McCain Effectively Concedes Michigan

Give Michigan's 17 electoral votes to Barack Obama. At least that's the way John McCain sees it.

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play. McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida.

McCain might as well write off Wisconsin while he's at it. Even rural Wisconsin communities that were littered with Bush signs four years ago now feature hard-to-get Obama signs. Florida and Ohio are better places for McCain to spend his dwindling time and dollars.

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    Hooray (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:35:56 PM EST
    Count me as one happy Michigander today.

    I wonder what a romney VP (none / 0) (#2)
    by Salo on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:37:14 PM EST
    would have been able to do there.

    i'm guessing nothing at all. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Salo on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:48:23 PM EST
    Hm (none / 0) (#14)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:48:53 PM EST
    Romney definitely would have been worth something, but I mean, it's not like having Cal Ripken on the ticket in Maryland or anything.  My guess is that Romney would have enabled McCain to stick around in Michigan until Election Day, but if there really is this much of a spread, it wouldn't have changed the final outcome.

    I don't think there would have been (none / 0) (#18)
    by indy in sc on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:53:21 PM EST
    this much of a spread if Romney were on the ticket.  I think Romney would have neutralized the net benefit to Obama of the current economic situation.  OTOH, the repub base would still be yawning if McCain had picked Romney, so who knows whether he really would have been an asset.

    Mittens would have been hammered (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:06:35 PM EST
    over how he made his money - buying up companies, laying off the American workers after having them pack up the factory, and shipping the jobs and factories overseas, so they could make more PCMC* for us to buy on minimum wage.

    Native son or not, he would have been gutted over that, particularly with car sales cratering.  And he wasn't even much of a native son anymore - he went to Massachusetts to be governor.

    *Plastic Crap Made in China


    We'll count you as three. . . (none / 0) (#4)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:39:02 PM EST
    Vote early and often!

    I told you PA was more of a concern (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:39:05 PM EST
    And still not so much these days. . .

    Me too! (none / 0) (#61)
    by shoulin4 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:05:13 PM EST
    (I'm new, though, so just call me a happy Georgian-Michigander)

    WHY McCAIN LEFT (none / 0) (#81)
    by chopper on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:51:06 PM EST
    From Free Press:

    Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group.

    The majority of the problem applications are coming from the group ACORN, Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which has a large voter registration program among its many social service programs.

    ACORN's Michigan branch, based in Detroit, has enrolled 200,000 voters statewide in recent months, mostly with the use of paid, part-time employees.

    "There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications," said Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office. "And it appears to be widespread."

    Chesney said her office has had discussions with ACORN officials after local clerks reported the questionable applications to the state. Chesney said some of the applications are duplicates and some appear to be names that have been made up.

    In recent years, ACORN's voter registration programs have come under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Missouri and Washington, with some employees convicted of voter fraud.

    ACORN officials said they were looking into the problem.
    "We'll do an investigation to see what's happening," said David Lagstein, a spokesman for the Detroit office. "If it's really as many as that, it warrants further investigation."

    In Pontiac, where several thousand applications have been submitted by ACORN in the last few weeks for the November election, the clerk's office is finding that numerous applications are sometimes filed under one name.

    "What it causes is a slowdown of our operations," said Pontiac City Clerk Yvette Talley. "They're steadily coming in, and we are finding a huge number of duplications."

    In Oak Park, clerk Sandra Gadd said they have been seeing "lots of duplication" from ACORN in recent months but were reassured by ACORN officials that the group was working to correct the problem.

    Lagstein said ACORN's Detroit office has hired dozens of employees for the voter registration program and that any problems likely stem from sloppiness or incompetence -- not an intent to let people vote more than once.

    "We're proud of our efforts to increase voter registration, and we have aggressive training for our staff to make sure the cards are filled out appropriately," he said.

    "We certainly do our best to keep the duplications as low as possible, so we'll have to evaluate what's happening here," he said.



    so it's up to the organization (none / 0) (#82)
    by of1000Kings on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 08:05:57 PM EST
    to know whether someone has already registered...

    do they have access to that information?


    Also problematic and being prosecuted (none / 0) (#84)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 08:14:36 PM EST
    in Wisconsin, where we've got enough problems with our GOP AG, with funding for our impoverished city's election commission, etc.  We don't need this ACORN crap.  It will cost us in the long run here in larger ways, fueling the major state newspaper's and GOP drive for voter ID.

    Ha (none / 0) (#87)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 12:42:34 AM EST
    Yes, I'm sure that is "why McCain left."  Your posts are comical.

    This will help McCain in MI. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:08:05 PM EST
    If I read the current trends right, he's dropping fastest in the states in which he's doing the most advertising.  It's clear that the more people see of him the less they like him.

    He didn't give it enough time with his non-suspension suspension, but his best bet is probably to disappear completely and hope people forget all about him by Novemeber 4th.  His numbers are likely to at least stabilize.

    heh (none / 0) (#58)
    by coigue on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:15:17 PM EST
    As a Michigander (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by IndiDemGirl on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:11:57 PM EST
    transplanted to Indiana, I am thrilled. Michigan not in play, but Indiana is?!?  

    No more treks to Michigan to volunteer like I did with Gore and Kerry.  Wow.  This has made my day.

    How McCain can still win Wisconsin (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ben Masel on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:41:08 PM EST
    Rent a booth at the Great Midwest Marijuana Harvest Festival this weekend.

    Buy a ton of ads on the local Air America outlet.

    Buy 2 full page ads a week in The Isthmus and the Madison edition of The Onion.

    Chuckle. Okay, Ben -- and Plan B?:-) (none / 0) (#72)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:14:23 PM EST
    Why pull ads (none / 0) (#6)
    by eric on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:39:28 PM EST
    in Missouri?  He's ahead there by just a little, if I recall.

    I heard (none / 0) (#43)
    by connecticut yankee on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:28:41 PM EST
    CNN had Obama ahead by 1 in Missouri.  Chuck Todd noted that it was a problem for McCain and Scarborough said having to defend there meant McCain was in real trouble.

    McCain didn't have a strong lead in Missouri (none / 0) (#45)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:38:35 PM EST
    and Obama up by one has been pretty much the same since the end of the primaries.

    Obama barely won against Hillary in Missouri, about 1% too.


    Obama had a really good (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:47:08 PM EST
    ground game in Missouri--a lot of people from Illinois came over....And SurveyUSA had shown a 10 point Hillary lead--it was a big surprise on Super Tuesday.

    Being next door to Illinois is a point in Obama's favor....Nate Silver gives extra weight for that....

    St. Louis and Kansas City will be big turnout opportunities for Obama....Definitely do-able for Obama.


    hm (none / 0) (#51)
    by connecticut yankee on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:51:34 PM EST
    Well, in 2004 Bush took it by 7.   So its a problem Bush didnt have to deal with.

    $30M/day? (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:39:55 PM EST
    No way. Per week? Maybe.

    I think he'll probably have to concede PA too soon.

    Really re rural Wisconsin? Which part (none / 0) (#9)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:42:58 PM EST
    were you driving through?  We went well across the state about 10 days ago, taking the off-freeway route I favor through small towns and lovely rural areas in fall, and I remember commenting that we saw hardly any Obama signs.  We did see some McCain signs there -- and definitely in Waukesha County, of course.  And that county can be crucial, as we know and saw, although I don't think it will be enough so in the general election.

    Obama is confident of the city of Milwaukee, though, with efforts only beginning here.  Just today, I saw my first few Obama yard signs.  Same goes in some of the inner-ring burbs, according to friends -- some of those burbs that began to go blue again but still could be on the cusp.

    Of course, as you have posted, the AG and DA (and probably the Bushie USAA) could decide it in parts of Milwaukee County more than the voters do.  I don't think I've seen decisions yet -- have you? -- on the requests for injunctions and other relief from the AG's suit to make a mess at the polls in only a month now. . . .

    Richland Center, Beaver Dam (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by TChris on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:54:03 PM EST
    and Wisconsin Rapids all surprised me with Obama signs last week (there would be more in Madison if the campaign office didn't keep running out). I've seen few McCain signs anywhere, although I do my best to stay out of Waukesha and Walworth counties.  As to Van Hollen's lawsuit, Judge Sumi refused to act as quickly as Van Hollen wanted.  (My sense is that she was unimpressed by Van Holland's insistence that she proceed with haste given his delay in starting the lawsuit.)  By the time the issues are decided, it will likely be too late for any order she enters to affect the election.  That, at least, is my hope.

    Good news if you read the court correctly (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:07:20 PM EST
    and we went through different towns -- as it sounds like you really meant more the small towns than the rural areas?  We didn't see Obama signs in towns all along the border with Illinois, which surprised me, until we got to Janesville/Beloit (for those who don't know the state, Beloit is about the only non-metropolitan town in the state with AAs).

    Friends are heading across in a few days to do the beautiful Great River Road trek up the mighty M in fall, looking for eagles.  I'll ask them to occasionally cast their eyes down toward the ground to see if they see more signs, now that the campaigns appear to be ramping up here.  I'm still surprised by how little activity, how few signs and buttons and such, are to be seen around the Milwaukee campus that is the second-largest in the state, after all.  And a lot of the staff vote in the burbs, a lot of the students will vote there and elsewhere at home, too -- so to treat the campus as only city residents where Obama has a lock doesn't seem wise to me.


    Best to vote at parents' (inState) address (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ben Masel on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:44:29 PM EST
    Take back the Assembly

    Definitely. That's where I'm focusing effort (none / 0) (#73)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:18:09 PM EST
    for the replacement for Sheldon Wasserman, as we also are working hard to have him replace Alberta Darling in the state Senate.  So those students in that district including and north and east of UWM could help by voting in the district.

    But most live south of campus, a different and very safe district (Jon Richards), so I'm encouraging them to go home, ask for absentee ballots, etc.


    Btw, still 11% undecided in Wisconsin (none / 0) (#65)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:34:39 PM EST
    per the Strategic Vision poll that pushed the state from tossup to leaning blue on the RCP map and others.  I looked up past SV polls for months now, and that undecided category is unchanged.  And from what I can find on past polls, that's above the average for undecideds at this point in a campaign.

    Might be a fluke of SV polling or might be something to watch in Wisconsin -- with undecideds still more than even the 9-point margin between McCain and Obama now.  (Btw, not that much change from SV's polling almost two months ago, when it was a 7-point margin . . . with 11% undecided.)


    Western (none / 0) (#10)
    by eric on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:44:22 PM EST
    WI looks to be McCain territory, to me.  I get over there once in a while.

    Even Strategic Vision, the Republican pollster, (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:45:09 PM EST
    says that Obama is ahead by 9.

    Being ahead by 9 pts in October (none / 0) (#17)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:52:52 PM EST
    Is not the same as November.  There is tonight's debate (I'm not as dismissive of Palin as others on this board) and two more debates for McCain and Palin.

    I remember the debates between Bush and Kerry.  Bush did real lousy in the first debate, but by the second debate, really got his act together.  McCain has been working on this so i expect he will have a significant improvement by the next debate.

    Obama, on the other hand, takes the high road and you won't see anything different about him.  He has pretty much showed his hand.  


    It's a good thing Obama isn't. . . (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:17:23 PM EST
    ahead by 25 points -- then he'd really be in trouble.  Right, stef?

    Yes, it is a good thing (none / 0) (#46)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:42:15 PM EST
    because if Obama dropped 25 points in less than a month, then the Obama followers would be screaming like banshees.  

    IMO, too many are paying attention to polls.  And polls don't always reflect the actual feelings of people.


    what should we be paying attention to? (none / 0) (#55)
    by coigue on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:09:01 PM EST
    President Bush's gut?

    This isn't 2004 (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:57:26 PM EST
    Entirely different dynamic, I think.

    I wish it was a different dynamic (none / 0) (#23)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:00:36 PM EST
    but I have never known people to change that much in this country.  In the end, most time, people fall back into their same old roles and mindset.

    I thought Kerry was a shoo-in, but was proven wrong.  There's nothing today that would make me think people are thinking different, just the MSM trying to be king-makers again.


    Hey look, I'm as skeptical as they come (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:02:30 PM EST
    but at absolute worst, John McCain is going to perform like John Kerry did in 2004. And that's if his stars align IMO.

    Then it's going to come down (none / 0) (#38)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:18:22 PM EST
    to 11,400 votes again in Wisconsin (the topic of this subthread)?  That's too close for comfort, considering that the state has gained a lot in population since then, plus the GOP ramping up its howling about voter fraud again (see TChris' update above).

    Obama was wise to be in LaCrosse again yesterday.  Kerry and Gore both took the state, but barely, by focusing on the Mississippi River area (in addition to the only blue strongholds of Milwaukee and Madison, as Green Bay is still soft, and I hear it's unhappy with its swing to a Dem Congressman).


    Kerry was behind in many polls (none / 0) (#40)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:25:15 PM EST
    in Wisconsin leading up to the week of the election.

    It's different now.


    We'll see three weeks from now (none / 0) (#57)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:12:29 PM EST
    for a useful parallel, then.  But then it can be late in the game to GOTV, etc., in the state.

    That's really funny! (none / 0) (#75)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:22:59 PM EST
    Thanks for the laff.  And the Packers plus the Badgers both made us unhappy again but a few days ago.  Bless the Brewers for saving the weekend, but now we need them to turn it around from last night.

    That does mean that a lot of Wisconsinites will be missing the start of the debate tonight, because the playoff game does take priority, of course.  We're talking more about CC Sabathia back on the mound tonight to win one for us more than we're talking about Palin and Biden.  


    Btw, Brewers rally brought out 15,000 (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:26:06 PM EST
    to a rally on less than 24 hours' notice, and on an autumnal day that meant donning sweaters and fleece (but with shorts and flipflops -- the transitional fashion statement for the time of year when we can go through three seasons in a day) this week.

    That was a larger turnout than the candidates have drawn here lately, even with lots of advance notice.


    We get Candidates every 4 years, but the playoffs (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ben Masel on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:43:39 PM EST
    only oncde a genderation.

    My thought exactly! (none / 0) (#85)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 08:16:07 PM EST
    As soon as I hit send.  It's fun to see my kids and students so charged up, as it really is a first-in-a-lifetime event for them.

    I, of course, am still a Braves fan.  But that means I remember the excitement here in "Bushville."


    Its a different (none / 0) (#79)
    by WS on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:37:55 PM EST
    election.  The same people who voted for Bush aren't the same people who will vote for McCain and same goes for Kerry and Obama. There will be new voters, some will lapse, some have died, some won't vote, etc. etc.

    He needs more than PA (none / 0) (#12)
    by litigatormom on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:47:08 PM EST
    He also needs OH, FLA and probably IN. I'm not sure he can get all three. Not that that's a bad thing....;-)

    This doesn't surprise me... (none / 0) (#15)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:49:19 PM EST
    Obama dropped out of North Dakota and it is very unlikely that he will win South Dakota (McCain and Palin's Pro-Life stance would bring out voters in droves in those states).

    Michigan was screwed by the DNC, but Americans have short memory and the Democratic stronghold with the unions will ensure an Obama win in Detroit and college towns.  The suburbs of Michigan will go McCain.  

    In 2004, Kerry won Michigan by about 3.5 points, not a big win.  I see similar numbers for Obama.

    pro-life stance (none / 0) (#16)
    by of1000Kings on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:51:36 PM EST
    it's amazing they still call it that...

    Oh yeah, South Dakota is a key player (none / 0) (#22)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:58:47 PM EST
    in trying to reverse Roe v Wade.  So, while Obama might hope that Daschle will help him a little (didn't' help in the primaries, for sure) and some Obama fever bleed off from Minnesota (Kerry won the state in 2004), the pro-lifers will come out in full force for McCain/Palin in South Dakota.

    If McCain is pulling out of Michigan (none / 0) (#27)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST
    that most likely represents a recognition that he was not going to win the Detroit suburbs, either.  I would bet money that Obama wins Oakland County, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wins Macomb County, either.

    I don't know... (none / 0) (#34)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:12:41 PM EST
    I read a couple of articles in the NY Times discussing the attitudes of the folks in the suburbs of Detroit regarding Obama, Detroit, race and economic.

    I got the impression that many in the suburbs of Detroit were really not interested in voting for Obama although some said they would keep an "open mind" (which tells me they don't want to vote for Obama, but won't say it because they don't want to be labeled "racist").

    But McCain needs to put his money in key states with big electoral numbers like OH and FL and PA.  

    The Catholic Church just came out calling the Democratic Party the "party of death" regarding support of stem cell and abortion.  This will mean something to American catholics, especially older Catholics (like in OH and PA).  So McCain will focus there.


    The Catholic Church (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by eric on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:17:27 PM EST
    didn't call Democrats anything.  A super-conservative Bishop said that.  I am not a Catholic, but I am pretty sure that the Pope is the only one that can speak for the church.

    Different Pope this time (none / 0) (#70)
    by MoveThatBus on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:03:19 PM EST
    Previous Pope came out loudly declaring no Catholic should vote for a pro-choice candidate, though. Maybe the Bishop felt in line with the previous declaration of the Church.

    Well (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:38:07 PM EST
    I always appreciate it when the NYT finds the time to acknowledge the existence of us flyover country folks, but it's my hometown and I think I have a pretty good read on the people I grew up with.

    Separately, I'm not an expert on Catholicism, but I'm pretty sure that one hardline bishop does not equate to "the Catholic Church."


    Most Catholics are pro-choice, (none / 0) (#47)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:44:29 PM EST
    privately, but the Catholic Church has to follow its doctrine and its value system.  And while Americans like to think of themselves as more sophisticated, the opinion of the Church still means something to many people.

    Right now Obama is polling well in PA.  I'm just saying don't put all your apples in one basket.


    All I'm saying (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:53:18 PM EST
    is that it's hard to see it changing much when the same reactionary bishop that was ranting about Kerry in 2004 is ranting about Obama in 2008.  To the extent that impacts people's votes, there's no reason to think it wouldn't have been baked in already.

    so should Catholics vote in line (none / 0) (#83)
    by of1000Kings on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 08:14:22 PM EST
    with the party that is hugely supported by Hagee, Falwell and Robertson; those that believe the Catholic Church is the 'great whore'....

    No, most lapsed Catholics are pro-choice (none / 0) (#59)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:20:41 PM EST
    as what's left in the church, officially, are conservatives. :-)

    I'm Catholic. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by indy in sc on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:07:56 PM EST
    It means nothing to me.

    Woo-hoo (none / 0) (#21)
    by cannondaddy on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 02:58:33 PM EST
    I feel like we've just liberated Paris. I guess we have to settle for Detroit.  Does this mean Obama should cut back some in that state?

    Paris would have been a lot more (none / 0) (#33)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:08:49 PM EST
    fun, nothing against Detroit, but still....

    I'm assuming the ad buys I see are (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:03:20 PM EST
    national, so he may still have a presence there, just not concentrated. I've been seeing McCain ads during daytime programing, but none from Obama.

    I thought (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:14:04 PM EST
    They don't do national ad buys for the most part, the Olympics being the exception.  I have only ever seen campaign ads during the olympics or while watching baseball - which is in the NH market as well.

    You would think they'd hang on thru weekend (none / 0) (#26)
    by magster on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:04:28 PM EST
    to see if Palin helped McCain regain his footing.

    Probably costs a few hundred grand a week (none / 0) (#28)
    by andgarden on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:06:14 PM EST
    to stay on TV in Michigan.

    By effectively conceding 264 EV's (none / 0) (#35)
    by magster on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:16:50 PM EST
    McCain has to win all of NV, CO, VA, FL, OH, IN, MO and NC.  That's pretty grim for McCain looking at the current polls in these states.

    Has (none / 0) (#39)
    by eric on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:19:24 PM EST
    he conceded that much?  Is there a breakdown somewhere with these numbers?

    It's that number (none / 0) (#48)
    by magster on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:45:56 PM EST
    if PA and WI stay blue, which PA has been anywhere from +4 to +15 in the last few days for Obama, and WI showed O + 6 in the only poll this week.

    264 is Kerry states plus IA and NM.  NH may be closer, so the number may be 260, but all the states in my comment have 9 or more EV's.


    ....oops. (none / 0) (#50)
    by magster on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:48:00 PM EST
    If he loses NH, NV only has 5 EV's.

    Polls in PA seem to be for Obama (none / 0) (#77)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:30:03 PM EST
    but I see a real shift at the end of October.

    And VA too.  I am not as confident about VA as people want to believe.  And OH has a strong, Blue Dog Democratic voting block that was unhappy with Obama (that's why Obama lost by 10points).

    I see McCain sweeping the South, from WV down to Oklahoma.


    I heard (none / 0) (#41)
    by connecticut yankee on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:25:26 PM EST
    $1 million a week for McCain according to MSNBC.

    This is obviously good (none / 0) (#29)
    by mg7505 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:06:19 PM EST
    news, but knowing McCain, it could be a publicity stunt, false alarm, or seriously sinister Math.

    Ha, Maybe he is "suspending" (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 03:08:30 PM EST
    his Michigan campaign -- for a day or two? :-)

    OFF TOPIC (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 04:56:56 PM EST
    but is it just me or does anyone else have concerns over Biden tonite?  And I am certain I am not alone in feeling that if HRC was on tonite I would have zero concern.

    I am not downgrading the ticket, just sayin'.

    Sure (none / 0) (#66)
    by Steve M on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:35:16 PM EST
    Biden is no Hillary, but I gotta say, he was pretty much aces in the primary debates.  There's still always reason to worry, though.

    I agree with being worried about Biden (none / 0) (#71)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:11:28 PM EST
    He didn't do much in the early debates and all his statements were scrutinize (like when he was criticized for calling Obama "articulate"- made to seem like Biden was being condescending to a black man).

    I think over 50 million people will watch tonight.  


    no reason to worry (none / 0) (#86)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 10:37:44 PM EST
    sheesh, he outperformed every candidate including mccain and Obama.  Great job Joe, sorry i doubted you...

    And yet (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:12:35 PM EST
    Still showing ads during red sox games.  I get it, NH and all that, but those ads can't come cheap and it's 4 e.c. votes.  Also, they are all about "big government, and tax and spend liberal" which will probably get Obama votes throughout most of New England (although NH may be the one exception).

    Palin just said what (none / 0) (#69)
    by Blowback on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 05:49:26 PM EST
    I thought she would not dare, to be so stupid!

    Katie, on CBS asks worst thing Cheney did.

    McMoose said, "The duck hunting incident" !!

    Absolutely gone! Any duties by Cheney?

    She reads People Mag on the grocery store check out line. That is the extent of her reading & knowledge.


    The answer did you expect from a REPUBLICAN??? (none / 0) (#74)
    by stefystef on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:19:55 PM EST
    If you asked any Republican, they couldn't (or wouldn't) tell you one thing against Cheney.  Cheney has been so covert and undercover, even wonks would have a problem finding something Cheney has done.

    I can think of one thing- Cheney got a secret Energy Bill through Congress.  The one that Obama voted for.

    In fact, I haven't seen one poll asking the question about Cheney.


    I second stefystef -- I mean, really (none / 0) (#78)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 06:33:12 PM EST
    this expectation here that Palin will be anything but a Republican is just wondrous.  

    Just because Obama pulled the post-partisan shtick and praised Reagan while bashing Clinton, you think the Republicans are gonna do the equivalent -- and in the general election?  This is the lockstep party we're talking about here.