Tuesday Open Thread

Dean Barnett, a conservative blogger, has passed away. Barnett was an antagonist of the left blogs, especially Daily Kos, when I was posting there. On a personal level, it appears he was a very fine man. Our thoughts go out to his family.

This is an Open Thread.

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    Gov. Crist (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:54:01 PM EST
    Extending Florida early voting hours from 8 to 12 hours.

    Finally a republican who cares about vote supression.

    Don't you mean his own reelection? (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:55:58 PM EST
    Crist is one of the few Republicans around who understands that living in a swing state means that he doesn't live in fear only of the Club for Growth.

    Crist... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:59:32 PM EST
    is far closer to the middle than today's average Republican. To extend the voting hours to help with the long early voting lines he had to override a Republican backed Florida legislative law by way of executive order.

    Hours increase 33% Wed/Thur/Fri going from 8 to 12 hours a day, and triple on Saturday and Sunday going from 4 hours a day to 12 hours.

    A cynic could see it as Crist conceding the state to Obama and looking out for his own backside. Regardless of his motive, it's good for the voting public and the Governor deserves credit for doing he right thing.


    Slight error (none / 0) (#83)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:53:01 PM EST
    The weekend hours won't be 12 hours each day. They are now saying no more than 12 hours total over Saturday and Sunday. (up from the previous 8 hours combined)

    I have heard some rumors (none / 0) (#88)
    by Amiss on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 12:32:38 AM EST
    about a woman from Colorado trying to wreak havoc at some of the polling places. Any news yiur way about this? Since I live in North Florida, they dont seem to bother us up here.

    That is more like it (none / 0) (#31)
    by Amiss on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:54:56 PM EST
    because he like other politicians "was against it before he was before it" just 3 days ago, as a matter of fact.

    Charlie does what he does to advance his own agenda, period.

    The long lines for early voting, which started Monday, prompted the state's Democratic members of Congress to ask the Republican governor to issue an executive order extending the hours.

    "I understand that they're asking for that, but it's also my understanding that the law says it's eight hours. We've got to uphold the law," Crist said in a brief interview before he addressed a Republican Party rally in Fort Lauderdale.

    Secretary of State Kurt Browning, a Crist appointee and the state's top election official, said this week that the governor probably could extend hours through an executive order. Browning, who spent 26 years as Pasco County elections supervisor, has not endorsed extending hours.


    With Crist's order, early voting sites will be open the rest of this week from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. They will be open a total of 12 hours on Saturday and Sunday, the last day of early voting.

    "It's not a political decision," Crist said moments after signing the order, which declares a state of emergency in Florida. "It's a people decision."

    GOP legislature itself that in 2005 limited the early vote hours that have resulted in the long lines at early vote polling places this year.

    Saying early voting cost too much money with rules that weren't uniform, Republican legislators led a charge three years ago to set new statewide standards limiting the number of polling sites and their hours of operation. [...]

    The 82-36 House vote was largely along party lines, with Democrat [sic] motions to expand the hours all falling flat.

    House Bill 1567 took effect during the 2006 election cycle. Before its passage, early voting centers could remain open for up to 12 hours on weekdays, and for a total of eight hours over the weekend.

    I'll take it (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CST on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:57:25 PM EST
    It may be self-serving, but it's still the right thing to do.  I'll take what I can get.

    New Obama ad (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:22:42 PM EST
    I like this one. Notice that's he's walking in front of the White House (or a building that looks like it) at the end.

    I also like the ad and concept (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Exeter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:01:13 PM EST
    of the "taxcutfacts.org" ad where people go fill in a turbotax looking type thing to see how much money they will save compared to McCain. Probably one the best ad this cycle, imo.

    Well guys, I voted. (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:58:55 PM EST
    I made my family happy and now I hope Obama will make me glad that I did. His margin of loss in TN is at least one less.

    This is really strange...I had to go to the little town of Sweetwater yesterday. I had to go through this little neighborhood with roads cutting through every which way. According to the person directing me, this was a neighborhood where the "old money" people live, in homes that were nice but probably truly Southern beauties years ago.

    Anyway, I saw zero McCain signs and five Obama/Biden signs. Trust me, there are no black people in that area of this town. It made me think if someone had campaigned in TN for Obama, he might have had a small chance to pull a Bill Clinton here. Our Governor told his campaign if they weren't going to seriously contest the state, not to expect him to work too hard at it. Or something like that.

    I can honestly say... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:11:06 PM EST
    I drove through Sweetwater on my college visit to Sewanee. It was longer ago than I will confess to, but I specifically remember Sweetwater because there was a very cute girl working at the convenience store where I stopped for snacks.

    The things we remember with a little memory refresher.


    Saw several McCain signs today (none / 0) (#52)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:04:25 PM EST
    for the first time on my block in a usually pretty librul neighborhood.  There had been only one such sign on my block -- in front of a student duplex, as are most of the other signs.  I didn't expect those there!

    And there is much activity on my campus, suddenly, from College Republicans . . . doing voter registration and giving away free Krispie Kremes.  They got good turnout for that, from what I saw walking by.  Have Dems considered the Krispie Kreme strategy? :-)


    Young conservatives scarry me to death (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:48:46 PM EST
    On the flip side, being an old liberal just means your vibrant and young at heart :)

    They had a huge tent with free food at (none / 0) (#57)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
    UT's football game Saturday. I saw lots of McCain/Palin stickers on people. But as far as signs, I still haven't seen a single one for either one of them. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen.

    Cream City- I sent my absentee ballot (none / 0) (#70)
    by kenosharick on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:44:10 PM EST
    marked straight Dem back to Wis from here in Georgia, hope that helps a bit. Unfortunately, I vote in the 1st District and there seems to be no way to get rid of that smarmy Paul Ryan.

    Ryan has got a lot of money (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:29:30 PM EST
    behind him somehow -- I'm seeing ads for him in the Milwaukee market, the most expensive in the state.  I can't imagine that it reaches much of his district, does it?  I'm betting it's money from the WMC, the manufacturers council that has made an unholy mess of our state supreme court.  (If you missed it, see today's jsonline.com story on the coming storm over Justice Gableman. . . .  And all this is just a warmup to going after the great Shirley Abrahamson.  It is going to get ugly.)

    And yeh, Ryan is so smarmy -- he has that neocon look, like my county executive.  Why do so many of them look like Ralph Reed?  Is there a Neocon Beauty School that trains stylists to give all those guys the same hair and haircut?!  Ugh.

    In less than a week, at least he will be off my airwaves.  I so look forward to more ads for Cialis again, by comparison.


    His district is mostly (none / 0) (#92)
    by kenosharick on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 10:08:37 AM EST
    Racine and Kenosha (I think parts of a few others as well) which get Milwaukee and Chicago TV. I grew up (Racine) watching both.

    wages of mccain/palin rally attendees (5.00 / 0) (#73)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:02:50 PM EST
    since mccain.palin keep saying at their rallies that obama is going to redistribute their money i can only assume they are speaking to ceo's and the really rich.   5 percent of the population will have their taxes go up it is amazing that they can get them all to show up so consistently at their rallies and get them to hoot and holler so.

    I would love to see john stewart poll the attendees to see how many are earning over 250k

    Sigh. When willl this meme die (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Manuel on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 11:28:14 PM EST
    Timothy Noah, "Chatterbox" Columnist: Obama

    It's a point of pride that I managed to get through this election without professing shock at John McCain's supposed defection to the Dark Side. I do not think that McCain, a man of good character who once seemed a plausible candidate for the Democratic ticket, has sold his soul to the devil. Smart liberals like Robert Wright and Josh Marshall say the McCain-Palin ticket has waged the most despicable presidential campaign in modern memory. I doubt they'll continue to believe that much past Nov. 4. McCain-Palin doesn't rank even as the most despicable presidential campaign in 2008. (That would be Hillary Clinton's primary campaign, which is far more susceptible to the accusation that it exploited Obama's race.)

    We desperately need a better press corps.

    Jay Cost on the polls (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:45:38 PM EST


    Today, the Gallup traditional model pegs McCain's number significantly higher than the RCP average. It has done this several times over the last three weeks - and every day since it began it has shown McCain doing better than the RCP average. It is unlikely that random variation would produce these effects. Today's Rasmussen poll shows McCain significantly higher than the RCP average, and it has consistently been higher than the RCP average for the last three weeks. IBD/TIPP frequently pegs Obama's number significantly lower than the RCP average, and it has shown him lower than the RCP average every day since it began. The GWU/Battleground poll has shown McCain consistently higher than the RCP average for 10 of the last 10 release dates, frequently at significant levels.

    None of this is consistent with what we would expect from random statistical variation. These considerations reinforce the point I made on Friday. In all likelihood, something else is going on here. The pollsters have different "visions" of what the electorate is, and these visions are inducing such divergent results.

    This is why I would urge caution when interpreting all this polling data. We're talking about disagreements among good pollsters. I take all of these firms seriously whenever they produce new numbers. They are disagreeing with one another in ways that can't be chalked up to statistical "noise." That gives me great pause.

    He's my favorite Republican blogger. So, FWIW.

    Pretty responsible analysis (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:52:11 PM EST
    even though the lack of a conclusion is a bit weasely. I'll pay more attention to Mr. Cost in the next week and immediately after the election.

    It occurs to me (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:54:22 PM EST
    that the only way these "close" polls could be proven right is if Obama doesn't get his vote out. The more people think the election is in the bag, the more likely to electorate is to look like the Gallup Traditional model.

    Or they could just be right ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:15:54 PM EST
    there's always that possibility.

    But your point is a good one nonetheless.

    Despite the hoopla from the media and enthusiasm among core supporters, there's probably a large group of the electorate that isn't that excited.

    Take away the rock star spin, and Pepsi Generation messaging, and Obama's a pretty boring guy.  


    I love the audio camp McCain (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:20:54 PM EST
    is passing around that supposedly casts Obama as the scary redistributionist. He sounds about as scary as. . .the typical public radio analyst!

    As to the models: I think Gallup Expanded has a basis in good data. So it does seem to me like one possible outcome. So does Gallup traditional. . .


    Yeah, that audio is ridiculous ... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:25:03 PM EST
    but they're trying to fire up their base.  And their base thinks everyone is a socialist.  Hell, some of them thought it of Papa Bush!



    Read my lips. . . (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:26:53 PM EST
    Not just that ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:30:45 PM EST
    there's a part of the hard right that didn't dig his "new world order" language.

    A loony group.  But they're more of them than you'd think.  And they vote!

    McCain needs them if he wants to keep this close.


    Have to wonder if the election was today (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:47:16 PM EST
    if the weather would have played a part. Snow and power outages in OCTOBER?! If they aren't excited, would they still go vote? I'm kinda digging my nice warm couch as is my dog, and we aren't getting the snow  :)

    Yes, Gallup report says higher turnout (none / 0) (#47)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:56:42 PM EST
    is not going to be much higher, if at all, from 2004.  It's on the Gallup site.  Interesting -- but perhaps based on a flawed poll itself? :-)

    For one thing, as I've noted before here, pollster.com suggested some time ago that AA turnout already may have almost maxed out for the primaries, so models that build in the usual increase for AAs from primaries to general election may be overestimating it.  (I'm not sure I agree, based on all the new voter registrations, but it's an interesting point -- if a lot of those are re-registrations or, with so many voter reg's done at malls and more, if those  don't result in people actually getting to the polls.)


    Does anyone watch (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:46:43 PM EST
    Mad Men, aka The Bestest Show On Teevee? I can't wait until Season 3 next year! It will likely be nominated for another round of top awards.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by cal1942 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:54:04 PM EST
    Interesting series.

    I love that show... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Exeter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:58:59 PM EST
    wasn't that awesome when Draper blew up Duck's perfect plan?!?

    Something I've been thinking about (none / 0) (#7)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 03:59:01 PM EST
    I keep wondering if, in an alternate universe, where Obama was behind, or where the race was very close, the Obama campaign would be able to make a 3 am ad with Sarah Palin as the target.  It would definitely be gender-baiting.  But I wonder to myself what it would look like, and if it would work for Democrats or completely backfire, repelling women.

    I am not worried about McCain making a 3 am ad about Obama, although I suppose he could as he closing argument.

    Howard Finneman gives a good ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:23:02 PM EST
    preview of how the MSM will try to keep Obama from governing like a progressive:

    [Obama's] tax plan, for example, accepts, at least in theory, the basic precept of the Reagan Revolution, which is that cutting taxes is good for economic growth. Those who did research for him, many from the New America Foundation, searched for third-way market solutions to social problems.

    We'll hear a lot more of this after he wins.  Hopefully, Obama won't follow the MSM's carrot.

    Broder and company (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by cal1942 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:00:25 PM EST
    have been at work for some time.

    The media branch of the Village may very well believe that they will have huge influence over Obama.

    For the sake of the nation I hope they're wrong.


    The MSM has been working (none / 0) (#68)
    by kenosharick on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:30:06 PM EST
    overtime to get Obama elected- then they will try to stop his agenda? Makes little sense, especially since most of his agenda is what I would call moderate, rather than progressive.

    John McWhorter (Geraldine Ferraro) (none / 0) (#14)
    by jerry on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:27:48 PM EST
    First, I thought that Glenn Greenwald's statement regarding Dean Barnett was very interesting.  RIP Dean.  41 is much too young and my thoughts go to your family.

    Second, today on Talk of the Nation, John McWhorter, an African American linguist at Berkeley now of the Manhattan Institute was discussing why he, a "conservative" was supporting Obama.  It's an interesting discussion and can be found here.

    During the discussion he mentioned a column he wrote in 2006, in which he discussed why Obama, now.  If I understand correctly, he believes we're at a time in our culture when being black can be a real advantage.  A non-black senator with Obama's experience would not be a candidate for President.  (Thus my comparison to Geraldine Ferraro.)

    Perhaps more controversially is his affirmative statement as to why he would specifically like to see an African American in office now, and that's because he feels (and I'm probably going to paraphrase this badly) while racism isn't dead, Obama in office would go along way to showing to many people the progress we've made.)

    Anyway, McWhorter is a very interesting guy.

    LA Times/Bloomberg (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:30:20 PM EST
    has Obama well ahead in FL and OH.

    We could know the results of the election in about a week and three hours, folks. . .

    Do You or BTD think anything (none / 0) (#17)
    by zvs888 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:31:40 PM EST
    of this videotape controversy breaking out?

    That Columbia professor's statements made on videotape held at LA Times.

    I don't think that'd move many people, but it'd end up taking up a few news cycles...


    Might sink Florida ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:36:16 PM EST
    and allow the whole "friends" argument to get a bit of new life.

    Also, the fact that the LA Times is refusing to release might become more of a story than the contents of the tape.


    I think it's going nowhere (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:37:22 PM EST
    But the press ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:40:47 PM EST
    no matter in the tank they are for Obama can't resist a last minute "scandal."

    I don't think it will change the overall results dramatically.  I think Obama is going to lose FL regardless.  

    But I do think its the type of late election story the media likes to chew on.  Not a full meal.  But a bit of snacking over the next few days.


    It does seem to be a good story about the press (none / 0) (#27)
    by jerry on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:48:45 PM EST
    I think it's going nowhere too.  From what I can tell so far, I do think it's an interesting story in how the press operates (and perhaps in how they operate to choose our leaders for us.)

    Uh ... 8:30 ET? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:32:31 PM EST
    That would be a very good night for Obama.

    I'm not predicting that.  But ... who knows?


    Well (none / 0) (#19)
    by zvs888 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:35:32 PM EST
    Indiana and Virginia report by then.  A clear win of Virginia and an Indiana too close to call, is a clear Obama win.  A Virginia win and an Indiana loss probably still is.  We're in trouble if Virginia is too close to call.  If it's a loss, it's going to be a very very long night.

    If there's a VA loss, we're staying up (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:36:59 PM EST
    until every last vote in Colorado is counted--unless Florida and/or Ohio is a clear win.

    Yup, a VA win for McCain would ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:54:05 PM EST
    mean GOP GOTV is firing on all cylinders, and we're going to be back to counting on the West.

    The Dewey Scenario.


    Indiana will not report on time (none / 0) (#33)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:57:15 PM EST
    See the primaries, 2008.  The Gary mayor will wait again until he sees what's needed and try again to do whatever he can do.  Count on it -- relatives there are counting on it and not even starting election parties until almost 10 p.m. :-)

    I hope he doesn't do that again in Gary (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by joanneleon on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:56:39 PM EST
    It will, again, seem suspicious.

    He was so shameless (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:32:44 PM EST
    even on network tv that I can't imagine any scruples stopping the guy.  I thought, if they'd had tv in the era of Tammany Hall, this is what it would have looked like -- absolutely shameless blathering that even that Gary mayor had to know was utter nonsense.  I hope there's a transcript somewhere, and that it gets in the history books!

    And, don't forget the Indiana Secretary of State (none / 0) (#43)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:25:07 PM EST
    was one of the Brooks Brothers Riot-ers in Florida, 2000.

    Oh, and he recently (2007) gave a speech where he said:  

    During a speech Thursday at a Republican event, Todd Rokita said 90 percent of blacks vote for Democrats.
    "How can that be?" Rokita said. "Ninety to ten. Who's the master and who's the slave in that relationship? How can that be healthy?"

    Pure Republican, through and through.


    Oh no. One of those idjits? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:58:05 PM EST
    Note to self: Do not move to Indiana.

    I hope you're right andgarden (none / 0) (#45)
    by cal1942 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:44:23 PM EST
    If Ohio, Virginia, Florida and North Carolina are close, as the polls indicate, we could be on edge for many hours after polls close in the EST zone.

    Then there's New Mexico and Colorado.  If we lose all four close states east of the Mississippi we would then need both New Mexico and Colorado to win.  That could go into the wee hours.

    Like everyone else I want it done before 9 PM, but, I don't trust Florida, I just don't believe North Carolina and Virginia is still a stretch of the mind for me. Ohio seems the real hope here and only because their economic situation is similar to my state.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP came up with a giant lie late this week that can't be refuted in time.


    I would think (none / 0) (#46)
    by zvs888 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:50:18 PM EST
    That Virginia is the main hope east of the Mississippi, and Colorado is the hope to the west.

    Ohio and Florida are the most "screwy" since the Republican ground game is the most superior there due to the last 8 years.

    In Ohio/Florida, ground games are generally a wash and they both seem to have slight Republican leans.

    Virginia and Colorado on the other hand are demographically even at least based on voter registration and the like.  Those are the best chances for the Democrats to take this outright if the polls tighten nationally.  

    If the polls tighten to within 3-4 nationally, then Florida and Ohio are likely gone, whereas Colorado and Virginia will retain an Obama lean.


    todays Gallup (none / 0) (#69)
    by kenosharick on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:38:33 PM EST
    daily tracking of "likely" voters is down to 2 points. FOX "news" is crowing about it. Everyone else still has Obama up substantially.

    If we (none / 0) (#86)
    by Amiss on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 11:51:08 PM EST
    didnt have so many "snow birds" down here in the Sunshine State we could be less "screwey", below the I-4 Corridor it is entirely screwey.

    I'm really hoping for (none / 0) (#64)
    by joanneleon on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:58:49 PM EST
    Virginia and North Carolina.  For whatever reason, those two would be especially sweet victories.  I'm very fond of NC and I think they can pull it off.  I don't know as much about Virginia, but it surely seems that NoVA is really strong.

    National News does not start reporting (none / 0) (#77)
    by YesVirginiaThereIsASanta on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:58:02 PM EST
    numbers until the polls close at 8:00 PM on the West Coast....right?  After Reagan's first election when he was declared the winner before the west, AK and HI had finished voting and the local races suffered because people didn't go to the polls thinking their votes weren't counting, my understanding was that no results could be announced until the west closed.

    Being in the west, I have no idea what happens in the east on TV, though.


    Media didn't abide by that in primaries (none / 0) (#79)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:34:05 PM EST
    which appalled me -- reporting results of an East Coast primary before a Midwest and/or West Coast one had closed.  I'm sure there's some way they parse that, saying it's only primaries, but the effect can be the same.  And they certainly hinted strongly enough for hours at what early exit polling told them, thus also ignoring that early exit polling does not even tell the story in one state, as the working-class often has to vote late.

    Yes, I also remember well the way that they messed up democracy in 1980.  Media have learned nothing.  They have actually unlearned anything they were taught about the responsibility that comes with freedoms.  I fully expect to see the national networks and many others in the media disgrace themselves again, to the detriment of democracy.  But hey, it's about ratings.


    CA used to be a double whammy state (none / 0) (#84)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 11:03:39 PM EST
    late primary and poll closings. Really sucked! Local races were about the only point in showing up. Hopefully they'll keep the earlier primary date. Of course if they don't, I can remain an Indie voter, lol!~

    Hmm (none / 0) (#24)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:41:41 PM EST
    Look who crawled out from under the bus!

    Seriously, where has this guy been?

    Wesley Clark in NC.

    He's been campaigning down ticket I believe (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by nycstray on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:49:32 PM EST
    I've gotten a couple notices through WesPac. He has a few DT Dems he was going out for. He was out in 2006 also.

    He worked his tail off in 2006 (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by joanneleon on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:59:42 PM EST
    for down ticket races.

    was anyone talking about Palin's clothes (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:45:02 PM EST
    before the 150k story broke?  I am still struggling with how it is a sexist story when I cannot recall a large debate on what she was wearing on the campaign trail prior to the story coming out that the GOP spent 150k.

    Seems to me that there was little talk if any about her wardrobe prior to the story.  

    Yes. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:57:48 PM EST
    clothes, hair, mothering skills (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Exeter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:06:27 PM EST
    there has been alot of embarassing drivel spewing from the left.    

    b/c no one has ever talked about the (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by of1000Kings on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:48:28 PM EST
    hair of a male candidate...

    or how much the haircut cost...

    sexist pigs...


    Nobody talked about... (none / 0) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:26:38 AM EST
    ...the shirt collars they wear or their build either.

    Ain't that right, CC?


    I do not recognize a lot of the left (none / 0) (#80)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:38:22 PM EST
    anymore.  Or, more likely, I was fooled by words yet again, but words belied by their actions.

    There's an interesting piece online by a Dem speechwriter for Edwards, Clinton, and Obama, who wonders what the heck is going on when the Dems attack a working-class plumber.  Remember when we went after the rich guys?  

    I saw the latest rankings today of the richest guys in Congress.  The top three are all Dems.  Kerry, Kohl (slipped to second place; that department-store fortune isn't doing well in this economy), Kennedy.  Anybody else think it's weird when the richest guys in Congress are Dems?


    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CST on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:22:53 PM EST

    lol, that brought back memories. I was (none / 0) (#54)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:06:32 PM EST
    always a late Saturday sleeper and I would wake up every weekend to a note "May I do (whatever) or have (whatever), with "yes  no  maybe" scrawled out. Then a "please circle one". I'm sitting here giggling over that. Creative little girl.

    No. (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:04:55 PM EST
    I think it's sexist (none / 0) (#39)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    because of all the dumb crap campaigns end up purchasing, Palin's clothes have thus far attracted the most attention.  She has a point when she speaks about the lights and stage being purchased by the RNC too.  

    Of course the RNC brought it on themselves a bit by pushing the, "but actually I'm just like you (betcha)!" angle so hard.  Neiman Marcus - not so folksy.


    Free Crunchy Taco at Taco Bell this evening (none / 0) (#32)
    by jerry on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 04:56:54 PM EST
    From 2 - 6.

    Crunchy Taco!

    MLB: Think Outside the Bun

    It's free, so there is no change (to believe in.)

    Ouch ... (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:15:15 PM EST
    how long have you been waiting to make that joke?

    NO BASEBALL TONIGHT. (none / 0) (#44)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:28:39 PM EST
    Major League Baseball has announced that on their site.  They are hopeful weather in Philly will get better, such that they have tentatively scheduled to finish game 5 Wednesday night, starting at 8:37 PM ET.  "Weather permitting."

    I hope you enjoyed your taco.


    Disgusting what I'll do for 99 cents. (none / 0) (#55)
    by jerry on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:08:44 PM EST
    There's been some responses to that (none / 0) (#62)
    by addy on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:52:02 PM EST

    Can't say I blame them for being angry.


    This (none / 0) (#41)
    by zvs888 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 05:15:41 PM EST
    Is why McCain needs to get out of Pennsylvania.
    Pennsylvania Rasmussen Obama 53, McCain 46    Obama +7

    This is the first poll which shows all of the undecideds making their choice (other than 1%).

    This is doom for McCain in Pennsylvania.  There's no way to swing 8% of Obama's locked in voters...

    30% of Pennsylvanians are nuts (none / 0) (#56)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:14:06 PM EST
    is about all I can figure out from this in the Rasmussen PA poll:

    Thirty percent (30%) say President Bush is doing a good or excellent job.

    That's higher than his national rating -- and isn't PA one of the states, at least in western PA, getting hit harder by the economy?  

    Not Sure (none / 0) (#91)
    by CST on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:54:55 AM EST
    They are "getting harder hit".  When you are that far down already, it's hard to go anywhere but up.

    Pittsburgh was practically untouched by the housing bubble, and prices have actually gone up recently.

    Honestly, I think Western Pa may be one of the few areas of the country things are actually improving slightly - they were just not very good to begin with.


    Marx and Politics (none / 0) (#59)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 06:58:58 PM EST
    The thing that makes me so disappointed in the last round of McCain attacks is that he is throwing out this Marx/ socialist statement, which politically I don't care about, but the fact the journalists are repeating it, without asking and telling people what marx said.  Regardless if you believe him or not, to not have read Marx is to "not be well read".

    I'm covering the New Deal in class (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:34:09 PM EST
    this week and had fun today reading some of the critiques of FDR as . . . you bet, a Socialist.  Of course, in the city that sent the first Socialist to Congress and had Socialist mayors for half a century, that still can be a compliment. :-)

    Enough with nonpartisanship in my lectures -- I've decided the need is to push the Gray Panther Party.  Your generation needs to hear WONDERFUL things about Social(ist) Security!


    Where do I sign up? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 07:37:25 PM EST
    Oh, and the Sheppard-Towner Act (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:29:11 PM EST
    of 1921 also got a big push from me last week in class -- the first federally funded health care program, although the AMA didn't let it last long.

    But I wanted to be sure that students knew that this country did it before, so it can be done again.

    Just wait 'til I get to Medicare.  Go, Gray Panthers!


    Cream City- I don't know if (5.00 / 0) (#72)
    by kenosharick on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:53:24 PM EST
    you are teaching college or H.S., but my favorite book on the New Deal is "The End of Reform: New Deal Liberalism in Recession and War" by Alan Brinkley, a top-notch historian at Columbia. He also has a great book (I sound like his agent)called "Voices of Protest: Huey Long, Father Coughlin, and the Great Depression" which I liked even better.

    Yes, his book on Long and Coughlin (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 09:39:14 PM EST
    was wonderful -- I remember reading it a decade or so ago and thinking that, thank heavens, we would not fall for demagoguery again.  Instead, as I just was thinking today, we may be more prone to it through unscrupulous bloggery and absolutely awful all-"news" channels today, as we have seen. . . .

    I liked Brinkley's other book, too, but it has been even longer since I read that.  And just today, I was talking with others about creating and team-teaching a timely course next year on the Depression, if any students can get loans and show up (yes, I teach college, and at a working-class campus) -- and if, with 30% state budget cutbacks coming, we can count on any electricity and heat in the classrooms!

    So thanks to your reminders, I'm starting a draft of the book list now. :-)


    I totally agree. (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 08:45:49 PM EST
    I was flipping around the radio here in NC and I heard on one of the Christian channels referencing the notorious Marx.  I'm too young to have experienced any real suspicion of communism or whatnot but these attacks just creep me out.  Marx has a lot of wonderful things to say and his books are...if not a pleasure, certainly thought-provoking.  God forbid we think though.

    I think the Republican Party is simply in complete crisis mode.  They have nothing to fall back on except the belief that capitalism is the best system ever.  Maybe they're actually taking comfort in it.  Who knows.


    Love to hear how (none / 0) (#82)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:52:33 PM EST
    Christian talk radio handles the Bible story of Jesus vs. the money-changers in the temple. . . .

    (I do not think Jesus would have backed the bailout for big banks, either.:-)


    Barbara West (none / 0) (#87)
    by Amiss on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 12:11:25 AM EST
    a Florida newswoman that interviewed Joe Biden repeated the Marxist statement.
    About the middle of this insane interview that can be found HERE.

    Alaska Senate (none / 0) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 10:00:39 PM EST
    Waiting patiently in anticipation of several polling outfits having an Alaska Senate poll out tomorrow. How could they pass up jumping on that bandwagon.

    Can't wait to see if Begich gets the normal post felony conviction bounce or if Alaskans rally around one of their own.

    Real Ohio Plumbers (none / 0) (#89)
    by Amiss on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 12:36:59 AM EST
    started their own blog for Obama!