Sick Day, Open Thread

Last night, as I was walking into a local tv studio to do Dan Abram's MSNBC show, I tripped on an uneven sidewalk and splattered myself on the concrete. I'm nursing a swollen wrist and bloody cuts on both knees and palms. Whose responsibility is it anyway to keep sidewalks in good repair? Or are we just supposed to walk with our heads down all the time looking for danger spots?

I'm also writing an op-ed for tomorrow's Washington Examiner on the myth of the immigrant crime wave (the topic of my MSNBC segment last night, which you can view here, but you'll need to turn the sound up on your computer to hear it. My YouTube-ing skills apparently don't include the ability to make the sound on the video match that on the tape I'm recording from.)[Update: MSNBC now has a better version here.]

So, here's an open thread for you.

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    George's Debacle... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:00:07 AM EST

    The Bait, Operation Enduring Freedom -  424

    The Switch, Operation Iraqi Freedom - 3,722

    Hope you've got plenty of Neosporin (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:03:50 AM EST
    Feel better J!

    My husband loves Neosporin (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:15:51 AM EST
    Are you a Neosporin lover too.....a Neosporin connoisseur uses the cream with the analgesic in it instead of the Neosporin ointment because the greasy isn't always good for all wounds.  He's like being around my grandmother with a bottle of Camphophenic.  There was nothing a bottle of Camphophenic couldn't cure, it would draw it out (what does that mean? it sounds mystical and scary).  I like betadine, if it hurts I want it to look like it too ;)

    Did your grandmother also tout (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:20:21 AM EST
    mecurachrome (sp) and cod liver oil?

    Not Cod liver oil (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:24:37 AM EST
    but she used to want to "paint" the back of your throat with that mecurachrome stuff if you said you had a sore throat.  It was just best to be in perfect health around her even if it was killing ya.

    What..... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:55:30 AM EST
    nobody just rubs some dirt on the wound anymore?  

    Tracy (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:14:02 PM EST
    "draw it out" meant to bring  a boil or infected wound, to a head by the application of a poultice so that it can be lanced. That normally got rid of the offending splinter, ingrowing hair or other foreign material when the puss drained from the wound. This allowed the wound to heal from the inside out and various topical medicines, alcohol, mercuchrome, iodine, etc. to be applied directly to the infection.

    No charge for the class.


    I haven't had camphophenic around my (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:53:02 PM EST
    computer ever so what has drawn you out today?  I crack myself up.

    Why?? (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:55:04 PM EST
    Just the thought of being of assistance to my favorite anti-military person.

    Let me live in a house by the side of the road
    Where the race of men go by-
    The men who are good and the men who are bad,
    As good and as bad as I.
    I would not sit in the scorner's seat
    Nor hurl the cynic's ban-
    Let me live in a house by the side of the road
    And be a friend to man.



    I knew we'd rub off on you eventually ;) (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:07:06 PM EST
    oh sheesh (none / 0) (#90)
    by dutchfox on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:23:25 PM EST

    heh (none / 0) (#113)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:37:43 PM EST
    Hope you heal quickly. It sounds painful. (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:13:28 AM EST
    Uneven sidewalks get lots of people. A good friend of mine tripped similarly last month and snapped a small bone in her wrist when she landed. Just had the cast removed yesterday.

    Take it easy...

    I trip (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Jen M on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:13:47 PM EST
    on even sidewalks.

    I'm happy to hear (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    someone else has that problem too. It's a joke among my friends and family, although usually I don't find it that funny when it happens.

    I once in my early twenties (none / 0) (#116)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 08:00:06 PM EST
    while very drunk, climbed out the window onto the sloping roof above the veranda, stumbled and went over the edge, tearing the eavestrough and soffitt off with my lower back in the process.

    Crushed a vertebrae, went back upstairs, drank half a bottle more of whiskey, then tried to drive myself to the hospital because my back was sore.

    I made it around the corner, forgot to straighten out the steering, went off the road, and plowed into a telephone pole, putting the fan through the radiator and cracking the windshield with my forehead.

    Good thing the phone pole was there to stop me. I might have hurt myself or someone else.



    Good Lord! (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 10:57:37 AM EST
    You were one of those young juggernauts huh?

    Oh yeah. Invincible. Indestructible. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Edger on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 11:37:51 AM EST
    Planned on living forever too.... <cough>

    Good thing the brain keeps growing after the body stops growing. ;-)


    Objection! (none / 0) (#125)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 11:12:07 PM EST
    Assuming facts not in evidence.



    Could have been worse (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by nal on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:15:11 AM EST
    Thank God you didn't injure your face.

    Sorry you're bumped and cut and bruised (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:17:40 AM EST
    Sending you cosmic healing thoughts.

    From my perspeciative, after two broken (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:25:05 AM EST
    bones from missing steps--watch the ground.  

    OUCH! (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:29:05 AM EST
    Something happened to me after 35, the ground isn't where I always think it is but I have avoided major wounds so far.  

    On a positive note, I was having fun (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:56:23 PM EST
    trying out different area rugs in different rooms on my new wood floors.  Slid backwards and hit my head really hard on the floor (wood over cement slab).  Only injury was a scraped elbow.  How's that for lucky?  

    This is why we have reality TV (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:57:59 PM EST
    You can't write this stuff ;)

    Reading the Matt Stoller diary (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:10:39 PM EST
    at DK about lining out the blue dogs.  I took a spot in the kennel club on my way to a life not about Iraq as education coordinator last week.  I have been on the website to order different brochures and things and really want to push kids getting their dogs a canine good citizens award from the AKC.  Just means you have socialized your pet and it knows that being aggressive isn't wanted to appropriate.  Then I read that diary and after looking at AKC logos all morning and they are the same shade of blue as the diary logo the only that computes is that Ken Salazar is not a canine good citizen.

    That comment is truly approp. for (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:21:42 PM EST
    an open thread.  If BTD doesn't rescue us soon with something volatile to discuss, who knows where this thread will end up?  

    I know where he is (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:15:35 PM EST
    He's been on the phone all day explaining to Dodd and campaign why you can't tell 210,000,000 Americans they would rather you didn't attempt to impeach the President for High Crimes and Misdomeanors because he is the President and that would eventually make them too mad to vote Democrat.  You have to give angry people alternatives, not reasons why they have to stay pi$$ed that blames them.  They'd better put him on the payroll ;)

    Your comment is confusing, pronoun-wise. (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:23:24 PM EST
    Anyhow, this open thread is definitely trending to testosterone, but did you notice how polite everyone is?  Amazing.

    BTD sd. on MyDD he is posting there tomorrow on what the Dem. candidates verifiable positions are on the war in Iraq.  [My paraphrase.] Must be lots of research involved.  


    Sorry I'm confusing (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:28:34 PM EST
    It is 99 fricken degrees here and according to the weather channel that is supposed to feel like 107.  It feels like my flying monkeys paused out from exhaustion and I'm melting, that's what it feels like ;)  I like it when BTD grinds on a topic, he always comes up with something fresh.

    So, in addition to the (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:31:38 PM EST
    "wind chill factor" there an opposite factor for heat?  What is it called?

    its called (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Jen M on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:21:11 PM EST
    a weatherman who makes you feel worse by saying "it feels like 300 degrees"

    Humidity Index (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:22:43 PM EST
    Heat factor (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 06:09:22 PM EST
    Uses temp and humidity.

    Fly fishing is for lovers (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:29:33 PM EST
    It looks so romantic but (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:33:10 PM EST
    once that line ends up wrapped into the trees?

    indeed, it is (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by scribe on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:40:24 PM EST
    take it from one who's spent many days flyfishing.

    BTW, oculus, the line only winds up in trees in three circumstances:
    1 the angler knows not what they are doing;
    2 the angler is trying for a fish located in the water under the trees;
    3 the wind did it.

    #3 is always, ultimately, the reason....


    What Did You Say? (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by karmalily on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:00:55 PM EST
    I've started a blog about having to go through life dealing with a speech impediment. I post (or try to post) every day, even if it's just a short paragraph or something. I also accept stories from other people. You can view it here:

    You mean (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:04:26 PM EST
    here, karmalilly? ;-)

    I once fell... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:32:29 AM EST
    ...while entering the door to an open house.  The pocket of my drawstring basketball shorts caught on the doorknob as I was falling, yanking my shorts pretty much down to my knees.  The only saving grace was my reply when about six people turned to see me practically bare-assed, stumbling in the door: "Thank you, thank you," I said, getting to my feet and pulling my shorts up.  "Don't tell me y'all weren't impressed with that flab."

    It was an ugly scene, man.

    Responsibility? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:37:16 AM EST
    Whose responsibility is it anyway to keep sidewalks in good repair?

    For Jim, I am going to put the blame on Rove and Bush.

    For Jar - I'll say those damn Union contractors.

    Seriously, remember all those time you tripped running along as a child and all you would end up with is a skinned knee and some scabs to pick off. I swear the ground is getting harder every year lately. I don't remember it hurting so bad when I fell in past years. Let me also say, this past winter as I introduced my 5 year old son to the art of ice skating, that ice is also a hell of a lot harder now than I remember it being 30 years ago.

    This could actually be (none / 0) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:59:45 AM EST
    a decent issue to explore. Obviously, there is some responsibly on our part to do what's reasonably necessary to avoid accidents, on the other hand the owner/caretaker of the sidewalk has some responsibility to provide reasonably "safe" sidewalks.

    Somewhere along that continuum it would seem logical that there be a tipping point (or a tripping point) one way or the other.

    Couple year ago my elderly Dad was walking on a sidewalk and got his foot caught in one of those plastic bands that are wrapped around newspaper bundles and tripped and fell and broke his shoulder.

    My Dad, as I would expect, just went to the hospital, let his insurance pay for it, and  went on with his life.

    But, the sidewalk was owned by a mall, was it the mall owner's responsibility? The newspaper co's? My Dad's?

    Are there ever real accidents, ie., where there is no fault? Just "Hey, there's good luck and bad luck in this world, sorry, but you just got some of the bad." type of accidents?

    Anyway, J, I hope you heal quickly!


    Personally..... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:11:09 PM EST
    Unless the owner put a trip-wire booby trap on the sidewalk, I'd chalk it up as "my bad" for tripping and get on with my life.

    One of my gripes with my fellow citizens is how "sue crazy" we are.  Falling down or having a fender bender is not, or should not, be a winning lottery ticket, imo.  Stuff happens.

    When I had a bad wreck where a guy hit me head on and I ended up with a golf-ball sized knot on my head, everybody I know was like "go to the doctor so you can sue".  Maybe I'm nuts, but a couple grand ain't worth giving the guy who hit me insurance woes for life.  I've been on the receiving end of a bullsh*t personal injury suit and it just ain't righteous.


    I'm with you my friend, (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:28:12 PM EST
    I'm with you.

    Most states (none / 0) (#33)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:31:12 PM EST
      now have a form of comparative negligence, meaning one has a duty to look out for one's self but that does not relive the duty of others to exercise due care in keeping property safe.

      In olden days, the doctrine of "contributory negligence" relieved one of liability if the injured party was even slightly at fault for his injuries.

      With comparative negligence,  one's liability is reduced by the percentage of fault attributed to the injured party. Many, if not most states have what's termed modified comparative negligence meaning the injured party can only recover if his negligence is less than the combined negligence of the other parties. (e.g., if he's founf 49 % at fault he can recover 51% of his damages, but if he's 50% at fault he can recover nothing.

       As for who is responsible for keeping  sidewalks in good repair, it depends on a lot of things-- state common law, local ordinances, private contracts, etc. Normally, one sues every party which might conceivably have liability and lets them plead contribution, indemnity, release, etc. because the last thing you want to do is fail to include the party ultimately found accountable.


    The ground is the same.... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:01:15 PM EST
    we're getting softer brother.

    At least I am....rough touch football season is right around the corner, and the last year or so I'm not just sore on Mondays...I'm sore till Thursdays.  


    We sure are... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:14:20 PM EST
    getting softer. Aging is a cruel deal, and we are still in our primes.

    I keep myself in reasonable shape. I have some friends who I set out on hikes with a couple time a year. We get pretty serious and push ourselves pretty hard, then stay up late around campfires smoking and drinking cocktails. Well, we had to fit a trip in this summer into a shorter time-frame due to personal scheduling conflicts, but we thought we were up to it. Went thirteen miles the first day, carrying 50-75 lbs on our backs up and down trails while being attacked by mosquitoes, black and deer flies. Sounds like fun, doesn't it? For some fools, somehow it is. Anyway, this years trip was marked by early departures to our tents and sore and slow progress during the day as each of us was nursing our own sore bones and muscles, blisters, and insect bites. 10 years ago we would have done this trip no problem and had many late nights of foolish shenanigans and conversations under the starlights. Don't know what this means for future trips, but the most recent kicked all of our assess - two weeks out and I'm still feeling soreness in my joints.


    Growing old is bad. Alternative is worse. (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:20:28 PM EST
    Neither of you are even close to "old."

    As for the future, I recommend parking on the far side of the lot and walking briskly to the bar's door...

    Specify extra heavy drink tumblers filled to brim for additional weight.


    You're right old-timer.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:36:16 PM EST
    but our decomposition has begun.

    And I like that workout:)


    With some luck (none / 0) (#36)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:46:25 PM EST
    We'll get there.

    I'll keep your advice in mind for the future when I do get old.

    Working in the garden will burn some calories as well- I'm told. I know my muscles are getting sorer each spring as I work the soil. I know my grandpa kept a garden til he was 89. I hope I can make it that long.


    Gardens are the keepers of our soul (none / 0) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:10:35 PM EST
    And buy a better tiller...



    Time to check into hiring llamas to carry (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:24:17 PM EST
    all that gear.

    Hiking.... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:33:46 PM EST
    is a great indicator, for damn sure.  It's the incline that gets me when I hike, flat land I'll go all day, but throw in an incline and I'm a hurting unit, dragging arse.

    I like to think I'm in good shape since I can run younger guys into the ground playing football and basketball...but in reality it is probably more stress on my body than benefit since I don't excercise outside of sports, walking, and the occasional hike.

    But on the court/gridiron Peaches...the look on the opponents face when I light a Marlboro Red after running cirlcles around them is priceless...priceless.


    That would be priceless, (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:52:54 PM EST
    I'd like to see that look as well. What I'd love to see, Kdog, is for you to be at the starting line of the New York Marathon lighting up a heater just before the gun goes off.

    I will roll one (Organic Naqtive American Spirit-of course) on our hiking trip and I can enjoy a cigar, but I've never developed an addiction to tobacco.  Of course, there is always the designated ganja-man on our trip with the supply ready to pass around the campfire or to set us up during the day as we psyche us up for the day's hike to make us momentarily forget the pain of each incline before us


    No marathons for me dude.... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:01:04 PM EST
    I need to see the goal-line before I start running, otherwise I walk.

    You reminded me of another reason I can't quit the team...the guys are counting on me supplying the pre and post-game floogan.


    I ran NY in 3:42 6- or 7 years ago. (none / 0) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:02:03 PM EST
    My one and only marathon.

    That's impressive..... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:04:41 PM EST
    Why not others?  Too sore after that first one?

    Kids. No time to really train for such (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:12:26 PM EST
    long distances. Maybe when the kids get older, but by then I'll be slower. And NY just about killed me.

    I still run though, shorter distances, usually 4x/week. I've been running harder and faster as this year's progressed. It feels good.

    I'm an ex-jock - baseball, football, wrestling, track, then rugby in college and after.

    Both shoulders and my back are ruined, but, man, the legs still got a little juice left...


    If you're ever.... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:20:13 PM EST
    stuck in NY on a fall/winter Sunday morning, me and the boys could always use a ringer with juice in his legs:)

    Thanks man, I've still got legs, (none / 0) (#73)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:32:13 PM EST
    although I never played much b-ball so I'd be enthusiastic but probably not much help otherwise.

    But the thought of an hour or so on a court playing some hoop on a brisk fall morning with the kdog is all good!


    Actually.... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:38:14 PM EST
    I was talking football there...my main game.  I need somebody to give me a run for my money streaking down the field on kick-offs.

    That is what I'm all about. (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:54:17 PM EST
    I still got the hands, legs and moves.

    Joined a pickup game when I took the kids to a local park a couple weeks ago. Even in hiking boots, I ran around guys half my age like I was back HS.

    Just don't ask me to throw anything...


    You would fit right in...... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:01:39 PM EST
    we're set at QB with my bro-in-law....he can wing it 60 yards with accuracy.  A lefty too.

    I can't throw worth a lick either...but I got the soft hands.


    I'm middle aged (none / 0) (#46)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:12:15 PM EST
    (late 40s) but I can still bring it. I don't have a problem with endurance. It's more that my reflexes and reactions are half a beat slower than they used to be and I don't have the quick first step i used to have, but you can adapt to that in most sports when you are playing at the recreational level even against considerably younger guys. The biggest thing I notice is it takes longer to recover. No more playing then going out for a few until the wee hours and getting up and feeling fine the next day.

    You got 15 or so years on me.... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:24:54 PM EST
    I haven't noticed a slower reaction time yet, still got the quick first step, just the longer recovery time has hit me so far.

    I hope I'm still bringing it in 15 years...rock on Decon.  I love playing b-ball with the older guys around your age...it may be a stereotype but the older dudes are the ones making the extra pass, setting the picks, boxing out, and playing the right way in general.  Nothing kills the game faster than the young punk point-guard  ball hogging.


    kdog (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:20:50 PM EST
    Nothing kills the game faster than the young punk point-guard  ball hogging.

    The reasom for that is they probably never actually played the sport, had no coaching, so all they are doing is trying to duplicate what they see on TV.

    Defense, basketball, football and baseball is all about smarts. Knowing where you are supposed to be at any given time.

    It can be argued that offense is much the same. True. But offense actually has to go somewhere.


    I concur... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:36:13 PM EST
    I call the phenomenon Allen Iverson Syndrome.

    another problem (none / 0) (#78)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:39:30 PM EST
    is the big slow  guy who thinks he's Dirk Nowitski and want to launch 23 foot jump shots  all day  instead of playing underneath.

    I know him...... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:48:05 PM EST
    I call him "the hanger" because he just hangs out in the middle of the court....never hustling down or back.  When he gets the ball I just run towards the rim because you know he's chucking it.

    AIS is why (none / 0) (#101)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 06:04:47 PM EST
    I no longer watch pro basketball to any degree, and the clock in college has hurt the game in my opinion... (I know the world disagrees. I don't care.)

    I played football and basketball in high school. Not a great talent in football, worse in basketball. Back then you played both ways in football, and while everyone wanted to win, there was no great pressure to win. You learned the basics, which started out with not breaking the team rules. The best way to get to play was to correctly execute the play called.


    Bball (none / 0) (#55)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:11:07 PM EST
    is a young man's game, imo. I stopped playing once I reached my thirties. My ankles are permanently screwed from stepping on other people's feet and I feel lucky to still have two working knees. I'm also 6' 2" and played guard in my high school days, with a devastating outside shot honed through hours of shooting in the driveway during and obsessive and delusional youthful years determined to be an NBA star, despite adults tutelage to the contrary.

    First my eyesight deteriorated as a young adult and time commitments kept me from the daily commitment to my stroke, so my outside shot was no longer my ace. In pickup games and leagues, I was matched up with "the big guy" and I found myself playing an inside game that seemed determined to put my body through unrelenting physical hardship. Finally, my competitive streak often made me a participant in  a few on-court incidents that ended with punches thrown and were not conducive to my growing pacifist leanings off the court. I am in awe of Kdog and your commitments to continue participating in my favorite game, but I'd advice you for sake of long-term health hang up the sneakers pursue less competitive and physically punishing hobbies.


    I never had the problem... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:33:36 PM EST
    of being all that good at basketball to see myself slip.  I get by on sheer determination and hustle...no choice since I've got no handle and the streakiest of jump shots.  Football came natural, basketball was always a struggle.

    You should see my rec league if you thinks its a young mans game....when me and the 40 year olds end up on the same squad we routinely beat the twenty-somethings, they think the game is played by 4 guys standing behind the 3-point line and the other going one on one....me and the old-timers whip out the back door cuts and the pick and roll and next thing you know its game point.

    Funny...I think its my hardcore competitive streak in sports and poker that keeps me a non-violent peace-loving guy.  Sports and friendly competition is a great way to get the aggression out of my system.  When somebody pisses me off to where I wanna clock them, I just wait till Sunday and take it out on the receiver coming over the middle.


    I'm a pure point guard (none / 0) (#61)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:37:14 PM EST
     and never was a great outside  shooter (although I still have 20/20 vision.  I used to be almost always to take my man off the dribble though,  and unless people knew  me and knew  to play off me and dare me to shoot I could be by them. Those days are gone unless I happen to be matched against another geezer. As Kdog suggests I get by on guile and competiveness these days

      I don't intend to quit playing any time soon. I play twice a week at 6 AM at the Y with a rotating group that includes guys from the mid 20s up to my age. I know guys in their 60s who still play reguarly -- they play with other older guys and the ball is generally walked up the court and defense is generally a fairly stationary zone but they're still out there. I'm not quite ready to "graduate" to that yet.

      I wouldn't go out and play tackle football or rugby but basketball is great exercise and it's a lot easier to get a workout when it's a game with score kept than just running which bores me to death. (I hike extensively and it's the uneven terrain that kills you not the grade.)


    Thats the word..... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:10:03 PM EST
    boredom.  To just jog or do some sit-ups bores me to tears...I can't do it.  

    I find the best workout of all is boxing.  Three 3 minute rounds and I'm hurting more than after a full day of full court b-ball.  


    If I could, I would (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:10:43 PM EST
    join you two. I really do envy the fact Kdog and you still play. I really do fear hurting myself, though. For my hike I strap my ankles in my old basketball braces and put on boots that keep my ankles stiff. I'm missing two ligaments (or are they tendons, I forget) in my left one that have snapped and should get surgery according to the docs, but I have this crazy ass notion I can get by better by running around barefoot and letting my body adjust to the injury by strengthening the muscles in my foot and lower legs. I really am a screwball. My doctor tells me to do one thing and I go and do the opposite. It's the anti-authoritarian in me, I think.

    But, I did listen to his advice to stop playing on the hardwood and to give up going on daily runs pounding the pavement.


    get a bike (none / 0) (#74)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:36:04 PM EST
      If your legs can't take the pounding, biking is the ticket to keep your legs. I don't like riding bikes in traffic anymore but I love going mountain biking. I also have  one rigged to carry all my fishing gear  and I can cover miles and miles of streams that would be impossible on foot in the amount of time I have.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#80)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:43:13 PM EST
    I got the bikes both touring and mountain and rigs with saddle bags and the whole deal. I've always wanted to take up fly-fishing, but its one of those hobbies I never got around to. But riding around on trails with all the gear strapped on to get to out of the way hotspots sounds like paradise to me. Maybe someday, but there is only so much leisure time available.

    If you like backpacking, camping and hiking (none / 0) (#85)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:10:28 PM EST
    fly-fishing is the way to go. I really got into it because the best places for flyfishing are, well, the best places. I was somewhat resistant at first because of the "elitist" image but really that makes no sense. After all you can get all the gear you need for a fraction of the cost of a bass boat, and I've found the "snob" factor while not non-eexistent is greatly exaggerated.

    Love fly-fishing. (none / 0) (#87)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:18:11 PM EST
    scribe's a fly-fisherman also...

    Peaches (none / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:38:12 PM EST
    That's great advice.... I walk three miles three times a week and have only one knee that sometimes gives me problems. Several guys my age that I know have had the knee replacement trick...

    The best excercise for old people is walking and yard/garden work. Lots of bending, stretching, holding and sweating.


    Put up a rim.... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:40:28 PM EST
    on a patch of dirt like Jimmy Chitwood.

    kdog (none / 0) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:42:00 PM EST
    Get yourself a treadmill.... warm up and then do a 4 mph 5 degree up for about 30-45 minutes.

    That'll stretch those legs,


    What are friends for, eh?? (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:15:40 PM EST
    Thank You Thank You



    in response to your questions: (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 11:41:21 AM EST
    [a] Whose responsibility is it anyway to keep sidewalks in good repair? [b] Or are we just supposed to walk with our heads down all the time looking for danger spots?

    {a} It varies wildly from state to state.  This is where a good local plaintiff's PI lawyer, likely a member of what used to be called ATLA, can come in and give you a good opinion.  Usually, the landowner is the ultimate responsible entity, but whether the duty is to an invitee, licensee or trespasser, whether the duty is delegable or not, and so on, are issues of state law.

    (b) No.  We are a free people and are supposed to be able to walk with our heads held high.

    Poor baby! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:05:43 PM EST
    Read point 3 of this page. You backing of Hillary, or Obama, et al will only continue the corporate greed and the money sucking war that has destroyed this country from the inside out. If you really want to be safe, then vote for a man who will actually fix that terrorist sidewalk that so rudely interrupted your quest for the Kwan.

    From David Sirota today (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:09:20 PM EST
    White House: Wealth Inequality "Is Not A Very Interesting Story"
    The New York Times reports that according to new government data, "Americans earned a smaller average income in 2005 than in 2000, the fifth consecutive year that they had to make ends meet with less money than at the peak of the last economic expansion." As most workers' wages stagnate, however, the folks in the top two tenths of one percent of income earners are doing quite well. According to the White House's official statement, in fact, this divergence between the vast majority of Americans and the wealthiest two tenths of one percent "is not a very interesting story." To them, it is just an annoying distraction from their bigger goal of manipulating the labor market through immigration and globalization policies specifically designed to drive wages down even further.

    Renegade repairmen (none / 0) (#23)
    by chemoelectric on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:13:55 PM EST
    Whose responsibility is it anyway to keep sidewalks in good repair?

    Sounds like a job for Tuttle.

    Falling Down Sucks... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jeff in Texas on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:23:49 PM EST
    ...as an adult.  I remember some comedian a few years ago doing a bit about how when you were a kid, you fell down ALL THE TIME, and it was never a big deal.  But as an adult, on those rare occasions where you miss a step, trip on the sidewalk or whatever, it's a freaking train wreck.  

    I feel for you-- get better!

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:24:45 PM EST
    Take care... I recommend soaking those wrists and hands in epsom salt water with epsom salt water soaked towels wrapped around the knees.

    In my state, if the displacement in the (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:26:49 PM EST
    sidewalk is under, say 3/4", that's trivial; no liabiity.  If there is a huge displacement, its open and obvious; also no liability.

    I hope you're feeling better soon (none / 0) (#40)
    by jerry on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:57:22 PM EST
    Obligatory non-lawyer note: You don't know any Slip and Fall Lawyers?

    Hope you feel better soon J (none / 0) (#43)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:00:35 PM EST
    And at least you didn't hit your chin or forehead right before taping.

    I gotta ask..... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:13:57 PM EST
    what the hell is the point in drug-testing a whole town?  Link

    IMO, some people have an unhealthy obsession with other people's urine.

    Interesting article though. Much higher meth (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:26:16 PM EST
    use in cities w/gambling facilities.  affluent communities; no meth, but cocaine and ecstasy.  Your tax dollar at work.

    I guess.... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:51:05 PM EST
    its interesting as a sociological study of drug use.  

    I'm worried about some knucklehead at the DEA or ONDCP coming up with the idea of a state-sponsored weep hole in all our waste pipes to check each household for drug use.  I don't wanna have to build an outhouse to keep my bodily waste my business.


    Find out where the knucklehead lives and (none / 0) (#58)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:22:19 PM EST
    dangle it over his fence.

    composting toilets (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:28:13 PM EST
    Actually, with proper handling and care - human waste from composting toilets can make excellent fertilizer for the garden. This is the answer for you.

    I know...you aren't ever going to accept any produce from my garden. Actually, my wife won't buy into it, despite my attempt to persuade her of the benefits.


    You kidding?.... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:48:53 PM EST
    of course I'd accept homegrown grub from your garden.  

    That sh*t (pun semi-intended) is natural...I'm not sure about what the corporate farm uses.


    the corporate farm (none / 0) (#64)
    by Peaches on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:00:13 PM EST
    uses derivatives of oil as fertilizer. Nothing natural about it and it produces produce that is nutrient (vitamins and minerals) deficient that likely results in a sicker population than needs be. This knucklehead thinks homegrown grub is the key to good health and it seems to be working so far.

    You wouldn't want to use most human waste as fertilizer. I would worry about the toxin level of taking waste from a municipal sewage plant that is tested for drugs. I'm not talking about th illegal toxins, but the legal ones instead. But, if you are not taking any medications and eating well with lots of veggies and grains and your meat consumption is limited to grass fed and organic meat and wild game, then that sh#t can go in my compost anytime.


    That's sort of funny where I live (none / 0) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 12:02:06 PM EST
    If they tested the waste water around here for meth the tube would glow.

    Passed your bone-density test, I gather? (none / 0) (#51)
    by janinsanfran on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    Glad to hear that; am living with a partner who flunked hers in similar fashion and has a 6-week casted wrist and 6 screws.

    Get well soon.

    And kick butt on the "crime wave." The SF Comical ran a puff piece on those nice ICE guys rousting out the dangerous criminal illegals this morning. Noxious.

    When I broke my leg after missing (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:49:54 PM EST
    an unlighted step (all their fault), my friends urged me to get a bone density test.  I did--excellent results.  Just clumsy.

    Hope you mend soon! (none / 0) (#54)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:06:22 PM EST

    A Speedy Recovery For You (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:16:03 PM EST
    In NYC it is the landlord's responsibility. Our insurer was going to cancel our buildings policy because of a slight crack in the sidewalk. The pavement was not even uneven.

    Guess that the insurers have to pay out a lot of slip and fall claims.
    Poor babies.

    Interesting Rasmussen poll results for (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:20:57 PM EST
    Dem. candidates in South Carolina:


    Cuba, Obama is Right -- Hillary is Wrong (none / 0) (#88)
    by Aaron on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:21:21 PM EST
    Political campaigns are one of the few opportunities still afforded to the American people for us to make changes in how our government operates.  Unfortunately more and more both parties seems content maintaining the status quo for decades in order to avoid rocking the political boat.  Concerning our policy on Cuba, the Cuban people have suffered and died unnecessarily for decades, for no other reason than to maintain this balance and appease some minority elements in our government who have had far too much power to control this issue for far too long.

    These folks do not have the best interest of the Cuban people in mind, nor have they ever, their only interest is to perpetuate a wedge issue in order to maintain some tenuous grip on power which was hardly anything more than a political construct to begin with.  The whole thing is rather fanciful and it gets perpetuated because people in our government continue to buy into this fiction.  It's the 21st-century and it's time we moved ahead with the normalization of relations with Cuba, and the Democrats should support this as a matter of ideological consistency.  

    Barack Obama is proposing a moderate stepped in the right direction reversing the flawed policy of the Bush administration which has heaped even greater hardship on the Cuban people.  Hillary Clinton wants to perpetuate the Bush administration's mistakes and is quite obviously on the wrong side of this argument.  It's as simple as that.

    Obama's Cuba Stand Breaks Rank

    "The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways," Obama wrote.

    "Unfortunately, the Bush administration has made grand gestures to that end while strategically blundering when it comes to actually advancing the cause of freedom and democracy in Cuba," he added.

    He promised to grant Cuban exiles unrestricted rights to visit their families and to send remittances home.

    Obama Wants to Ease Cuba Family Travel

    Huffington's Pro Hillary stance

    As I recall, the AP article on Obama's op-ed (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:28:42 PM EST
    piece in Miami Times quoted younger through older Miami Cuban ex pats and their descendants.  The spokesperson for the elders was definitely not in favor of Obama's position.  The younger persons interviewed approved of what Obama said.  Those elders are extremely hard-headed and seem to still retain political power in FL.

    Aaron (none / 0) (#119)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 09:23:21 AM EST
    He promised to grant Cuban exiles unrestricted rights to visit their families and to send remittances home.

    Yes, sending money into Cuba will certainly increase pressure on the Castro brothers to change things.

    Let me figure this out. People send money to people in Cuba. People in Cuba have no place to spend money. People in Cuba demand Castro bring in Macys....



    ehm, Jorn Barger (Wikipedia template) (none / 0) (#96)
    by Sumner on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 04:40:14 PM EST
    That's A Brain (none / 0) (#98)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 05:13:39 PM EST
    He's a favorite of mine. I like his expansive taste in links and the Joyce stuff is really great.

    Before robot wisdom he was on telegraph ave homeless and begging with a sign that said something like:

    Please help.  I live on a dollar a day and I coined the term weblog.

    Someone recognized him and set him up.


    It's getting ugly... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 06:12:09 PM EST
    This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan, Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States that if military action against Iraq continues, Taliban authorities will cut off America's supply of convenience store managers.

    And if this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by Bell customer service reps.

    edger (none / 0) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 09:17:18 AM EST
    Sounds like an opportunity for you.

    Think you could run a 7-11, say 10 hour shifts??


    Wow (none / 0) (#104)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:18 PM EST
    Quite an open thread today.  I feel like I just walked into a huge party in a small room.

    Jay Rosen's (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    op ed on blogging (in response to Michael Skube) is now available at the LATimes Site.

    That's great (none / 0) (#108)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:13:56 PM EST
    Hope it's in the print version too. With URLs.

    I notice he left out the stringer Josh Marshall hired to go to New Orleans with laptop and satellite uplink right after Katrina, who ended up being the first reporter on the scene. I remember thinking it was a bit of a landmark not just for that but because it made TPM the first blog to actually hire a reporter, at least first that I'd heard of.


    I'd forgotten about that (none / 0) (#109)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:17:54 PM EST
    but now that you bring it up, it IS surprising it didn't make the list.   You should post it in the comments on the Times page.

    Done (none / 0) (#112)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:27:50 PM EST
    Thanks, I hadn't. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:08:54 PM EST
    Pearlstine ... now a senior advisor to the Carlyle Group ...  

    You're going to get in trouble again for not doing proper

    Just put the work LINK in front of the url and put the whole thing (word LINK and the url)in brackets.  

    that was in reply (none / 0) (#110)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:18:12 PM EST
    to a comment by Occulus that used a url too long for the comment box and skewed the thread. Had to delete, Occulus, sorry. Thanks Mary for posting his link.

    The link above is to a (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 02:51:29 PM EST
    NYT book review of a book on shield laws for journalists.  Book author makes disparaging comments about bloggers, who he does not think should be shielded, even if journalists are.

    Thanks everyone (none / 0) (#111)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:20:13 PM EST
    for your great comments in this thread. I got some ibuprofen and neosporin and will be back to normal tomorrow.

    I really enjoy reading the comments about your experiences, it is like Mary said, being at a small party.

    Hope you recover quickly Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Aaron on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 07:57:57 PM EST
    You weren't wearing high heels were you? I don't know how women can walk in those things, and they are nothing more than a patriarchal manifestation that hearkens back to the days of foot binding.  I look forward to the day when women will give them up entirely, you don't need them to make your legs look good ladies.

    Since you seem to be an advocate for illegal aliens in this country, perhaps you would consider doing a series which highlights all the jobs that these folks do, that would otherwise go undone.  Just send someone into the kitchens of all the restaurants there in Denver and Boulder, just like the harvests in the fields, nobody's vegetables would get cut if this labor pool was eliminated, you'd probably see the price of your average dinner rise by $10-$15 a plate without these workers.  

    And all the carpet and drapery cleaning companies who operate pickup services for rugs and linens.  Coit, Stanley Steamer etc. they all have backroom sweatshops where they pay illegal immigrant women less than half of the minimum-wage.  Of course meat processing as well employs many illegals, and all the major companies which supply security officers, they always have a significant percentage of employees who are illegals, they rely on these workers in order to turn a profit.  And the home health-care business that provides nurse assistants to the elderly and the disabled would probably shut down completely if their supply of illegal immigrant labor dried up.  And it will soon be harvest time all across the southeastern quarter of the United States, produce production would grind to a halt if that migrant labor force was eliminated.


    I was wondering if our input (none / 0) (#123)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 02:45:47 PM EST
    was making you feel better or worse.