4th Of July Open Thread: On Patriotism and Liberty

Given our President's stunning disregard for the rule of law this week, and that it's the Fourth of July, I'm wondering what thoughts you all have on patriotism and liberty and on how this Administration has driven a stake in the heart of both.

For opposing the war, we're called unpatriotic. Our civil liberties have been disregarded by everything from the NSA warrantless monitoring program to no-fly lists, the Real I.D. Act and federal immigration raids on workplaces.

Scooter Libby, convicted of lying and obstructing justice at a trial conducted openly and with full due process, who was sentenced in accordance with, not outside the law, has been given a get-out-of jail-free card based on cronyism at best and fear that if he talked, he'd sell out others in the corrupt administration, at worst.

So, what are you celebrating today? And if you haven't read it in a while, here's the Declaration of Independence.


It's also an appropriate day to consider who is an American?

An American is English…or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani, or Afghan.

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them choose. An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

Update: Here's Scarecrow at Firedoglake on self-evident truths and obstruction of justice.

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    Dark clouds.... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 09:25:58 AM EST
    were prevalent on this 4th of July in NY...swimming was out and we could barely keep the fire going.  Fierce winds making Frisbee difficult.  Worst 4th of July weather I could recall.

    I couldn't help but think it was some kind of omen...the beacon of liberty no longer shining bright, storm clouds rollin' in on us.

    Global warming strikes again. (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 10:49:44 AM EST
    It got my early tomatoe plants, too!



    Tell me about it.... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 12:18:58 PM EST
    It was more like a typical northeast Veterans Day than Independence Day.  Total bummer.

    Pool, bbq, old friends and new.

    Spend less time on TL. Your weather will get better.


    Rub it in, rub it in.... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 12:45:51 PM EST
    You Californians and your perfect weather...

    And as a special treat (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:12:20 PM EST
    some unpolluted air.....



    I don't get your point. (none / 0) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:20:31 PM EST
    SUO (1.00 / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 09:36:28 PM EST
    uh.... I thought you valley types didn't trust air you can't see...

    WTF? This one just blew me away.... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Edger on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 10:21:34 AM EST
    AS A stabbing victim lay dying on the floor of a convenience store, five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a photo with a mobile phone, stepped over the woman.

    The June 23 incident, captured on a store surveillance video, received scant news coverage until a columnist for The Wichita Eagle, in the US state of Kansas, today disclosed the existence of the video and its contents.

    Police have repeatedly refused to release the video, saying it is part of their investigation.

    "It was tragic to watch," police spokesman Gordon Bassham said. "The fact that people were more interested in taking a picture with a cell phone and shopping for snacks rather than helping this innocent young woman is, frankly, revolting."
    Calloway, 27, died at a hospital from her injuries.


    More than the weather has gone cold.... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 12:22:21 PM EST
    I guess.

    McClatchy (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 05:38:22 PM EST
    Is the one paper these days that speaks truth to power.

    ...yesterday, on Indepedence Day, a McClatchy newspaper with a heavy military presence in its circulation area came out for withdrawal.
    The headline: "Bring Home U.S. Troops." It concludes that this war "isn't worth a single more American life."

    The paper is The Olympian in Olympia, Wash. Nearby are Ft. Lewis (which has sent tens of thousands of troops to Iraq) and McCord Air Force Base. Daily circulation is about 32,000. The president and publisher is John Winn Miller. Vickie Kilgore is executive editor.


    THe editorial:

    Hearts are heavy this Fourth of July as the United States continues to wage an unwinnable war in Iraq.

    Public support for President Bush and his war has steadily declined as the number of war dead continues to climb.

    On a day when Americans are supposed to celebrate the freedom and liberty won by the blood of our forefathers, most Americans instead find themselves disgusted with the trillion dollar war being waged in their name with their tax dollars.

    On a day when Americans are supposed to wave the flag with honor and respect, many Americans are disheartened and embarrassed. They are fed up with an arrogant president and an ineffective Congress and their inability to extract this nation from the ill-conceived war that has alienated U.S. allies and unnecessarily sullied the reputation of this great nation.

    This year, our day of national pride feels more like a day of national shame.


    Tracy <3 McClatchy (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 11:43:15 PM EST
    The Libby lesson for Iraq (none / 0) (#1)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 11:56:31 AM EST
    Ron Brownstein spells out the implications for "uneasy Republicans" on Iraq:

    ...with his decision to spare I. Lewis Libby from prison, President Bush sent his critics a clear signal that he will not concede an inch of ground that they lack the strength and determination to take from him.

    ...even at low ebb, Bush hasn't abandoned his pugnacious approach to governing. If he can implement his ideas, he does, whether or not he's built consensus for them...

    The Libby decision's clear implication is that unless opponents can make it politically unsustainable for Bush to maintain his current direction in Iraq, he's likely to resist anything beyond cosmetic change -- no matter how much his support in Congress and the country erodes.

    No one in Congress needs to consider that message more than the Republicans uneasy with Bush's Iraq strategy but unwilling to break with him over it...

    The lesson of Libby is that consensus matters no more to Bush today than when he was at his apex. He still responds to power, not argument. Watching Bush shrug off the Democratic outrage over Libby ought to show Lugar and other uneasy Republicans how much their softer words on Iraq will affect the president -- unless they command his attention with a sharp slap of repudiation in the votes on the war that will soon consume Congress again.

    Wait till 09 (none / 0) (#2)
    by Saul on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 12:15:11 PM EST
    The chances of the Democrats controlling Congress and the White house in 09 is almost a sure thing.  When that happens then start the investigation on Bush, Cheney, Karl Rove, Gonzalez, and Libby.  Any investigation now will only be rejected by the republicans and you won't have the votes. But in 09 you will.   I think a major investigation on the lies of getting into this war is paramount.   We just hope Bush does not pardon all these guys on his way out.  What is so ironical is how this adminstration went after Sadamm the dictator only to show how much a dictatory he has become to include Cheney.  I wrote an article for my paper on this subject and they printed it.  Here it is:

      The Hypocrisy of It All

    One of the goals in Iraq was to bring democracy to the Iraq government.  Many Iraqis are now saying, "We do not understand this new democratic type of government you are talking about."
    Do you mean like the recent midterm 06 November election you had in the United States where the majority of your people voted for the democrats on the basis of ending the Iraq war?  However, your president said, I don't care what 65 percent of the American people want I will continue with this war even if the only supporters left  are my wife and my dog Barney.    
    Do you mean like the Baker-Hamilton Commission that told your president that the current course in the management of the war was no longer viable and that major changes had to be made to include using diplomacy with the adjacent countries?  However, your president said I heard the commission's recommendation but I chose not to follow them and we will do it my way.  
    Do you mean like the military supplemental spending bill that both houses of your government passed with conditions of a timeline to end this war because of the mandate the people gave your Congress to end this war, along with your generals who agree that the only solutions to this war is a political solution and not a military solution? However, your president said, I will veto this bill if it has a timeline to end the war and I am requesting a surge of more troops.  

    "Our government was a dictatorship type of government and its ruler was Saddam Hussein and this new democratic type of government you describe sounds very similar to the one we had. Thanks but no thanks."

    Saul Sandoval

    Saul (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 12:39:53 PM EST
    Our government was a dictatorship type of government and its ruler was Saddam Hussein and this new democratic type of government you describe sounds very similar to the one we had. Thanks but no thanks."

    So, Saddam served for eight years and then left office??



    No, they won't (none / 0) (#9)
    by sphealey on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 01:18:33 PM EST
    > The chances of the Democrats controlling
    > Congress and the White house in 09 is almost a
    > sure thing.  When that happens then start the
    > investigation on Bush, Cheney, Karl Rove,
    > Gonzalez, and Libby.

    With all due respect, no, they won't.  Not unless they are willing to start down the path toward a Constitutional Convention at least and a civil war/revolution at worst.  The game simply isn't played that way among the DC insiders/elite - and realistically it probably can't be played that way if we are to have any stability in our nation.  What would come after that:  reopening the Whitewater lunacy?  Investigating JFK's use of drugs in the White House and prosecuting anyone still alive who participated in that?

    Cheney, Addington, and Norquist's (evil) genius lies in the way they cracked the system including the Senate, the DC press corps, and the nation's elite political players in general.  In a brilliant feat of social engineering they recognized that if they simply ignored all the unwritten laws, traditions, and constraints that have governed the United States even in the time of Nixon that no one would stop them.  And no one has.

    So I can tell you exactly what the DC insiders will do (particularly under Hillary, but even under Mr. "Smallness of Our Politics" Obama):  they will get back to backslapping business-as-usual for the next 8 years and hope against hope that Jeb Bush won't bring Addington, Libby & Co. back into his Administration for another round of wrecking in 2016 (mabye 2012 if the Dem President can be neutralized through outcry and attack).  In this they will be wrong, but they will keep on hopin'.



    I disagree partially (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 06:05:58 PM EST
    1. Whitewater  and its affilated scandals was investigated by 3  (count em 3) GOP prosecutors and at the end of the day, the final report said there was no there there.
    2. The SOL has long since run on JFK and drug use
    3. As for any other previous scandal you haven't mentioned, lets stipulate that laches precludes further prosecution and the public wouldn't stand for it as a matter of polticial pragmatism.

    Do you know the whys of the timing of Nixon's pardon?

    There were ominious signs from Jaworski that he was losing control of his Watergate Prosecution Force and the grand jury. At the beginning of August, Jaworski requested members of his staff to forward their recommendations on Nixon. The advice showered in, and it was unanimous: Jaworski no longer had the right to stand in the way of the grand jury... In an August 27 memorandum on Nixon, made available under the Freedom of Information Act, Neal urged Jaworski to "advise the grand jury that you will abide by its decision and that you will assist in preparation of a report in lieu of an indictment, if the decision is not to prosecute, or will aid in preparation of an indictment if the grand jury decides on prosecution ....

    ...In mid-August, Jaworski was in touch with Philip Buthen; the two men were staying in the same downtown Washington hotel, and often met privately. There was also Jaworski's continuing relationship with Haig. It seems probable, based on the constant meetings between Jaworski and members of the White House staff, that Jaworski warned Haig that Richard Nixon was facing imminent indictment...

    In his 1976 memoirs, The Right and the Power, Leon Jaworski wrote of a visit late in August with Senate Judiciary Chairman James Eastland, of Mississippi, a Democratic supporter of Nixon's. "He said he had just talked with Nixon, that Nixon had called from San Clemente. 'He was crying,' Eastland said. 'He said, "Jim, don't let Jaworski put me in that trial with Haldeman and Ehrlichman. I can't take any more." Eastland shook his head. 'He's in bad shape, Leon.'

    The point is, when Nixon was out of office the prosection was going forward and an indictment was imminent.  It is legally possible to pursue Bush and Cheney after they are out of office, if there is evidence of a crime. I certainly would be open to it.

    I agree that DC insiders will be pointing the Ford precedent to let Dick and Bush go, but  to allow Bush and Cheney to escape Scot free is invitation for a repeat down the road of the that diabolical social engineering that you describe.


    Happy Fourth! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Slado on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 12:33:15 PM EST
    Have a hot dog and put the partisan rhetoric to bed for one day.

    The sun will rise tomorrow.

    Hallmark Holiday? (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 12:47:04 PM EST
    Sever it at the roots and serve it up as a coctail weenie.

    How Republican of you Slado.


    We're having brats (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 01:07:04 PM EST
    Simmered in red wine before grilled.  I guess it's sort of an Elitist Hallmark Holiday here ;)

    Not Hallmark (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 01:53:54 PM EST
    Hallmarkization means to empty a Holiday from any content except that which will generate $$$ profits.

    I can hardly imagine your elegant weenie roast commencing without any political discussion.

    Slado is asking for you to stuff another weenie in your mouth rather discuss how seemed to have moved back to the days of King George.


    PS (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 01:54:48 PM EST
    Sounds delicious, wish I was there.

    Come on squeaky celebrate! (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 02:33:27 PM EST
    Two fourths from now either Guilliani or Hillary will be president and we'll be fighting over some other meaningless political travesty of justice.

    On that occasion I will be the chicken little or you will be.

    Either way we'll both have the freedom to speak our minds and ruminate the day anyone was dumb enough to put a Bush, Clinton, Barak or Gulliani in the Whitehouse.

    That's something we should all celebrate.

    Have a hotdog and make it out of our own private stash of tofu if you want to.

    Happy Fourth!


    Couldn't Agree More (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 08:19:21 PM EST
    But for me  a celebration is always going on anyway and is not mutually exclusive of noticing that with George the Chimp running things we are more like the 18th century than 21st century.

    King George is back.  


    Fair and honest elections (none / 0) (#6)
    by Lora on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 12:55:22 PM EST
    Elections are always in the back of my mind.  All our freedoms are at risk if we do not have fair and honest elections.

    The primaries will provide a great chance to find out what you can about our election system, before the presidential election.

    It's a chance for you to get to know the folks that work at the polls and the folks who control the election process.

    Find out how your votes are counted.

    Find out who certifies that the votes are accurate.

    Find out how they are sure that your vote is counted the way you intended.

    Find out if you can secure that information yourself as a citizen.

    Find out as much as you can.  Then ask yourself honestly:  Are you satisfied that the vote you cast has been fairly and accurately counted?  What gives you that assurance?  Follow the trail.

    Without this process fully accounted for, we have no freedoms to speak of.  Do it now.

    Captain America died for Bush's sins. (none / 0) (#8)
    by TomStewart on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 01:09:32 PM EST
    Vote Democrat.

    Digby (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 02:20:02 PM EST
    Quotes Common Sense:
    "But where says some is the King of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal Brute of Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve as monarchy, that in America THE LAW IS KING. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is."

    How apropos.

    Once Upon America (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 02:43:46 PM EST
    Once Upon America:
    And so it goes. The 4th of July is here with its parades and "what America means to me" essays, and picnics and fireworks, and all those pretty speeches about freedom and democracy and the true meaning of Independence Day. But it is all a facade. A lie.

    Modern America now spies on its citizens, conducts warrantless wiretaps, suspends habeas corpus, creates "free speech zones" to corral protestors out of sight of sensitive royal eyes, and politicizes the very justice system meant to protect people's rights by turning it into a fraternity of God-fearing Republican conservatism. Neocon America rewards hate speech with celebrity, reviles the very immigration that built this country, and sells out to the highest lobbyist while poisoning its people. Preemptive war trumps truth, and death is glorified by those who never have to sacrifice an ounce of flesh. America has become the personal ATM machine of Bush and the GOP while their corporate cronies line their pockets with the lives of our loved ones.

    Washington is no longer that "shining city on the hill," but rather a dismal swamp cloud of shadows that slink about in swirls of deception. The people's house is a piceous cavern of razor black secrets that shred the Constitution with every breath. And those charged with defending the Constitution - defending the Bill of Rights - scurry around in frantic search for the cheese of compromise and campaign contributions.

    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

    Americans have become orphans of the great silence.

    Democrat and Republican alike have forsaken representation of the people and the people's will. The latest polls show that 77 percent of Americans want the troops home from Iraq.

    A slight rewrite ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 05:59:47 PM EST
    A Disgruntled American (none / 0) (#17)
    by Levi on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 07:43:57 PM EST
    It's July fourth, but I am not going to be blowing off any fireworks. I have nothing to celebrate. The country I was born into is a joke. I am frankly ashamed to be an American.

    My entire life they have been telling me how great my country is and how I should be proud of it. Well, I think this country sucks. Our political system is the laughing stock of the world. It doesn't matter if you vote Democrat or Republican because either way it's the same old totalitarianism.

    America is supposed to be a nation where you are free to worship, unless you want to smoke marijuana as part of your religion. Oh well, it doesn't matter if we deny religious freedom to some pot heads.

    America is supposed to be a nation where you are free to speak your mind, unless you want to protest a war.

    America is supposed to be a nation where you have privacy, unless your president decides it's ok tap your phone lines.

    America is supposed to be a nation that doesn't torture its prisoners, unless they are accused as terrorists.

    American is supposed to be a nation that is ruled by a system of laws, unless the president doesn't like how those laws affect his staff.

    I hope you have a great fourth of July holiday. Unfortunately, I have nothing to celebrate.

    Levi (1.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 10:36:46 PM EST
    We aren't perfect but....

    In Iran, SA and other Moslem countries you would probably be killed for trying to worship as a Christian or Jew... They also frown heavily on dope..

    I know of no one who has been put in prison for protesting... Oh, maybe arrested for disturbing the peace, but nothing serious..

    Your phone lines are secure unless you are having a conversation with a suspected terrorist you are calling/have received a call from who us outside the US. Inside it takes a warrant..

    Has any US citizen proven they have been beaten because they are suspected of being a terrorist? Prove me wrong. And no, solitary isn't torture.

    You may not like it, but Bush has broken no law with the commutation of Libby's sentence.

    I think you are complaining with a full stomach, food in fridge and living in a country that tolerates the people on the edge quite well. Perfect? No. But what would be your choice??


    The shame of low expectations (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 04, 2007 at 11:15:20 PM EST
    Whoo, hoo! We're not as bad as iran.

    Torture, kidnapping, illegal wiretaps, an exec that claims to be above the law, secret prisons ...  but yer belly's full so quit yer bichin'


    sailor (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 12:20:07 AM EST
    Can you read? I said we aren't perfect.

    And he can complain all he wants. I just think he is complaining of hunger with his mouth full.

    Unlike you sailor I have always worked towards actual solutions to improve things. That's important in the real world.


    And just (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 11:46:18 AM EST
    how the hell you know what sailor does is beyond me, Uncle Troll.

    Another decade of your type of "soloutions" and the fallout will get us before the Co2 does. Thanks for nothing.


    jondee (1.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 11:53:11 AM EST
    Cuz, if I wanted you to know I would tell you.

    And the dementia's (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 12:00:48 PM EST
    going to get you before the fallout gets us.

    Thought a few would get a kick out of this (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:23:10 AM EST
    We visited some of the local happenings yesterday before setting off our fireworks.  The Statue of Liberty Bike was here that Orange County Choppers made.  Lots of people around it taking pictures with their cell phones and our seven year old son hollers out "Look mom, it's the same color as a third place trophy!"  My husband starts giggling and tells me that would my son but I disagree, he was talking about trophies and awards and I'm thinking that was my husand's genetics talking.

    What an amazing looking bike. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Edger on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:29:33 AM EST
    The ultimate toy!

    I'm not a motorcycle sort of chick (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:50:54 AM EST
    My husband bought a Harley when he got home from Iraq but it is a wanna feel bikerish on the weekends or I wanna be a cool aging dude bike IMO.  The Liberty Bike is cool though.  The Wiki photo doesn't do it justice. My favorite part of the bike are the rearview mirrors that have lady liberty's face profiled in the edges like she's looking back at you.

    Here's a (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Edger on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:55:28 AM EST
    cool picture of it. It's a huge bike.

    Can't help it Edger, I'm broken (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 07:14:36 AM EST
    thanks to my son.  I look at it this morning and all I can see is a really cool third place trophy.  I won't be able to get over it till Bush leaves office and takes Cheney and fricken Gonzo with him ;).

    About this "Bush (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:44:38 PM EST
    dosnt pay atytention to polls" meme that some feel the need to crow proudly about: the only people who dont modify their thinking and behavior as new info from the outside world come in are neurotics, fanatics and psychpaths; apparently those are qualities that some of us hunger for in a leader. His skewed assurance becomes our skewed assurance. The Germans, Bolsheviks and those that would impose Sharia Law want that too.

    Meanwhile, seismic readings in the vicinity of Washington, Jefferson and Madison's graves indicate a 400 RPM spinning movement.


    So true (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:51:57 PM EST
    Does anybody ever take just a sec and think about that?  If we all acted like that from day one and we didn't modify any of our behaviors or thinking by taking in new information we would have no personal boundaries at all.  We would walk around serial violators of everyone unfortunate enough to be in our vicinity.

    Tracy (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 09:43:28 PM EST
    Good psycho babble for two year olds, but when used in context of a politican you are saying that if you, as a leader, will not do anything unless the polls agree with you, then you are not a leader, but a mere enabler of what you think people want you do do.

    As Davy Crockett said, "Be sure you're right and then go ahead."


    I'd rather be guilty of psycho babble (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 11:41:49 PM EST
    than psychotic babble.

    Heh. Heh. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 11:47:38 PM EST
    Heh. Hahahahahahaha.

    Nicely done, Tracy! Excuse me while I clean off my monitor. Heh. :-)


    Popped in before bed (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 11:55:49 PM EST
    busy day.  Having a midnight snack of some blue berries I bought from a local farm.  If there is a God he/she must be part fresh blue berry.

    You mean if there are angels? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 12:10:16 AM EST
    They are made of blueberry cheesecake?

    War on Soft-Serve...... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 10:08:39 AM EST
    The NYC noise police have declared war on Mr. Softee.  Link

    I say it all the time...it must suck to be a kid these days.  

    It must be hard to be an ice cream truck (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 11:46:32 PM EST
    driver, don't run over any little kids even though they are chasing you and crowding around you, listen to the little kids and understand what they want and then provide it, don't run over any little kids even though they are chasing you and crowding around you and for God's Sake don't leave your ice cream music on at the curb!

    Yes (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 12:13:39 AM EST
    It was better when I was a kid because the icecream truck had bells that the icecream man would ring himself. All the kids would come running and the icecream man would stop ringing and start handing out icecream.

    Today kids have it worse because they have to listen to a blaring soulless drone that goes on and on even while they are being served the treats.

     Kids are not stupid when it comes to icecream, and their ears are quite sharp. No need for the electric amplifiers and nonstop drone.