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Should Saddam Have Been Hanged?

Joel Layden of the Israel News Agency:

Many news media are now reporting on the fine details of what is a hanging. Providing minute by minute accounts of what would happen if the rope was too short or too long. Are we as a civilized Western world any different from the crowds that gathered to watch the French Guillotine at work or the hangman's noose in the old US West?

What distinguishes us from the Islamic terrorists that we fight is that we cherish life.
Yes, in war we can be more barbaric using pyschops as good if not better than the enemy by hanging blood dripping heads on wooden sticks. But do we need now to place Saddam's head on a wooden stick? Will video of his hanging decrease conflict or increase it in the Middle-East?

....Let Saddam die of a heart attack, AIDS, a stroke or other "natural causes" in jail. It worked for Yasser Arafat, it can work for Saddam Hussein.

America represents life. So does Israel. It's time for us to illustrate what kind of society we live in. What our values are. Yes, fight for freedom, but remember we are Christians and Jews. We are not the people who beheaded Daniel Pearl and celebrated.

Riverbend at Baghdad Burning:

Why make things worse by insisting on Saddam's execution now? Who gains if they hang Saddam? Iran, naturally, but who else? There is a real fear that this execution will be the final blow that will shatter Iraq. Some Sunni and Shia tribes have threatened to arm their members against the Americans if Saddam is executed. Iraqis in general are watching closely to see what happens next, and quietly preparing for the worst.

This is because now, Saddam no longer represents himself or his regime. Through the constant insistence of American war propaganda, Saddam is now representative of all Sunni Arabs (never mind most of his government were Shia). The Americans, through their speeches and news articles and Iraqi Puppets, have made it very clear that they consider him to personify Sunni Arab resistance to the occupation. Basically, with this execution, what the Americans are saying is "Look- Sunni Arabs- this is your man, we all know this. We're hanging him- he symbolizes you." And make no mistake about it, this trial and verdict and execution are 100% American. Some of the actors were Iraqi enough, but the production, direction and montage was pure Hollywood (though low-budget, if you ask me).

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    Disgust (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by aahpat on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 09:47:24 PM EST
    Nothing less.

    I am disgusted that this judicial assassination was carried out in the name of America. In my name.

    This is an eye for an eye that promises only more blind patriotic vengeance for years to come.

    Blind patriots are the largest group of disabled veterans in America. Ably represented by George W. Bush.

    Thanks for the insult (1.00 / 3) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:30:22 AM EST
    Blind patriots are the largest group of disabled veterans in America. Ably represented by George W. Bush.

    For all of us that served to keep you free, thanks for the insult..

    And please imagine a hand with four fingers folded down.....

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    BLINDED patriots (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 10:36:25 PM EST
    There was a higher calling.

    And Saddam Hussein was simply in the way.

    In the way of Khalid al-Turki of Saudi Arabia, and of James A. Baker and the CFR.

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    an eye-for-an-eye (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by aahpat on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 09:56:59 PM EST
    Are we blind yet?

    No (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 10:26:17 PM EST
    But I oppose the death penalty as a matter of principle.

    Of course!!! (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:44:45 AM EST
    How else could Bush keep his wot fantasy rockin' the tiny little sheep brains of his wind up followers without creating more terrists, anyway? I mean, it's not like he's got anything else to offer. I guess they can at least not feel insecure and threatened by his intellect.

    Hell... why not dig him up and hang him again same time next year?

    Baathists: 'Grave consequences' if Hussein's hanged

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Baath Party, the political movement that ruled Iraq during the Saddam Hussein era, is warning there will be "grave consequences" if former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein is executed.

    Saying it would hold the United States responsible, a message appeared on albasrah.net Tuesday that read: "The Baath and the resistance are determined to retaliate in all ways and all places that hurt America and its interests if it commits this crime."

    If the execution is carried out, the largely Sunni-Arab Baathists said they also will retaliate against members of the Iraqi High Tribunal. (Watch Hussein's letter assail "merciless tyrants" Video)

    And they vowed a complete shut-down of peace negotiations between the Baathists and coalition forces.

    The Baathists have been operating as part of the insurgency against the U.S. and its allies since Hussein's regime fell in 2003.



    The Baath viewpoint... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 12:40:37 PM EST
    From the Baath Party of Iraq:

    The execution of the president:

    The Iraqi Higher Criminal Court that passed a death sentence on President Saddam Hussein is a farce. Not only is it grounded on illegality (occupying powers under international law are expressly prohibited from changing the judicial structures of occupied states[iii]); the trial itself stands distinguished in legal history by its sheer number of due process and international standard of fairness violations.[iv]

    These violations have included, often with systematic effect: American imposed censorship of court proceedings; withholding evidence from the defence; forcible ejection from court of defence lawyers and the placing of defence lawyers under house arrest; denial of defence counsel access to defendants; blatant lack of impartiality of court judges; overt political interference in the selection of court officials and the prejudicing of the trial and trial outcome by statements made by invested political figures -- including George W Bush -- affirming progress towards, or demanding, execution; the replacement of four of the five originally selected court judges; lack of equality of arms between the prosecution and the defence; refusals to accept key defence submissions, especially motions challenging the competence and legality of the court; violations of key fair trial principles and standards and international humanitarian law[v]; violation of Iraqi law[vi]; intimidation of witnesses; failure to ensure the security of the defence leading to the murder of three defence lawyers.

    Created by Paul Bremer, the Iraqi Higher Criminal Court was never anything but a US-orchestrated puppet court.[vii] The imposition of a death sentence after an unfair trial stands in direct violation of international law.[viii]

    The truth about this court

    From day one, this court has been nothing but a smokescreen: an attempt to establish a veneer of legality to an illegal invasion of a sovereign state. From day one, the final conclusion -- the illegal execution of Iraq's lawful president -- has been a fait accompli. The only question has been when.

    As 2006 ends, the United States is desperate. Defeated militarily on the ground, long defeated politically and morally, the occupation is preparing to open the year 2007 with a barrage of atrocities, including the open murder of Iraq's lawful president. This, like all other US-authored atrocities in Iraq, will not allow the US and its criminal partners to impose on Iraq a future that is contrary to the fundamental interests of the Iraqi people.

    The Political Program of the Baath Party

    And he is doomed to repeat it (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Sailor on Sun Dec 31, 2006 at 02:53:48 PM EST
    history shows time and again this thing happening
    Yes, history has shown time and time again that we have propped up brutal dictators, given them arms, and they or a regime that succeeded them have turned them on us. Iran, afghanistan, iraq are just the most recent 3.

    Stop propping up dictatorships.
    Stop selling them arms.
    Lead by example and not fear.

    Asking this question (1.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 06:12:42 AM EST
    here on this site is like asking Paula Deene if you use butter in cooking.  It's like rhetorical.  

    Okay, I'll play (1.00 / 3) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:16:33 AM EST
    Yes. Without doubt. Indeed. Months and months ago.

    He was a proven stone cold killer, and the head of a political party that still has an active cadre of followers stirring up trouble and doing their own killing.

    With him gone they may continue, they may not.

    But with him alive there is no doubt they would.

    Things can get worse, too ... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by syinco on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 11:03:13 AM EST
    Jim, what your statements conveniently fail to acknowledge is that things could get worse as a result of Saddam's death, as could they have improved without his execution (and your logical argument does in fact lead to these conclusions).

    To just assume that things can only get better seems akin to the folly of thought that all Bush had to do was overthrow Saddam and our troubles with Iraq are basically over ...

    And even if things are to improve, I don't buy that the end would then have justified the means.

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    Perhaps you didn't read... (1.00 / 2) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 04:40:41 PM EST
    With him gone they may continue, they may not.

    But with him alive there is no doubt they would.



    And even if things are to improve, I don't buy that the end would then have justified the means.

    Okay. At least we understand your position.


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    A great big (none / 0) (#4)
    by aahpat on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 10:05:12 PM EST
    TO: Fredo on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 10:00:57 PM EST

    Yawn.

    Is turn about fair play? (none / 0) (#6)
    by aahpat on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 10:32:14 PM EST
    American leaders, especially all of the Democrats and Republicans in congress who voted for the Iraq invasion, are responsible for going there destroying their country and assassinating their leaders, (after an extensive kangaroo court proceeding). What morally is left to stop them from coming here and trying to upstage bin Laden?

    The motivation of outdoing bin Laden is, I believe, the only reason that America has not yet had another 9/11.

    morally speaking (1.00 / 3) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:24:36 AM EST
    What morally is left to stop them from coming here and trying to upstage bin Laden

    What kept them from advising the US that 9/11 was going to happen? I mean, speaking of morals. That could have prevented the loss of many lives across many nations.

    BTW - Can you tell me what this means?

    The motivation of outdoing bin Laden is, I believe, the only reason that America has not yet had another 9/11.



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    Is turn about fair play? (1.00 / 3) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 09:36:51 AM EST
    You should not think of war in which people and country get "turn about in the name of "fair play."

    War is not fair, and it is not a game. Real people die real violent deaths. The losers who live see their culture destroyed and the winner's beliefs installed in place.

    Consider living under Shari law. Homosexuals and Lesbians executed. Women forbidden to attemd schools.. No religion except Islam allowed. No ABSCENCE from reglion. Convert or die.

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    Too bad George Bush or his cheerleaders (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 10:35:36 AM EST
    didn't understand this

    You should not think of war in which people and country get "turn about in the name of "fair play."
    War is not fair, and it is not a game. Real people die real violent deaths. The losers who live see their culture destroyed and the winner's beliefs installed in place.

    when they embarked upon the Bush-McCain Fiasco known as Iraq without a plan for occupation. "The evil that men do lives after them" and there is very little good to be interred with Bush's bones.



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    For once the truth is spoken by PPJ: (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Bill Arnett on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 01:34:04 PM EST
    Consider living under Shari law. Homosexuals and Lesbians executed. Women forbidden to attemd school