As always, I speak only for me.

When Nancy Pelosi says:

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

It captures virtually no attention from the Left blogs. Instead we get this:

"Name one hero. Just one." A woman in the audience raised her hand and said "Eli Pariser." Then everybody clapped.

MoveOn is an incredibly valuable asset on the progressive side and it's no surprise that entrenched Democrats who see them as a threat took an opportunity to take a swipe at them. . . . MoveOn stuck their necks out. And I believe it worked. People talk about it as if it was a "distraction." From what? From ending the war? As if. I hope they continue to find meaningful ways to combat the horrible trajectory this country seems to be on by continuing to fight for progressive values.

Stuck their necks out? A threat to entrenched Democrats? Puhleeeaze. They probably raised more money than they have all year. They support these entrenched Democrats. It begins to smell like a racket to me. This was Move On when it mattered:

MoveOn's Washington director, Tom Matzzie just confirmed to me that despite earlier concerns that the House Dem leadership's Iraq plan wasn't tough enough, the organization yesterday started polling its members and has decided to back the legislation . . .  "Our view is, this is a choice between Republicans who want endless war and Democrats who want a safe, responsible end to the war."

Democrats like Nancy Pelosi who will not do what needs to be done to end the Debacle? You think Move On will run an ad on Pelosi? It smells like a racket to me. Who will speak for the "irresponsible ones" who want Congress to do what it must to end the war - not fund it after a date certain? Not Move On. Not the Left blogs. Not the Left pundits. Where are the "heroes?" Who is defending and supporting the Progressive Caucus? Those folks are the heroes. Not Move On. Not the Left blogs.

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    "We are leaders"..... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:36:27 AM EST
    That's a good one.  If Pelosi and Reid are leaders, I'm the King of England.

    No kidding. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:55:54 AM EST
    And I'm Oliver Cromewell....

    ...Cromwell... (need coffee before typing) (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:56:52 AM EST
    Where are the heroes? (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Naftali on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:46:25 AM EST
    I agree: they are defending and supporting the Progressive Caucus.  

    You're saying MoveOn's done nothing to protect--or even grow--the Progressive caucus? That the left blogs have ignored and abandoned members of that caucus?

    That is (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:54:09 AM EST
    EXACTLY what I am saying.

    That's certainly true of Moveon (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by bob fertik on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:28:49 AM EST
    but not Democrats.com or Progressive Democrats of America - we work as closely with the Congressional Progressive Caucus as we can.

    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:36:22 AM EST
    I disagree with Bob on impeachment, but he has been a blogging hero on Iraq.

    Hats off to you for that Bob.


    Pelosi just sent four messages. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:19:01 AM EST
    She has absolutely no intention of listening to the American people and ending the Iraq Occupation, and never did.

    The whole campaign in 2006 running on ending it was deception and lies.

    War opposition is getting to her. She's getting nervous and afraid that activists are having an effect, and jeopardizing next year for Democrats.

    She's begging for people to ease up and give her a pass.

    For Immediate Release

    Washington, DC--Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi today sent the following letter to President Bush urging him to reject his reported plan to escalate the war in Iraq...

    The two leaders called on the President to instead heed the will of the American people

    Excuse me? Called on who to heed the will of the American people?

    Understand This, Nancy:

    3% of Americans approve of how Congress is handling the war in Iraq; 24% say the same for the President

    Keep going (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by manys on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:51:22 AM EST
    All the more reason to keep the pressure on her. As we've seen so many times before with entrenched politicians, the only kind of democracy they'll support is the one they are forced to support. Everything else is narcissism.

    Keep going? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 12:03:27 PM EST
    Oh yes! That was the point.

    LarryE put it much better than I this morning...

    If you ever doubted it...

    ...this should resolve the question once and for all: We are on our own.
    - Asked about her "greatest mistake," Pelosi said "Why don't you tell me? 'Cause I think we're doing just great." Remember when Georgie stumbled over a similar question and couldn't recall any mistakes? It seems Our Only President is not the only one so afflicted.

    George W. Pelosi (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by robrecht on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 12:23:51 PM EST
    Maybe the 89 (?) members of the Out of Iraq Caucus should write a lettter to Nancy Pelosi rather than Bush, telling her what they think leadership and responsible defunding is.

    Ah yes. It worked so well in Connecticut. (1.00 / 2) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:14:45 AM EST
    That's why it's heartening to hear that MoveOn is polling its members regarding heavily funding primary challenges.

    It did workin Connecticut (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:24:24 AM EST
    Lieberman is no longer a Foax Dem, but an Indy Neocon.

    That mettered. A lot.

    On a related point, funding primary challenges is a great thing. But fighting to end the war now is a greater thing.


    BTD (1.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 02:06:11 PM EST
    Hmmm, yes. It created the possibility of changing the majority from Demo to Repub.

    Attacking a Demo that has been around for years and could be re-elected even if he didn't show up is nuts.


    ah, principles are nuts (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Dadler on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:07:50 PM EST

    Lieberman is/was no more a Democrat than East Germany was really the "German Democratic Republic", which it called itself.


    Huh?? (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 09:17:09 AM EST
    And neither was Scoop Jackson? LBJ? FDR? JFK?... and the list could go on....

    I mean, who knew??

    Just think. All of those voters fooled...


    A feast of unreality (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by koshembos on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:22:20 AM EST
    This post and many others all over the Netroots universe imply, incorrectly in my opinion, that the Dems have the votes to stop the war. Mind you, I am not objecting to the criticism of Pelosi and Reid, which is richly deserved. Still we have about 1/3 of the Senate and about 1/3 of the House that will vote to stop the Iraqi calamity.

    "Our view is, this is a choice between Republicans who want endless war and Democrats who want a safe, responsible end to the war."

    This the best we can do. Even those of us, me included, who want "cut and run" ASAP must agree that "safe" cut and run is the best we are going to get.

    Long live "cut and run."

    NO votes are all that is needed. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:25:26 AM EST
    Let's tell Pelosi to take (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by bob fertik on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:30:57 AM EST
    Iraq War Funding off the table - just like she did with Impeachment and an Iraq War Surtax.

    Just like she did with her political future? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:33:13 AM EST
    moveon is changing tactics... (none / 0) (#15)
    by selise on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:09:40 AM EST
    BTD - i've got a couple of disagreements with your post.

    1) moveon has changed tactics.

    in the spring i cancelled my membership when moveon did their push-poll and whipped the progressive representatives to get them to vote against their wishes. i was just as pissed as you were.

    but with moveon's petraeus ad (which i thought was great) and with their polling of members on their desires to put lots of money into primary challenges of dems - i've rejoined. moveon won't get money and support unless it does what it's members want. that didn't happen this spring, but it's happening now.

    1. did you read the discussion of pelosi's interview (and the protests at her house)  in the comments of jane's post you linked to? please take a look at what is being said.

    2. you might want to also mention digby and the many dkos diaries, including the currently top recommended diary.

    "In the comments" (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:29:15 AM EST
    "in the diaries."

    You make my point.

    BTE, when will Move On challenge the Dem EStablishment, the Leadership?

    If the change in tactics amounts to running counterproductive stupid ads, then include me out. That makes them heroes?



    bottom up or top down? (none / 0) (#20)
    by selise on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 01:04:38 PM EST
    what i think you describe you're looking for sounds top down to me (the moveon leaders, the front page bloggers).

    what i see happening is pressure from the bottom building. the changes now being seen have been percolating upwards. comments have been way ahead of front pagers in critisism of congressional dem leadership. surely you've noticed the change over the last 2 months in the willingness of big name bloggers to do the same?

    we're just going to have to disagree about moveon's ad - but certainly we can agree that their interest in spending big money on primary challenges to some congressional democrats is a move in the right direction?

    things are moving... just too damn slow for every person who's life is affected by our policies... but at least there's now movement.


    Yep (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 01:29:49 PM EST
    I consider my criticism bottom up.

    Where does that leave the rest of us? (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 04:57:40 PM EST
    Chopped liver?

    Primary the BushDogs! (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by tnthorpe on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    Ending the war isn't enough, though it's necessary, if we continue to militarize everthing from our domestic politics to space. Ending the war ought to be a first step in what MLK Jr. called a "true revolution of values," which now begins in trying to end the war, but doesn't end there. From "A Call to Conscience"
    "A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, 'This way of settling differences is not just.' This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, if injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense that on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."
    Demand the impossible and let the Pelosi/Reids know they're on notice.



    LOL (1.00 / 2) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 09:20:18 AM EST
    "A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, 'This way of settling differences is not just.'

    Got any sure fire ways to make that work?

    I mean besides surrendering and doing what the radical Moslem terrorists want???


    Got any idea what to do with yourself (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Edger on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 10:07:09 AM EST
    besides troll?

    You don't really believe anyone, including yourself, is stupid enough to think that your question is an honest one.

    Do you?


    ROFLMAO (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by tnthorpe on Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 06:16:32 PM EST
    Yeah, that Martin Luther King Jr., what a nutcase.

    In case you haven't noticed, and everything you post suggests you don't notice much beyond the far right blogosphere,


    Oh, and since you didn't ask, you fight terrorism with counter-terrorism. You don't fight it by invading unconnected countries with giant oil reserves based on some reactionary impulse to dominate the globe.

    but, yeah, charge hard after MLK, Jr., hate peace, lie about Gore; it's the conservative thing to do.


    more... (none / 0) (#26)
    by selise on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 08:17:10 PM EST
    Why Congress? (none / 0) (#24)
    by diogenes on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 03:08:11 PM EST
    Heck, the Dems don't even have a presidential candidate who will unequivocably defund the war (Dodd isn't viable, sorry).  
    Run on defunding the war on January 21, 2009 as the nationwide platform from the top of the ticket on down, as the new contract with America.

    and you speak for Jane austen, too (none / 0) (#28)
    by Miss Devore on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 09:34:56 PM EST
    can I have the cliff notes?