Huckabee: No Health Care for Dirty Hippies

During the Republican debate last night, after attacking Hillary, contender Mike Huckabee had this to say:

"We don't have a health care system. We have a health care maze. And we don't have a health care crisis. We have a health crisis. Eighty percent of the $2 trillion we spend on health care in this country is spent on chronic disease. If we don't change the health of this nation by focusing on prevention, we're never going to catch up with the costs no matter what plan we have. ... And we've got a situation with 10,000 baby boomers a day signing up for Social Security, going into the Medicare system. And I just want to remind everybody when all the old hippies find out that they get free drugs, just wait until what that's going to cost out there."

What drug is he on?

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    too funny! (5.00 / 0) (#8)
    by cpinva on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:15:31 AM EST
    apparently, he hasn't noticed that "all the old hippies" became stock brokers, and can most likely well afford their drugs of choice.

    he does have one valid point though, as jim noted: prevention is more cost effective than treatment.

    Nazi v. Hippie (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:52:24 AM EST
    Everyone uses Nazi nowadays. Connecting today's reactionary Republicans to Nazis and fascists makes a lot more intellectual sense than Limbaughian structures like "feminazis".

    First, the current Republicans are classic fascists, as defined by the original definition of wanting a merger of government and business.

    Second, they manipulate the population with the same fascist tools (fatherland = homeland, us v. them, etc.).

    The current Repubs have links to old Nazis. Bush's grandpa Prescott actually managed Nazi money on Wall Street during WWII and his portfolio was seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act. The Bush family profited from the dissolution of a Nazi bank post-WWII. The reactionary Republicans like the Dulleses imported Nazis into the U.S. after WWII (Ronald Reagan was a spokesman for one of these CIA-backed programs) and the spawn of some of these Nazis are showing up in the ranks of today's Republicans (try googling: Hans von Spakovsky).

    It's curious that George H.W. Bush's use of "New World Order" was a prominent term used by Nazis in WWII.

    The current Republican Party is nothing if not the intellectual continuance of Nazism and fascism. There are a few differences. Ultra-reactionary Jewish movements are now included under the umbrella (as they had been originally in Mussolini's fascist pre-war Italy), for ex. But otherwise, we are dealing pretty much with the same thing that people in Europe faced a couple generations back.

    Expect the worst.

    Proof please. (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:36:20 PM EST
    First, the current Republicans are classic fascists, as defined by the original definition of wanting a merger of government and business.

    Second, they manipulate the population with the same fascist tools (fatherland = homeland, us v. them, etc.).

    Guess Bush must have forgot when he was pushing the immigration bill..

    As for the rest, it is just Left wing hyperbole and assorted BS.



    kovie (1.00 / 1) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:58:10 AM EST
    The Right does the hippie trick. The Left does the Nazi trick.

    Dear Mrs. Rowley,
    It has come to my attention that you have placed on your campaign website a doctored photo of me in which my military uniform has been replaced by a Nazi uniform. I demand that you immediately remove from your website that outrageous and disgusting insult to me, my family, and every man and woman who has ever worn a military uniform in defense of our country.

    Followed by the stone'em trick.

    Actor Alec Baldwin appeared on "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" and called for Republican Congressman Henry Hyde and his family to be murdered. Baldwin said: "I'm thinking to myself if we were in other countries, we would all, right now, all of us together ... would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! Wait! ... Shut up! No shut up! I'm not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death, and we would go to their homes and we'd kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families."

    As Even Lanny Davis has noticed.

    And in recent years--with the deadly combination of sanctimony and vitriol displayed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Michael Savage--I held on to the view that the left was inherently more tolerant and less hateful than the right.

    Now, in the closing days of the Lieberman primary campaign, I have reluctantly concluded that I was wrong. The far right does not have a monopoly on bigotry and hatred and sanctimony. Here are just a few examples (there are many, many more anyone with a search engine can find) of the type of thing the liberal blog sites have been posting about Joe Lieberman:

    • "Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" (by "rim," posted on Huffington Post, July 6, 2006).

    • "Joe's on the Senate floor now and he's growing a beard. He has about a weeks growth on his face. . . . I hope he dyes his beard Blood red. It would be so appropriate" (by "ctkeith," posted on Daily Kos, July 11 and 12, 2005).

    • On "Lieberman vs. Murtha": "as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about the welfare of other jews; thanks ever so much for reminding everyone of this most salient fact, so that we might better ignore all that jewish propaganda [by Lieberman] about participating in the civil rights movement of the 60s and so on" (by "tomjones," posted on Daily Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

    I don't know if the Internet has increased the national incivility, or if just provides the nasty attacks to a wider audience.

    As I noted yesterday, when Democratic leaders and bloggers say nasty things about the troops and the war, they shouldn't be surprised when MoveOn and the NYT comes up with an unacceptable attack ad. Huckabee, who has become kind of a favorite "dark horse" for his commonsense comments, joins them when he comes out with such an out of place and totally unnecessary comment.

    And as I noted, such things reminds me of my youth when southern politicians would claim black men wanted to attack white women, and then try to act shocked when the white yahoos would attack blacks.

    Time to stop folks. Like it or not we are all in the same boat together.

    Hmm, three comments from DKos... (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 11:12:24 AM EST
    ...and only one of them rises to the level of ignorant nonsense.  Were it baseball, your .333 average would have you in the Hall of Fame.  Rhetorically, it makes your opponents' point.  And we still are using "enhanced interrogation", which is, sorry to say Jimbo, something the Nazis invented.  The difficult ironies of life are still too much for you to bear.

    With vision like you display (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:17:04 AM EST
    you'll never play for the Padres. '-)

    Only two are from KOS.

    First, the quotes come from Lanny Davis, a rather well known Democrat. And he provides two more in his article, plus he noted that the examples are from the "nicer examples."

    One of the more amazing things I find is the venom displayed against Jews. I can not express the shock I experienced when, several years ago, I realized that the anti-war Left was, in my view, anti-Israel and many just plain anti-Jewish.

    as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about the welfare of other jews;

    Good men, Daniel Webster and Faust would attest, sell their souls to the Devil. Is selling your soul to a god any worse? Leiberman cannot escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover"

    define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby"

    Try this. Substitute "black" for "jews" in the first comment. Substitue "to the black lobby" in the last comment. Would you consider that acceptable? Of course not. Yet let the comments side with:

    and only one of them rises to the level of ignorant nonsense.

    I repeat. It is the far Left and far Right on both sides. Excusing the comments, as Rovie tries to do because they are not from "politicians" doesn't work. They are what they are.


    None of the people you cited (none / 0) (#29)
    by kovie on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 05:01:21 PM EST
    are elected officials running for president. I'd never heard of the Rowley web site thing so I'll have to take your word for it. If it's true, clearly it's despicable (even if the person being mocked was condoning Nazi-like tactics, which virtually all Pubs running for president clearly are).

    But Alec Baldwan, and actor?!? And Lanny Davis, DINO weasel and Dem traitor extraordinaire (for helping to defeat the ACTUAL Dem nominee running against his fascist buddy Joe, and for regularly condemning Dems in public to score points with his Pub buddies)? GMAFB!

    David Betrayus lied to congress by saying that he believing that we can
    "win" in Iraq, which only a lunatic moron would believe. There is a ZERO chance that we can "win" in Iraq and he knew it when he lied. So I don't see the problem in saying that he betrayed the troops, when he clearly did. When did we decide that it's ok to lie to congress just because you've got 4 unearned stars on your shoulder? He's an ass-kissing hack, and the troops know it.

    Nice try with the "they're all doing it" approach. Not buying it, though. When Dems accuse Pubs of being Nazis and fascists, it's because they approve of Nazi tactics--illegally spying on citizens, torture, unlawful detainment, invading sovereign countries on lies--and not just because it sounds good. And when Pubs accuse Dems of being hippies, they're just being laughably moronic. What does that even mean, other than not being in favor of unlimited war, torture, and spitting on the constitution? That's supposed to be something to mock? Only someone with the mindset of a Nazi would do that. Which these Pubs have.

    Just stop it already. You're preaching to the wrong crowd here. This is not the Rush constituency. We broker in facts and reality on this site, not febrile pantywaist chickenhawkism. We don't view what's going on as a struggle for the survival of western civilization, or the war as some sort of bulwark against the onslaught of the evil jihadi hordes. And we also see through all the lies to the real reasons for the war, which they've managed to fool you idiots about: oil and empire (which is precisely why the Nazis invaded Europe). Anyone who doesn't get that, gets nothing.

    Alec Baldwin and Lanny Davis. Hah. That's like our attacking Rush and Dennis Miller. Which we do, but not by comparing them to pols.


    In his program last night, (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dulcinea on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 05:27:44 AM EST
    Brian Williams helped the Republicans denigrate Senator Clinton by broadcasting--with no equal time for the Senator's response--three of the candidates' smears of Senator Clinton during the "Republican" debate. This one-sided presentation made no pretense of being fair. Another low in the media annals.  

    Don't be so sure (none / 0) (#3)
    by kovie on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 05:50:35 AM EST
    As I suspect that this actually helps her. She's got to be getting some sympathy points, and more than a few people probably think that there's something creepy and disturbing about a bunch of middle aged men piling on a 60 year old woman. Talk about a bunch of shrivelled old ballsacs trying to prop up their vanishing manhood by beating up on a middle-aged woman who's not even there to defend herself. How pathetic is that? What next, they all get drunk and go cow tipping together on Uncle Fred's farm (or perhaps Max Yasgur's)?

    The Left is speaking of (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:06:12 AM EST
    decorum??? Wow.

    Yes, forgive us... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 11:08:51 AM EST
    ...for not smearing triple amputee Vietnam Vets or 12 year-olds, or Jews, or gay folks, or soldiers engaged in the only thing freedom means (dissent), or, or, or...

    Is end-of-life a chronic disease? (none / 0) (#4)
    by ding7777 on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:29:26 AM EST
    Huckabee says 80% is chronic care - does that include the 25% for end-of-life care?

    It's a shame (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:18:44 AM EST
    he had to tack on the snark because he has a huge point on prevention vs fixing...

    Case in point.

    Medicare will not pay for bone density exams, which go for about $200.00. Early identification of that problem, and a program to increase bone mass, according to a Doctor friend, could dramatically reduce hip fractures in 70+ year old women. Cost of treatment for the fracture? About $10K each and it often times is followed by an early entry into a nursing home.

    You want real prevention? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Dadler on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 11:25:29 AM EST
    Go study up on psychosomatic medicine, read the history of its rise (treating WWI veterans) to its fall (the body as merely a machine with broken parts, take a pill to cure everything, etc).  Modern medicine still treats the human brain -- the most powerful and controlling organ a human being possesses -- as if it's completely separate from the "body" and it's diseases and chronic pains.

    Bone scans are often necessary, but what is more necessary is getting people to understand the power of the mind and its role in disease and pain.  As we age, for example, the fear of mortality plays a huge role in many of the conditions we simply feel ourselves helpless to treat on our own.  From chronic pain, to heart disease, to skin conditions, you name it.  The sub-conscious brain (the part that runs every vital system in your body below the level of your conscious awareness) is a complex mesh of organ and emotion that most doctors don't want to touch, nor are they equipped to.  Treating the whole patient, mind and body, is impossible in our assembly line medical paradigm.  And that must be changed or, ultimately, all the healthcare "reform" in the world will simply be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic.  We'll spend less money, which is great, but we won't be doing anything for real, lasting health.    



    Dadler (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:24:11 PM EST
    Are you ok???

    I have no quarrel with non-traditional medicine, but we're talking about doing something that might be possible.


    Again, you mss the entire point (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:00:36 AM EST
    This is NOT non-traditional medicine.  In fact, it has a LONGER tradition than the current medical paradigm.  Study up, Jim, it will help you greatly.  And if psychosomatic medicine is not "possible", then expect the epidemics of chronic pain and many diseases to continue, with a medical community doing nothing but throwing pills and baseless diagnoses at them.

    Seriously, Jim, do you not understand that this is not some kind of herbal, new age, unfounded thing?  This is where medicine was EVOLVING before it went backward with the pill paradigm and the idea we're just a bunch of machines with faulty parts.  


    Dadler (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:24:16 PM EST
    I may miss the point and so will 99.9999% of other Americans no matter how long it has been around because it truly isn't traditional.

    Again. I have no problem with it. You just aren't going to get its cures covered by Medicare, or NHC.


    Don't worry Huck..... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:19:10 AM EST
    The kind of free drugs that would get "old hippies" excited aren't covered under medicare/prescription drug benefits.  Besides, its the "old gin and tonic" crowd that is in worse health.

    Nobody is secretly hoping to get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. in order to milk the taxpayer out of free health care.  Use your brain Huck.

    'moral hazard' (none / 0) (#24)
    by Joe Bob on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 12:49:52 PM EST
    I've always thought the 'moral hazard' argument regarding escalating health care costs doesn't make a lot of sense. If doctors everywhere started performing free colonoscopies I think you would still have a hard time convincing everyone to get one. And I don't think many people would be in a hurry for a second procedure.

    I'm a reasonably healthy person, but I've never had any sort of interaction with the medical field that left me saying, "Yeah, I want another round of that."


    Exactly Joe Bob..... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 01:07:55 PM EST
    How many fully insured people are out there who wouldn't go to a doctor if you paid them?  My guess is quite a few.  I know I'm one.

    The argument holds no water.


    His point about (none / 0) (#10)
    by Pancho on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:28:58 AM EST
    the huge percentage spent on chronic conditions is well made. people need to take better care of themselves. Obesity is an epidemic in this country, because people are lazy.

    heh (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 08:58:57 AM EST
    I think we need "No Desert Served in Restaurants" law.

    Tell me about it.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:01:32 AM EST
    it gets harder and harder to find my 29" X 32"'s.  We keep getting fatter I'm gonna need to find a custom tailor.

    (Raucous laughter) Oh, God, he said WHAT? (none / 0) (#13)
    by SeeEmDee on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:16:28 AM EST
    They used to scare little kids with 'the boogeyman'. Now it's the wild-haired, bug-eyed hippie, chasing kids down the street with a porno mag in one hand and a joint in the other. Only problem is now, the hippie has to use one of those little electric motor-scooters due to age and infirmity. Yeah, right...

    IMHO, the only place where a real bona fide Hippie may yet exist is in the studio apartment he shares with the Sasquatch. I haven't seen any hippies since the early 1970's. Then again, the Washington DC area is not exactly conducive to the supposed natural environment of this (IMHO, extinct) species.

    (Bent double from laughing, tears streaming) 'Islamofascists'. 'Hippies'. Boogeymen. I suppose it's one-eyed, one-horned flying purple people eaters next. Oh jeez, this is getting to be too weird...

    It gets worse.... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:26:09 AM EST
    the one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple beasts may in fact be homosexual.

    yes, but is he wearing (none / 0) (#15)
    by cpinva on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:34:39 AM EST
    an itsy bitsy, teeny weeny, yellow polka dot bikini? :)

    If so... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Adept Havelock on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 12:02:55 PM EST
    I'm sure if that's the case Mr. Ashcroft will be along shortly to drape them.

    Hippie: Old Buzz Word for GOP (none / 0) (#16)
    by avahome on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:46:09 AM EST
    I am really not surprised that a politician is using this word...a snobbish act of desperation.  Shame on you!

    Does hippie-bashing still work? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:21:06 AM EST
    Back in the sixties I was as much a hippie as could be drawn from those stereotypes. After running from the draft for two years, and then spending another two years in the army (I could only run so much), I discovered that most of the people who still had long hair and took drugs were the guys who wanted to hold me down and cut my hair off in high school. Hippiedom had expanded to the right.

    I guess that hippies who smoke dope, grow their hair long and maybe even make crank in their bathtubs don't consider themselves hippies.

    Or maybe hippie-bashing works because the drug-induced underclass in rural America has been grafted onto the myth of the Original Hippie.

    Dunno. I just find it curious that anyone running for President would actually invoke "hippie" in 2007.

    I'm way too young (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jen M on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 10:39:34 AM EST
    to know what a hippie is.

    Ok, not too young, but they were my age group's older siblings. I thought they were silly then and I think they are silly now.  But a threat? To what? Fashion?

    I can't define "hippie" (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:20:07 AM EST
    But I know one when I see one.



    Huckabee: No Health Care for Dirty Hippies (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 01:50:24 PM EST
    Dirty Hippies?

    Well, for the record, "dirty" may well be what some may choose to infer from his comment but he certainly didn't say that, what he actually did say was "old hippies."

    J, you don't normally intentionally misrepresent like this, I guess this guy's really got your goat.

    LOL - Thanks (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:39:44 PM EST
    He's an old hippie
    And he don't know what to do
    Should he hang on to the old
    Should he grab on to the new
    He's an old hippie
    His new life is just a bust
    He ain't trying to change nobody
    He just trying real hard to adjust

    Bellamy Brothers - Old Hippie



    But (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 09:34:09 PM EST
    Just the other day, you were attacking hippies for using the term  rednecks.
    This is the second time you have told us about your "redneck relative."
    Outside of the fact that I wonder how many other groups within this country that you disrespect by calling them names clearly meant to hurt....

    Hippies are dirty to rednecks and rednecks are dirty to hippies. Both terms are perjorative in that context.

    YOu may as well be calling them dirty hippies because you are voicing a redneck position.


    Perhaps you missed (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:44:34 AM EST
    It's a shame (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 06:18:44 AM CST
    he had to tack on the snark because he has a huge point on prevention vs fixing...

    Beyond that,there is a difference in calling someone "redneck" and "hippie."

    "Redneck" refers to people who are born in a loosely defined geographic location and a certain ethnic group. Thus, like when blacks are attacked, bigots/racists are assigning untrue and hateful characteristics based on a group identity that the individual has nothing to do with. Members of both groups are attacked because of his/her group identification incurred at birth.

    "Hippy" denotes a life style choice, as since it is a choice, it is subject to criticism. I thought Huckabee's remarks in poor taste. Now that we know he didn't call them "dirty," I still find his remark politically dumb and snarky, but since he didn't use a group identity and call them "dirty," it is less snarky. Still dumb from a political view.

    If you find my reference to the song offensive, please feel free to be offended.

    From a personal view I always found "Hippies," as you might guess from my comment with the song lyrics, amusingly distasteful. A child of the poorest of the poor I have never forgotten the classic comment by some hippy, "Food is," stupid.
    Trust me. Food and all the material things we enjoy is not "Is."

    But don't confuse criticism of the freely made actions of people with the attacks of racists and bigots on population groups such as blacks and rednecks.

    They aren't the same.

    BTW - If I remember it was John Horse who I had the back and forth with. I do not consider him either a bigot or racist. Merely uninformed.

    Have a wonderful day.


    Redneck Pride (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:49:41 PM EST
    Redneck, in modern usage, predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of white people who may be found in many regions of the United States. Originally limited to the Appalachians , and later the Ozarks and Rocky Mountains, this stereotype is now widespread in northern states. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride.


    And there is this:

    Redneck World


    You ae drifting into the argument that (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:07:01 PM EST
    a white man using the N word is wrong, but a black man using it is not.

    I regard that argument as nonsense. Logic tells us that anything that propagates a hateful act is wrong on the face of it, and by blacks using the word, others claim the right to also do so.

    So it is with "redneck." And no, I do not find Jeff Foxworthy funny.


    Are YOu a (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 03:58:35 PM EST
    Self Hating redneck? Who would have guessed. Or are your apparent redneck credentials as fake as your social liberal ones.

    The term "redneck" is often misunderstood by those north of the Mason-Dixon line.  Many Yankees misunderstand this beloved term of endearment and treat the word as if it were some kind of insult. A true Southerner understands that achieving the state of Redneck is a noble pursuit.  The guiding principles of Redneck philosophy are easily misunderstood by outsiders, so let's take a closer look at the goals of those who strive for the state of Redneck.


    Here is a redneck view of Hippies:

    Hippies infections have been prevalent as early as ancient Greek times. Hippocrates is known to have described the cutaneous spreading of Hippies and scholars of Greek civilization define the Greek word "hee-paez", literally "to stink and annoy".



    The fact that you know nothing about (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 08:24:01 PM EST
    Rednecks is not surprising.

    It matches the rest of your knowledge base.


    government supplied eternal buzz (none / 0) (#27)
    by jjray on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 01:51:16 PM EST
    A bit of satire on the coming hippie medicare drug abuse epidemic.

    That's a funny link (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:43:03 PM EST
    Conspiracy Theory Central has crunched the numbers and determined it's a near mathematical certainty that two people born in Hope, Arkansas within a decade of each other are related.

    Putting ones own lights out... Euphanasia Pill (none / 0) (#28)
    by avahome on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 04:21:12 PM EST
    Then please consider letting all the
    "old hippies" have access at any local Wal*Mart pharmacy for a "euphenasia" pill.  Now see, this would be more merciful than the present system.....languish in hospice (if you can afford it).  This "lights out" pill would sure free up a bunch of social security...and free medicare up for non-old-hippie persons!

    Come on... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:41:23 PM EST
    Don't be asking the government to do what you can do for yourself....

    Here is your answer. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 07:20:13 PM EST
    See a pattern there, Nazi fanboy?

    Yes, I do.

    And the pattern clearly indicates that you don't know what it is you are talking about.

    Want some examples of those you didn't list???

    Reid declares war lost.

    Kerry calls soldiers stupid.

    Durbin calls troops Nazis (I know that one must be special to you.)

    Vets spit on by DemoLeftie demonstrators

    and on and on....

    Humorless! (none / 0) (#43)
    by Beldar on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:08:23 AM EST
    Does no one here have a sense of humor?  Did no one actually watch the Republican debate?

    Huckabee's line was a laugh line, a deliberate exaggeration. He was smiling as he said it, and he got an appreciative laugh from the crowd. Huckabee considers himself an "old hippy," and he'll quickly add to that that he used to be a "fat old hippy" before he slimmed down.

    The man may be an ordained Baptist minister, but he also plays a mean bass guitar — and has done so in public, this year, at campaign functions.


    Lest you doubt that it was a JOKE ... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Beldar on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:18:10 AM EST
    Here it is from the NYT transcript:

    And we've got a situation with 10,000 baby boomers a day signing up for Social Security, going into the Medicare system. And I just want to remind everybody when all the old hippies find out that they get free drugs, just wait until what that's going to cost out there.


    Here it is on YouTube; it's at 4:38 into this clip.

    And they say the Right-Wing Blogosphere is an echo chamber.  Wow.


    Last point (none / 0) (#45)
    by Beldar on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:20:10 AM EST
    The reference to "old hippies" was a joke. The reference to the baby boomers — and the alarming demographic impact the boom has for not only anyone's healthcare program, but also for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security — is not a joke at all. Huckabee was using a joke to illustrate an important point.

    Thanks Beldar, (none / 0) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:46:04 AM EST
    yours is the only relevant point on this whole thread, so I'm sure it will be roundly ignored...

    You have no memory. (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 10:54:03 AM EST
    Or are you trying to change the subject? From John Kerry's lips to the ears of our military men and women.

    "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.

    ABC News

    There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq.

    Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

    Link to NYTimes

    It is a small point since by the act of spitting at US Army Cpl Sparling, the attempt to spit on him was clear. However, the sweet lovely person who did so could not even do that. Thank God they weren't in the military with a weapon.

    Durbin compared them to Nazis. His speech.

    If you are a baseball player and I compare you to Mickey Mantle, that is a compliment.

    If you are a soldier and I compare you to a Nazi, that is a horrible insult.

    Durbin later made a half hearted and unacceptable apology.

    Finally, the war is not lost. Although many on the Left's commitment to loosing it has become plainer day by day.

    June 07, 2007 --
    Some opponents of the Iraq war are toying with the idea of American defeat. A number of them are simply predicting it, while others advocate measures that would make it more likely.


    And the latest figures show a sharp decrease in military and civilian deaths.

    I wait your apology.

    hahhahah Social Liberal (none / 0) (#51)
    by squeaky on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:16:39 AM EST
    While I do not "like" George Bush and his social policies, I think he is 110% correct in that we are engaged in a global war on terror.....

    Sounds amost like your take on McCarthy. Many germans felt the same about Hitler and the Jews. They were a problem, Hitler was right, the methods were a bit harsh though.

    But like a good german and perfect McCarthyite, both who had no problem with harsh methods, you have no problem with Bush's methods regarding the 'Muslim problem', do you?

    Your lack of logic continues to be (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 02:18:21 PM EST
    your defining trait. Let us examine your claims.

    I have said that McCarty was correct in his claim that their were communists in the government and Hollywood. He was. I have also stated that his tactics were wrong. They were.

    So your claim about "harsh methods" is obviously a smear and made up of whole cloth.

    I have commented several times I disagree with Bush over is social policies. I agree with his policies regarding the WOT.

    If you find that to be news I wonder if you have actually be reading the comments.

    Your attempt to tie Bush to the "muslim problem" is an obvious attempt to call him a Nazi.

    That is, of course, even more nonsensical than your usual claims. You remain a smearer with no substance to bring to the table.

    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM
    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.

    thread cleaned (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 12:21:42 PM EST
    of insults and name-calling between commenters. Please read the commment rules.