Hillary, Rolph and Taylor

Taylor Marsh recounts the latest dust-up over Hillary being called a "harpie" after an exchange with Randall Rolph. She's also got the video.

I missed the whole story but Taylor moves on to a discussion of people who criticize bloggers for favorably writing about Hillary, accusing them of somehow being part of her presidential campaign. I've gotten quite of few of those comments myself.

Since Taylor responds so well, I'll just quote her:

Clinton may or may not win the nomination, but this is an historic time for women in this country. Whether she can pull it off and become the first female nominee for president in U.S. history remains to be seen. It's up to all of you. But each one of us needs to understand and appreciate what she's accomplishing. As of today, she gained respect in the Senate the old fashioned way, she earned it. She's raised as much money as any man in the election cycle and more than all but one. She's working every single county, while also making sure she votes on critical legislation. She's campaigning for every vote, just like she did in New York, working her hardest to convince voters she can win. She's also delivering better than the men in most debates and forums. Her campaign has also been the most disciplined and best run.

This is not a small moment in U.S. history, whether you like Clinton or not. It's pathetic that she's not getting covered as such, because for anyone who has been around going as far back as Geraldine Ferraro, it took a long time to get a woman running again on the big ticket, let alone for the top spot. It's a huge moment for us all, whether Clinton pulls it off or not.

If she does succeed it won't be because so called "progressives" aided her cause or even took the time to post the truth about what's going on out in primaryland, preferring slash and burn, while ignoring the glaring faults of candidates not coming close to her performance. Clinton and I will never agree on everything, but we do have one thing in common. We understand how hard it is for a woman to do what she's doing, especially in the boy's club where national security, military matters and foreign policy, at least in America, are seen as guy things. Ask Nancy Pelosi.

This blog covers all the candidates fairly and honestly. If you don't like the coverage, perhaps it's time you checked your own bias instead of policing mine.

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    Nothing is more contraindicated (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:04:20 PM EST
    for wingnut male-enhancement than an articulate, assertive woman who wont back down.

    They're all harpies. Every last one of 'em.

    "Harpie?" (none / 0) (#2)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 12:54:36 PM EST
    The descriptive phrase "shrill harpie" is one that I first became aware of when reading a review of Glenn Close's character in the movie "Fatal Attraction" and which came quickly to mind the first few times I heard Hillary speak, lo those many years ago.

    Anyway, as much as I have felt for quite a while now that "harpie" is an extremely apt description of her personality and speaking style, I don't see that word in any of your linked articles.

    I think her voice is a great (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:17:00 PM EST
    deal easier to listen to now than a couple years ago.  I also think she has worked w/a voice coach.  

    First off, it's spelled "Harpy" (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:26:14 PM EST
    Second off, it's an old perjorative applied solely to women.  From the wonderworld of Wikipedia (classical mythology says):
    Phineas, a king of Thrace, had the gift of prophesy. Zeus, angry that Phineas revealed too much, punished him by putting him on an island with a buffet of food which he could never eat. The Harpies always arrived and stole the food out of his hands right before he could satisfy his hunger, and befouled the remains.
    * * *
    In this form they were agents of punishment who abducted people and tortured them on their way to Tartarus. They were vicious, cruel and violent. They lived on Strophades. They were usually seen as the personifications of the destructive nature of wind.

    In their physical form, Harpies were described as basically women with wings like birds and loud shrieking voices.

    More from wiki:

    In modern culture, the term is often used to refer to a nasty or annoying woman. For example, in the 2005 movie Sahara, the character Al Giordino states, 'Wasn't there some point where he stood back and said, "Bob, don't take that job! Bob, don't marry that harpy!" You know?' In another example, Ann Coulter created a controversy when she referred to some widows of 9-11 attack victims (Jersey Girls) as "harpies."

    Funny, how the wingnuts seem to always project their own problems/self-image onto others when "arguing" (i.e., calling names)....

    You really can't make this stuff up: (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 01:35:10 PM EST
    Funny, how the wingnuts seem to always project their own problems/self-image onto others when "arguing" (i.e., calling names)....

    Reference to G. Ferraro takes me back (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 12:57:42 PM EST
    to when she was first tapped as Dem. VP candidate.  I was thrilled; my male boss, former military, current prosecutor, made a point in a meeting we were all required to attend that Ferraro was a really bad choice.  No details and this was before the stuff about her spouse became public knowledge.  

    Along those lines (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 02:05:32 PM EST
    "Bastard" seems to be used almost exclusively toward men. And almost exclusively by women toward men.

    In the mainstream (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 09, 2007 at 02:55:11 PM EST
    commentary, in which you cant unring a bell, a Faux-slob can say "harpy"; nobody ever tries to say "prick" or "as*hole", as far as Im aware.

    shrill? (none / 0) (#12)
    by cpinva on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 12:16:58 AM EST
    geez sarcastic, i've been listening to sen. clinton since her husband ran for office. she has a fine speaking voice, and always has. that she's an obviously intelligent woman, who refuses to back down to men, is problematic, for the men.

    i suspect that's where the label of "shrill" came from: just how dare she think she might be right, and they wrong?

    maybe you've been listening to anne coulter by mistake? now there's a voice i don't want to hear in a dark alley! :)

    Easy there champ, (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 02:11:04 PM EST
    you're hurting my ears.