Late Night: Desperado, Running On Empty

McCain/Palin: They are Desperados now, Running on Empty.

McCain's options are dwindling, the electoral map is not favoring him. This is an open thread.

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    Jay Cost predicts (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:12:25 PM EST
    that McCain and/or Republicans will campaign hard on Ayres, Rezko, and Wright.

    I agree with him that it's McCain's last, best shot. But my guess is that it won't be enough.

    The more negative (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:49:54 PM EST
    McCain goes the angrier he appears, playing right into role of the erratic candidate with a poor temperament for the position.

    Being McNasty does not bode well for a candidate trying to claim the mantel of change. In addition, someone forgot to tell Palin that winking, flirty, and folksy don't play well if your daytime job is a mudslinger.

    If these two keep it up, LarryInNYC will certainly be practicing his Nadia routines and may even stick the dismount before November 4th.


    Dismount: also known as (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:51:14 PM EST
    the "round off."  

    Spectacular Play On Words (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:06:26 AM EST
    the "round off"

    Very well done. That earns you a Bo Derek doll from Len Goodman, Carrie Ann Inaba, and Bruno Tonioli.


    I only now know this because I doubted (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14:14 AM EST
    Larry's "round off" of 9.5 to 10.  But it turns out he is correct.  

    Yes (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:20:13 AM EST
    9.5 does round to ten, but the Gwen Ifill question he refuses to answer (pulling a Palin) is, will he do a double round off? 9.46 rounds to 9.5 rounds to 10. Inquiring minds want to know.

    Ah. May not matter. Didn't (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:23:23 AM EST
    one poll today have Obama winning by 11?

    The only silver lining ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:23:42 AM EST
    I see for McCain is that Obama isn't breaking 10% in most of these polls.  

    And if there is some hidden McCain support, as many pollsters think there is, then McCain may just have to pull this back a few points.

    If all of this is true, going negative could be enough.

    But having to pin a campaign strategy on "ifs" is never good thing.


    Add: Rashid Khalidi (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:24:18 PM EST
    Which is ridiculous (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:27:30 PM EST
    Khalidi is controversial for his views, not for anything he did.

    In any case, he's assigned by some of the most pro-Israel professors I know.


    Just another obfuscating factor for (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:44:29 PM EST
    McCain/Palin to throw in the mix.  Heck, The Rev. Jeremiah Wright hasn't "done" anything either, at least that I'm aware of.

    I have big problems with Khalidi (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:50:15 PM EST
    and have written about him several times.  

    Here's Khalidi on the Charlie Rose Show, May 12, 2004 (available on Lexis.com):

    KHALIDI: Palestinians and the Israelis are going to continue to live in a situation of what I would call worse than apartheid. There`s one state and one sovereignty between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. There`s one state and one sovereignty that controls everything to do with security, and the Palestinians live in open-air prison camps, reservations, call them what you will, tiny little dots, splotches in a swath of Israeli control of most of the West Bank.

    CHARLIE ROSE: What might change that prognosis?

    RASHID KHALIDI: The Israeli people could change it, and the United States could change its policy back. That, and the Palestinians getting -- and finally, the Palestinians and the Arabs getting their act together.
    (emphasis supplied)

    Here's Khalidi in 2001, speaking at an Open Tent meeting on six prerequisties for peace in the Middle East (Rashid Khalidi Outlines Peace Prerequisites at Open Tent Plenary, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs July 31, 2001, available on Lexis.com):

       The third prerequisite, Khalidi said, is Israel's acceptance of the pre-1967 Green Line.

        "If we proceed that far," he continued, "the fourth prerequisite is a reversal of settlements, which have led to the settlers-only bypass roads, apartheid, racist zoning and violence." (emphasis supplied.)

        Fifth is to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of both states. Sixth, according to Khalidi, is the right of return, compensation and acknowledgment by Israel of its responsibility to refugees it drove from Palestine. "It is outrageous that Israel ignores U.N. Resolution 194 and says the 300,000 Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon cannot return," he asserted, "while any Jew in the world can go to Israel.

        ....When asked how other world powers could help the Palestinians, Dr. Khalidi commented: "I don't foresee an apocalypse, but there must be intervention to halt the apartheid. This downward spiral is dangerous for the Palestinians. What Washington doesn't see is the fury of the people in Arab countries. What is being done to the Palestinians is hidden in the U.S. but not in Arab states. The people are going to react and boycott U.S. products. (emphasis supplied)

    When asked whether he called Israel's policies racist or compared them to apartheid, according to the New York Times, Khalidi responded (NY Times, February 28, 2005, available on Lexis.com):

        The New York Sun has reported that Professor Khalidi has called Israel a ''racist'' state with an ''apartheid system,'' and has endorsed the killing of Israeli soldiers as legitimate ''resistance'' to occupation.

        TRUE? ''I may have used the word 'racist' about Israeli policies,'' Professor Khalidi said in interviews Friday and yesterday. ''In a speech I talked about the system of control of Palestinians, where they cannot move, and I said if that system is maintained, it would develop into worse than the apartheid system.''

    I've always said Obama's friendship with Khalidi would be a problem for him with Jewish voters. Hopefully, they will fear evangelical Sarah Palin more. So please, no defense of Khalidi here, because then I will have to write more about him. And yes, he's even more strident and pro-Palestinean in his  classes, according to a friend of mine who took one of classes not long ago.


    I don't agree with him, (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:01:50 AM EST
    and I accept that he is highly controversial, but I would point out two things: first, we should not be judged by the views of people we know and even might consider friends (lots of professors who disagree 100% about every issue meet socially), and second that the statements from Khalidi that you point out, though I disagree with them, are mild compared to much of the rhetoric you hear about Israel on the extreme left.

    That's just about all I have to say on the subject.


    Shoot I'll tell anyone straight up, (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:17:46 AM EST
    I have racist, sexist, anti-semetic, homophobic, and/or fundalmentalist friends and I don't subscribe to any of those viewpoints. Although that being said, to be fair, what does that say about people like me and apparently Obama? Be nice please. I'm thin-skinned.  :)

    In my opinion it say very little about you (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:22:24 AM EST
    When I googled "Khalidi Obama," (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:21:57 AM EST
    one link alleged Ayers and Obama raised money for the PLO via one of the foundations for which both men worked.  Don't know if that is true, however.  There are many "hits" for Khalidi Obama. As is his wont, Obama, as in the case of Rezko and Ayers, downplayed the extent of his relationship with Khalidi.  

    What is there to defend? You did not attack. (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by cymro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 03:49:04 AM EST
    You quoted him making several (IMO) reasonable assessments of the actual situation in the middle east. You offered no counter arguments. If you disagree with his statements, then you should explain why.

    Yeah.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:56:11 AM EST
    Is anyone arguing that Palestinians living in occupied territories aren't subject to a system comparable to apartheid?

    If you gotta wait on a line a mile long to get through a checkpoint to go to work or the store everyday, and possibly get shot with rubber bullets for your trouble...you got legit beefs.  Too bad a presidential candidate can't admit as much.


    Does anyone think (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:34:33 PM EST
    Hagel's wife's endorsement of Obama today (which most understand is essentially a proxy endorsement by Sen. Hagel) will have any impact on that 2nd congressional district in Neb. for that electoral vote?

    Maybe? (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:45:19 PM EST
    [I just learned Maine and Nebraska aren't winner take all re electoral votes.]

    Omaha (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:57:02 PM EST
    My 354 EV's prediction for Obama has Omaha in the blue column. When Palin had to make a trip there yesterday it's obvious what is happening. Somewhere (link unknown as it was a few days ago) it was mentioned that internal polling gave Obama a 6 pt lead in Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District. They also have two field offices there.

    Me too. (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:47:51 PM EST
    Yes, but (none / 0) (#8)
    by jpete on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:49:13 PM EST
    things change.  Can one message, one word create a sudden change in millions of voters?  Possibly.

    it will be hard to do (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:58:55 PM EST
    with early voting. It's early begun in several places.

    I read an article today (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 11:58:32 PM EST
    that said early voting in Ohio has been slightly disappointing there. The article also kind of suggested GOP suppression efforts MAY have had a slight impact. Should I be concerned?

    Boulder, CO is already voting (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:03:50 AM EST
    today was the last registration day in Colorado and in many places they stayed open till 7pm to accommodate those who were in line at 5.

    Democrats now outnumber Republicans in suburban, Republican Arapahoe County.


    That's reassuring. If that's being at least (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 12:19:35 AM EST
    duplicated in a few other swing states, one state being stolen won't matter.

    Palin's purpose (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarany on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:31 AM EST
    is (one of) her insidious purpose(s) to sex up men, even men who know better?
    Nation article on Sarah Palin epitomizes "The Rules" girl (90's anti-feminism bestseller on how girls get ahead in a man's world)

    I heard a guy (who knows better) say his heart melted when she winked.  Ugh.

    In Florida yesterday, and in front of the base, she's the Cheerleader at at Bloodsport. In front of the nation, she's Joe Six Pack's fantasy girl, doin' her best with her heart in the right place doggone it, lovin' us all, even us sinners.