, however "inappropriate," was the only right response.  

    He missed twice from 12 feet away? (none / 0) (#4)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:21:57 PM EST
    I swear, sometimes you just cannot get a break for love or money ...

    The reporter was probably (none / 0) (#18)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:09:44 PM EST
    one of very few people who had the security clearance to get within a 100 feet of Bush. I'm sure they were all cavity-searched for weapons beforehand. Nobody foresaw that a shoe would be thrown as a symbolic assault without any potential for actual injury.

    Now if only David Gregory would follow suite. Then I might forgive him for doing a rap and a dance with "MC Rove" at the Washington Correspondent's dinner last year.


    Not to mention the pan-Arabic (none / 0) (#5)
    by scribe on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:26:21 PM EST
    deeming of dogs as nasty and the calling someone a dog a serious insult.

    Not for nothing, he made a real two-fer.

    Here's hoping his captivity is short and easy.

    Insult (none / 0) (#8)
    by koshembos on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 03:44:05 PM EST
    It seems that no comment has mentioned that in the Arab world throwing a shoe at someone, usually a figure of authority, is considered the worst insult to the target.

    I bet a lot of commenters, @ least on TL (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:12:26 PM EST
    already know this.  I know I do...and I am not the sharpest tool in this particular toolshed.

    So (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by kaleidescope on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 10:27:30 PM EST
    In the pinball game of life, are your flippers a little further apart than most?

    That fact was emphasized (none / 0) (#41)
    by MoveThatBus on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 08:37:38 PM EST
    on the news report I saw on ABC.

    It's a terrible thing. (none / 0) (#12)
    by indy in sc on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:13:39 PM EST
    Believe me, I am no fan of President Bush, but no one should be subjected to that.  There are non-violent ways to protest and/or express your disgust.  The video of the incident is kinda scary because you don't know what's being hurled until it gets there.  I hope this doesn't set a precedent for other dignitaries visiting abroad.  You can't ask the press to leave their shoes at the door.

    hmm... strange sense of proportion, (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:29:09 PM EST
    IMO. Violent assaults? Gosh, how much blood is on Bush's hands?

    I'm not comparing the shoe-thrower's (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by indy in sc on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:34:38 PM EST
    actions to GWB's actions.  I'm saying that the reporter was wrong to throw his shoes at Bush.  Was he as wrong as the person that started an illegal war?  No--but that doesn't mean I can't find his actions wrong anyway.

    Well, I don't agree. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 04:42:12 PM EST
    Even the tiniest bit of personal accountablility for Bush's butchery is fine by me.

    Why was it "wrong to throw his (none / 0) (#20)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:35:01 PM EST
    shoes at Bush"; the supreme Butcher of Baghdad?

    It is inappropriate. (none / 0) (#22)
    by indy in sc on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:48:41 PM EST
    Let Bush be tried and, if found guilty of war crimes, imprisoned.  Shoes?  I get the insult it was meant to convey, but it's inappropriate.  

    Bush will never be tried, let alone (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 05:51:50 PM EST
    charged with any war crimes.
    Get real.

    There is a justice system for a reason. (none / 0) (#24)
    by indy in sc on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:00:43 PM EST
    I'm describing how things should be--not how they will be.  That there is no political will to try Bush doesn't mean that he should be pelted with shoes instead.

    OK (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:23:55 PM EST
    Since no one in Congress is going to do anything about it, what do you propose?

    I wish I had an answer (none / 0) (#70)
    by indy in sc on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:27:16 AM EST
    to that.  I don't.  All I know is that I have never been on the side of taking matters into your own hands in that way.  I'm all for protest--but protest that does not involve physical contact with the target.

    Put yourself in the shoe-thrower's place. (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:23:07 PM EST
    If some foreign leader had done to us what we did to Iraq, and no one in a position of power said or did anything about it, and you had a chance to throw a shoe to bring attention to the slaughter of civilians,... or to express your unbridled anger... you might at least consider doing so. Can you imagine someone saying to you, "Say, you know, that's kinda inappropriate."

    Uh..... We're not Iraq (1.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 11:08:56 PM EST
    Never have been. Our elections work quite well and our politics don't feature rape rooms and paper shredders.

    So you comparison doesn't hold water.


    Wow, where have you been... (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 12:37:57 AM EST
    Jimaka, what were you thinking when you said this:

    Our elections work quite well and our politics don't feature rape rooms and paper shredders.

    *Elections: I take it you've not heard about the 2000 election, which was decided by the Supreme Court in the midst of an ongoing recount; or the GOP dirty tricks in Ohio in 2004; or the GOP's ongoing voter suppression in 2008.

    *"Rape rooms"/Detainee Abuse: Did you not hear about the 14 year old Iraqi girl who was gang-raped, murdered, and set on fire by US soldiers while her family was forced to watch. What about our government's suspension of habeas corpus/imprisonment without trial; extraordinary rendition; and widespread use of torturous interrogation tactics that violate the Geneva Conventions, international law, and our own venerable Army Field Manual which also disallows those tactics.

    *Paper Shredders: What about Bush/Cheney/Rove withholding hundreds of thousands of emails which are supposed to be part of the official Presidential Records. On this one you might be right, since they deleted records rather than shredding them.

    Yeah, it's not like we've got any problems with "our politics".


    I'm certainly aware of the fact (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:35:54 AM EST
    that YOU have never been in Iraq, but many Americans are and have been now......just not YOU.

    No (none / 0) (#48)
    by kaleidescope on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 10:29:28 PM EST
    Walk a mile in the shoe thrower's shoes.

    Before or after "losing" his shoe (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by samtaylor2 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 10:48:30 PM EST
    Put yourself in (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by Blowback on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 01:43:20 AM EST
    the shoe thrower's shoes!

    Everybody, all shoes to 1600 PA Ave, DC till Jan 20th.


    Crowds protested Bush's '01 inauguration (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 07:57:52 PM EST
    Indy, if you think it's "inappropriate" for Iraqis to throw stuff at GW Bush, you must have been utterly aghast at the behavior of the the US citizens who protested his 2001 inauguration:
    George W. Bush's motorcade crept through the largest inaugural protests since Richard Nixon on Saturday, enduring thousands of protesters who hurled insults at the newly installed president. Some threw bottles, tomatoes and an egg and one demonstrator burned an American flag atop a lamppost.

    I wish some news organizations would relate today's individual Iraq incident to the momentous domestic protests that took place during Bush's inauguration. He has been an unmitigated disaster, beginning to end. He is reviled at home and abroad, so it's fitting that he goes out the same way he came in.


    I have no problem with protest, (none / 0) (#72)
    by indy in sc on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:28:52 AM EST
    but yes I'm "aghast" at those who took their protests to the point of throwing things.  Verbal insults are fine in my book--throwing bottles is not.

    I hear you Indy.... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:02:58 AM EST
    I woulda went with a pie myself, or rotten fruit...but it just may be a cultural thing.. we throw pies, they throw shoes.

    Or security was checking for pastries and/or produce of mass humiliation...leaving shoes as the only projectile available.


    What a change (none / 0) (#25)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:01:30 PM EST
    ...the arrested reporter who undoubtedly is not going to have a pleasant stay in custody...

    One can hardly imagine such behavior under Saddam, or if it did that the shoe chucker would still be in one piece and breathing.  Iraq has come a long way.

    What kind of flower (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by andgarden on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:08:38 PM EST
    makes a thump when you throw it?

    The news reports say shoes (none / 0) (#61)
    by Radical Faith on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 07:36:28 AM EST
    Dick Cheney would spin it as lady slippers.

    I don't think it possible (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:17:04 PM EST
    to put a positive spin on this.

    Which is Why (none / 0) (#49)
    by kaleidescope on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 10:33:02 PM EST
    Dana Perino was visibly distraught.

    What pray tell does this have to do with anything (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:26:10 PM EST
    Saddam was a bad guy. We all get it. He was in power for approximately 32 years and I have seen estimates as high as 2 million people killed by Saddam.

    Here are some estimates of the casualties of the Iraq conflict courtesy of George W. Bush. Regardless of which estimate you choose, the number of casualties is staggering even if not quite as high as Saddam's total.  If you accept a $50.00 bribe are you really less corrupt than someone who accepts a $50,000 bribe?

    So George Bush won't have the reporter killed because he throw a shoe and Saddam would have had the reporter killed. True, no doubt.  In the grand scheme of things, does this really make you feel better? Whoopee!


    Don't talk about (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Fabian on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 06:48:09 PM EST
    bad feelings.  When George Bush, the Senior encouraged a domestic uprising post Desert Storm and promised to come to the the insurgents' aid...they rose up and Saddam Hussein crushed them and Bush Sr did absolutely nothing.

    I was glad the Kurds gained the protection of the no fly zone, but the flagrant betrayal of the Shi'ia by Bush Sr. has always stayed with me.  What is the promise of a politician worth?  


    You missed the point (none / 0) (#35)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 07:05:50 PM EST
    So George Bush won't have the reporter killed because he throw a shoe and Saddam would have had the reporter killed. True, no doubt.

    This is not about Bush, its about Iraq.  Maliki did not have the guy executed or body parts cut off.  The reporter felt safe enough to make such protest.  That's quite a change, a huge change for the better.


    yes, he was safer in the presence (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 07:14:04 PM EST
    of Maliki than in  his own home, where he might be killed by American bombs or some ethnic death squads. Of course, now that the population has been reduced, his odds are somewhat better.
    Go Bush!

    You are making assumptions... (5.00 / 6) (#45)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 09:23:21 PM EST
    Unwarranted assumptions.

    You have no idea what is going to happen to this guy.
    And two - to assume that the reporter, who did what he did in the name of the orphans, widows and people killed in Iraq, would do what he did because he "felt safe" is nutty.

    He did what he did because he was angry.
    He did it in public.
    The cries he emitted while being "subdued" were not from one who felt safe.
    He knew he was taking his life in his hands to make this public protest and was brave enough, driven enough and angry enough to do it.

    To try to spin this into a "isn't it great what we have accomplished in Iraq" story - from one of coming to terms with the horrors we have inflicted on the civilian population and our own young soldiers is twisted.


    While I can appreciate what it is you (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 07:06:24 AM EST
    are pointing out in this particular instance, Women's rights in Iraq have badly eroded post Saddam.  We also have no guarantee that being able to speak freely will not be a death sentence to anyone in Iraq in the near future.  The violently warring factions of Iraq encourage a climate of silencing dissent and Iraq may quickly find its way back to the old ways very soon after the U.S. pulls out and everyone begins jockeying for position within the power vacuum

    Hmmm (none / 0) (#69)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 09:59:54 AM EST
    Women's rights in Iraq have badly eroded post Saddam.

    Does that assessment include the closing of government sponsored rape rooms?


    The last I heard (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:31:54 AM EST
    we decided to not shut down Abu Ghraib, but hopefully those representing U.S. interests stopped raping the prisoners there and all other installations where the U.S. is holding prisoners in Iraq.  It is rough though to make those sorts of promises due to bad apples and hard stuff.

    Hmmm (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by jondee on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 11:06:57 AM EST
    Of course, when people get raped in American prisons, its just part of the tough-on-crime experience.

    And we dont call them "government sponsored rape rooms"; mainly because we're not trying to garner support for a liberation of the prisons.


    They're not closed (none / 0) (#76)
    by cenobite on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:42:27 AM EST
    They're just under new management.

    Ask the shoeless reporter how big a change it is? (none / 0) (#56)
    by Blowback on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 01:46:16 AM EST
    shoes to 1600 PA Ave till Jan 20.

    I don't think I am the one missing it (none / 0) (#64)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:05:02 AM EST
    So Maliki won't have the reporter killed because he throw a shoe and Saddam would have had the reporter killed.

    Ok I formulated it your way. Keep digging, there must be a pony in there somewhere.


    I wish I had said that. (2.00 / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 11:10:36 PM EST
    I will add, "No good deed goes unpunished."

    I wonder if this means.... (none / 0) (#81)
    by dutchfox on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 03:34:23 PM EST
    reporters will now go barefoot to press conferences.

    Dennis Perrin

    Of course, if any American tried the same thing, the penalty would be severe, since attacking the imperial manager is a serious felony. Not to worry. American journos, especially those covering the White House, are too well conditioned to ever make an al-Zaidi move. Their job is to kiss and polish the president's shoes, not throw their own.

    As the AP headline put it, "Bush's Iraq-Afghan farewell tour marred by dissent." Marred. Yep, that pretty much sums up our domestic media mindset. Meanwhile, American liberals are enjoying a mighty laugh over the shoe toss. Were the same to happen to Obama, libs would be the first to scream foul, angered by the lack of foreign respect for the Leader of The Free World, especially from ungrateful Iraqis, who don't have the decency to finance their own submission, as Obama repeatedly points out

    These boots are (none / 0) (#37)
    by WS on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 07:54:51 PM EST
    made for walking (or throwing at Bush, take your pick)

    As an insulted American, (none / 0) (#39)
    by Lil on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 08:03:05 PM EST
    tears are rolling down my cheeks from laughing. I know I shouldn't be but I'm having a completely cathartic moment and just can't stop laughing. I have to say I was pretty impressed with Bush's duck. Bush-be-gone. It's not really funny but I'm splitting my side.

    Bush's reflexes.... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:07:09 AM EST
    were pretty impressive...it is almost as if he expects people to throw sh*t at him, and has his head on a swivel at all times while in public...expecially in country he decided to p*ss on since we just had to p*ss on somebody, and they had "good targets".

    The years of alcohol and cocaine abuse (none / 0) (#67)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:28:28 AM EST
    have not had adverse impact on his reflexes or his ability to be a real heel from time to time or a man with some soul.

    scrum?? (none / 0) (#42)
    by ding7777 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 08:38:05 PM EST
    A scrum of security agents descended on the man

    1. Sports
    a. A play in Rugby in which the two sets of forwards mass together around the ball and, with their heads down, struggle to gain possession of the ball.
    b. The mass or formation of players during such a play.

    2. Chiefly British A disordered or confused situation involving a number of people.

    Justified to a degree (none / 0) (#43)
    by ctrenta on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 08:42:57 PM EST
    I hear where people are coming from. You don't want civility going down the tubes, opening the door to more crazier behaviors at press conferences but do you blame him?

    Over 100,000 Iraqis and 4,209 U.S. soldiers died over over a blatant lie. Iraq WAS NOT an imminent threat to the United States. Now civil war, ethnic cleansing, no sanitation or electricity, a trillion dollar deficit that's going to take forever to get out of, and an economy thats going to tank on the horizon.  

    Given the crimes that Bush, Cheney, et al have committed, it's amazing we're complaining whether this journalist did something insulting. I think we should all collectively look at what our country's become and what our government has done in Iraq. It's shameful... yet we don't want to look at it for what it really is.

    I'm surprised something worse didn't happen to Bush. That's how bad he is.

    "Given the crimes that Bush, Cheney, et al (5.00 / 5) (#44)
    by lentinel on Sun Dec 14, 2008 at 09:15:06 PM EST
    have committed", isn't it telling that our very own Congress will not say anything or do anything about it? Impeachment? How unseemly.

    They are like the people who think the shoe-thrower was impolite.


    So what about justice? (none / 0) (#58)
    by ctrenta on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 06:04:35 AM EST

    How do we hold this administration accountable? Twenty years from now when the dust settles and we have a clearer idea what they did, people are going to wonder why we didn't do anything. This is about justice and doing the right thing, not about political expediency. That's not what I expect from our elected officials and I don't think the Founding Fathers did either.  

    Blame him? (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 08:09:28 AM EST
    Sh*t, I salute him.

    You know he got a serious beatdown at the least...it took a lot of courage to do what he did, and non-violently, by todays standards at least.


    I think it is (none / 0) (#85)
    by JamesTX on Tue Dec 16, 2008 at 07:41:09 AM EST
    important to realize that this was not "violence" as Americans would interpret it. The act is a symbolic act within cultural context. In fact, it happened to me one time. The end result was that I was educated as to how I had insulted a person that I knew little about, and ultimately led to a better relationship. When it was done to me, I did not feel afraid or feel like I had been physically attacked. I knew immediately that I was being symbolically insulted, even though I knew nothing of the tradition or the culture. If this guy wanted to hurt Bush, he was close enough and had access to heavier and more dangerous thing to hit him with.

    I agree... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Tue Dec 16, 2008 at 10:06:10 AM EST
    I considered the shoe tossing a form of non-violent protest...though techincally it could be considered an act of violence, I don't see it that way.

    It's like an American throwing a pie, or a European throwing rotten fruit.  A protest expressing extreme displeasure.

    The poor slob might get 2 years...that'll do wonders for our pr.  


    Please, everyone bring shoes to (none / 0) (#54)
    by Blowback on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 01:35:14 AM EST
    1600 PA Ave. Wash. DC between now & January 20, 2009.

    Mark My Words (none / 0) (#74)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 10:35:39 AM EST
    There will be parades and perhaps an annual day of recognition for the shoe thrower. He is a national hero.

    Everybody who is in DC (none / 0) (#80)
    by Blowback on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 01:21:08 PM EST
    or will be in DC before January 20, 2009.

    Toss your shoes over the fence at the White House!

    The media will pick it up if enough do it.

    Democracy in action? (none / 0) (#82)
    by AdamA on Mon Dec 15, 2008 at 09:33:34 PM EST
    From NYT,  "He called the incident a sign of democracy in the country, saying, "That's what people do in a free society -- draw attention to themselves," as the man's screaming could be heard outside.

    So as the man is being beat ... "They kicked him and beat him until "he was crying like a woman," within ear-reach, Bush has to talk LOUDER to cover up the ... democracy?  the sounds of democracy??
    Protesters will be beat.  Bush continues by saying something stupid about gestures with your hand but not five fingers.  

    Just more whatever ...