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to Iraq.

Hillary: I'm looking to bring our troops home. Here's why.

Edwards: We'd all end the war. The question is how aggressively. He's said all combat troops will leave and no permanent military installations.

Obama says he wants to be careful about how we get out. How do we create stable Iraqi government without permanent military installations? (Will he have an answer? No. He veers off to what we could buy at home with the money. )

Finally, a commercial break after 1 hour and ten minutes. Post-commercial updates below:

We're on race now.

Asked about Rangel's criticism of him. Obama answers and then presumes to speak for Hillary. Gets called on it, and says Edwards should do what's best for white males.

Malveaux: to Edwards. On issue of equality and poverty, no one has been more agressive than he is. He is the most gracious tonight and I hope he gets a lot of votes for it.

[Thought insert: Obama seems angry in his responses and catty to me. Every time I hear Edwards and the openness in his voice, it strikes me. Hillary has been a little defensive, but she's been put in that posture since early this morning when Obama began his attacks on GMA and brought them into the debate. Hillary, as usual, has the most specific policies and she seems to have equal support in the audience. Obama just seems junior -- in the sense of being green -- to her and Edwards. ]

Obama moves back to unity and bringing people together (did he exhaust his policy plans?) He speaks best when he speaks in platitudes and generalities. The audience really responds favorably.

Question: To Obama: Quotes Toni Morrisson says Bill Clinton was blacker than any Black American. Asks, Was Bill Clinton our first Black President. He stumbles on the answer. He had an enormous affinity with the AA community. Rambles and then says people can change. Give Bill Clinton credit, he's stumbling on his words again, but won't answer the question. Says he needs more info before he can judge whether "he was in fact a brother." Audience loves it. Hillary laughs and says "that can be arranged." Then she gives a serious answer. What better way to celebrate the legacy of Dr. King than to look at this stage tonight.

Update [2008-1-21 21:37:0 by Big Tent Democrat]: The sitdown deflated this debate.

All the candidates are fine on the challenges ahead on race and gender. Edwards takes pride in the South's changes.

I do not have much more to add substantively but I do want to say that, imo, I know this was considered a rough debate, but we NEEDED a tough debate. These are pols fighting to be the President of the US.

These are three good people with good ideas for the country. But to be President you need to prepared for this.

They can all dust themselves off, shake hands and keep fighting. And we ALL can do that after the nominee is chosen from amongst these three candidates.

Update (TL): Obama brings up inequality in sentences between blacks and whites. He will have a civil rights division working with law enforcement to enforce laws equally.

Hillary says we have to address all these issues. There's inequality in pay between white women and women of color. She says we have all experienced the inequality of gender and race. You don't hear Republicans talking about this, only us.

She blasts "the disgrace of a criminal justice system" that imprisons so many more AA's than whites.

Malveaux asks Hillary:Is Bill overshadowing her campaign?

The most important decision is who will be the best president on day one and who can best withstand the Republicans. We need to keep our focus on whatís at stake, what future holds, what each of us will bring. Itís not about us, itís about people of SC, America. My voice is their voice.

Obama: Goes here and there on Bill. Edwards: Says McCain will be the Republican nominee and he can beat him. Not because of race or gender -- after all, he's a white male. It has to do with rural towns and the rural south. He can compete everywhere against John McCain.

Wow. Obama now says he's a proud Christian and Democrats haven't done a good job of reaching out to evangelicals. Brings Jesus into it. He wants to go after the evangelical vote? Hillary says if Edwards is right and McCain is the nominee, the discussion will turn to national security. She is the best to take on McCain or any Republican on those issues. If it's the classic attack, she's been there.

Edwards makes his first mistake in the debate. He tries to take Hillary on about lobbyists and asks her to pledge she won't hire any. She says that's not the right question...he has hired employees of lobbyists, wives of lobbyists, children of lobbyists, etc. Good zinger. She says she's for public financing.

Obama responds. He disagrees she is the most prepared on national security. He says "we've got to overcome the politics of fear. We have to keep the American people safe." Quotes JFK. Says that's how we debate Republicans.

Final question for all three: If Dr. King were alive today, why should he support you?

He believes in fighting for the poor and fighting poverty. It's the right thing to do. Obama: King wouldn't endorse any of us. He'd hold us accountable. I believe change happens from the bottom up. Talks about women organizing and forcing changes. Transparency and accountability. That's why I want to be President.

Clinton: Agrees change comes from efforts of American people. Talks about how King lobbied politicians. Meeting of morality and politics. Leaders responded. American people shouldn't have to work so hard. She will do what she can to extend his legacy.

The end.

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    For the record (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:12:30 PM EST
    While I think Obama has been taking the worst of it for the last half hour, Obama;s performanace actually give me much more confidence in his abiloities going forward.

    he has stood and fought.

    He is facing easily two of the best debaters we have seen in politics in the last 15 years. And he is not getting completely destroyed.

    Obama will wipe the floor with any Republican.

    Course Hillary and Edwards could wipe it a little better.

    I'm not impressed (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:18:19 PM EST
    with Obama at all. He's high and mighty when he does the same things he's criticizing the others for. Edwards called him on it.

    Parent
    Ok (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:20:32 PM EST
    Well, I think he is better for being taken down a peg on THAT.

    Edwards did him a favor.

    Parent

    I don't think he's being (none / 0) (#23)
    by along on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:23:19 PM EST
    high and mighty. I think he's fighting, and trying to win each skirmish.

    Parent
    Mostly I agree, but he can't take much more of (none / 0) (#19)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:18:37 PM EST
    these punches or he will be through.

    I do believe the top candidates are some of the best (at campaigning) we have had in awhile at the same time. Where was this Edwards as VP nominee?

    This debate also illustrates why senators have trouble running for president. Fortunately McCain is a senator and Mitt is a used car salesmen.

    Parent

    Correct BHO is on the ropes (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by sef on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:22:06 PM EST
    the only question is whether the like bell ringing in a boxing match saving a boxer in trouble will the half-time break save Obama letting him get his wits back together.

    Parent
    second half (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by commissar on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:12:31 PM EST
    will be moderated by Jerry Springer

    They were just brining the chairs out (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:16:16 PM EST
    and I couldn't help but wonder what it would be like if they flipped them. . .

    Parent
    hilarious (none / 0) (#16)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:17:45 PM EST
    If Clinton or Edwards did that, I would have to think about voting for them instead of Obama!  :)

    Parent
    To raise the tone? n/t (none / 0) (#102)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:00:18 PM EST
    BTW (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:23:43 PM EST
    Barack talked about no knowing who he was running against Bill or hillary earlier?

    I bet he knows now.

    For the last half hour she whupped him pretty good.

    I'm still not positive who I'm voting for (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:25:13 PM EST
    Feb 5 but I know for dang sure I want her on my side.

    Parent
    heh (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:25:28 PM EST
    This debate needed to happen.

    Hillary talks about how Bill "took on the fights of the 90s." She's been listening to Barney Frank--who could debate all 3 under the table.

    Parent

    I'm Not So Sure (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:26:52 PM EST
    Read Josh Marshall's live blog.  It's basically about how HIllary is unfairly attacking Obama.

    Honestly, why is it that Obama can stand there and call Hillary a liar repeatedly and that's not an attack.  Is it the fact Hillary is a woman that puts her to a different standard?

    It's not that I think she didn't attack Obama, she has and is.  Some of them seem fairer to me than others.  I'd say exactly the same thing about Obama.  

    Parent

    Josh is not credible anymore (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:30:20 PM EST
    on this in my opinion.

    Parent
    I've Been (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:34:55 PM EST
    Incredibly disappointed in many of the liberal male bloggers on this.  I honestly don't mind if they prefer Obama, most fit right into his demo.  But the willingness to ignore Obama's attacks on Clinton and denounce every one of her attacks on Obama is depressingly similar to the MSM.

    BTW, it's not that I think they shouldn't call Clinton for any false attacks.  But the idea that she's the only one engaged in personal attacks tonight is ridiculous.  

    Parent

    Bingo (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:36:58 PM EST
    This is the first time in 7 years of reading (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by MarkL on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:43:57 PM EST
    TPM that I have felt Josh had a problem keeping his biases in check.

    Parent
    TPM (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:47:47 PM EST
    I have sent Josh an email telling him I am done with his web site and his biased reporting....I was also a small contributor on there...I told him he was as bad as the MSM is about Hillary...Not that it will do any good but made me feel better....

    Parent
    feel free (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:49:23 PM EST
    to contribute a few dollars here, it would be most appreciated.

    Parent
    Nicely done (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:52:55 PM EST
    Hillary would be proud at how natural you worked that in, much better than her Rezko.

    And probably more effective, I'm going to drop you a few bucks tonight.

    Parent

    I will (none / 0) (#110)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:05:26 PM EST
    do just that thanks

    Parent
    Interesting. I hope he takes your (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by MarkL on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:49:45 PM EST
    criticism to heart. He's a good guy. He can admit he's wrong.

    Parent
    I emailed him this morning, too (none / 0) (#124)
    by ding7777 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:17:58 PM EST
    I started doubting Josh's when he gave Obama a pass re his longtime minister, and mentor, who gave Louis Farrakhan and honor award.

    Parent
    ummm... (none / 0) (#126)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:27:22 PM EST
    ... pretty much everyone gave Obama a pass one that one, and they should have.  

    Parent
    I disagree (none / 0) (#127)
    by ding7777 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 10:26:28 PM EST
    but why do you think Obama deserves a pass on this?

    Parent
    because... (none / 0) (#128)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:39:28 AM EST
    ... I don't believe that any member of any church should be responsible for something that the pastor's daughter did in a magazine that she runs.  

    It is pretty simple.

    Further... Obama has clearly renounced Louis Farrakhan.  

    There are legitimate reasons to attack Obama.  The Farrakhan award from his church's pastor's daughter's magazine is not one of them.

    Parent

    Its more than just a daughter's magazine (none / 0) (#129)
    by ding7777 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:40:40 PM EST
    Obama is not just "any member" of the church  - Rev Wright is Obama's personal "spiritual mentor; a person Obama get counsel from - that's a giantic distintion

    The Rev Wright, in addition to his daughter's mag award, has praised Farrakhan.

    Obama may have renounced Farrakhan but he did not renounce Rev Wright's praise of Farrakhan.

    Parent

    josh (none / 0) (#81)
    by eric on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:50:42 PM EST
    I love JMM, but he clearly doesn't like Hillary, and has consistently ignored Edwards.  Even early on, he was ignoring Edwards.

    Parent
    Big T (none / 0) (#91)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:54:30 PM EST
    since I cannot watch the debates safety cause of health would you do a synopsis of "attacks" that Obama made on Hillary that were unfounded and those that were ok....

    Parent
    athyrio, there will be transcripts on (none / 0) (#97)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:57:58 PM EST
    cnn.com in just a little bit. You'll stay calm reading it.

    Parent
    Thanks (none / 0) (#101)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:59:40 PM EST
    God Bless Nitro.....

    Parent
    bias, josh, and jeralyn (none / 0) (#99)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:59:21 PM EST
    so how does josh lose credibility because of his biases but jeralyn doesn't?

    Parent
    the difference to me is (none / 0) (#103)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:00:41 PM EST
    on this site they dont hesitate to critize or admire any of them....Very evenhanded

    Parent
    Jeralyn is up front about her preference (none / 0) (#105)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:01:05 PM EST
    for Clinton or Edwards. She doesn't pretend otherwise.

    Parent
    that is fair... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:05:53 PM EST
    Teresa's answer (none / 0) (#108)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:04:22 PM EST
    seems apt to me.

    Parent
    If The Media Takes Up The Same Frame As TPM, (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:34:36 PM EST
    Hillary will gain a lot more women voters.

    Parent
    I believe Obama threw the first (none / 0) (#34)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:30:28 PM EST
    punches. Yes, I think it is exactly because she is a woman. Unfortunately.

    Parent
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:31:26 PM EST
    Whatever punches he threw is b/c she's his chief (none / 0) (#51)
    by byteb on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:37:02 PM EST
    rival, not because she's a woman. Likewise, whatever punches she threw is because Obama is her chief rival and not because he's African American.


    Parent
    Exactly (none / 0) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:43:03 PM EST
    Boring (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:30:03 PM EST
    is my take on this segment.

    obama's is bill black question ends well (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:33:08 PM EST
    but was done very awkwardly


    it was a stupid question (none / 0) (#46)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:35:22 PM EST
    I won't hold Obama's response against him

    Parent
    Obama: (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:36:32 PM EST
    "I would  be upset if there were too much civility."

    That's for BTD.

    let's not ignore race in America (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:36:41 PM EST
    crickets about ignoring sex

    formatting alert (none / 0) (#52)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST
    don't use asterisks if you don't want to bold

    oops

    Parent

    Hillary summarizes the Democratic (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:39:21 PM EST
    Party and values better than anyone.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:41:41 PM EST
    She's been a partisan for more than 30 years and it shows.


    Parent
    Finally t they address justice (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:40:11 PM EST
    Obama brings up inequality in sentences between blacks and whites. He will have a civil rights division working with law enforcement to enforce laws equally.

    Hillary says we have to address all these issues. There's inequality in pay between white women and women of color. She says we have all experienced the inequality of gender and race. You don't hear Republicans talking about this, only us.

    She blasts "the disgrace of a criminal justice system" that imprisons so many more AA's than whites.

    BTD: cover your ears: Kumbaya. (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:44:43 PM EST


    Obama shifts to his non-partisan argument (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:44:44 PM EST
    Not going to work. .  .

    Obama Seems To Pull His Bipartisanship (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:50:34 PM EST
    rabbit out of the hat whenever he gets put in an uncomfortable position or is stuck for a good answer.

    May work on some voters but I think many are seeing through this tactic.

    Parent

    Just ruined all his goodwill from me. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:45:30 PM EST
    Edwards calls the Republican race for (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:47:32 PM EST
    McCain.

    Obama is throwing it all away for me--again (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:53:36 PM EST
    The problem with Democrats is that we don't reach out to evangelicals? UGH.

    x-tians are the largest part of the electorate (none / 0) (#93)
    by sef on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:55:37 PM EST
    & BHO has to address the emails & lit that he is actually a muslim.

    Parent
    Ugh! (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:54:40 PM EST
    Stop it, Barack.  I've liked you for most of tonight, but when you lecture Democrats on their need to suck up to evangelicals, you lose me.  Because the Democrats have not spent years insulting and blowing off Christian voters.  Just stop it.

    I thought it was a great debate (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:10:02 PM EST
    I think Clinton and Edwards got the best of Obama but he proved he can fight.

    Also all 3 were Fighting DEMOCRATS tonight.

    And to note, I was idiotically wrong in saying this would be uneventful.

    If Edwards had fought this hard (none / 0) (#123)
    by sef on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:13:19 PM EST
    & swung this well in '04 we would all be rallying around Kerry's reelection.

    Parent
    Post debate thread now up (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:10:23 PM EST
    illegal immigrants (none / 0) (#1)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:05:36 PM EST
    hey... it would be responsible journalism to update the previous thread with a mentions that NONE of the three health plans cover illegal immigrants.

    typing as fast as I can (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:10:14 PM EST
    Big Tent was doing that part as I was starting the new thread. Sorry, Edwards did say that.

    Parent
    I know... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:11:25 PM EST
    ... It just left the impression that Obama was the only one who didn't cover illegal immigrants.

    I appreciate the live blog... a lot.  I just didn't like how the last thread ended leaving a misleading impression.

    Parent

    I'll fix it and update it (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:14:40 PM EST
    while we are in commercial

    Parent
    That was my fault (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:13:38 PM EST
    Sorry.

    Parent
    Now on Iraq (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:07:05 PM EST
    thank god.

    But Edwards is going Bill Richardson about residual troops now.

    Should've Done That (none / 0) (#7)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:11:07 PM EST
    Months ago.  He should've said he'd pledge to get out of Iraq by end of first term.

    I don't necessarily agree with these kind of timelines, but he needed to differentiate himself from the others.

    Parent

    Obama is making my eyes glaze over (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:08:13 PM EST


    Obama v. Clinton (none / 0) (#4)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:09:54 PM EST
    So far I think the question will be what the media does with the spat.  Will they amplify Obama's criticism of her - essentially calling her a liar repeatedly?  Or will they take Clinton's criticism of Obama - that he constantly re-casts his prior positions and run with that?

    YES HRC goes after Bush's plan for sticking us (none / 0) (#6)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:10:21 PM EST
    in Iraq. Rein in Bush.

    sticking us in Iraq forever. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:11:26 PM EST
    my ability to express myself is gone tonight.

    Parent
    I put the transcript of the spat up (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:11:14 PM EST
    Looking forward to the "less" (none / 0) (#17)
    by Teresa on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:17:47 PM EST
    restrictive second half. The Presidential debates will have at least one like this in the fall. Eight ten minute segements and they can question each other. This will be good practice for Obama if he wins.

    White male (none / 0) (#21)
    by Rojas on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:21:14 PM EST
    threw me under the bus lol

    hey, where the fireworks go? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:26:35 PM EST
    this portion so far is a bit bland


    :Civil rights attorney" (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:27:21 PM EST
    prove it.

    Obama is being a bit catty with Edwards (none / 0) (#30)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:27:54 PM EST
    That may have been a mistake. . .

    edwards story is heartbreaking (none / 0) (#33)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:30:25 PM EST
    heartbreaking


    "john" and "barack" (none / 0) (#35)
    by commissar on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:30:29 PM EST
    are invading each other's personal space.


    But Not Hillary's (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:45:37 PM EST
    Nobody wants to be Rick Lazio.  Heh.

    Parent
    Obama is trying to build up Edwards (none / 0) (#37)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:31:58 PM EST


    son of the south (none / 0) (#39)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:33:37 PM EST
    very nicely done, Hillary!

    Geat work from Obama (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:33:39 PM EST
    re Bill Clinton the first black President.

    He really defused it and told a joke he CAN tell.

    Wonderful stuff.

    This is Obama at his best.


    I didn't like his joke. He was the only (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:34:57 PM EST
    one who could say that but it still sounded racist.

    Parent
    I disagree - respectfully of course (none / 0) (#45)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:35:13 PM EST
    this strays into the dangerous he ain't black enough territory, but he sounded so academic when he referred to the Jim Crow South.

    As if he had no idea what it really meant.

    Parent

    i thought it was a terrible response (none / 0) (#82)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:50:57 PM EST
    he stuttered his way for 30 seconds or more until he came up with his one funny line. It was painful to watch. He went this way and that. Please, tell him to come back in 2016.

    Parent
    low blow (none / 0) (#42)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:34:51 PM EST
    Obama moves back to unity and bringing people together (did he exhaust his policy plans?)

    Ummm... he is talking about race and its role in the campaign.  Of course he is going to talk about unity and bringing people together.  

    btw... (none / 0) (#47)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:36:22 PM EST
    All three spoke in platitudes when talking about the race issues.

    Parent
    Edwards does not want to be (none / 0) (#53)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:38:52 PM EST
    the "son of the South." This isn't the Republican primary. . .

    My father, who is sitting in the audience! (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:39:49 PM EST
    you knew this question was coming (none / 0) (#57)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:41:19 PM EST
    is Bill talking too much

    Here smilte during the question was the (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:42:33 PM EST
    best response.  

    Parent
    Her Response (none / 0) (#73)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:47:08 PM EST
    Was excellent, I thought.

    I thought Obama's response to her response, which caused me to cringe when he started, was actually good, too.

    Parent

    I just walked back into the room (none / 0) (#59)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:42:06 PM EST
    did the audience boo the question or did I mishear?

    Parent
    that's what I heard too (none / 0) (#68)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:45:07 PM EST
    quite encouraging

    Parent
    Should Obama be sitting with his legs crossed? (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:43:18 PM EST


    What? (none / 0) (#78)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:50:03 PM EST
    Why not?

    Parent
    That answers my question. Thanks. (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:59:27 PM EST
    Obama walks back his criticism (none / 0) (#63)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:43:48 PM EST
    of Bill Clinton.

    whining about his record being distorted (none / 0) (#65)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:44:36 PM EST
    This doesn't work. Everyone's record gets distorted. Don't like it, go into a different profession.

    edwards really has given his best (none / 0) (#71)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:46:23 PM EST
    debate performanc yet

    Agreed I love Edwards tonight (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:52:41 PM EST
    really good.

    Parent
    Did Edwards just make McCain the GOP nominee? (none / 0) (#72)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:46:42 PM EST
    I wouldn't count Mitt out yet.

    No Worries (none / 0) (#79)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:50:24 PM EST
    Mitt's still in it.  Edwards is just doing the political thing of elevating the GOP nominee so he can point out how much he beats them.

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    Edwards is looking good......and I don't just mean (none / 0) (#83)
    by kabir123 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:51:00 PM EST
    ....the haircut!  Running for VP.

    But seriously, I miss the old Obama.  Where's the smile, where's the inspirer, I mean even Hillary looked charming today relative to Obama.  He needs to be himself,

    correction (none / 0) (#84)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:51:24 PM EST
    The post says Obama called the GOP primary for McCain instead of Edwards.

    corrected (none / 0) (#86)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:52:36 PM EST
    looks like you corrected it.

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    This is (none / 0) (#85)
    by athyrio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:51:47 PM EST
    the response I just got back from him...

    Linda -- If you mean our daily digest, there are unsubscribe instructions on the email.  We're not able to unsubscribe you.  As for what you say, it's impossible to know what you mean about unfounded attacks unless you're specific.  

    JC joins the debate (none / 0) (#90)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:53:44 PM EST
    blech

    McCain (none / 0) (#94)
    by mindfulmission on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:55:42 PM EST
    Seriously... why does Edwards keep talking like McCain has already won the GOP primary?

    John Edwards, do you accept (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:56:27 PM EST
    money from any PAC funded by trial lawyers?

    Clinton's Lobbyist Answer (none / 0) (#96)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:57:42 PM EST
    Has sure gotten better since YearlyKos.  

    Yes it has (none / 0) (#104)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:01:04 PM EST
    but it wasn't that bad at YK.  Just the wrong crowd to tell it to :-)


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    OTOH (none / 0) (#98)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:59:14 PM EST
    Obama gives a decent fighting Democrat response on the issue of running against John McCain.

    Yes (none / 0) (#106)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    But I'm sympathetic to both Clinton and Obama's points.

    I don't think that just because the GOP ran on fear means that the issue of who do you trust in the White House if there is an attack or disaster or something else unforeseen is irrelevant or not a proper thing to think about when voting for President.  If anything, Bush shows how an unanticipated event can completely change what an Administration is about.  Moreover, if the nominee is Romney this is an argument that should work for the Democrats.

    OTOH, I am totally sick of the fear narrative and agree with Obama that Democrats should reject that kind of framing.

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    empowerment (none / 0) (#109)
    by Rojas on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:04:31 PM EST
    he did it again


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    i hate the fhe final question (none / 0) (#107)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:03:52 PM EST
    really cheapens Dr King

    Hated it too (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:06:43 PM EST
    But I thought all of the candidates handled it well.  I'm always more impressed by these three than I am the moderator.  Although I will say tonight I thought Wolf did a pretty good job - he got fireworks out of the candidates without being part of them (note to Russert and Williams for their Clinton pile on).

    I want to praise John Edwards.  He was repeatedly in an awkward position given his white male status and I thought he handled it with grace and humor.  Good on him.  

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    Hillary (none / 0) (#112)
    by Rojas on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:06:20 PM EST
    american people are customers...shouldn't have to work hard for change

    great response on dr. king (none / 0) (#114)
    by kabir123 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:07:17 PM EST
    by both obama & edwards and.......why I will vote Democratic.....unless mccain runs!  Hillary's was dull and inspiring and appropriately conciliatory.


    McCain is for staying in Iraq for 100 years (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:11:05 PM EST
    if that's what it takes. I gather you approve.

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    Candy Crowley (none / 0) (#115)
    by Klio on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:07:18 PM EST
    it hurts!

    But good for her (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:08:25 PM EST
    for noting that Obama started the personal attacks with Walmart.  I suspect others may brush over that.

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    The credit card gaffe by (none / 0) (#116)
    by MarkL on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:08:19 PM EST
    Obama sounds like his worst moment. I expect Hillary to use that in ads.

    That One & His Present Vote on His Bill (none / 0) (#118)
    by BDB on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:09:13 PM EST
    Had me thinking about his Kerry endorsement.

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    If Clinton is the nominee, Kerry (none / 0) (#122)
    by MarkL on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:11:55 PM EST
    can say "I was against Hillary before I was for her"  to reprise his great 2004 moment.

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    Obama 3rd tonight (none / 0) (#125)
    by kabir123 on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 09:19:20 PM EST
    ...came across bullying Hillary.  Needs to watch the image of black man/white woman dynamics.  He probably further lost the white woman vote, if not the woman vote.