The "Just Win, Baby" Caucus

Glenn Greenwald points to the latest deep thinking from the Wingnuts:

After having created "The Victory Caucus" two months ago only to stand by helplessly as it died a rapid and painful death, right-wing bloggers have now joined forces with former Senator Bill Frist to create a new Victory website, the purpose of which is to set forth their foreign policy principles for the Iraq war. The name of the site is "We Win. They Lose."

Their advice is good. No, really. They seem to have borrowed it from Prof Reynolds:

Glenn Reynolds

1. Did you support the invasion of Iraq? Yes.

2. Have you changed your position? No. . . .

3. What should the U.S. do in Iraq now? Win.

Or Al Davis. Course, the Raiders were the worst team in the NFL last year.

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    I'm an oddball there (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kindness on Fri May 04, 2007 at 10:26:26 AM EST
    Grew up back east liking the Raiders.
    Moved out to the Bay Area, and then Al moves the team to LA.

    I still like the Raiders, though the 49er's are my guys.  Al Davis can go rot for I care though.

    The new Glenn Reynolds clones will surely find the same fate.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Fri May 04, 2007 at 10:34:42 AM EST
    At least if they borrow from Reynolds, Fist and his victree cockus aren't overcomplicating. Seems like they are using their intellectual faculties to the limit.

    Win what?

    The Davis comparison is so apt (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by janinsanfran on Fri May 04, 2007 at 11:09:31 AM EST

    A lot of that reading made me feel very (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 04, 2007 at 11:24:44 AM EST
    tired, it happens sometimes.  There isn't a military objective in Iraq any more, there hasn't been for four years now.  The military objective that was once there we attained, we won okay.....militarily we won....the military attainable goals were obtained.  This isn't a military problem and it isn't a military war, how can people continue to be so stubbornly blindly deafly stupid?  There is no war we can fight there and militarily win, there isn't any peace either and that is America's fault!  I'm so sick of the people who can't handle their own shame!

    Jeff Huber (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Edger on Fri May 04, 2007 at 11:34:52 AM EST
    More Son of Stay the Course
    Just when you think the right's rhetoric on the Iraq war can't possibly become more insane, they turn around and prove you wrong.
    On Tuesday, 6:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mr. Bush gave his post-veto speech to the nation.  He must have been suffering from post-veto depression
    Yeah, he managed to squeeze in the standard non-binding accusation that Iraq and al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks were all connected, and threw in a handful of neoconservative non-sequiturs as well.  

    This one stood out for me: "It makes no sense to tell the enemy when you plan to start withdrawing."  

    Heh.  It made no sense to tell the enemy you were going to execute a "surge" plan, and how many troops that surge would involved, and how many of those troops would be deployed to Baghdad and how many to Anbar province.  And it sure as shooting didn't make any sense for Mr. Bush to roll out a map showing where the security stations in Baghdad are located.  Talk about aiding and abetting the enemy.
    Iraq is not going to surrender to us, and we're not going to lay down our arms and surrender to Iraq or anyone else.  The people objecting to withdrawal timelines are the same folks who fork tongued us into invading Iraq in the first place and then denied for years that we had become bogged down in an insurgency and a civil war.  They didn't know what they were talking about then and they don't know what they're talking about now.

    It's sad but yet I'm truly amazed (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Freewill on Fri May 04, 2007 at 12:21:46 PM EST
    Right there on that website they post the full names of bloggers who've joined their coalition.

    Yeah, some of the names like Duke Cunningham are probably not real. However, my guess, based upon the fact that the names listed do not demonstrate any type of pseudo-theme, the majority of the names are of the actual persons.

    Now, this confuses me a bit. Why would they give out their full names to the World? Why would they give up their screen name so that it becomes easy to match the real person to the online persona? Why would they allow themselves to become targets of not only ID thieves but also Terrorist who will follow our troops home if we leave Iraq? (/snark)

    A mischievous mind might start collecting these names which are also associated with what Blog they linked from. Just clicking on a few names, these people are giving up huge amounts of information about a large amount of their personal lives.

    You know, there are plan old stupid people in this world. The creator of the "We Win. They Lose" site had no consideration for the people whom they are requesting help from. They, in no means, are protecting their clientele's personal information. The creators are simply using these like minded individuals and do not care about the risks associated with giving the Terrorists easily found information.

    Oh well, these are the types of people whom spout that "they are the chosen ones who will protect America from the evil in this world". They tout, "if it wasn't for us, you lefties would be dead". Go figure, the same corporations in-trusted by the current administration to secure our nation are in cahoots with the "We Win. They Lose" collation.

    Yeah, smart, tough-talking, Warmongers always seem to shoot themselves in the foot somehow!  

    Just an update (none / 0) (#7)
    by Freewill on Sat May 05, 2007 at 10:59:07 AM EST
    I'm very interested in actual power that the rightwing bloggers have. Studying this particular frightwing petition attempt gives a lot of insight to their actual power by numbers.

    The "We Win, They Lose" petition started on Monday April 30, 2007. As of today, Saturday March 5, 2007 at 11:00 am est, only 7569 people have signed this petition. Yesterday when I viewed it the number of signers totaled approximately 4600 people. This petitions best day, so far, has been Friday where they just about doubled their numbers.

    However, looking at some of the names that have joined "their coalition of the willing" you see some people have infiltrated and left bogus names that, if viewed by politicians would diminish the actual value of these signed names.

  • 321. "These People Are Morons",
  • 322. "Chickenhawks Unite", (flash video definition of this term added by me)
  • 371. "U. B. Cracked",
  • 375. "bush sucks",
  • 383. "Mike C. Ock", and
  • 385. "Pat Tillman" are just a few of the names today that are on the coalition name list that is 400 names long. One commenter on Hugh Hewitt's web site on this petition topic named Brian J had a great comment on the right's actual "power in numbers" attempts. He also pointed out that "We Win, They Lose (wwtl)" had less diggs than Mike Gravel. The next commenter after Brian J was Col Bat Guano who agreed with Brian J and he pointed out some of the bogus names. Col Bat Guano urged people to look at signer Number 379. "Ayyy F___deezguys". Unfortunately, since the time that Col Bat Guano pointed out this name (Friday May 4 at 5:18pm) someone wised up at wwtl and removed the name.

    Just how many times have they had to remove names from their coalition list? I wonder if that total exceeds the actual number of "real" names gathered?

    I've noticed how the Frightwingers try to amplify their minority messages to make their messages seem as if they hold control of America's views. It is a complete sham. It started years ago (and probably before my time also) with slogans like "the silent majority" used to try and inflate their powers by numbers and "the left controlled media" meant to diminish any attempt by the media to report on the truth.

    Doing a little studying and everyone can see the smoke and mirror attempts to fool the masses. Houdini eat yer heart out! But, then again, Houdini never spent billions on his illusions meant to fool the populace.

  • But, then again, (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Sat May 05, 2007 at 11:14:29 AM EST
    even though the frightwingers spent billions on illusions meant to fool the populace. the billions and the illusions only worked on the peasants.

    It's no surprise, but there are still some who don't get it.

    But nobody expects them to get it. ;-)