Rudy Giuliani: the Authoritarian Narcissist

Cintra Wilson in Salon has a four page article that should be read by anyone either contemplating supporting Rudy Giuliani or not familiar with his pre-9/11 personality. The tag line sums it up:

9/11 gave America amnesia about the real Rudy Giuliani. He's an authoritarian narcissist -- and we don't need another one of those in the White House.

I couldn't agree more. Here's a sample:

On 9/11, all Americans were frightened children, and in a moment of mythic personal heroism, Mayor Giuliani filled the gaping leadership void. The president looked like a petrified chimp; Cheney was spirited to an underground bunker. Only Giuliani could pull himself together sufficiently to get on TV in the midst of the wreckage and show America that a grown-up was still breathing. On that terrible day our reptile brains looked at Rudy Giuliani and said, "We're OK now. Daddy's home."

And we forgot, some for a moment, some permanently, that Daddy was psycho.

One more, and then just go read the whole thing:

The attack on the twin towers blew a hole in downtown Manhattan and in our collective memory. Osama bin Laden and company did a better P.R. job for Giuliani than spin ghouls Hill & Knowlton ever did for Dick Nixon. He made everyone but the most grouchy and resentful New Yorkers forget that before planes crashed into the World Trade Center, Rudy was a hyper-authoritarian narcissist with a lust for overkill verging on the sociopathic.

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    Grouchy & Resenful (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 10:53:36 PM EST
    He made everyone but the most grouchy and resentful New Yorkers forget that before planes crashed into the World Trade Center, Rudy was a hyper-authoritarian narcissist with a lust for overkill verging on the sociopathic.

    Gee, I never thought of myself that way.

    At least the rest of those NYers were able to wipe the stardust from their eyes when Rudy announced that he was going to suspend elections because NY needed him. I was really worried for a while that the slime bag was going to pull that one off.

    The amnesia wore off just in time.

    "Pope with a gun" (none / 0) (#2)
    by aw on Tue Dec 05, 2006 at 11:25:30 PM EST
    Once he treats America like he treated New York and really gets out of hand with it, forget about it."

    Authoritarian Narcissist (none / 0) (#3)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:36:38 AM EST
    Pretty well sums him up.

    Rudy Thuggiani (none / 0) (#4)
    by scribe on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 12:28:33 PM EST
    A former colleague saw Thuggy closeup and in person at the funeral of a prominent Repug a few years ago, during Thuggy's prostate cancer treatment.  Colleague's remark:  "he looked like hell."

    I keep hoping it'll come back....

    And, for good measure, Thuggy's got a worthless son.  You remember him - he singlehandedly disrupted Dad's first inauguration and raised hell periodically thereafter.  He ultimately skated through a bunch of private schools and is working his way up to being a golf pro.  The papers noted a while back the kid's pretty good.  He's been getting a lot of practice.  He's 24 or 25 and, needless to say, never even thought about joining the military.  

    Stunned (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 07:09:07 PM EST
    I keep hoping it'll come back...

    scribe, have you ever seen anyone die of prostate cancer?

    You know, there was a time when such a remark would have shocked me. But having been aroind the Left for a few years and reading their screeches and screams, I have come to believe that much of it is not just hyperbole.

    I truly hope that your comment is not meant for a variety reasons. Among them the fact that such a wish is so over the top that it allows the Right to sieze it and play it back, further poisoning the well of contempory politics, preventing any common ground being found and dooming any effort towards solving our many problems.

    But the most horrible thing about your wish for a terrible and painful death on your fellow American and political opponent is your continual crying over the treatment and rights of those enemies who daily threaten our existence and pray to destroy us and our culture.

    scribe, if you know anything at all you know that in the world the terrorists are working for your comment about one of their political leaders would insure that you died a most slow and painful death.

    scribe, we all argue, posture, make points.

    But I sincerely ask that you think on your comments and what such attitudes bring.


    cancer (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by scribe on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 03:24:04 PM EST
    Jim - I've seen - i.e., been at the bedisdes of - two good friends die of cancer, the second two weeks ago.  Neither was pretty - one died of lung cancer, flopping through his last minutes like the proverbial fish out of water as his lungs filled.  The more recent other, breast cancer, blessedly passed without much struggle and was more or less incoherent her last few days.

    It's rough.  Perhaps I'm being a little bit generous by "wishing" illness to return to Thuggiani, or by not seeking to have it banished from his otherwise-miserable life.  When I say I may be "being a little bit generous", I mean that literally.  Saying that means Thuggiani has, over the last 25 years, managed to conduct himself so egregiously as to distract me from my self-discipline of not wishing illness on others and not being affected by the injustice, chicanery and deceit they perpetrate, at least to the point I may find myself giving in to the lower temptation to derive some satisfaction from his illness.  It took a lot, but he's dealt out a lot over the last 25 years.  He got the better of me - and that means he's taken my time and energy - making me "generous" for giving it away without hope of recompense.

    The article only glanced over the daily drumbeat of his injustices and dictatorial conduct.  It said nothing of his making his Rethug bones as Reagan's hatchet man, breaking PATCO in 1981 and ushering in all the anti-union, anti-worker changes of the last 25 years.  That strike was the turning point - and Thuggiani was the fulcrum on which it turned, and the man driving the first screw.  Every one of today's unfair labor practices derives from the precedents set in that strike - replacement workers, followed by Bankruptcy abuse, followed by no-overtime - you name it.  The article said nothing about the fact that, while all (or nearly all) the people working at (and being sickened during) the cleanup at Ground Zero were unionized - construction workers, cops, firefighters, you name it - Thuggiani never once - once - said one favorable word about the unions and their response.  

    What should mystify me is that the same union members (not their leadership) think Thuggiani's a great guy and likely would vote for him.  It doesn't because those union members are the Northeastern analog to the rebel-flag-in-pickup-truck-with-gunrack-NASCAR southerners Howard Dean spoke of reaching out to - they vote against their own economic and social interest because they perceive "tough" leaders as being better for them.  Makes no sense, but there it is.

    And the article never touched on Thuggiani's cousin-wife, either.  

    Or how he regularly coerces free radio air time (with a swooning, more-than-friendly interviewer) during the 4th or 5th innings of Yankee game radio broadcasts by merely showing up in the press box.  Lord knows whether he pays for his seats next to the dugout - each of those go for $300 advance/$400 day of game this coming year.

    So, do I care?  No.  All I want to see, is Thuggiani defeated so thoroughly he never shows his Chairman Mao bald head again.


    Aren't (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:10:40 PM EST
    zombies already dead?

    You are not alone (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 02:04:37 PM EST
    Guiliani caused so much needless suffering on the underclass that many wish him a wake up call. Anything to show him that he is mortal and not a demi-god. The pain and suffering of cancer did not show him a bit of humility, perhaps a second round would. I do not think your comment is one bit out of line.

    Nasty Man.


    He is nothing more than... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 07:22:19 PM EST
    just one more opportunistic vulture that is still trying to feast on the corpses of 9/11. Again, I can't wait til he gets McCained in the Southern primaries. 2008 is certain to be fun to watch because of what he's got coming to him.

    missed this (1.00 / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:09:58 PM EST
    I left this out.

    Ernesto, reasonable people do not wish for their political opponent to die from cancer.

    That is such an outrageous rant that it is almost unbelieveable.


    Ernesto (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:06:03 PM EST
    Keep talking. You can, if you try hard, give your opponents even more reasons to beat the Demos in '08.

    You gotta FEEL for they guy... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:24:08 PM EST
    He was a busy guy. Busy saving his own ass to make sure people about to die were warned and evacuated.

    Giuliani warned in advance (Video)

    Giuliani tells ABC news he had warning of collapse
    Rudolph Giuliani Got Warning WTC Towers Were Going To Collapse.

    We first reported this 15 months ago but we have now received the video where then Mayor of New York Rudolph Giuliani admits to Peter Jennings that he got a warning that the South Tower was about to collapse. Why is this important?

    No steel framed building had ever collapsed from fire damage before in history. The event was unprecedented. To know the building was about to collapse would require inside knowledge of 'the 9/11 script' and how it was supposed to unfold on that fateful day. Remember, right before the building collapsed, firefighters reported minimal fires which they could quickly and easily extinguish.

    Why didn't the brave firemen and rescue workers who were rushing into the building get the same warning? Even if the warning was only only communicated minutes before the collapse, countless lives could have been saved. Consider the amount of people on the lower floors, in the lobby and immediately outside that could have rushed to safety in those few minutes. Giuliani was operating out of Building 7 which he evacuated before that too was 'pulled' by means of demolition as Larry Silverstein admitted in a September 2002 PBS documentary.

    There is a slight audio blip where the word 'collapse' cuts off, but the full quote is as follows:""We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse."

    edger (1.00 / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 09:47:35 PM EST
    To know the building was about to collapse would require inside knowledge of 'the 9/11 script' and how it was supposed to unfold on that fateful day.

    I take it from your quote that you believe 9/11 was scripted... the Repubs knew, etc.

    And people take you serious???

    Wow. The Left is in worse shape than I thought..

    How about the lunar landing? Which sound stage was that shot on???

    BTW - This link will help you better understand how the government does all this...

    Excuse me. I am laughing to hard too continue. Later... May I call you paranoid edger?? I mean all your positions are now explained. Really...
    The evileeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Bush did it all!!!!!

    It's our precious bodily fluids, Mama! They want our precious bodily fluids!!! Look! See that man with a hump on his back!!!!


    Having fun, Jim?? Heh! (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:14:36 AM EST
    You seem pretty animated.

    My cat gets that way too, when I toss him a toy to bat around. It keeps him occupied, and he loves it when I pay attention to him. It makes him feel like he's human I guess, since he hasn't got a clue what the news on the video screen means either. Once in a while I scratch him behind the ears.  ;-)


    Actually Jim. I have to apologize. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 06:30:16 AM EST
    I lied to you. I'm sorry.

    My cat is female. Toys don't excite her much, probably because she's smarter than most humans. Being female, she's independent and doesn't crave attention. She's very capable and able to take care of herself, you know?


    My cat (none / 0) (#20)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:57:55 AM EST
    is climbing on my shouler right now demanding attention.  Hold me!  Carry me!

    Should be (none / 0) (#21)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:59:50 AM EST
    Shoulder.  That's what happens when she does that.

    Mine doesn't do that (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:07:11 PM EST
    She'll put up with being picked up for a minute or so when I get home from work, but never climbs on me. And she announces herself whenever she comes in (I always leave a window open).

    Other than that - she is completely self contained and confidant. I call her "Magic" cuz she is.


    luckily (none / 0) (#23)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:42:28 PM EST
    my cat has periods like that; otherwise, she would drive me nuts.  I have the neediest, schmooziest cat on earth, I think.  I was outside with her on my shoulder the other day and my neighbor went to pet her and she meowed at her and turned her head into my neck like a bashful baby.  Typical.

    Magic (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 12:47:43 PM EST
    the other day was beside my computer looking right at me like she was wondering what possible use I was to her. So I asked her if she really needed a brainless guy with a big gun to run the world for her.

    She looked at me with utter contempt in her eyes, turned her back on me in dismissal, and walked away. Like I said, she's smarter than most humans.

    I don't think Jim would like her. ;-)


    Edger.... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 02:37:37 PM EST
    I think she needs you to eat....the day you stop putting food out is the day Magic don't come back.  Or so I've heard about cats.

    That's why I like dogs...loyal to a fault. They will literally stick with you through starvation.


    Kdog (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 02:45:24 PM EST
    It's one of those 'she's not really my cat - I'm her human' situations. She walked in one rainy night about six months ago and took over. She uses me to keep the food and water bowls full 24/7 and to keep the heat turned up so the window can stay open.

    She now owns me, you know? But it's cool. Sh'e fun to have around and she'll never be hungry as long as she is. ;-)


    I love both (none / 0) (#28)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 02:48:31 PM EST
    My lizard, on the other hand, well, obviously I don't wish him harm, but I would like to reclaim the space the tank is taking up.  I feel guilty saying that, but I didn't think he would live so long.  He's pushing 11.

    Depending on the size (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 02:55:16 PM EST
    some lizards can live for decades, apparently.

    Finally back OT (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by squeaky on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 03:05:37 PM EST
    I was going to say something about the long diversion from the topic at hand. Nice to see that we are back on topic discussing the pitfalls of a reptile who has lived longer than hoped for.              

    The lizards name (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 03:07:58 PM EST
    is Rudy???

    Damn (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 03:20:59 PM EST
    no, it's Ted!

    Collapes (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:29:55 PM EST
    Guiliani did not like the Firemen. He loved the police who considered themselves his army.  

    I think he (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 08:37:56 PM EST
    probably loved what the police were doing for him a lot more than he loved the police. He only loves himself.

    The Left (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:47:01 AM EST
    A phony full of the most highly selective outrage,  who claims that there hasnt been enough "bombing   and destruction of infrastructure"in Iraq (hey, they're not rich and white after all), goes into a   snit about "the Lefts" insensitivity towards Rudy's health. It truely is to laugh.

    Well (none / 0) (#19)
    by aw on Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 11:54:40 AM EST
    he did admit to having base values