Friday Night Open Thread

High school football night. I need to pick a team. My Gators stink, but I'll be rooting for them tomorrow when they visit Arkansas.

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    The Ducks (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:43:06 PM EST
    will try to become the second Oregon team this year to take down USC. And the game will be on national TV. Ducks' games don't show up on broadcast television very often. Hopefully, we'll get through the game without losing another quarterback.

    And, sadly, my Cubbies are holding a little too true to form. Please, oh please, let them beat the Dodgers tomorrow.

    And hopefully.. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:51:37 PM EST
    The Ducks come out in the all whites, which shows off their very cool green helmets, and not the top and bottom banana outfit they have sported at times in the past (what were they thinking)

    Gators early Ducks late. A good day for football.

    Go Gators
    Go Ducks


    Ugh, those yellow uniforms (none / 0) (#21)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:12:28 PM EST
    Phil Knight and Nike have done a lot for Oregon athletics, but those uniforms were a disaster. It's an away game for Oregon, so maybe it will be the white outfits.

    A little pride seeps out of me (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Burned on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:49:05 PM EST
    Statement of Rep. Hank Johnson on Opposing the Second Wall Street Bailout Bill

    Here's Hank

    “I remain in agreement with many of the greatest economic minds in the country that there are alternatives to this acutely flawed bill -- yet none of those alternatives were even considered.  In a debate as serious as this, I find it profoundly disturbing that there was one, and only one, option.”

    This is the long paragraph. There are only two.

    Posted because sometimes Georgia doesn't suck politically.

    A nice laundrey (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:49:47 PM EST
    list of examples showing up exactly how the Right's faux-populist crapola about "smaller government" is the patent fraud that it is, also would be worth a little of O or B's time.

    Isn't it ironic that the party of ... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by santarita on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:03:54 PM EST
    small government and less regulation is ending their turn at the helm (hopefully) with bloated government (AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as their crown jewels) and people demanding more regulation and oversight.  If there is a cycle to these sorts of things, Bush certainly hastened the end of the cycle.

    so the dems have nothing to do (none / 0) (#99)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 05:13:46 AM EST
    with it?

    Hear is an article from 2003 with dems resisting a move for more regulations for fannie and freddie


    This is a tough time (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by cal1942 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST
    The tension is overwhelming.  The Presidential election and the college football season.

    When you're heavily, emotionally invested in both the tension is never ending.

    If the Presidential election looked today like a blow out win for Obama I'd be able handle a klunker season for Michigan State.  God knows we're used to that.

    But a stellar season for the Spartans (fat chance) won't offset a Republican win so most of the tension comes from worry about the BIG game, the one that really matters.

    Right now Obama has all of Gore's states (solid or leaning) from 2000 plus New Hampshire (Gore would have won had he carried NH).  But that group has had a net loss of 6 or 7 electoral votes since 2000.

    Need one more state with more than 6 electoral votes.

    Football? Big TEN. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:51:19 PM EST
    Just sayin'

    Right-o! (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:59:31 PM EST
    Tomorrow is homecoming at MSU.  Big game against Iowa.  I can still see Andre Rison's catch and run against them from 1988 like it was yesterday.

    And two two years before (none / 0) (#58)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:41:03 AM EST
    in '86 against Iowa when we came from behind and then Yarema threw an interception in the closing seconds inside Iowa's 5 yard line.

    If I'm remembering correctly didn't Rison carry a couple of Iowa defenders into the end zone?


    I didn't realize... (none / 0) (#103)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 10:27:11 AM EST
    ...that we are such big players in your football memories.  

    Hopefully today's game will be as memorable.  Two of the best rushers in the conference head-to-head and Kirk's job security is in question.  

    The Hawkeyes can't turn the ball over like they did last week and expect to win on road though.


    Heh (none / 0) (#104)
    by Steve M on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 10:37:05 AM EST
    Well obviously you remember the game as well!  It was like Rison realized, as incompetent as the MSU offense was that year, either he scored on this play or else.  You know, you only attend so many football games in the course of a college career (unless you're on the 8-year plan like many MSU students) so they have a way of sticking with you.

    Sending warm wishes to Wisconsin (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:16:42 AM EST
    for tomorrow's game v. OSU.  

    when ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by dws3665 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 11:59:31 PM EST
    will this conference learn to count?

    There aren't thirteen teams in the Big 12.

    That's all I'm sayin.

    And ... c'mon ... Big 10? Wave as the rest of college football passes you by.

    Oh, and btw: Woo Pig, Soooiee! (yeah, I know, not a good year for the Hogs)


    We kind of like (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:52:20 AM EST
    the name Big 10.

    After U. of Chicago dropped football the Big 10 had 9 teams until Michigan State was admitted about 10 years later.  Still called the Big 10.

    And ... c'mon ... Big 10? Wave as the rest of college football passes you by

    That's not understanding what college football is all about, about what it means to the communities where these fine colleges are located.

    Explain to me why Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State still draw over 100,000 to each home game, why Michigan State, Wisconsin and Illinois draw more than 70,000 for every home game and Iowa draws over 60,000 for every home game.

    I remember when your Big 12 was the Big 8 and for quite some time referred to as Oklahoma and the 7 dwarfs.

    Inter-conference successes ebb and flow over the years.


    One more thing (none / 0) (#68)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:56:14 AM EST
    Five of the eighht states in Big Ten country are fairly reliably Democratic.  How many states in Big 12 country can make that statement.

    it's even worse (none / 0) (#70)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:01:33 AM EST
    I'm an SEC Fan, not the Big 12 -- I was just using it as a numerical example.

    Are we talking politics or football?!?!? ;-)

    The politics of the SEC states are neanderthal, for the most part. Arkansas has Dem senators, FL has one, and so does LA -- but other than that it's very slim political pickings.


    Larry's alluding to another imaginary ten. . . (none / 0) (#40)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:08:24 AM EST
    oh (none / 0) (#62)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:47:29 AM EST
    okay - guess the reference just flew right past me, sorry.

    Larry keeps insisting (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:52:27 AM EST
    that Obama will win by 10.

    aaaah. (none / 0) (#83)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:28:05 AM EST
    thanks for the clarification.

    From Larry's lips ...


    Flew home to SC today from DC (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by dws3665 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 11:56:15 PM EST
    and seated next to me was none other than my own Senator, Lindsay Graham. He asked to read my hotel-provided copy of the NYT, saying "I need to read what the enemy has to say." I told him that at least he'd be able to answer if Katie Couric asked him what paper he read (he laughed).

    He asked if I had watched the debate and what my impressions were. Was a bit flummoxed as I tried to pick my words carefully, and he said "Biden did very well." I told him that Palin had not embarrassed herself but that she was a) too scripted, b) evasive, and c) lacking gravitas appropriate for the office and occasion. He did not disagree and asked me what I thought about "the winking stuff."

    Again, told him I thought it was inappropriate, and he said, "yeah, we have to get her to cut it out." My final comment was that (borrowing from a blog post I read last night) she seemed more like a Sunday morning TV surrogate than a candidate, and he said, "That's interesting, and a good way to put it." He then asked if she reminded me of anyone, and I said, "As a matter of fact, Marge Gunderson from Fargo." He didn't seem to know the reference, and then -- in all seriousness -- said that he thought Palin was exactly like Marge Simpson. He thought this was not an insult (though I don't think he thought it was a compliment, either). Weird.

    We also talked about local politics (he surprised me by having some fairly progressive ideas on local issues) and the bailout, and he had some fairly harsh words for his colleague Sen. DeMint (only member of the SC cong delegation who voted/was planning on voting no). He said this was his last weekend at home before going on the road to help McCain (I didn't wish him good luck).

    Whole event made more surreal because, when he sat down next to me, I was reading David Sedaris' latest, "When You Are Engulfed in Flames," and in particular the chapter where Sedaris discusses how he first came out. Insert your own punchline.

    Sorry for the long post, but I thought I would share this with the TL family.

    Good story (none / 0) (#38)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:07:34 AM EST
    I often used to run into Arlen Specter (And Carper, and Biden. . .) on Amtrak.

    I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have the nerve to ask him about his private life--which is what he counts on.


    yes (none / 0) (#48)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:18:53 AM EST
    It would have been awkward. I must say that he was much more personable -- and candid -- than I would have imagined from his public persona and seeing him on tv. He actually went up in my estimation a bit.

    We had a long taxi after we landed, and he immediately whipped out his phone and started dictating some press release-type statements to someone (an aide? PR person?). Not surprisingly, they did not entirely match what he said in our discussion (especially about Palin - "she passed the test" was a phrase he kept trying out).


    He's a good advocate for the cause (none / 0) (#50)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:23:40 AM EST
    he's tied himself too.

    Anyway, I think the fact that he's gay is one of the biggest open secrets in Congress.


    Amtrak (none / 0) (#54)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:29:17 AM EST
    Are you in Philly? Former Wilmington, DE, resident here. In fact, Biden was commencement speaker at my UD graduation (using, I believe, most of the infamous Kinnock "plagiarized" speech). Carper has become a real disappointment to me.

    Philly native, (none / 0) (#55)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:32:03 AM EST
    undergrad in Washington, D.C., currently in New York.

    Gay Republicans (none / 0) (#78)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:21:37 AM EST
    I have never understood that.

    well... (none / 0) (#89)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:39:59 AM EST
    there could be a lot of reasons -- pocketbook issues (i.e., hatred of taxes), distrust of big government (I'm being doctrinal here, not factual), and good old-fashioned self-loathing. Some folks don't want to belong to any group that would have them as members (h/t Groucho Marx).

    People vote for all kinds of reasons. It would be a better world if "rationality" were higher on the list.


    Makes sense. (none / 0) (#94)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:50:09 AM EST
    The only gay Republicans I know are very wealthy people. And their perceived economic interests trump all else. They are also pretty confident that their economic status will insulate them from the slings and arrows the rest must dodge.

    Class really does trump all.


    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 05:03:03 AM EST
    They are rich enough to be gay.  Sort of like alot of progressives, they are rich enough to be progressive.

    Wow! (none / 0) (#45)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:17:40 AM EST
    Fascinating story, great experience!

    I've always been terribly ambivalent about Lindsey Graham because he's struck me as somebody who actually knows better.

    What was your sense of the vibe?  I mean in terms of genuineness and honesty and basic intelligence, stuff like that.  (He's always seemed to me obviously gay, although possibly so deep in the closet he doesn't realize it himself really.)

    He sounds like he was doing what all really good politicians do, picking the brain of whoever he comes in contact with.  Very interesting that he was so non-committal and interested in your opinion/reaction.

    Sounds like you did really, really well in giving him honest information about how you think about Palin, etc., without being hostile about it.  Good for you.


    ambivalence (none / 0) (#53)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:27:14 AM EST
    Good word - I was fairly contemptuous of him prior to this meeting, but as I said above, he went up a bit in my estimation. I would have to say that he probably does know better - he seemed smart and to have a decent understanding of the issues. When we were discussing the bailout, he said, "If this doesn't pass today, go buy some gold." Which I thought was a pretty wild thing for a senator to say (though I know some posters here think the 'crisis' is exaggerated). He seemed genuinely motivated by making sure that homeowners, not banks, would be able to get by. But then, he was talking to a constituent.

    He also asked about what I did (I'm an academic psychologist), and he shared a nice story about visiting a local child advocacy center (that I know very well) and seemed to have at least a minimal sense of what they do there.

    I, too, have always thought he is gay (and I have heard as much from people who've lived in the state and have more political connection than I do). He did not, however, come across in any particular way during our conversation. I did find it amusing that he immediately assumed that everyone he spoke to would know who he was. But of course ... on this plane, they did.


    Sounds like you kept your cool (none / 0) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 10:21:49 AM EST
    in the presence of a political celebrity, especially one who is a senator from your state.   You were much more gracious than I was when my congressional representative was on a door-to-door neighborhood campaign swing.  It was, of course, a polite conversation but she seemed disappointed that my welcome was not more obsequious to her perceived status.  By the way, did Senator Graham say where he is displaying the rug he bought for five bucks during that leisurely stroll through a Baghdad market with McCain?

    lol (none / 0) (#105)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:00:53 PM EST
    No, our conversation did not run towards interior decor. I forgot that story, thanks for the reminder.

    Next flight I'll bring it up! ;-)


    Thanks, (none / 0) (#106)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 06:57:50 PM EST
    keep us posted.

    I highly recommend Terry Gross's (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:12:31 AM EST
    interview of the first black lawyer in Selma.  He died recently. J L Chestnut


    Heroes (none / 0) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:20:29 AM EST
    Don't know of the guy specifically, but all those folks are/were heroes to an almost unimaginable degree.

    I will never, ever forget as a kid watching what went down in Selma on the TV news, the dogs and the firehoses and the police beatings, my whole family sitting there with our mouths hanging open and tears in our eyes.  So, so terrible.


    He was employed by the NAACP (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:24:34 AM EST
    which was interested in "pure" cases for judicial review, as opposed to Martin Luther King's concept of large numbers of people to get the attention of the press and public.  He tells of relating to NAACP the events of the march in Selma; he could see John Lewis as Chestnut spoke on the phone; he heard what sounded like a tear gas canister hit the pavement and saw batons the size of baseball bats hitting people, including women and children, and he dropped the phone and ran to help.  

    Oh boy, this is an ad for the books (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:18:46 AM EST
    Gordon Smith -- Matthew

    Smith play up his role in passing the Matthew Shepard act.

    I never thought I'd see the day when a desperate Republican would run to the left and cling to Ted Kennedy.

    It has worked for Smith before. (none / 0) (#57)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:37:59 AM EST
    This isn't the first time Smith has used Matthew Shephard in his campaign. In 2002, not only did Matthew Shephard's mother cut campaign ads for Gordon, the Human Rights Campaign endorsed him. HRC paid absolutely no attention to the local gay rights group. People in the gay and lesbian community  here were furious with HRC.

    Gordon does just enough to fool people into thinking he is more moderate than he really is. The hate crimes stuff, speaking out against Iraq (although not until after the 2006 midterms). Mostly, he is just another rich Republican trying to hide his connections to all that Bush has wrought.

    Please let Jeff Merkley beat Smith this year.


    Interesting (none / 0) (#60)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:44:05 AM EST
    Honestly, Smith is probably less dangerous with a Democratic President and Senate, but it's still better to be rid of him. Current conditions can't last forever.

    On NPR recently, there was a (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:51:26 AM EST
    story about Moises Kaufmann, who wrote and directed Laramie Project, going back to Laramie with his actors to re-interview to get a sense of the community now.  

    Smith needs to go. (none / 0) (#66)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:53:13 AM EST
    Republicans, even when in the minority, are trouble. Smith is not some liberal Republican, ala Lincoln Chaffee. The nicest thing to say about Smith is that he isn't Tom Coburn.

    It's the Arlen Specter act (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:57:15 AM EST
    Specter at Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:15:18 AM EST
    Arlen Specter was such an a$$hole to Anita Hill. Every senator on the judiciary committee, including Biden and Kennedy, was a disappointment, but Specter was especially vile.

    Isn't there some Democrat  in Pennsylvania, other than Chris Matthews, who could defeat Specter?


    Nope (none / 0) (#77)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:19:32 AM EST
    He'll either have to retire or have the Club for Growth take care of him first, as they almost did last time.

    And Chris Matthews? Forget it.


    Why is the Democratic (none / 0) (#80)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:23:51 AM EST
    bench so weak in Pennsylvania?

    Sorry, see my reply way down (none / 0) (#86)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:30:39 AM EST
    Answer: it's complicated.

    Most democratic officeholders (none / 0) (#87)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:36:19 AM EST
    are not pro-choice, huh? Are most Democratic voters also not pro-choice?

    I don't mean to say most, I just mean many (none / 0) (#88)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:38:31 AM EST
    And yes, an overwhelming majority of Dems are Pro Choice in PA.

    But it wasn't always so. Not too long ago, Liberal Republicanism reigned, and Democrats were largely LMC ethnic Catholics.

    There's also a division between the Southeast and the rest of the state.


    Pennsylvania is interesting. (none / 0) (#90)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:44:30 AM EST
    My former partner grew up in Pittsburgh (Go, Panthers). From her stories I got the impression that the state is divided into Philly/suburbs and then the rest of the state. Reminded me a bit of my childhood state, Illinois. There it's Chicago/suburbs and then everything else. And everything else is simply referred to as downstate.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#93)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:48:28 AM EST
    Actually, it was a very hopeful sign that Kerry kept it blue in 2004.

    Bring back (none / 0) (#81)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:24:29 AM EST
    Harris Wofford!

    He's nearly 82, but still preferable to Specter (and Matthews!).


    Absolutely no Matthews. (none / 0) (#92)
    by lilburro on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:48:05 AM EST
    If PA has the dishonor of electing Matthews to ANYTHING, I might puke.  I don't see how he passes any sort of ready for office test, or garners popular support though.

    Recommend the Canton McKinley Bulldogs (none / 0) (#1)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:48:15 PM EST

    Canton McKinley's football program is of national renown. Canton McKinley is 7th in the nation in football wins all-time, with 739 as of March 2006. McKinley is also second in Ohio in win total, again behind Massillon.

    Prior to the start of the current playoff format in Ohio high school football, McKinley had won seven AP poll titles. Since the playoff format began, McKinley has won three State Titles, in 1981, 1997, and 1998. They have also been State Runner-Up three times, in 1977, 1985, and 2004.

    Where Champions are Made and Success is Tradition

    I was joking (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:52:24 PM EST
    I grew up in Pahokee, Florida and played high school football for Pahokee Blue Devils, one of the premier high school programs in Florida and thus the country

    In fact (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:54:29 PM EST
    they play the game of the week against high school power SC Byrnes tonight. The game will be televised on ESPNU.

    Their team captain (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:59:38 PM EST
    was shot and killed last weekend in a terrible event.

    His memory will permeate the game.


    Terrible story (none / 0) (#7)
    by Katherine Graham Cracker on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:18:35 PM EST
    Canton McKinley is my high school and of course
    one of the great national school.  And we are always happy to have new fans...I was checking just in case you were  a fair weather fan.

    Go Bulldogs.


    Austintown Fitch (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:41:49 PM EST
    whose arch rival was Cardinal Mooney....

    suburb of Youngstown....


    I know Mooney (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:09:26 PM EST
    Great tradition.

    like to see them take (none / 0) (#28)
    by english teacher on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 09:24:51 PM EST
    a bus ride to batesville.  south panola high school has won 75 straight games and five consecutive mississippi high school activities association class 5a state championships.  

    First high school football game in 25 years (none / 0) (#2)
    by jerry on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:50:29 PM EST
    My 4th grader's band class is playing at half-time.  They got their instruments about 2 months ago, and are playing tonight.  Music must be real easy.

    I saw an Italian film (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:00:24 AM EST
    tonight about a pick-up group of immigrants who gave a concert in Rome and have apparently stayed together and recorded several CDs.  The organizer/conductor opined the first performance was really a dress rehearsal.  An interesting mix of Arabic singers,and instrumentalists from India, Equador, and Argentina. L'Orchestra di Piazza Vittorio.  No Sousa marches.  

    Was this in a theater (none / 0) (#37)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:06:52 AM EST
    or on TV?  Sounds fascinating.

    It was shown as the opener (held in La (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:15:07 AM EST
    Jolla) of the second annual Italian Film Festival.  

    Well, I'll keep an eye open (none / 0) (#59)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:41:54 AM EST
    for it, though the odds of it's getting anywhere near north central Vermont are slim to none! Lol!

    OTOH, we did just get a renovated local semi-historical theater announce they're going to carry the Met's theater video broadcasts starting this coming year, which I'm thrilled about, particularly since Vermont Public Radio basically canceled all their classical music stuff, relegating it to a couple of lower-power stations that don't reach anywhere near where I am, so I've been Met-less for a while.



    Met has an on-line package available (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:47:22 AM EST
    to explore archival, historic performances.  Pay by the year or by the performance.  

    That's good to know (none / 0) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:53:59 AM EST
    but watching archival performances on the computer ain't the same thing as seeing what's going on now in the theater.

    I'm not a huge Met fan generally, but I do like to keep up, and sometimes there's a singer, like two years ago's Dmitri Hvorostovsky in an opera I love, like Onegin, that I deeply resent being cut off from in the broadcasts.  Now if only the Vienna Opera would do broadcasts I could get...


    Seems I've seen a film of that description (none / 0) (#100)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 08:57:45 AM EST
    available on dvd for rent at (Netflix)

    Which one? (none / 0) (#107)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 07:06:23 PM EST
    The Italian film or the Onegin Met film?  I bought the Onegin DVD and some aspects of it are fabulous, others not so much.  But it's not the same thing as getting to see it live, before anybody writes any reviews, in a theater with an audience.

    L'Orchestra di Piazza Vittorio film, I think (none / 0) (#108)
    by DFLer on Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 09:54:19 AM EST
    You wanna whine BTD. Walk in my shoes. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Teresa on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:08:54 PM EST
    At least we are starting a new quarterback tomorrow. Can you believe a five star quarterback could be so bad in four straight games?

    with any luck (none / 0) (#30)
    by white n az on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:10:31 PM EST
    they'll run Fulmer out of town because he's not a very good coach

    This may be the year. He has too much (none / 0) (#31)
    by Teresa on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:18:59 PM EST
    loyalty to his players. He won't play a freshman unless he absolutely has to. Seniority rules for him and it has bit him in the butt.

    Why is it that (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:37:06 PM EST
    both Obama and Biden let McSame and Sarah get away with squirming away from discussing the current crisis by throwing out moronic non-sequiters about "tax-and-spend Democrats" without forcefully reminding EVERYONE that the inevitable bailout for the disasters of the Rethug philosophy will be paid for by American taxpayers?

    This seems like a no-brainer.

    Second question: why is the bailout (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:01:34 AM EST
    now referred to as "the Pelosi bill" by AP?

    aarrgghh !!! (none / 0) (#101)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 08:58:54 AM EST
    Teresa (none / 0) (#11)
    by cal1942 on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:45:56 PM EST
    who are you talking about? What school and what class is the 5 star "can't miss?"

    My beloved Tennessee Volunteers. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Teresa on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:58:07 PM EST
    Jonathan Crompton was the number two rated quarterback in his class. He actually ranked ahead of the other guy in some camps. He practises great but he has been just terrible in games. Worse than anything I have ever seen.

    I feel bad for him because he grew up a Vol fan just over the border in North Carolina. Heath Shuler was a good friend of the family. Too bad he can't play like Heath (the college Heath, not the pro one).


    Must be very tough (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:17:43 AM EST
    for him. It's probably eating that kid alive.

    I'm a Michigan boy but whenever I get anywhere near Tennessee I make sure that I make at least one stop.  It's always a highlight. Great people.  


    Practices. I'm not Salo :) (none / 0) (#23)
    by Teresa on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:23:07 PM EST
    Hey.... (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 07:58:04 PM EST
    Don't remind me of that 0-10-1. That was my first year in Gainesville and I was pissed after the tie (against Georgia Tech in the opener?). Give em hell Pell

    Take Some Time and . . . (none / 0) (#24)
    by Doc Rock on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:43:03 PM EST
    . . . read Rolling Stone's "Make Believe Maverick".  Really revealing!

    yep (none / 0) (#29)
    by white n az on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 10:09:37 PM EST

    pretty much summarizes the salient characteristics of John McCain


    Not that Rolling Stone (none / 0) (#39)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:08:13 AM EST
    has a partisan liberal bias or anything.

    Just sayin'.


    UM vs FSU tomorrow (none / 0) (#25)
    by indy in sc on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 08:45:44 PM EST
    Can't wait!! It will take another season or two for my Hurricanes to get back to full strength, but this is always a good game!

    Paper Ballot + Electronic Counting = Failure (none / 0) (#27)
    by Lora on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 09:05:04 PM EST
    Sequoia Op-Scan Ballot Counters Fail to Count Same Way Twice

    From this Brad Blog post by Brad Friedman (emphasis mine):

    A recent contested election for Circuit Judge in Palm Beach County, FL, where the initial results showed a 17 vote margin for one of the candidates, continues to reveal differing counts every time the same ballots are run through the county's new optical-scan paper ballot counters made by Sequoia Voting Systems.

    The same type of proprietary voting systems are used to count ballots in every state in the nation. Results of ballots "counted" on them are typically accepted by officials, the media and the public as accurate, and are almost never double-checked, in any way, shape or form, to determine whether the computer-reported results actually are.

    How can this possibly be acceptable?

    Oh, God (none / 0) (#41)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:10:08 AM EST
    I'm thankful I live in a tiny community where ballots are counted by hand the old-fashioned way.

    What on earth do we do about this?  Optical scanning was supposed to be the solution, but if we can't depend on that, what the heck do we do?


    I'll be pulling the old lever (none / 0) (#72)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:13:02 AM EST
    prob for the last time. Our paper ballots aren't scanned to my knowledge. I used one in the primary because I had been dropped off the list. We have the option to request them, so they (to my knowledge) are all counted because they have to verify them. I would think any place that has a paper ballot as a backup, that they would be pretty valid. Anything electronic/scanned, well . . .

    How did they calculate our test scores back in the day? Remember those tests that you filled in those little ovals beside the answer you thought was correct with a number 2 pencil?

    I'm thinking just going back to paper and pencil with good old fashioned human counters is the answer. You can always recount from the original paper vote.


    OJ verdict in? I just read that and they said (none / 0) (#52)
    by Teresa on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:26:40 AM EST
    it would be announced around 10. Is Las Vegas pacific time?

    Guilty on all 12 counts (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:02:39 AM EST
    In sports, we'd refer to this as a "make-up call."

    He's going to serve time?! (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:14:34 AM EST
    tell me more, please!

    Jeralyn has a thread (none / 0) (#76)
    by dws3665 on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:18:32 AM EST
    on the main page all about it. Seems like 15 year minimum, but I'm not a lawyer, so I might not get the nuances right.

    Thanks! I should have thought to (none / 0) (#82)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:26:35 AM EST
    look  :) I've been watching Animal Planet and putzin' around, so this is news to me as AP doesn't give a crap about OJ, lol!~

    Apparently Palin reads the Economist (none / 0) (#56)
    by boot on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 12:32:08 AM EST
    and the New York Times on a daily basis!  And the reason she didn't want to tell Couric that was because she was annoyed with Couric.  This woman is unbelievable.


    Mamma mia. (none / 0) (#73)
    by lilburro on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:13:29 AM EST
    Note to self:  Do not go within 100 miles of her.  This woman stinks too much.

    Note to Mr Cameron (none / 0) (#79)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:23:22 AM EST
    Still, Mr. Cameron noted, "there is a sense that she went back to the books and got her answer."

    There's "film" on her talking about the Exxon case. And quite frankly, she reads what she reads. I bet if you go back and review past "film" of her, she's obviously been reading 'sumpthin' ;)

    She may have been annoyed with Katie, but if Katie had asked me what I read in the way of papers/mags, I would have blown it worse than Palin. Big time, lol!~

    Wonder what Obama's been reading lately . . . aside from prepared briefings of what's going on and how he should respond . . .


    There are plausible candidates, (none / 0) (#84)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:28:43 AM EST
    and the only statewide office we've never held is Attorney General. The problem is that Specter is indestructible. He's too popular with the moderate Republicans and Independents in SE PA.

    Another problem in PA is that much of the Dem money is pro-choice, but many of the Dem office holders are not. (Seriously, we're 1/3 NJ, 1/3 OH, and 1/3 WV).  


    Whoops, this was for CaseyOR (none / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:29:22 AM EST
    {Grin} It took me a minute . . . ;) (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:56:56 AM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#91)
    by lilburro on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:45:36 AM EST
    even if he doesn't read the papers, he can still get the story straight from the reporters, because he actually speaks to the press.

    She's talking to them also now (none / 0) (#96)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 01:58:23 AM EST
    but I didn't realize they were there to brief the candidates on the news . . .  

    It would be courteous (none / 0) (#97)
    by lilburro on Sat Oct 04, 2008 at 02:15:43 AM EST
    though, of Carl, to hand her a few papers...at least what Obama reads...one way to flatter the press is by reading them.