Tuesday Open Thread

It's time for the Tuesday open thread. I'm starting my day early with court, followed by a visit to the jail, then on to the Tenth Circuit for the oral arguments in the Joe Nacchio appeal, which I hope to be live-blogging at 5280.com, provided the court doesn't decide to ban laptops from the courtroom.

After that it's a holiday party and time with the TL kid who just arrived back in Denver. Wednesday I have a date with Frontier Airlines, flying to Texas and back in time for dinner.

So, while I'm occupied elsewhere, here's a place for you to keep each other up to date on whatever is going on in your world.

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    Lets hear it for pharmacists (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Jen M on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 11:49:18 AM EST
    that decide that the holiday season is the optimal time to make a depressed bipolar patient go cold turkey on the anti-depressants.

    Thanks, Slick. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:35:39 PM EST
    No, really.  I mean it.

    You're doing a bang-up job of helping Obama and Edwards with this suggestion:  Former President G.H.W. Bush (a/k/a 41) will "help" President Hillary by going around the world with Slick to help rehabilitate the US image.

    This is the same GHW Bush who (a) can't find a single word to say about his son's performance in office which disagrees with any of son's criminality, (b) helped make Cheney, (c) used his administration to help further both the cancer rotting the country from the inside out and the careers of the personages doing that cancerous work, (d) started this whole cycle of MidEast wars with the first Gulf War*, (e) got the Shock Doctrine really working in places like, um, Eastern Europe.

    Yeah.  Him.  He'll be really welcome.

    This initiative by WJC seems more directed at the Establishment, to let them know they are safe with Hillary.  The problem is, the People want change.  And Hillary is the anti-change candidate.

    That, and it shows just a little more flailing from the Clinton campaign - desperation.

    So, from all us Edwards (and Obama) fans out here, we say:  "Keep it up.  We'll take all the help you can give us, Bill."
    * Our readers should recall (I do) that the US Ambassador (Ms. April something-or-other, not Joe Wilson) had a meeting with Sadaam shortly before he invaded Kuwait, in which he made more or less clear his gripes with the Kuwaitis and his desire to force the issue to a conclusion.  The Ambassador gave him the green light, by default.  What better way to start a war, than to have your future adversary start it for you, George?

    tehe (1.00 / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:10:56 PM EST
    "Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as presiden

    Uh, did anybody mention that Bush the Elder is likely to just tell her to pis*s off?

    Hillary should send Bill to outer Mongolia. He is doing more harm that good.


    Your Anti-Clinton Propaganda (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:09:47 PM EST
    Does not change the fact that GHWB and WJC are working together contrary to GWB's shallow and divisive policy that you are either with us or against us.

    Hillary should send Bill to outer Mongolia. He is doing more harm that good.
    And whenever you offer the democrats advice we know by now that it 180 degrees from prudent.          

    Obviously you are worried.              


    What propaganda? (1.00 / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:33:24 PM EST
    You think mention that GHWB will tell her to pi*s off is propaganda??

    Not At All (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 11:14:50 PM EST
    It is your contention that Bill Clinton is poison ergo, GWHB could not possibly be his ally becaues HRC or another Democrat will not win in 08.

    Your track record regarding election predictions is poor.


    Poor?? (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 09:52:48 AM EST
    Well, I nailed 04... You may be remembering DA's false claim about '06... I proved him wrong on that by going to the archives and showing what I said.. You know I have a habit of doing that..

    As for Bubba....Along with claiming that Bush the Elder would help Hillary after her election (See Rabbit Stew Receipt) he has claimed that he was against the war from the beginning..which he wasn't.. Things like these just remind the voter of the negative things about the name Clinton. He has lost his glow, and has Hillary, in the press and will be picked on for accuracy like ordinary people.

    Neither are used to that.

    BTW - This is what Bush 1 had to say about helping Hillary.

    In a statement sent to CNN Tuesday afternoon, former President Bush's chief of staff Jean Becker said that he "wholeheartedly supports the President of the United States, including his foreign policy. He has never discussed an `around-the-world-mission' with either former President Bill Clinton or Sen. Clinton, nor does he think such a mission is warranted since he is proud of the role America continues to play around the world as the beacon of hope for freedom and democracy.

    Simpler. Someone should tell Bubba that joint PR for charity does not make a friendship.


    ummmm.... (5.00 / 0) (#37)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:21:41 PM EST
    Uh, did anybody mention that Bush the Elder is likely to just tell her to pis*s off?

    He already did.

    Darn.  Bill and 41 were such good buddies.  Who'd've ever thought a Republican would punk a Democrat over something so obviously in the national interest?

    Oh, right.  The article quotes 41.  He thinks his son's done a good job and 'murca's loved even more for it.


    We'll See.... (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:28:22 PM EST
    But for now GHWB is sticking to the notion that a Republican will be in the WH in '08.

    Well, what else could he say? (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:59:09 PM EST
    • That the spawn of his loins has totally f'd the entire country domestically and internationally and, in truth, deserves to spend the rest of his days in prison for his crimes?

    • That his beloved son has screwed the family business of politics for at least a generation*
    (we can only hope)?

    - That his former enforcer of party and campaign discipline has shown himself to be better suited, in terms of job aptitude, as a dog trainer or S&M practitioner than to make sensible decisions affecting the lives of millions?

    And, as to Slick, he's now finding out that despite having been President, he's still seen by the patriciate as a nouveau riche aspirant to the patriciate and, as such will never be accepted by them as one of their own.  To the patriciate's eyes, he is still no different than the sharecropper on their plantation.  In America, class still rules, and rules by exclusion.
    * I've been thinking for a while that 41's alleged disappointment in W, rather than Jebbie, being elected was a false front.  Rather, I think the Bush crime family's plan (or inclination) all along was that W would get in while Cheney was still alive so as to put all of Cheney's skills to use in totally f'g up the government and putting Presidents in a position to Rule rather than Govern.  Then, someone smart (like Jebbie) would be able to really make some coin for the family after a break of a couple terms.  In this regard, guys like Rudy Cue Ball and the Mittster are just the guys whose turn it is this year, and their turn and fate is to lose to the consolidationalists in the Democratic establishment.  


    Yes (5.00 / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:39:08 PM EST
    The sharecropper is never going to be a royal, which is why the press hated him so much. I doubt that GW will make a dent in the family biz though. The roots run too deep and he has made some mega deals for himself over the last several years. For instance the 98,842 acre farm that he bought in Paraguay:

    the land is reportedly located in Paso de Patria, near Bolivian gas reserves and the Guarani indigenous water region, within the Triple Border.

    As a child of a sharecropper (1.00 / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:36:06 PM EST
    Please quit insulting them by comparing them to Clinton.

    He had a very much middle class upbringing.


    OK i know HIllary (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 06:02:03 PM EST
    is on my s***t list this week.
    I just saw on CNN that in Hillary's morning show marathon, a reporter asked her if she ever cries!

    WTF She laughed it off, but really how is that relevant to ANYTHING?  it was such a sexist set up too, because she would get hammered no matter how she answered.

    Obama, Race, Religion (none / 0) (#1)
    by Aaron on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:38:04 AM EST
    Jeralyn, how about a weather report re (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:41:25 AM EST
    Denver airport?  I'm flying in early Sunday a.m.

    I'll let you know towards the weekend (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:55:01 AM EST
    right now it's clear but there could be another storm coming Thursday.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:59:11 AM EST
    Try this (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 08:06:36 AM EST

    It is called "National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's"  National Weather Service and will give you a ton of information Just click on Denver on the map.


    Seagulls are pretty good meteorologists (none / 0) (#13)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 10:32:41 AM EST
    Saw a few hundred seagulls in town Sunday.  We're about ten miles from the ocean as the seagull flies, with a mountain in between, so when you see them this far inland, get out your raincoat.

    It started raining that evening, and it's coming down hard right now.


    The weather here... (none / 0) (#8)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 08:36:42 AM EST
    ...is a little trickier to forecast than other places, oculus.  For instance, without looking, I know that Seattle will be wet and in the 40's while I'm there next week.  

    Here, one slight shift in the wind and what would normally be a little snow, turns into a blizzard.  It can be 20 and snowing one hour and 50 and sunny the next.  Part of the joy of living in Colorful Colorado.

    Sunday looks pretty good at this point for you--partly cloudy and a high of 36.  

    I fly out on Sunday--perhaps we'll pass in the terminal at DIA.


    How to forecast in Seattle (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:47:15 PM EST
    If you can't see Mt Raineer it is raining.

    If you can see Mt Raineer it is going to rain.


    EVEREST Voting System Review, Ohio (none / 0) (#5)
    by Aaron on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 01:15:39 AM EST

    [COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio's electronic voting systems have "critical security failures" which could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State, according to a review of the systems commissioned by Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.]  

    1,000 pages of bad news: Ohio e-voting report released

    [Unfortunately, the findings in this study indicate that the computer-based voting systems in use in Ohio do not meet computer industry security standards and are susceptible to breaches of security that may jeopardize the integrity of the voting process. Such safeguards were neither required by federal regulatory authorities, nor voluntarily applied to their systems by voting machine companies, as these products were certified for use in federal and state elections. ]

    ["The findings of the various scientists engaged by Project EVEREST are disturbing. These findings do not lend themselves to sustained or increased confidence in Ohio's voting systems." ]

    ["To put it in every-day terms, the tools needed to compromise an accurate vote count could be as simple as tampering with the paper audit trail connector or using a magnet and a personal digital assistant," ]

    Also a problem here... (none / 0) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 09:18:32 AM EST
    From the Denver Post:

    "A significant number of electronic voting machines in use in Colorado aren't reliable enough or secure enough for compliance with state laws, Colorado Secretary of State said today.
    "The results today will have national repercussions across the country," Coffman said during a press conference.

    Coffman announced that his office had determined that Sequia's electronic voting machines, the Edge II and the Edge II Plus, both failed due to security risk factors. He said the optical scan devices, eScan and BallotNow, manufactured by Hart showed they could not accurately count ballots.

    ES&S optical scan devices also failed because of inability to determine if the devices worked properly. That manufacturer's electronic voting machine, iVotronic, also failed because it can be easily disabled by voters. That system also lacked an audit trail."

    It's going to cost us some money too, since the City and County of Denver spent millions on these electronic machines.


    an interesting item (none / 0) (#7)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 08:32:26 AM EST
    on rawstory. a minnesota sheriff's dept. is having budget issues, due to the rising cost of ammunition. turns out their weapons use the same caliber as the military, for handguns and rifles.

    as a consequence of both the rising cost of metals used in production, and increased demand by the military, this dept. has had an almost 100% increase in their ammo budget, between 2007 and 2008. they've cut down on training ammo, to the bare minimum, to save money.

    not so sure this is a good thing, and i have to wonder how many law enforcement agencies are facing a similar situation.

    I suppose switching weapons (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jen M on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 08:52:54 AM EST
    would cost way more.  

    Inflation turns up in the weirdest places.


    Lynching? (none / 0) (#11)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 09:12:25 AM EST
    This lynching happens daily and several times a day.

    Wow... so attacking a presidential candidate is now lynching? That actually is pretty offensive.  

    Ironically you stay quiet about Jeralyn's constant attacking of Obama while constantly praising Clinton.  It isn't surprising that I haven't seen anything even mentioned about Kerrey's racial/religious bigotry against Obama.

    Mind you, I am an Edwards supporter and I don't thing much of Hillary as a candidate. But hate, especially when inherited from the right wing, is an abomination.

    Haha... ironically you support the biggest Clinton attacker of all.  Edwards has run a pretty consistent anti-Hillary campaign, yet you complain about the Clinton hate?
    I totally agree with Krugman who originally implied that Obama is a liar and a Republican.

    As soon as you or Krugman find any example of Obama being a Republican, you may have some credibility.   Of course, in the context of you complaining about the "hate" of Clinton, you would need to stop supporting Edwards if you wanted credibility.

    Well (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 10:50:08 AM EST
    seeing as how she has vast right wing conspiracy, and now a vast left wing conspiracy out to get her.  How is she going to win a general, are you saying she is unelectable?

    Hillary used to be my second choice, She took a hit after Shaheen, but after this Bob Kerrey bull, it is clear this is a pattern.  She is so power hungry she will do anything to win, even play to xenophobias.  As it stands right now I'm not even sure i would support her in a general, i would rather loose then have racism become a standard our party accepts.  Some times it is better to loose than to compromise your values.

    doesn't that pretty much describe (none / 0) (#15)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 11:01:08 AM EST
    the entire republican field?

    She is so power hungry she will do anything to win, even play to xenophobias.

    in fact, that would pretty much describe anyone running for public office, now wouldn't it? otherwise, why bother? yeah, i know, the whole "public service" thing. that, i'm sure, plays a small part, for most anyway. but ego, ambition, etc. wield big clubs.

    of course, silly me, i kind of thought the whole "capitalist, free market" thing was all about ambition. damn that adam smith!


    Ambition (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 11:06:03 AM EST
    there is nothing wrong with ambition it is generally a good thing, unless it is taken to far, which I believe is the case with senator Clinton.

    doesn't that pretty much describethe entire republican field?

       She is so power hungry she will do anything to win, even play to xenophobias.

    Yes it does, but remember we are the democratic party.  I'd rather loose than become like them!


    Exactly how is Senator Clinton too Ambitious (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:04:40 PM EST
    Noble Brutus?  In what way is she too ambitious?

    And before you start - I have long been on record as an Edwards supporter and right now I lean Edwards or Dodd.


    You may prepare to faint and fall down. (1.00 / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:59:05 PM EST
    I agree.

    The above is to Molly B (1.00 / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:59:48 PM EST
    Oy Vey! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:04:04 PM EST
    Nothing is too good for my friends. (1.00 / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:28:35 PM EST

    lines not to be crossed (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 01:42:12 PM EST
    There are certain lines you don't cross when trying to win an election.  Playing on racial stereotypes and phobias is a big one for me, and I would hope all democrats, she is so hungry for power she crossed it.  I find that unacceptable, you may be willing to over look it, I'm not.

    okay, you've made this unsubstantiated claim (none / 0) (#26)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:53:21 PM EST
    at least twice, in this same thread. put up or shut up. let's see some cites, supporting your assertions, vis a vis sen. clinton's brutal, cutthroat, powermad, overweaning political ambition, that makes her markedly different, from any of the other "nice" politicians.

    here you go (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:27:37 PM EST
    per America blog Bob Kerrey a Clinton surrogate:

    BOB KERREY: "There is a smear campaign going on, and people acting as if he's a "Islamic Manchurian candidate" and I feel it's actually a substantial strength. He is a Christian, both he and his family, are Christians, they've chosen Christianity, but that connection to Indonesia and a billion Muslims on this earth I think is a real stergnth

    CNN's John King: "But you have to know when you're about to say something like that that some will twist it, especially in this age of the Internet and the blogs..."

    BOB KERREY: "It's something by the way I have told Barack Obama when I've met with him. It something that I've spoken about before. So this is not something that just sort of came out of the head birth out there in Iowa. I've thought about it a great deal. I've watched the blogs try to say that you can't trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa. I feel quite the opposite. I feel it's a tremendous strength whether he is in the United States Senate or whether he's in the White House, I think it's a tremendous asset for him."

    Video here

    He was repeating his "praise" of Obama for the second time, after saying something similar in Washington post.  Notice the he chose Christianity,  is he trying to say he was born a Muslim?

    As for the term madrassa, yes it is simply arabic for school, however

    1. we know what Americans associate with madrassa
    2. We don't speak Arabic in America, and shocker they don't speak Arabic in Indonesia where he went to school, so there is no reason to call it that, unless you are trying to play one what Americans associate madrassas with.

    at least twice, in this same thread. put up or shut up

    I'm sorry i thought you would have heard about this, but i guess when your source of News is HRC pres releases.

    I cant find her response but she basically said he was complimenting Obama.

    Imagine Hillarylands reaction had someone from Obama campaign said they thought it was a positive she had marital problems because so many Americans did, and the m proceeded to point them all out.

    If she has such a great record to run on, why resort to this?


    John King must have your number (none / 0) (#36)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:11:36 PM EST
    "But you have to know when you're about to say something like that that some will twist it"

    And so they have


    twist? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:27:43 PM EST
    Is that what the Hillary Campaign calls it when you copy and paste something that they said? twisting it?

    Clearly it wouldn't matter what evidence anyone showed. you aren't going to believe it.


    I am not part of the HRC campaign (3.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:35:55 PM EST
    I pointed this out in the beginning. But like you twist the praise Kerrey made into an attack, you twist my pointing out the feebleness of your your evidence into calling me a member of the HRC campaign. Which I am not. Nor will I be voting for her in the primaries.

    I understand you have Obama on a pedestal and any thing that isn't straight up support for Obama is an attack on Obama.

    Idols have feet of clay. All politicians will disappoint you. I hope you are prepared for the crash.


    what does (none / 0) (#44)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:12:18 PM EST
    this have to do with anything Obama has done?
    Since I'm so delusional to what an awful candidate he is and he is so flawed why is Hillary hitting him on his race and background?  shouldn't she have something substantive to go after?

    Idols have feet of clay. All politicians will disappoint you. I hope you are prepared for the crash.

    I love these condescending faux intellectual lines.  Spare me, i have been in politics all my life, I have realistic expectations from politicians.  I also know how to put out negative information.  

    the feebleness of your your evidence

    because nothing is more feeble than direct quotes.

    I think it's telling that rather then prove this was innocent you chose to insult me.  I have put my case out there, you can either point out what is flawed or accept it.  Instead you choose to attack me.


    I wasn't talking about what Obama had done (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 07:39:06 AM EST
    I was referring to what you had done. There is a difference between you and Obama.

    I also know how to put out negative information.  

    I am sure you think you do.

    So far you have twsited Kerrey's praise into an attack, you have twisted my questioning of your evidence and your  attempt to make me into a HRC supporter into a personal attack on you.

    Very impressive.  


    If you are going to tar a candidate with their (none / 0) (#27)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:54:43 PM EST
    supporters, then you will be abandoning Obama sooner or later.

    he is (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jgarza on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:00:00 PM EST
    speaking on her behalf, so either she can control her campaign or not, if she cant why should she be in the white house?

    You mean like Obama staffer (none / 0) (#55)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 07:33:09 AM EST
    who wanted to know when the press was going to start sniffing around President Clinton's post Presidential sex life?

    We already like them (none / 0) (#18)
    by koshembos on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 12:01:57 PM EST
    I suppose they'll be changing the movie list (none / 0) (#21)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 01:42:16 PM EST
    to remove "The Shawshank Redemption".

    A couple guys awaiting sentencing, one a gang-banger who'd done a homicide and another who'd shot a convenience store clerk in the head, managed to escape from the Union County, NJ jail.  By digging out the mortar between the cinderblocks of the cell wall and the outside wall with a piece of metal.  How'd they hide their work?  Under magazine pinups.

    After they removed the cinder blocks, they smashed them (with a valve wheel).  Then, they squeezed out through the gap onto a third floor roof, took a running jump to clear the razor wire below, landed on a railroad embankment, and got away clean.  They'd left behind a note with smiley face and a hand, flipping off the guards, and used their mattress foam to make dummies in their beds to look like they were sleeping.

    I'm not a big fan of escaping prisoners but, in this case, it looks like the guards and jail kinda had it coming by not properly running the little things in their jail.  Not making them take down the posters.  Not tossing the jail to find the missing valve wheel (a 10 lb. block of metal, that).  Not checking cells often enough.  Maybe relying a little too much on video.  Ignore the little things, and the big ones will crop up and bite.

    It's one thing - and not acceptable - to run a jail like the one where the inmate lost his leg after being subjected to subhuman, unsanitary conditions.  It's another - and equally unacceptable - to run it in a lackadaisical manner such that a 10 pound hunk of metal goes missing and no one notices or bothers to try to find it, and where prisoners are able to tunnel out over a period of weeks, undetected.

    Walls do not a prison make.. (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:02:08 PM EST
    Well, in this case, (none / 0) (#38)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:24:57 PM EST
    they surely didn't.

    But, still, after getting through the wall, they had to jump from a third-floor roof.  And, in so jumping, they had to clear a fence topped with razor wire some 15 feet from the wall.  And, per the article, they had only 6 to 8 feet to get the running start.  Cops said "no blood trail", so they must have made it.

    Took a big set (or a lot of desperation) to pull that one off.


    Next thing you will be doing is singing.. (1.00 / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:30:36 PM EST
    Robin Hood, Robin Hood, running through the glen..



    The USA Today... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Packratt on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:17:47 PM EST
    had an article today about the 25% rise in police misconduct cases since 9/11 and the fact that 96% of  confirmed police misconduct cases are not prosecuted. (here)

    I've made the correlation before at that the reduction of rights concerns tied with 9/11 and the Iraq war and emboldened local police forces that are being more aggressive. This trend will get worse since the public has become less concerned with human rights issues in the US and the typical rights defenders are distracted by Guantanamo and Iraq, leaving those who are abused in the US largely ignored.

    I've drawn my own conclusions on my blog here.

    Well, we do know you believe that (1.00 / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:07:41 PM EST
    you were beaten by the police.

    And there is no doubt that the Iraqi war has also caused flat feet, bad breath, corns, ingrowing toenails and dandruff....

    Nope, no doubt at all.



    heh (none / 0) (#53)
    by Packratt on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:43:12 PM EST
    Now, now... Jimmy.

    Save your trollocity for someone who will fall for it.

    Have a happy holiday! ;)


    No sense of humor??? (1.00 / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 09:14:12 AM EST
    No surprise. Many on the Left do not.

    Merry Christmas!!


    Clinton & Bush what a combo, what a country (none / 0) (#24)
    by Aaron on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 02:41:23 PM EST
    Hillary's Plans for Bill and George H.W.

    So now George H. W. Bush is going to become an active member of the new Clinton administration, this has got to be some kind of F-king joke.

    Yet more evidence that the Clintons plan to take us back to the 90s, and relive old home week with the Bush family.  Bill apparently looks back nostalgically on those times, and looks forward to spending more time with his buddy George.

    This country and the people of America have had enough of the Constitution subverting Bush family, I don't want them anywhere near my government or acting as my spokesman anywhere in the world, thank you!

    Christ his son is still in the White House, and we've already got another Bush to look forward to, I knew they'd find a way to remain in the White House in 2009.

    Ladies, I'm interested to know, do you support such a move by Hillary Clinton?

    Conflict With Mukasey's Edict (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 06:20:28 PM EST
    The sound of checks and balances:
    n June 2005, US District Judge Henry Kennedy ordered the government to safeguard all evidence regarding possible torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees at the US prison at the Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Navy base.

    The Justice Department has argued that the destroyed tapes were not covered by this order, as the suspected terrorists involved - Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim Al-Nashiri - were not at Guantánamo at that time.

    But Judge Kennedy has rejected the Justice Department's request that he now stay out of the matter. He has ordered administration lawyers to appear before him on Dec. 21 and explain their actions.

    CS Monitor

    I would think (1.00 / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:39:06 PM EST
    that a judge would speak and write concisely.

    Does he get to go back and explain what he thought he said??