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    I knew Mccain was gonna do bad (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:07:35 PM EST
    when he said to that man " you probably never heard of Freddie and Fannie before last week"

    What an ass.

    Yeah, because he only realized the (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:26:36 PM EST
    fundamentals of the economy weren't strong last week.

    heh (none / 0) (#30)
    by coigue on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 10:52:38 AM EST
    MSNBC focus group (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:31:09 PM EST
    Independents overwhelmingly responded more positively to Obama.

    I guess when McCain was a naval officer, they forgot to teach him how to be a gentleman.

    Officer AND a gentleman? (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:32:31 PM EST
    He thought it was officer OR a gentleman!

    No one familiar with McCain's personal life could have any illusions about his being a gentleman.


    Well, he learned everything he knows (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:49:49 PM EST
    about the Navy from a Chief Petty Officer.  Wha duh you expect?

    I'll bet the Chief Petty Officer (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:52:05 PM EST
    was more of a gentleman than McCain.

    Wow. That guy (5.00 / 0) (#8)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:37:25 PM EST
    was reading my mind. And yours. All of our minds. Like a Borg collective moment. (But the good Borgs who didn't want to assimilate others.)

    Fantastic, but. . . (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:40:39 PM EST
    the truth is Obama doesn't represent a new, Republican-smashing Democratic philosophy.  Neither did Clinton, really.  There's not yet an overriding "theory" to replace Reaganism and without such a policy Reaganism will still be -- if temporarily not dominant -- the de facto baseline policy for the country.

    Health Care should be a RIGHT! (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:47:59 PM EST
    My favorite part. Damn right. How could any civilized society allow a child to die from a curable disease because he doesn't have the money to pay for a necessary procedure?

    "And a child must die of (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by mg7505 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 02:27:27 AM EST
    pellagra because a profit cannot be squeezed from an orange." -Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

    Seemed like McCain was criticizing (2.00 / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:55:50 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's plan, not Barack Obama's.  

    Why does this matter? (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by gentlyweepingguitar on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 01:14:51 AM EST
    What's more important to you? Affordable health care for all as a right in our country, or Hillary Clinton?

    What would you rather do? (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Steve M on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 01:17:26 AM EST
    Ask total non sequitur questions on the Internet, or eat pistachio ice cream?

    Cant we do both? (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Thanin on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 01:28:44 AM EST
    Single payer (none / 0) (#29)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 04:38:11 AM EST
    Single payer is simple.
    Everyone gets coverage.
    It does not involve a profit making insurance industry.
    Both McCain and Obama oppose it.

    How about the video of the ending (none / 0) (#2)
    by wasabi on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:22:55 PM EST
    How about posting the video of the ending where McCain slaps Obama on the back, then waves for Obama to shake hands with his wife.  Then Obama approaches McCain to shake his hand and he walks off.  Nice....

    Andrea Mitchell (none / 0) (#7)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:35:34 PM EST
    said the mortgage buying was a strategy cooked up by McCain's economic advisors so that they would have a big economic surprise to propose tonight. Bad reaction, because it makes people wonder what the $700 billion was for.

    I thought the purpose of it was to avoid talking about his history as a de-regulator of financial markets.

    Mitchell says McCain didn't have the knock-out punch he needed.

    KO asks Mitchell about McCain defense of "that one" by saying he's used it before on the stump!!! But Mitchell says that minorities thought it was racist, others thought dismissive.

    HOLC Smash McCain! (none / 0) (#9)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:37:51 PM EST
    Although we all may like McCain's HOLC proposal to his base it's just going to be seen as socialized homeowning.  A point or two off McCain's ratings.

    I kinda wish (none / 0) (#12)
    by Steve M on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:40:45 PM EST
    the Obama campaign would frame it as McCain being so desperate for new ideas that he ripped off something Hillary Clinton wrote about in the Wall Street Journal a couple weeks ago.

    But they probably wouldn't do that, because there's no point in calling attention to McCain's idea.  After all, people might decide it's a good idea and then where are you.


    Well. . . (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:43:41 PM EST
    if it really becomes an issue (I'm not convinced it will) then it would be nice for Obama to appear with Clinton to announce his support for her plan, and not McCain's weak-kneed version of it.

    That would be nice because a) I still want to see him eat a tiny little slice of humble (or, at least, gracious) pie (I don't claim to be a good person) and b) it might bring some of the remaining Clinton fence-sitters home.


    Exaclty (none / 0) (#14)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:43:31 PM EST
    It bugs me that Obama didn't raise it (though apparently its part of the bill that passed earlier-- and I'm guessing the spin/reality is going to be "What McCain proposes is already possible, but we need to put people in charge with the will to do it" which is where Obama will obviously have an edge, hell the real upside of this is that when Obama does it will look all "post-partisan" now and give him a boost in Feb. or March-- be nice thing in 2012).  McCain's base is going to kill him on this, and what's he going to do point them to an article by Hillary (the female anti-christ) or talk about how FDR did it back in the day (that class traitor!)?

    I am shocked (none / 0) (#10)
    by Steve M on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:38:36 PM EST
    that McCain did not score more points with that awesome "overhead projector" attack.  You can tell he thought that one was great, he even used it twice.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:53:34 PM EST
    the overhead projector and a couple of smart boards in the Des Moines public high school are what triggered the entire financial crisis.

    Obama won ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 10:42:48 PM EST
    but it was a soporific performance, and a complete bore to anyone who's followed this campaign at all.  All talking points we've heard a million times before.

    McCain did make some news in offering his mortgage proposal.  But he didn't introduce it in an interesting way.  This may be bigger news in the coming days.  We'll see.

    Neither candidate is good at thinking on his feet, or adapting to this current environment.

    Still, Obama held his position which keeps him ahead.

    McCain's base (none / 0) (#23)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:59:56 PM EST
    hates the mortgage buying proposal.

    Anyway, I am not sure who owns those mortgages at this point. They were sold by the lending banks to the financial institutions, who then packaged them into pools and sold investment contracts based on the project revenues from the aggregate stream of mortgage payments.

    That should mean the financial institutions who packaged the mortgages into pools and issued the securities still "own" the mortgages -- that is, they have been assigned all the legal rights of the original lenders, including the right to foreclose if there is a default.

    But one of the problem with the mortgage backed securities is that the purchasers can no longer predict the extent to which their securities are being or will be affected.  So the government could buy the mortgages that are in default now, but how would they identify the mortgages that are likely to default but haven't done so yet? They'd have to wait and see what happens, which isn't the "immediate fix" that McCain suggests it is.


    Does that beat (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 11:51:26 PM EST
    "reckless, feckless, etc."?

    If Pakistan... (none / 0) (#28)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 08, 2008 at 04:34:50 AM EST
    Obama said, "If Pakistan is unable or unwilling to hunt down Bin Laden and 'take him out', then we should."

    (It is interesting how mafioso language, "take him out", meaning "to murder", is now mainstream.)

    But this statement by Obama is so open-ended and indefinite, it does not reassure anyone that he would not continue Bush's current policy of bombing "suspected" terrorists, violating Pakistan's sovereignty, and slaughtering civilians in the process. His statement does not reassure me, and it sure as hell wouldn't reassure any Pakistanis.

    McCain and Obama both make me despair that either of them would significantly alter our foreign policy which alienates peoples around the world and makes them our enemies.

    I suppose that McCain is the nuttier of the two...
    But Obama's self-righteous style of proclaiming he would not invade Pakistan and then saying in the same sentence that he would if he felt like it ("actionable intelligence"), is scary as well.
    He thinks we should give Afghanistan an ultimatum to do as we wish, and if they don't, bombs away.