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Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen

Enron's Ken Lay has died of a heart attack at his home in Aspen.

Pitkin County sheriff's deputies and an ambulance were dispatched to the Lay vacation home in Old Snowmass, Colorado, early Wednesday morning and transported him to Aspen Valley Hospital. He was pronounced dead there shortly after 3 a.m. Mountain time (0900 GMT).

"A coroner's autopsy is pending. There will be no further information or press release from this office until autopsy results are available later this week," the county said in a statement.

More details here. The family issued a short statement.

Family spokeswoman Kelly L. Kimberly issued a statement saying, "Ken Lay passed away early this morning in Aspen. The Lays have a very large family with whom they need to communicate. And out of respect for the family, we will release further details at a later time."

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  • Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#1)
    by TomStewart on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 09:49:41 AM EST
    Hmmmm. Who will be the first to ask if he was getting ready to talk?

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#2)
    by Slado on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:24:26 AM EST
    Talk about what?

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:26:12 AM EST
    Lay was 64 years old. I have had friends and acquaintances have heart attacks at much younger ages. One died suddenly last year of a massive heart attack in his car on the way home from work. He was 42. Another close friend had a mild attack just last thursday at the age of 55. Lay has led a very stressful life (sic), and in his income range likely enjoyed a diet of foods that are not the healthiest. I would assume that statistically his chances of not having a heart attack were not great. My condolences to his his family.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#4)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:35:01 AM EST
    Alright then, let's get some coffee.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:52:05 AM EST
    Saw my corrupt, con-man former second stepfather at a funeral a few weeks ago. Hadn't seen him for more fifteen years. Now he's just a doddering old man. Something familiar in Lay's passing brought this to mind. They even look alike in certain ways. Let's just hope his wife doesn't get too much of his ill-gotten gains. Though I ain't holdin' out hope. Life is such a sick stomach. Always churning. And none of it will help all the folks bankrupted by the crooks like Lay and Skilling and MANY more out there.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:50:30 AM EST
    I uh, would really like independent confirmation apart from the coroner in the county where he vacations owns lots of property. Fingerprints, DNA analysis, iris, retinal analysis. Some of the confirmation I want is to verify the dead body is Ken Lay. Some of the confirmation I want is to ensure that Ken Lay's body, if that is who it is, is desecrated.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:05:40 PM EST
    I'm with you on this one JPF. Someone about to spend the rest of his life in jail would pay anything for a way out. He is not the most honest guy around and has many friends in very high places. My guess is that if he had the wherewithal to arrange a permanent vacation we will never know what really happened, ever.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:15:38 PM EST
    How did he escape? He died.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:21:52 PM EST
    It is hard to offer condolences considering the thousands of people financially crippled by his actions, but his family did nothing wrong. But to wish him dead and/or be happy about it demonstrates the heart of a Rumsfeld. So my condolences to his family on their loss............

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#11)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:30:17 PM EST
    here's a pretty nasty headline Ken Lay's last swindle (from a financial commentary)

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:38:18 PM EST
    How did he escape? He died.
    Well in the movie version he had a double (enhanced with plastic surgery) who had a terminal illness. Lay paid the man's family $10 million to take the non-traceable heart attack drug. He is deep under the mountain in a secret bunker. After the heat dies down he will be off to Switzerland. He gets it in the end in a ski lift accident while trying to hide from Arnie who is hot on his trail. OK, the script does still need work.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#13)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:39:07 PM EST
    TL readers who are not criminal defense lawyers may be interested to learn that when a defendant in a federal criminal case dies prior to sentencing, the entire prosecution process "abates" -- all the way back to the beginning. The indictment will be dismissed; Lay will be deemed to have died without a conviction and without a criminal record. In the couple of instances over my 30 year career where the defendant died between verdict and sentencing, this rule has been of some comfort to the defendant's family. (I should mention that the abatement will also make it more difficult for victims to sue (his estate, now, of course), since they will not be able to rely on the convictions for collateral estoppel, that is, as conclusively determining his culpable involvement in the frauds at Enron.)

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#14)
    by Andreas on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:51:38 PM EST
    From a WSWS-article published on 29 May 2006:
    It is by no means assured that the two executives will spend significant time in prison, though commentators have generally agreed that the legal bases for their appeals are very limited. But, as one juror suggested, money has a way of solving such problems. There are additional factors at work--in particular, the close political connections that Lay and Skilling have with the political establishment in general and the Bush administration in particular. Lay, after all, was for a long time one of Bush's most important political supporters. He is certainly in possession of important information that could be damaging to powerful people. (For example, what exactly was discussed during Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings, in which Enron took part?).
    The Enron verdicts: corruption and American capitalism By Joe Kay, 29 May 2006

    Please note that I am not suggesting anything here.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:37:58 PM EST
    Don't you folks see? Rove had the whole thing set up.... He's lost his mind completely now, can't remember who his enemies are or if he has any friends, and is now putting out stories that wingnuts pick up on and use to make themselves look foolish.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:38:02 PM EST
    Peter G, that is in fact a fascinating detail, so thank you. And in fact, that is a real way that he and his family did escape. I don't know if there were any civil cases against him, (There was at one point) but there should have been some way to reclaim the millions that he swindled others out of (including employees of pensions and shareholders of value). I am really sick of white collar criminals enriching their families for generations and "escaping" by having Daddy or Mommy go to jail for 20 years. Though I try to follow the rules, let me tell you, I might definitely trade 20 years of executive jail camp "hard" time if I could get a few million in my daughter's trust funds. So while I think we are innocent until proven guilty, and while I think that defense attorneys have a very noble and valid profession, I think that once the SOB is convicted, punishments could be made to fit the crime a whole lot better, and part of that is getting all of the swindled assets back AND more and making it truly the case that crime does not pay.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#17)
    by barbarajmay on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:38:20 PM EST
    Wow, I never thought of him faking his own death. I just presumed he stuck a gun in his mouth and blew out the back of his head. When you are powerful anc connected, I think that qualifies as a "heart attack". But I won't believe a damn thing I read in the lapdog media. It also occurs to me that his death keeps him from selling anyone (DeadEye Dick?) down the river for a sentencing reduction.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#18)
    by Patrick on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:51:39 PM EST
    No conspiracy theorists out there think it was a suicide? Like perhaps david Hasselhoff's freak shaving accident wasn't a suicide attempt either

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#19)
    by Patrick on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:52:58 PM EST
    OK, nevermind....I think my firewall prevents threads from refreshing automatically.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#20)
    by BigTex on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    Sad to see anyone go from a sudden cause. Jlvngstn and edgar are right, there should be condolences, if for the family's sake only. They lost a loved one, at least in prison they could have seen him from time to time. Here it's final. And it is sudden. Not like a terminal illness that has finally run it's course. That's devistating. Justice can still be served. Even though he can't be sued civilly, his estate can be. His death only changes the means.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#21)
    by Punchy on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 02:56:23 PM EST
    How did he escape? He died.
    That's being obtuse, JM. We all know he was facing the rest of his life in the pokey. THAT is real punishment. Gets to actually SEE what crimes like his actually produce, justice-wise. The mere fact that he was convicted, yet was allowed to VACATION IN ASPEN is sickening enough. The fact he never spent a day in the cooler is justice not served, IMO.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 02:59:45 PM EST
    He's holed up in Rangoon with a web-footed French prostitute named Chloe. Seriously though...thoughts to his family, it ain't ever easy.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 03:31:30 PM EST
    Posted by Squeaky July 5, 2006 01:38 PM How did he escape? He died. Well in the movie version he had a double (enhanced with plastic surgery) who had a terminal illness. Lay paid the man's family $10 million to take the non-traceable heart attack drug. He is deep under the mountain in a secret bunker. After the heat dies down he will be off to Switzerland. He gets it in the end in a ski lift accident while trying to hide from Arnie who is hot on his trail. OK, the script does still need work.
    In Aspen?...NSA/CIA/Intel/Neocon Aspen? ....isn't that dangerously close to Aurora? As part of the scheme,...er,...I mean, script, this was sanctioned by the offices of VP&P of US to avoid any potential of Lay testifying in future criminal trials. He was granted a Presidential pardon for all crimes, but technically, he is ruled innocent of previous convictions due to deat BY NATURAL CAUSES before having a chance to appeal brilliant.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#25)
    by rdandrea on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:29:02 PM EST
    I can't put all the conspiracy theories to rest, but the autopsy was performed at Community Hospital in Grand Junction by Dr. Rob Kurtzman. Kurtzman is a certified forensic pathologist and not some run-of-the-mill yay-hoo country bumpkin. Whatever Kurtzman says I'd tend to believe. While not infallible, he's a straight shooter.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:32:29 PM EST
    Some of these responses are really bothering me. People still want to villify Lay even after he is dead. Don't you realize that by looking for revenge and vindication you are thinking in the exact same way as the administration is in Iraq (and the way the ethnic groups there are too). It's just a cycle of revenge. Also, by continuing to bring up Lay's financial misdealings, you're appearing to worship the "almighty dollar" as much as these "criminals" you're disparaging. You're doing this by essentially saying "look how bad these people are for stealing all this money" (as if money is the be and end all). I just see a lot of hypocrisy in all of this.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:55:47 PM EST
    Some of these responses are really bothering me. People still want to villify Lay even after he is dead.
    Uhh, he ruined a lot of lives, and lived well to the end. Living well is the best revenge. I'd rather he made good friends with 'bubba' for 10 years so he could have felt what his employees, did. We don't have to 'villify' him, we can just state the facts. And the facts are he was a worse scumbag than any crackhead who ever held up a QuikEMart, because he ruined more lives.
    Also, by continuing to bring up Lay's financial misdealings, you're appearing to worship the "almighty dollar"
    Gee, if you lost all of your retirement, have to eat catfood, can't afford meds, etc., then I think that isn't worshiping the $$, that's survival. Rich people worship at Mammon's alter; poor people aren't even allowed in the temple.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:03:16 PM EST
    I dont think he faked his own death. The question of whether he faked his own life might be worth looking into though.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:12:51 PM EST
    but the autopsy was performed at Community Hospital in Grand Junction by Dr. Rob Kurtzman. Kurtzman is a certified forensic pathologist and not some run-of-the-mill yay-hoo country bumpkin.
    Maybe there needs to be a second opinion
    Suit claims Rifle teen beaten Four youths, 2 parents cited in civil action .... Skyock suffered a fractured skull, several broken ribs, and scrape wounds on the backs of his hands and one shoulder after attending a late-night party in Rifle on Feb. 10, 2001. ..... An investigation determined he had attended a party. Blood alcohol tests showed Skyock was highly intoxicated at the time he was injured. ..... Dr. Rob Kurtzman, a forensic pathologist in Grand Junction, examined Skyock twice while he was in St. Mary's Hospital, took photographs of his injuries and examined the clothing Skyock had on when he was injured. ..... Rifle police had initially investigated Skyock's injuries as an assault, but Kurtzman determined the injuries were more consistent with "an individual who was intoxicated and had fallen." ..... Skyock's parents and the coalition of gay and lesbian rights groups, who are assisting in the filing the lawsuit, disagree with Kurtzman's findings. They sought a second opinion from Arapahoe County Coroner Dr. Michael Dobersen. Using reports and photographs supplied by an attorney for the Skyocks, Dobersen said he found Skyock's injuries more consistent with a beating.
    -----------------
    $1.2 million in hate suit ... Teens, mom ordered to pay in 2001 beating of gay Rifle youth A federal judge awarded $1.2 million Thursday to an 18-year-old gay Rifle youth for a hate attack the judge called "worse than savage." ...... No one was prosecuted for the attack on Kyle Skyock. The family said a local medical examiner determined Skyock wasn't necessarily beaten and could have injured himself by falling. .... But a girl told the Skyock family that one of the youths who allegedly beat him was bragging about it on the school bus the next day.


    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:19:17 PM EST
    Jondee:
    "I dont think he faked his own death. The question of whether he faked his own life might be worth looking into though."
    How to say the most with the least words! Best post I've seen in a long time. Definitely thoughts to ponder there, Jondee. :-D

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#31)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:24:45 PM EST
    rumi - excellent research. It would be nice to have a 2nd opinion.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:47:31 PM EST
    rumi- I second Sailor's opinion. Nice catch!

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 09:04:17 PM EST
    Sorry JMM, but we are in Iraq when we should be in Afghanistan. Ken Lay was in fact convicted and was awaiting sentencing. So no, thinking that Ken Lay has a debt to society is not the same as thinking that getting Hussein would be an effective way to get at Al Qaeda. Is it all about the money? Yes, in fact this crime was ALL about the money. The swindle from employees, pension funds, and shareholders. Many of these employees seeing their hard work and the retirement vanish. There isn't lots of hypocrisy here, there is lots of misery caused by DeLay. However, in this instance we can actually put a pretty precise figure on it. I don't understand your statement about a cycle of revenge unless you think that by allowing former employees and shareholders to go after Lay's illgotten goods would create an army of CEO insurgents trying to wrest more booty from American employees and stockholders. Hmm, you are right, that in fact is exactly what we see in American today.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 09:39:06 PM EST
    Oy, my game leg is acting up all of a sudden.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 09:49:44 PM EST
    Sheriff's deputies were called to the residence. I don't know Rob Kurtzman, but I do know the Pitkin County Sheriff and most of his deputies and they wouldn't fake an incident report.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:08:36 PM EST
    Oh well the old game leg was never too dependeble anyway...... I guess it is back to the movie script. Maybe instead of Switzerland he escapes through a secret tunnel to Mexico. I bet that I could rework the famous car scene somehow, for the end where he dies. Much better death than a ski lift accident, and topical too. Arnie is still in though.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:52:15 PM EST
    JP Flathead, your first post was worty of a spit-take. yours ever, RD

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:53:38 PM EST
    worthy, even...

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:01:39 PM EST
    jmm, i climbed all the way to the top of the mountain with the rice paper between my knees and you were gone! now tell me...what is the meaning of life?!

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:05:29 PM EST
    Thank you RD, For conspiracy theorists, The Thom Hartmann show on AA Phoenix tonight reminds us that: 2002, Former Enron exec J. Clifford Baxter dies in mysterious suicide in his car shortly before speaking to Enron investigators Not long after she questioned Enron's disastrous accounting, Sherron Watkins began to fear for her safety. Enron's power brokers were ruthless, she told friends.... At work, she was afraid to walk in the cavernous parking garage. At home, anonymous callers left threatening telephone messages. Then, in early 2002, former Enron executive Clifford Baxter -- who also had warned about Enron's accounting -- shot himself to death near his home outside Houston. His suicide shook up Watkins. Her husband, Rick, called the FBI, which told him the Houston police would make extra patrols by their house. A security expert advised the family to sweep their home and cars for electronic bugs. "You almost became a conspiracy theorist," says the 43-year-old Sherron Watkins. Now, after conviction, before sentencing, when AA Phx speculates that it is the right time for deals to be made with the prosecutor, Ken Lay "apparently" dies.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:50:27 PM EST
    Quite a few people seem to still have high regard for Mr. Lay. We should honor him by having a public viewing in the Capitol Rotunda like we did Rosa Parks and other highly regarded Americans. I don't think that people who feel that Ken Lay was a crook will mind, considering he was a liar and all.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:53:25 PM EST
    How does a man with no heart have a massive heart attack?

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#44)
    by Aaron on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:39:47 AM EST
    Referencing some of the comments made here in regard to dying as an escape. Strictly speaking, it's hard to deny that he's escaped justice as we define it through the system. I can't equate dying of natural causes as Justice for the crimes he committed. He wasn't facing the death penalty, nor should he have. We've all got death coming, some of us just die at more opportune moments than others. Personally I've never noticed anything particularly just in the death of anything. From a legal standpoint, as the accused Ken Lay had the right to face his accusers, and those accusers had a right to have their say in what occurred. Witnesses whose words would've become part of the public record will now only be quoted in other trial records associated with Enron. From a historical standpoint this may leave gaps in the official record since the judicial process itself has not only been halted but in a sense circumvented by his death, perhaps leaving a number of things unresolved for many people. So in that sense we've all either been deprived of or spared this trial depending upon your perspective. I imagine there are many who are relieved that he will not be testifying, and I imagine there are many who are quite upset that they'll never see him on the witness stand having his lies dismantled and his crimes laid out for all the world to see. If as Peter G said, it all just goes away now, I can only try to imagine being an elderly person who worked their entire life counting on that nest egg to survive, a nest egg which was absconded with by these pirates. These people will never get the opportunity to confront the person who was seemingly most responsible for their deprivation and harm. Small consolation I expect, but nonetheless part of what constitutes justice in our system. There seems to be something inherently unjust in that. I don't know how much it will mean to the civil prosecution, I imagine they have a mountain of evidence at this point. Let's just hope it doesn't negatively impact those claims, because their only hope of anything resembling justice now is some kind of monetary reimbursement, that's it. I believe it was Socrates who put forward the idea that punishment is for the betterment of the offender, an outlook that really isn't in vogue these days. But I get the feeling in cases like this it would be better for society in general, as well as for the accused, to face the process, the misdeeds revealed within that process, and be made to pay some penance in this world if found guilty. All due respect to the family who have my condolences but I, on some visceral level, would have preferred to see Ken Lay drinking a cup of hemlock of his own volition after having faced the wrong he had done to so many, then him keeling over from a bad ticker. That's the best kind of justice there is anyway, the justice you portion out to yourself, few escape it they say. Perhaps Mr. lay did pass judgment on himself in the end after all, I suppose we'll never know.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 04:01:34 AM EST
    Far be it from me to question the integrity of the Pitkin County offices but I keep stumbling over trivia to add to the script. It so happens that the Pitkin Co Coroner was out of town, which prompted the call for Kurtzman. The other references are sufficiently vague to nurture a conspiracy theorist's wonderings.
    Coroner cites heart disease in Lay's death Kurtzman said he received a phone call Wednesday morning from the Pitkin County Coroner's Office, which asked him to perform a postmortem examination on Lay. Pitkin County Coroner Dr. Steve Ayers is out of town. .... By afternoon, Lay's body was en route to Farnum-Holt funeral home in Glenwood Springs. Pitkin County sheriff's deputies and a Basalt ambulance were called to the Old Snowmass home Lay was renting at 1:41 a.m. for a medical emergency, according to a news release from the sheriff's office. Lay was transported to Aspen Valley Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 3:11 a.m. - "His heart simply gave out," said Steve Wende, Lay's pastor at Houston's First United Methodist Church. A vehicle took his to Grand Junction for an autopsy Wednesday afternoon.
    Now, for the really interesting part. I can add another slightly odd quote from an otherwise perfectly normal situation that also happened with some of the same people in the past. These small details are crucial to the big picture in a script surreality sense. "He stomped terra," the family's statement said. In Latin, terra means earth. This simple, possibly inaccurate translation lends hope to the dedicated coincidence theorist's belief that justice does prevail in the long run, or downhill, whichever.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#46)
    by Dusty on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 09:02:18 AM EST
    Doesn't Jerilyn live in CO? She needs to go to the funeral home and grab some hair or something so everyone that thinks he isn't dead can pay for a DNA test to determine if its Kenny in the coffin.. He got the last laugh..his family is rich for generations to come. He just checked out early,which I would of done had I been him..

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#47)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 03:45:21 PM EST
    He got the last laugh..his family is rich for generations to come.
    Hopefully not. Civil suits can still get his estate.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 05:47:48 PM EST
    et al - Enjoy.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 06:08:19 PM EST
    When it's announced that the body will be cremated and a simple memorial service to follow, (no public viewing) the coincidence theorists will be howling. I was wondering...since the death wipes out the indictment/conviction as though it never existed, does this mean all legal fees have also been erased to collect?

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 06:40:35 PM EST
    It's never a conspiracy when you agree with the goals and identify with the conspirators. See: Jim's comments about Iran Contra for instance.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:12:48 PM EST
    It appears that we might have a chance to revisit many of the same players as were involved in IC One. The wheels of hustice turn slowly...is that the right saying? When P Fitzgerald asked permission to share the wealth of documents from Italy regarding the yellowcake forgeries, it opened cans of worms that'll squirm for years.

    Re: Ken Lay Dies of Heart Attack in Aspen (none / 0) (#52)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:14:43 PM EST
    lol...make that the heels of Justice turn slowly. :-)