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Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Viagra Incident

Bump and Update: The doctors may face investigation in Rush's Viagra case.

State attorney's office spokesman Mike Edmondson said his office also will look into whether Limbaugh violated that agreement with prosecutors. Prosecutors also will examine the possibility of "any doctor being complicit and the possibility of doctors being charged as well."

Update: Are the doctors really in trouble? Perhaps not. This is grounds for discipline:

® Prescribing, dispensing, or administering any medicinal drug appearing on any schedule set forth in chapter 893 by the physician to himself or herself, except one prescribed, dispensed, or administered to the physician by another practitioner authorized to prescribe, dispense, or administer medicinal drugs. Fla. Stat. § 458.331

If one doctor prescribed it to another doctor instead of to Rush for privacy reasons. what then? According to the Orlando Sentinel:

It is generally not illegal under Florida law for a physician to prescribe medication in a third party's name if all parties are aware and the doctor documents it correctly, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County. He would not discuss specifics in the Limbaugh case Tuesday.

Crooks and Liars does some investigative reporting and reports the doctors may not be in the clear.

Christy weighs in at Firedoglake, as does James Wolcott.

Update: Rush mentioned his viagra troubles for all of 28 seconds on the air today, via Crooks and Liars, you can listen here.

The Orlando Sentinel reports:

Limbaugh joked about the search on his radio show Tuesday, saying Customs officials didn't believe him when he said he got the pills at the Clinton Library and he was told they were blue M&Ms. He later added, chuckling: "I had a great time in the Dominican Republic. Wish I could tell you about it."

Update: Rush gets punked on the air by a caller asking him about expanding the government's domestic surveillance to include, say, sex tourism in the Dominican Republic. You can listen here.

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Original Post 6/26
Rush Limbaugh Detained at Airport for Possessing Viagra

Rush Limbaugh doesn't learn. After all his trouble with his doctor shopping case, and his being under a deferred prosecution, he asks his doctors to put his viagra script in their name instead of his "for privacy purposes." Today he was detained at the Palm Beach Airport for three hours when a search of his luggage uncovered them.

For privacy? That sure worked out well, didn't it. Now, instead of just a pharmacist learning he takes the drug, the whole world knows.

What will happen to him? The matter has been referred to prosecutors. Possessing drugs without a proper prescription can be a class two misdemeanor. It could revoke his deal. As I reported here,

The agreement also provides that he must refrain from violating the law during this 18 months, must pay $30 per month for the cost of "supervision" and comply with other similar provisions of the agreement.

Any violation of the law could result in a revocation of his deal, which would mean he'd have to stand trial on the doctor shopping charge. The decision will be up to prosecutors.

My prediction: He'll skate, since viagra is not a psychotropic substance. And because Roy Black is a great lawyer.

Crooks and Liars has the Olbermann video on the detention, and a link to Roy Black's statement.

I think this will sit just fine with conservatives. Isn't Bob Dole the poster boy for Viagra?

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  • Looking at Pfizer's stock for this year, I predict they will make Rush their new spokesman.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 08:31:47 PM EST
    Poor guy...he's got a lot to learn about dodging prohibition laws. Give him time, he's new to the underworld.

    I do hope this requires some more work from the ACLU on his behalf.

    His problem is he has no respect for the law. How could he not know that a prescription has to be in his name?

    His problem is he has no respect for the law. How could he not know that a prescription has to be in his name? I'm not Rush, and already in trouble for drugs, but actually, now I wonder if what I do is legal.... I have several prescriptions for things like high blood pressure medicince and migraines and I just put all of it into one of those "7 day reminder" plastic containers. It's prescription drugs and there is no ID. Now, it's only 21 pills for a week - but then there is no identifying information about the drug or the prescription at all. What is liable to get me into more trouble is I often have a baggie of ibuprofen (on doctor's orders for RSI I take 12 a day) What does Customs want you to carry? I'm not a complete idiot, I usually keep all of my cocaine in little balloons that I swallow ahead of time. (KIDDING!)

    All of you civil liberty bloggers might instead wonder whether Rush was randomly picked of thousands of air passengers for a three hour search of his luggage.
    Cuz he got a drug rap sheet remember? He could be a potential smuggler based on his past actions. Either that or pasty white, bloviating hypocrites are being racially profiled these days. Don't worry, the ACLU will bail his fat ass outta trouble again.

    He wasn't singled out. He was going through customs, coming from another country. Everyone's bags are subject to search.

    J Pierpoint, there's a pretty strict ban on TalkLeft giving legal advice. So I'd appreciate no one responding to the specific inquiry.

    rogan1313 does bring up an interesting question. Just what sort of profiling can Customs do? I know from experience they can ask you questions based on your current and previous travel. A year after a trip to Costa Rica, they asked me about that trip when I was returning from a trip to Cozumel. If someone has a customs-related offense like drug abuse, do they have that information on hand in whatever passport records database they have? Are they allowed to profile based on that? I don't think I would have any problem if they do. It would seem to make sense.

    I apologize TL, I realized after posting it seemed like I was asking for legal advice. I was really just wondering aloud about my naive packing. Without asking for legal advice, I bet a lot of people (okay, thanks a bunch, yes, a lot of people that are getting older, happy now?) are packing their legal drugs like I do. (I think that's my four for the day and I need to get back to work anyway!)

    He probably will skate, and that's probably right. The public humiliation and the inevitable torrent of late-night jokes are a reasonable punishment for the hubris -- a desire for privacy is understandable but hardly a reason for not following a law that applies to everyone. And jeez, given the nature of his deal, what was he thinking?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:00:08 PM EST
    Hypocrites who play "tough guy" on the air waves for years, publicly advocating some of the most thuggish, draconian, attitudes toward drug offenders imaginable while they're engaging in the same behaviors that they publicly attack, need to be "embarrased".

    Visiting Customs # Declare all drugs, medicinals, and similar products to the appropriate CBP official. # Carry such substances in their original containers. # Carry only the quantity of such substances that a person with that condition (e.g., chronic pain) would normally carry for his/her personal use. # Carry a prescription or written statement from your physician that the substances are being used under a doctor's supervision and that they are necessary for your physical well being while traveling. Well I don't travel much, but that's a pain in the butt, and all because of junkies like Rush that ruin it for the rest of us.

    oh come on this is ridiculous because of ideology the left doesnt believe in a right to privacy, so rush limbaugh cant have sex

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:12:59 PM EST
    In the waters of some of our lovely coastlines, at certain times of the year, Im sure he wont have a problem.

    All of you civil liberty bloggers might instead wonder whether Rush was randomly picked of thousands of air passengers for a three hour search of his luggage. I've never heard of airport searchers pulling out prescription bottles with different names if they have noncontrolled substances. Is "Flying while Rush" somehow related to "Driving while Black?"
    -------------------------------------- Rogan1313, first of all, nobody said that he was subjected to a 3-hour search. Unless he was carrying a cargo container on his person, that would be rather laughable, now wouldn't it? Secondly, did you happen to be there when the Customs officials decided to search Mr. Limbaugh's luggage? Do you know if it was random or if they in fact had probable cause? Did you happen to see if Mr. Limbaugh was acting suspiciously; was he sweating; pacing; stumbling over his words? Were there perhaps other reasons why Mr. Limbaugh could have been stopped and selected for a secondary search? Oh, you weren't there? Well, then you can just stfu about your conspiracy theories. An ardent Rush fan such as yourself has very little credibility when citing "profiling" and comparing that to the singling out of a "known" felon for suspicion of something said felon was known to have committed in the past.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#17)
    by aw on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:21:53 PM EST
    Ha ha. That's why Rush fought so hard to keep his medical records private. He didn't want anybody to know about the Viagra.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#18)
    by wumhenry on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:36:44 PM EST
    Somehow I don't think that the bloggers who are infuriated because phone companies release information about patterns of phone calls will really care much about this level of intrusive search. After all, it's not about freedom, it's about embarrassing Republicans.
    The USAToday report says he was released without being charged and quotes a police official as saying that "it could be a second degree demeanor". Is it OK for the police to run to the press with a story about what they found in somebody's suitcase when they haven't charged him with any offense and aren't sure he broke the law?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#19)
    by cmpnwtr on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:49:36 PM EST
    How will Rush explain this to his religious right following? I thought unmarried persons were supposed to be abstinent. Sin, sin, sin.. a corrupt and sinful slime.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:50:26 PM EST
    It tends to happen with celebrities. Even with bona-fide American heros like Mr. Anal Cysts.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#21)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:51:08 PM EST
    Is it OK for the police to run to the press with a story about what they found in somebody's suitcase when they haven't charged him with any offense and aren't sure he broke the law? It's a public record. There are people who keep track of such things, and there may have been witnesses at the airport. What difference does it make how it got to the press? It's news because it is so freaking DELICIOUS that he needed Viagra to visit the Dominican Republic for two days. Sightseeing, Rush? The poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere is the most beautiful place you can think of to go for a weekend? Can you list some of the tourist attractions? I know, it's not like he was taking hard drugs. Bada-BING! That a cigarette in your pocket, Rush, or are you halfway glad to see me? Ka-Thwack! I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

    The Dominican Republic has one of the highest per capita concentrations of prostitutes and those involved in the sex trade in the world. Could it be he needed "(Br)other's Little Helper" while on some R&R? Just a coincidence he was carrying around an illegally obtained bottle of Viagra?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#23)
    by beefeater on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:04:05 PM EST
    I guess I wouldn't want to be a commentator of any stripe on the subject of Viagra. Anyone who makes a joke had better be sure that they don't use it too. If you think Kerry was swiftboated, wait till the bloggers get on this subject.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:06:43 PM EST
    Keith Olbermann inaccurately describes Limbaugh as a comedian. I think that this in not right to say. He is not a comedian, he is a clown.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#25)
    by Liberal Heart on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:08:40 PM EST
    What about the doctor? Is it legal for a doctor to issue an Rx to him/herself when it's meant for a patient? I can't imagine my doctor ever agreeing to such a scheme.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:39:33 PM EST
    Maybe he swiped the pills during a party at the good doctor's house.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#27)
    by cpinva on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 03:03:55 AM EST
    the issue isn't the viagra, though that's good for laughs, i suppose. given the number sold every year, it would seem a fair chunk of the male population is using it, so i wouldn't too high and mighty just yet. the issue is his overt, and stupid, violation of drug laws. as noted, had he gotten the scrip in his name, only his pharmacist and doctor would know. instead, he invites, and gets, embarrssing publicity. what an idiot. yes, he'll skate, we aren't exactly talking 5 keys of heroin here, now are we? what positive purpose would prosecuting him really serve?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#28)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 03:59:42 AM EST
    This just shows that the only thing stupider than Rush is the scheme of anti-drug laws.

    we aren't exactly talking 5 keys of heroin here, now are we? what positive purpose would prosecuting him really serve?
    Yes indeed, in spite of what we may think of Limbaugh this is a nonsense. As is the original "hienous" sex crimes of those people filing suit in Georgia. And one asks why the jails are full, the country is mad.

    I'm with dloberk above, what's Rush doing with all that Viagra in the Dominican Republic? It's not the toniest of neighborhoods. Oh well... let's not go there.

    Repack Rider poses a legit question between the yucks: What is Rush planning on doing in the D.R. for two days with a hat full of Viagra? Is it true Limbaugh has a sex addiction as well? Is there any truth to the rumor Limbaugh is a pederast? Meanwhile, Indiana congressman John Hostettler has introduced legislation to change the name of Interstate 69 to I-63 because of "sexual undertones" associated with the current name. Well...here in metro Detroit we can take Exit 69 to Big Beaver Rd. I reckon the only thing stopping moral Watchmen like Limbaugh and Hostettler from changing that one is the revenue created from T-shirt sales at Detroit Metro Airport.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 06:16:14 AM EST
    so rush limbaugh cant have sex
    It appears not...not without the help of Pfizer that is. It is total b.s. that he got harassed for some boner pills...it just couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#33)
    by jen on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 06:16:53 AM EST
    what was he going to do with the vial full of viagra? my question is why was he bringing it *back* full of viagra

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#34)
    by Slado on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 06:21:05 AM EST
    Raoul I doubt I-69 will be neutered into I-63. As aspouse of an Indianian I have been hearing about I-69 for 10 years as they planned it and tried to make it a reality. It's been called that forever and now that it's actually going to be built he has a problem with it? Lame. As for Rush he is an entertainer and subject to public embarrassment just like Kate Moss or Lindsay Lohan would be if this had happened to them. Embarassing yes, career ending, no. I'll keep listening because he makes liberals go crazy.

    I'll keep listening because he makes liberals go crazy.
    The thing about Limbaugh that makes this particular Liberal go crazy, dear Slado, is the double standard with which Rush relies to shill certain "Standards of Excellence" on one hand and in real life, makes himself out to be quite a hapless boob in the "Questionable Choices" department. Does he have a 'script for an ailing character? And be careful...playing the "Celebrity Card" to excuse bad behavior puts you in camp with the Hollywood Liberal contingent.

    Raoul. I wonder if Limbaugh had the other half of the cocktail to go with the viagra, as in xtc, party on lets go.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:20:56 AM EST
    Typical chickenhawk....soft.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#38)
    by legion on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:32:01 AM EST
    Seriously though - I haven't seen this question addressed anywhere yet: Is it legal for a doc to write a script for someome, but label it under their own name for "privacy purposes"? I have a hard time buying this, since medical records (including, I assume, prescriptions) are already private, what with HIPAA and all...

    Oscar, been ages! as for XTC, i was always fond of the "Skylarking " album.... drowning here in summer's cauldron, Raoul

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#40)
    by ltgesq on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:36:08 AM EST
    Duh. The three hour search comes after they find prescription drugs in someone else's name in your luggage. It is a tricky thing to transport even legal drugs in or out of the country that you have a prescription for. In some countries, RU486 is legal. Bring it here and you'll have a problem. I believe the doctors would be in trouble. Unless he had more than viagra, I'd be surprised if they revoked the deal. My guess is Roy Black's first reaction to this story was to beat his head against the table. As to Rush being targeted -- please. If you want to see targeting follow someone who has ever been arrested in a small town. I know of a person arrested for illegal possession of oxycodone for picking up his wife's medicine from the pharmacy. She was in too much pain to drive. Now that is targeting. Being a moron doesn't mean the cops were out to get you.

    Whatever happens to Rush now will be cleared later by Bush. Bush will pardon Rush so he can go back to filling the airwaves with his democrats are inferior to republicans nonsense.

    just hope the TSA wasnt too hard on him. i'll get me coat....

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:54:15 AM EST
    Why do we need a scrip for Viagra anyway? It should be available over the counter just like butt plugs and cock rings and those great pills that will make your johnson longer that i get in my email box 14 times a day. If someone wants a 24 hour erection, why do we need a scrip? Put the medical caveats on the label and sell it OTC.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#44)
    by Slado on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 08:27:54 AM EST
    Liberal going crazy... is the double standard with which Rush relies to shill certain "Standards of Excellence" on one hand and in real life, makes himself out to be quite a hapless boob in the "Questionable Choices" department. He is an entertainer that makes the conservitave case very well. Only liberals hold conservatives to such a high moral standard. Rush doesn't beat the soapbox of the religious right. He beats the soapbox of Reagan conservativism and he's right 99% of the time. Mega Dittos El Rushbo, keep up the good work.

    Rush can't hear you, Slado, he's nursing a 24 hour erection. a tip of the prepuce to jlvngstn...ta!

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 08:44:33 AM EST
    "And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
    -Guess who I disagree, but if that's how you feel, I'll have them reserve a cell at the West Palm lock-up for ya you dirty druggie.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#47)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 08:57:01 AM EST
    As usual, The General knocks it out of the park.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 09:02:30 AM EST
    Slado - Reagan conservatism would have been another blip on the radar screen without it's continual kow-towing to the religious right; just as Bushco would be today. It's a package deal and to pretend otherwise is disengenuous.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 09:03:57 AM EST
    Jlvngstn - You wrote:
    and those great pills that will make your johnson longer that i get in my email box 14 times a day.
    When you find one that works, let us know... ;-) purely for general information, of course.... But seriously folks, do you think he will do any hard time? Why do Lefties hate assisted living for the needy??? Gotta go now, the puns are over coming me....

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#50)
    by Slado on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 09:10:22 AM EST
    Jondee please explain the moral differnece between "kowtowing" to the religions right and "kowtowing" to the ACLU, NARAL, NAACP, Enviro's etc...?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 09:19:54 AM EST
    Slado - I was responding to your insinuation that "Reagan conservatism" ever was a viable movement divorced from the Religious Right.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#52)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 09:31:03 AM EST
    PPJ - 11 trials, Zero success.

    Well Rush, bit like the sex offenders, once you're in the book, you're staying in the book. Here's a bit of something I scribbled onceover, I think you might appreciate it. Bonnie boys in shirts of blue They were waiting; they knew I was coming; My name is in the big black book. 'Please park there Sir, we want to take your car apart, We suspect you may be carrying drugs.' 'I am said I, cigarettes and wine, the government sells them, by a law divine'. They found f**k all, they did their best, Long faces; no arrest. Through my wallet they did go, every name, 'Who's this one so?' Peter Kelly, an ageing man, Of old Arklow. On scrap of paper was his name, ah! he must Be someone in the game. Should you turn the scrapeen so, all revealed Then you'll know. 'twas a little philosophy from his wall I took, it read: "There is only one success, To live your life, in your own way." Easy, simple, nothing blunt; he looked at me, And knew, I thought him, such a ****. Eventually, on my way I went, wasted hours, Many I'd spent. Rosslare, Rosslare, what a kip; seems your Dog can't smell a trip.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#54)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 10:52:46 AM EST
    And, today, he's back at work, making jokes about it. Twist, twist, twist that prosecutor's tail, Rushbo! Give us more entertainment than we can handle, when he notes your insouciant disdain for the law, and revokes your plea deal. Please!

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 11:04:50 AM EST
    Im still wondering how the crypto-racist as*hole wasn't publicly hung out to dry after his remark about the Coretta Scott King funeral.

    Someone earlier asked if Rush was selectively picked out by customs from the "thousands" of people per hour passing through Customs. First of all, whomever wrote that has obviously never cleared Customs in PBI where there might be 500 people in a day passing through. Secondly, whomever said that obviously didn't read the news story because it said that the drug was found after Rush's "private plane" had landed in PBI. He wasn't among the "normal" people when caught. He was in his own little world. One also has to wonder how many of the fervently supportive dittoheads who listen to this fat windbag can afford their own plane...or for that matter how many can afford a plane ticket.

    Gee Slado, I thought you heroic types didn't do "victim."

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#58)
    by Dadler on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 12:04:56 PM EST
    Slado, The difference is the religious right has, at its core of belief, wild irrationality. The literal belief in obvious metaphor. It is known as a state of childishness. No different than believing in Santa Claus. You have every right to, and I have every right not to and to call out the irrationality and lack of critical thought. I have no problem with religious people who are good and nice people and want to attribute it to religion, but goodness and generosity and kindness were around a long time before humans wrote them down in holy books and started to claim exclusive title to god. The ACLU and other groups you cite deal exclusively in the reality of the here and now, actual life, not in the unreality of pleasing a spirit so you can go to heaven.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#59)
    by Dadler on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 12:07:54 PM EST
    Rush, Eat healthier, cut out the excessive booze and caffeine and smoking, make sure you get your minerals (especially zinc), excercise a TAD, and you'll get all the stiffies you need.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 12:43:42 PM EST
    What a great use of resources, going after a guy with pills that make his johnson stiff. Shouldn't we be focusing our efforts on things like terror? Or is the thought of Rush having a really good and long woody considered terrifying? I guess it is all relative. Don't waste one more penny of my tax dollars chasing personal use of a johnson helper.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 12:45:20 PM EST
    So let me get this straight Dadler, there is no need for anyone to have Viagra, all they need are the following:
    Eat healthier, cut out the excessive booze and caffeine and smoking, make sure you get your minerals (especially zinc), excercise a TAD, and you'll get all the stiffies you need.
    Just to be clear, what state are you licensed to practice medicine in?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#62)
    by scribe on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 12:50:10 PM EST
    And, he dodges answering listener asking him where all the government surveillance will stop, if they'll go after, say, sex tourism in the Dominican Republic. Audio clip, too. Punk'd.

    "When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras."---old medical saying meaning think of the obvious, not the rare when making a diagnosis; usually told to med students and interns early in their training. I have a MD lic. in a number of states although not in Florida. In my practice, I have treated many patients with addiction issues. I have also served on several institution's medical executive committees which involved disciplining docs bad actions. Here"s my take on Rush and his Viagra script that was written as if the doc was the patient. I know of no doc or pharmacist who would list their own name as the patient on a script for any patient, especially one with a HISTORY OF ADDICTION. (I have never even heard of it being done). Both the doc and the pharmacist could loose their lic. for this kind of behavior because it would be unethical if not illegal. Besides the red flag of the past medical history of addiction, there is a possible malpractice problem with a drug like Viagra because it can result in a heart attack or in rare occasions, blindness. Therefore no reasonable doc or pharmacist would monkey around in a case like this. Given the fact pattern so far known, the more likely explanation is that Rush went to the DR as a sex tourist. He is recently divorced and took Viagra with him for the weekend of cheap thrills. The DR is famous for its cheap hookers. The bad news is these hookers have an estimated rate of HIV infection of 12%. There is no other place on Earth besides subsahara Africa with higher rates of HIV. This is high risk behavior. High risk behavior is typical of an addict. By his own admission, Rush is an addict. He has been in rehab at least 3 times and is under current treatment for his addiction Addiction is a disease of denial and lies. Addicts abuse multiple drugs along with addictive drugs. They also frequentlly relapse. Addicts do risky and stupid stuff like going to hookers with high rates of HIV or going through airport security with a Viagra script with your doc listed as the patient. Addicts also frequently have weird and unusual stories about their atypical use of many meds, not just addictive meds. Typically their stories, just like this case, do not add up. To the naive poster who said Rush had a nonforged script, how do you know? We only know what has been reported by the media and what has been said by Rush and his attorney. Finally, being on probation for addictive drug misuse then traveling with a Viagra prescription in your doc's name is legally stupid. The final result could be a new charge and loss of probation. Rush may be innocent, but this is the dumb behavior of an addict who has lost control of his addiction. The bigger moral question of a unattractive middle aged man who lectures his large radio audience on morals, probably traveling to the DR for a $20 sex act with young third world hookers, I leave to others to debate. md

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:04:26 PM EST
    I'm with you JLV...but Rush isn't. He thinks govt. probing of your personal decision on which substances you imbibe is a great use of tax dollars.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#65)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    Rush's on air comments prove the following: 1- Rush is really, really stupid; 2- Rush wants to tick off the prosecutor; 3- Some people on this site will defend anything. The whole incident shows that the WOD is as stupid as Rush

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:06:43 PM EST
    MD - So? Addiction is a personal matter until it effects someone else. If you were arguing that Rush went to the DR and acquired HIV and passed it on to his wife and or other partners than we have a moral issue. But as one who believes prostitution should be legal as well as viagra, who cares what Rush does in his bedroom or a room with a red light on it? I do not like Rush, but not because he is an addict or takes viagra and I do not care either way. I say again, Rush is an addict who has sex with viagra, ooooooohhhh bad man.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:08:20 PM EST
    I know kdog, all the more reason to stand behind Rush here. No sense in letting my revulsion of the fat pig get the better of me with regard to what is right.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#68)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:09:47 PM EST
    J- IF Rush had sex with an underage prostitution, he would be in violation of federal law. Even if you agree that prostitution should be legal, there are still limits

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#69)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:14:19 PM EST
    I don't believe Customs found DNA from an underaged girl on his johnson, merely viagra in his briefcase. Let's not try to overspeculate, last time we did that Clinton was investigated for 11 years.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#70)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:14:55 PM EST
    Unless of course Roger, you have been speaking to Leopold and have a tip for all of us?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#71)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:17:06 PM EST
    J- Nothing beyond the fact that many Americans (and Germans) go to poor countries to get underage prostitutes. For adult prostitutes, you can just go to Vegas. No customs.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:21:50 PM EST
    In Vegas cops are everywhere, in DR cops are hard to find. In Vegas everyone knows Rush, in DR he is just another gringo. In Vegas he runs a bad chance that some hooker decides to sell her story to National Enquirer for a grand or so. Millions of reasons to get hookers in another country, not their age. Scurrilous accusations make you more like him.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#73)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:24:55 PM EST
    Roger, sounds like a detectives tactic there. Why did you search his car: He was nervous. He was too calm He was talkative. He was quiet. He was playing loud music. He didn't even have a radio on. He was fidgeting. He was too relaxed. Attention world, if you are going to a country where there are underage prostitutes, please be sure not to bring your own viagra. After all, you can get viagra in a nightclub in mexico for 10 bucks a pop.

    Was Rush getting a BJ? Sounds like it while waiting for the caller to get the question out...

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:32:27 PM EST
    You're right J...it just ain't easy. But I will condemn the govt. (through their Customs arm) here, knowing full well Rush and others like him would not condemn them if they found a couple seeds in my luggage. Tremendous waste of time, money, and resources. I will say it is important though to call Rush on his hypocrisy. See his now infamous quote on drug users I posted above. Will he see the err' of his past stance on such issues? Doubt it, he will just spin it doubletime. Roger...I wouldn't automatically assume underage. It could be as simple as cheaper and better looking in a nicer climate. Vegas is Bill Bennet's turf.

    I do not care either way...
    Gee, Jlvngstn, for someone who is believes we are all making much ado about nothing, you sure are spending a lot of energy on this issue. I count at least 11 posts. A bit sensitive, are we?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#77)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:41:08 PM EST
    Kdog, but that is the whole point isn't it? It isn't unusual to find someone screaming about morals while they have graveyards in their closets. Rush is a hypocrite, ok. Doesn't change for one instant how I feel about him, nor does it change for one minute how his fans feel about him. I cannot see more than 1% of his fans saying "gees Rush illegally takes viagra, I can't listen to him any more" So he doesn't lose any listeners and he quotes all the left wingers taking shots at him for the bs case and in fact his fans get even more allegiant to his cause. O'Reilly wanted to use falafel on woman and he was almost ordained the christian pope. I don't know that I loathe Rush and Bill as much as I fear their fans. You are either mildly retarded or have all the makings for a cross burning in your garage waiting for the good ole days to come back. Is that a prejudicial statement that casts a very wide and unfair net, YEP but I believe most are morons.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#78)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:44:46 PM EST
    "I don't care either way" was pertaining to whether or not Rush takes Viagra. Next time have your mom read the post to you wuzup and tell her to do it s-l-o-w-l-y.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#79)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:52:25 PM EST
    J- Legal adult prostitution- Amsterdam, Germany. I'm not saying that Rush went to the third world for kiddie sex, but if it doesn't make you wonder.......... Kdog- Cheaper? He flew his private jet! Better looking? Maybe, His ex's (that I know of) are not very blond. The DR women might be to his liking. Is adult prostitution legal in the DR?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#80)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:54:47 PM EST
    J- BTW- Just as you have your prejudices against Rush fans (which I pretty much agree with), I have a prejudice that Rush just comes off like a big perv. I could be wrong, but there's something about him.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#81)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:57:32 PM EST
    Roger, I have been to Amsterdam and Germany and the prostitutes there have a red light district no? In DR just like the US, you can order them right up to your room, 3-4 at a time. In DR you can order 3-4 for 500 total, in Vegas that will run you 5000 and you risk one of them selling their story to NE. And maybe, just maybe he prefers the DR look. I have no affinity for German women or european women in general, but for fantasy purposes, man some Cuban women can be hot. Get it?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#82)
    by Dadler on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 01:58:29 PM EST
    Jlvngstn, I was making a very poor attempt at satire. Also, the only state I'm licesned to practice anything in is the State of Confusion. And the older I get, the more obese that State becomes. Although, on the legitimate side, Viagra is all about blood flow, as are the things I mentioned. Having experienced the wonderful "sexual side effects" of Prozac and the like, the little blue pill is certainly not the enemy of MY aforementioned State. I clearly find, however, that nutrition and excercise (and creative imagination) simply CANNOT be replaced and can do only one thing -- help immensely. Especially with yer ol' John Thomas, yer tallywhacker, trouser schnauzer, what have you.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:07:37 PM EST
    Trouser trout. Keagles (sp?) help too. Not that ole jondee's ever had any problems with the sword excaliber..I've just heard. lol

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#84)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:07:55 PM EST
    I have the same feeling with Rush Roger. But I don't care if he is a perv nor do I care that his fans are morons, morons need entertainment also and Rush provides it. I care more about my consistency that it is a huge waste of time and money OUR MONEY, to prosecute anyone for having viagra questionably or illegally. I understand Rush makes a living pedalling morality so I say "Rush you are a big fat hypocrite". There, now that is over. So what happens now? Rush plays victim to profiling and turns and says it is not ok to profile for non violent offenses but really ok to profile arabs and blacks. Silly argument really. If this were Clinton everyone of us on the left would be screaming at the top of our lungs about the idiocy of it all.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#85)
    by Aaron on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:08:20 PM EST
    What is Rush's stated position on prescription drug imports? Has he been railing against the Bush Administration's tightening of restrictions? Odds are they were scrutinizing his pill bottles to make sure he wasn't bringing back more than a 90-day supply of... whatever happened to be in them... under current federal regulations. The larger issue raised by his getting prescriptions in other people's names, of course, is whether he has "protected his privacy" in a similar manner with any controlled substances. Perhaps it was hints of that which inspired his plea deal. No reports that they found suboxone in his luggage? Then color me impressed. He had a heck of a pill habit, and if he has managed to quit a significant opiate addiction without being maintained on a substitution treatment he's doing better than the vast majority of addicts. Heck, back when I did criminal defense I had any number of pot smokers who couldn't make it through a few months of probation without multiple positive drug tests. The suggestion above about why Viagra isn't available over-the-counter... First, because then most health insurance plans which presently cover part of its cost would decline to cover it, and the Bob Doles of the world want their subsidy. Second, because when abused it can cause cardiac problems, and has potentially dangerous interactions with certain blood disorders and medications. Third, because this nation (like most others) doesn't trust its citizens to responsibly manage their own medical diagnosis and treatment. By any objective measure, pot is much safer to use - doesn't Limbaugh, though, oppose medical marijuana?

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#86)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:09:27 PM EST
    Sorry Dadler, I did not read it that way, should have known better....

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#87)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:14:01 PM EST
    Thanks Aaron: Health plans would not cover it. EVERY drug that has converted to OTC has dropped significantly in price. Second, because when abused it can cause cardiac problems; Every sleeping pill on the market if ABUSED can cause severe liver damage. Are we thinking about taking sleeping pills off the market because some people might abuse them? Third, because this nation (like most others) doesn't trust its citizens to responsibly manage their own medical diagnosis and treatment It would help eliminate a significant portion of Rush's audience and Bush's base, how can anyone make an argument against that??????

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#88)
    by roger on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:31:21 PM EST
    J- Your explanation is at least as plausable as my speculation. Neither would be enough to prosecute, as long as prostituion is legal in the DR, and no kids were involved. Though, as I said above, flying your private jet to save a buck seems implausable. Look to my post above. I would allow Rush to carry any drug he wants. Prosecuting for Viagra is idiocy.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#89)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 02:35:52 PM EST
    FLying the jet is about convenience and not having to deal with the public, you would be surprised at the frugality of some of the rich and famous. One bloody rich celebrity pays everyone with a check because more than 50% of the people do not cash the check, instead they put it in a frame and hang it on the wall uncashed. I think your argument touches a nerve because it speculates pedophilia and while I hate Rush, that is a leap I am not willing to take.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 03:04:31 PM EST
    Beat me to it JLV...the extremely wealthy can be some of the biggest penny-pinchers Rog. At least in my family...I have one uncle I consider rich, and he's the last to pick up a check. My other uncle who drives a Fed-Ex truck always beats him to it. The private jet is a necessary evil to keep from flying with the proles. If it's prostitution at all, perhaps he plays sugar daddy to a girl down there. Or simply never leaves home without his foolishly 'illegal' viagra. I think most of the TL crew is in agreement that the laws prohibiting the possesion of Viagra without a proper script, or any medication or plant, are foolish, we just can't help but take a little joy in Rush reaping the kind of government intrusion he supports. A bit childish, I grant you, but a gas none the less.

    This from a wire atory...
    Limbaugh joked about the search on his radio show Tuesday, saying Customs officials didn't believe him when he said he got the pills at the Clinton Library and he was told they were blue M&Ms. He later added, chuckling: "I had a great time in the Dominican Republic. Wish I could tell you about it."
    Hmmm...Either Larry Flynt or the National Enquirer should follow this up and find the Dominican girl(s) (or boy(s)) that Rush had a great time with. Somewhere in the DR there could be some under-age prostititute(s) sitting on a gold mine.

    Rush, Eat healthier, cut out the excessive booze and caffeine and smoking, make sure you get your minerals (especially zinc), excercise a TAD, and you'll get all the stiffies you need. Dadler, I'm guessing you're a lot younger than Limbaugh. I'm not, and my experience is that American men his age who have access to Viagra, use it. Moreover, men occasionally lend other men their Viagra--which, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, is where I figure Limbaugh got his. It's interesting that he was stupid enough to get caught in Customs with a bad 'scrip. It's interesting that his drug case could go blooie on this account. The ensuing bad publicity will be interesting. And it's interesting that he was taking it on a solo trip to a place known for its brothels. But the plain vanilla fact of Limbaugh (or any man his age) having some Viagra in the first place--hardly worth mentioning.

    Jlvngstn: Wow, we are sensitive. Well, as long as we're into personal attacks, I have to observe that you certainly know an awful lot about the inner workings of both the escort business and of these types of drugs. All I can say is; I feel bad for you, man. Hope you can one day have a normal relationship.

    rush was figuring he might have to hook up with ann coulter, for that you need industrial strength viagra,ear plugs, vicadin, penicillin, a fifth of 151 rum.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#95)
    by Dadler on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 04:50:06 PM EST
    Molly, I certainly agree, and, as I mentioned to Jlvgstn above, mine was a weak attempt at satire.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 05:06:22 PM EST
    MollyNYC - Not to brag, but no. Not all of us seasoned citizens use Viagra. It's a red state thing. ;-)

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#97)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 05:20:22 PM EST
    They never need it as long as there's a war on.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#98)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:00:38 PM EST
    Wuz, Prostitution is like any other vice in the 3rd world, inexpensive. I know a bit about vice because I believe most vice including prostitution should be legal and safe for all involved, same with dope. What is it they say? Your enemies insults reveal their most intimate fears. Perhaps you should read my "insult" and yours and do some soul searching.....

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#99)
    by Sailor on Tue Jun 27, 2006 at 07:45:18 PM EST
    It's a red state thing
    Actually redstaters are more likely to use viagra. Want links?

    alright, this needs to be said: it is my firm belief that the desire to sport a powerful erection is a universal constant in men, and can in no way be used as an indicator of political affiliation, socio-economic standing, or sexual preference. as for the pharmaceutical perils of Limbaugh, it couldn't happen to a bigger d*ck. no one can write this stuff, it's GOLD JERRY! GOLD!!

    Posted by Jlvngstn June 27, 2006 02:44 PM Next time have your mom read the post to you wuzup and tell her to do it s-l-o-w-l-y.
    Posted by Jlvngstn June 27, 2006 08:00 PM What is it they say? Your enemies insults reveal their most intimate fears.
    You certainly have some thin skin - is everyone who has a little fun at your expense automatically your enemy? That's harsh, man. Tell me, Jlvngstn, did your mom approve that post?

    As a retired pharmacist, having practiced for twenty years in Massachusetts and California, I am outraged by the casualness that Rush seems to have regarding placing pharmacists in legal jeopardy by doctor shopping and asking for mislabeled prescriptions. If Rush isn't in any trouble, the pharmacist who filled the prescription may be disciplined by the board for dispensing a prescription not based on a valid practioner-patient relationship. From the web site of the Florida Board of Pharmacy, Chapter 465, Florida State Statutes: Regulation of Professions and Occupations: Pharmacy (s) Dispensing any medicinal drug based upon a communication that purports to be a prescription as defined by s. 465.003(14) (14) "Prescription" includes any order for drugs or medicinal supplies written or transmitted by any means of communication by a duly licensed practitioner authorized by the laws of the state to prescribe such drugs or medicinal supplies and intended to be dispensed by a pharmacist. The term also includes an orally transmitted order by the lawfully designated agent of such practitioner. The term also includes an order written or transmitted by a practitioner licensed to practice in a jurisdiction other than this state, but only if the pharmacist called upon to dispense such order determines, in the exercise of her or his professional judgment, that the order is valid and necessary for the treatment of a chronic or recurrent illness. or s. 893.02(20) when the pharmacist knows or has reason to believe that the purported prescription is not based upon a valid practitioner-patient relationship. 1893.02 Definitions.--The following words and phrases as used in this chapter shall have the following meanings, unless the context otherwise requires: (6) "Dispense" means the transfer of possession of one or more doses of a medicinal drug by a pharmacist or other licensed practitioner to the ultimate consumer thereof or to one who represents that it is his or her intention not to consume or use the same but to transfer the same to the ultimate consumer or user for consumption by the ultimate consumer or user. [link deleted, not in html format]

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 06:01:21 AM EST
    WUZ - I am still waiting for a sign of intelligent life from one of your posts or at least a comment on the topic. Is there any intelligent life there or were mommy and daddy related? Kdog - I am with ya on picking at Rush and his fans, but I also think we need to stand firm in supporting him with regard to the silliness of prosecuting someone for having viagra. I would rather they prosecute him for being a jackass, at least there we can agree that he is guilty of at least being offensive.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#104)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 07:07:35 AM EST
    we need to stand firm in supporting him with regard to the silliness of prosecuting someone for having viagra
    Agreed. I guess it's too much to ask for Rush to support others in regard to the silliness of prosecuting someone for having marijuana.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#105)
    by roger on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 01:23:26 PM EST
    Kdog- I am sure that it would be asking waaay too much! J- Even a sleaze like Rush should have his drugs without fear of prosecution. I would still love to know what use he was putting it to.

    Posted by Jlvngstn June 28, 2006 07:01 AM ...were mommy and daddy related?
    Posted by Jlvngstn June 27, 2006 08:00 PM What is it they say? Your enemies insults reveal their most intimate fears.
    'nuf said.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#107)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 02:00:19 PM EST
    Wuzup, sure my grandparents were cousins I was told. And I set you up on purpose. Are you that weak? Are you so lacking in originality that you use my logic? Seriously, let me talk to one of your parents kids that lived.

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Jun 28, 2006 at 02:04:11 PM EST
    Still waiting for your contribution to the topic, or are you having trouble understanding the topic? The topic is, Rush is a fat old hypocrite that should not be prosecuted for such a ridiculous "crime". See, that is called an opinion.

    Ok all you crazed liberal honda prius driving tree hugging peace at any price weirdos.... i have come to understand the majority of you belive weed should be legalized; shouldnt viagra? Oh it is?......POINT MADE

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#110)
    by Patrick on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:39:10 PM EST
    I just heard how they got him. Seems he walked through customs with a strange bulge........

    Re: Doctors Face Investigation in Rush Limbaugh Vi (none / 0) (#111)
    by Sailor on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 01:37:44 PM EST
    Yes, Patrick, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar;-)