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Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt

Newsweek runs two blogger profiles today. One is an overt attack on Markos of Daily Kos, the liberal blogosphere and politicians who seek their support. The other is a total puff piece on conservative Hugh Hewitt and his plans to combine right-wing talk radio with right-wing bloggers and build an effective right wing political movement.

Why the venom towards Markos and the hailing of Hewitt? Both pieces come off as being written by journalists with a right-wing agenda. Even the accompanying photos show the bias. In the piece on Kos, there is no picture of him [added: on the first page of the article] only of Bush protesters in Washington state which has nothing to do with the article. For the Hewitt article, there's a nice calm photo of Hugh in suit and tie standing in front of what could be a courthouse right under the headline. It's like they are equating liberals with anarchy and conservatives with justice.

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  • Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#1)
    by zAmboni on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 11:42:05 AM EST
    page two of the Kos article has a picture of him with Warner

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:01:53 PM EST
    The only answer is that Rove is hard at work. The other question is how does he manage to pull it off. We can expect much more of this as we carreen into a 'life or death' election in November. The repugs will act like a vicious cornered animal as the elections near, but why does the MSM play along by publishing the propaganda as fact? Does Rove have secret files on the publishers or something else that they are afraid of?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:12:25 PM EST
    Didnt they put the Swift-Skank-for-Truth on the cover with an accompanying puff-piece awhile back? Meanwhile, our resident hammer of the liberal "MSM" equates Newsweek, Time, and The Nation.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#3)
    by profmarcus on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:32:59 PM EST
    as i'm sure many people have, i've been following the media uproar over the liberal/progressive blogosphere that seems to have focused on daily kos and markos in particular as its latest smear victim, and i've come to the conclusion that responses are just a waste of time and energy... if you've ever spent any time at all reading daily kos (i refuse to disclose the number of times a day i visit because it would reveal too much about my own level of obsession with the current state of affairs in the u.s.), you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that kos readers are nothing if not diverse... but, as usual, the media fails to grasp that it's a community effort... we're keeping each other informed, we're educating each other, we're constantly forming and re-forming opinions and perspectives, in short, we're having the kind of discussions this country was founded on, mediated by the internet rather than through pamphleteering a la tom paine... the sub-headline on the newsweek article tells you all you need to know about the depth of understanding in the rest of the article... The Daily Kos thinks the politics of Iraq will help him shape the Democratic Party. daily kos ain't a "him," guys...

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimcee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:39:18 PM EST
    I found both articles pretty standard stuff for Newsweek, so processed that they make Wonderbread seem like pumpernickle. As far as the bias goes I don't really see it. DailyKos was touted several times during the last Federal election as the site that was going to make Howard Dean the next POTUS and we know how well that worked out. As far as Newsweek mentioning Kos's tantrum of an e-mail it seemed that they were just stating the facts that he felt the sting of a damaging story and reacted like a spoiled child. I also noticed that he did try to deprive the story of O2 so it would die quietly so not to cause any problems in this election cycle. I also noticed that many left-of-center sites did stifle the story until it was obvious that it was going to go mainstream. The Hewitt piece on the otherhand was a puff piece in the same mould of the 2003 presidential run-up that Kos and MoveOn got from the same media. The idea that Rove has anything on Time/Warner and that is why Markos is shown in a less then flattering light is just silly. He is playing in the big leagues now and his every move will be noted by friend and foe alike. It should be interesting to see if he can take it. Perhaps he should have used some astrology from his partner to chart his course if you get my drift.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:12:44 PM EST
    How many righties and how many lefties has Newsweek had on the cover? I'd be willing to make a tidy wager that the Right is ahead at least two to one ine the last five years.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:22:13 PM EST
    Coulter, Dobson, Delay, Sharon, but someone like Chomsky (at least as internationally recognized as the first three), never in a million years.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:29:32 PM EST
    DailyKos was touted several times during the last Federal election as the site that was going to make Howard Dean the next POTUS and we know how well that worked out.
    DailyKos was touted.....by whom. And what does that say about Markos? Nothing. It says something about the 'touters'. If you think that the newsweek article is neither a hit piece (read smear) nor biased it is because you yourself are biased and just agree with the newsweek article. No need to argue with you though, the article is blatent. It paints him as a ineffective clown who isn't even funny. Obviously not true or the hit piece would never needed to be written. From kos:
    Just a quick reminder as the media nip at our heels -- We didn't get here because of them. They can praise us, they can trash us, they can ignore us, and ultimately none of that will matter as long as we keep doing what we've been doing. Whether we succeed or not will depend on our own efforts. Not those of anyone else.
    kos from atrios:
    The notion that Markos is sitting around telling bloggers what to do is just ludicrous. There are bloggers who spend time try to herd the cats somewhat through organization and discussion - not through any top-down control efforts - but Markos isn't even one of those people...
    atrios

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    I would like to see more in-depth analysis of the Jerome Armstrong case on this site. It has hardly been mentioned. We have a leading liberal blogger accused of fraud by the SEC; he accepts a permanent injunction by the federal court; and Kos telling people not to write about it. I don't think so! What about the victims of Mr. Armstrong's fraud? What about the people who believed his false and misleading posts on Raging Bull? Don't they count for something? The liberal blogosphere can't just sweep this under the rug. TalkLeft, IMO, should address the issue in a reasonable and intelligent manner, because there are plenty of issues. We shouldn't have to go to right-wing sites to get the story. Check PACER and read the documents. It isn't a pretty picture.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#10)
    by rdandrea on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:54:12 PM EST
    The reason why right-wing blogs will never be as effective a part of a political movement as left-wing blogs are to the left is that many hard-core right wingers can't read. I guess as long as they post weekly snippets from "My Pet Goat" they'll probably do OK, but how many people is that going to coax into showing up at the polls?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:58:19 PM EST
    jimcee-
    I also noticed that he did try to deprive the story of O2 so it would die quietly so not to cause any problems in this election cycle.
    Not surprising that you would distort the non published e-mail request by Markos. What he said was that
    since the case is not fully closed. But once it is, he'll go on the offensive. That should be a couple of months off.... ...My request to you guys is that you ignore this for now. It would make my life easier if we can confine the story. Then, once Jerome can speak and defend himself, then I'll go on the offensive (which is when I would file any lawsuits) and anyone can pile on.
    nice editing hack job jimcee. If you had included the quote it would be clear to anyone that got more than a second grade education that this was far from an attempt to bury the story. If this were about one of the rethugs is would be classified as top secret and there would be no comment (except for self serving leaks) because of an ongoing trial or investigation.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:06:28 PM EST
    I have no interest in discussing Jerome and the SEC. One, he stopped blogging when he started working for Warner. Two, there was no admission of wrongdoing in the settlement. Three, he is not at liberty to provide his version right now. Fourth, TalkLeft is a site that supports the rights of the persons accused of wrongdoing -- unless they are crooked cops, crooked politicans or snitches who sang for their supper. Jerome is none of those.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:10:47 PM EST
    Squeaky, What you should also consider, however, is that Armstrong's case is a civil proceeding -- he is not prohibited from speaking about it in any way. He doesn't want to speak about it, because he consented to entry of a permanent injuction for fraud. The SEC has a policy of not entering into settlements with people who go outside the courthouse and proclaim themselves innocent -- you plead guilty because you are in fact guilty. So did he violate the anti-fraud provisions of the Securities Exchange Act (as he admitted in federal court)? Why isn't that a relevant topic of discussion? I have no doubt the right wing blowhards will also try to make hay from this case, but it should be covered on TalkLeft. Any suggestion that it isn't an important case would seem to be running away from the facts, in my opinion.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#14)
    by ding7777 on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:20:41 PM EST
    TL Too bad Kos didn't put points 2 and 3 on his front page.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:21:38 PM EST
    It's not a right-wing conspiracy, but there's no question that the MSM feels much more comfortable with right-wingers than left-wingers. Or, more accurately, they consider right-wingers to be inherently mainstream and left-wingers to be inherently extreme. Compare Kos and Hewitt. Kos is a former Reagan Republican whose actual policy positions are quite moderate; it's only his rhetoric that is overheated. Hewitt is a crazed propagandist who thinks he's fighting the war on terror by sitting in the Empire State Building. But the MSM reporters think that if you're a conservative you must be out of the mainstream. Another example of that is Powerline, which was declared "blog of the year" by Time. The lead blogger of Powerline is a guy who, last year, said that all Democrats except Lieberman and Zell Miller are intentionally betraying America, called Jimmy Carter a traitor, and much more. He is a venomous, rage-filled ranter, but he's a white conservative and is therefore treated as "mainstream" by an MSM that keeps talking about how "angry" liberal bloggers are. There is no anger in the liberal blogosphere to compare with that of Hewitt (when he passive-aggressively accuses the New York Times of treason) or Hinderaker or Michelle Malkin, but the MSM rule is that if you are conservative and don't use curse words, you are assumed to be mainstream and respectable. That's the only explanation for an MSM where Ann Coulter is a suitable cover story, while the fans of pro-gun, pro-Desert-Storm Howard Dean are thought to be crazed lefties.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:27:10 PM EST
    rdandrea-good point, especially the pet goat bit. I am certain that that little episode will go down in the history books. For more along the same lines, Roger Ailes puts Hewit's blog into perspective. Smackdown. I can see why Jane
    personally send[s] Roger Ailes a fruit basket once a month just to stay on his good side.
    He has quite a gift for the acerbic smackdown, not to mention his exquisite sense of humor.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:33:28 PM EST
    One other thing I noticed in both those articles is that nobody in the MSM or the Hewitt-verse seems to understand the secret of Daily Kos's success: the diary feature allows people to have their posts read by a large audience. If you post a diary on Kos that makes the "recommended" list, the audience you get is huge, much bigger than you could ever get for your own individual blog. And so what keeps people coming back to Daily Kos is not Kos himself, but that it allows anyone to be a blogging star. Most of the best writing on Kos is done in the diaries -- some of the worst writing, too, but that's the point; anyone can contribute. The article on Kos doesn't get this, since it portrays Kos as the star of the site and barely mentions the diaries. And Hewitt certainly doesn't get it (does he get anything?), since he's structuring Townhall as a top-down operation where the hosts will pontificate and the readers will drink in their wisdom. He doesn't understand the community nature of Daily Kos at all -- perhaps because today's conservatives don't understand community, period.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:45:48 PM EST
    graphicus-
    you plead guilty because you are in fact guilty.
    It that really always true. Markos claims that he did not have the $$$ to defend his case. Also when a potential civil suit is to follow. isn't is an advantage to keep quiet until the civil suit starts up? Admittedly, I do not know much more about the piece save for the back and forth bewteen atrios and TNR, although Markos request makes sense to me as a layperson. So a couple of questions for you: Why do you think it is so important to write about this now? Whose benefit would it serve? As to the victims of Mr. Armstrong's fraud, as you put it, how would they benefit by reporting here? And, most curious of all, what is your personal interest in all this? Intellectual curiosity? Politics? Or do you have another iron in the fire?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:53:34 PM EST
    Rover is orchestrating this. There's another OpEd just like this re Kos by Brooks in the Week in Review section of today's Sunday NYT. This all seems to be part of a campaign which has also included a fairly scurilous row of anti-blogger articles in the Washington Post pointed at TruthOut. I would hazard a guess that Rover somehow managed to set up TruthOut last month--the Leopold incident reminded me of several just like it mentioned in the movie Bush's Brain. Dare I say that Rover is afraid of us? Yeah, why the hell not?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 03:01:16 PM EST
    Actually, JohnShreffler, the TruthOut fiasco showed the increasing responsibility of the liberal blogosphere. Most of the big liberal blogs didn't jump on Jason Leopold's nonsense. Kos and the other front-pagers at Daily Kos didn't touch it (the diarists did, of course, but the site can't control what diarists post), Atrios didn't, Digby didn't, Josh Marshall didn't, Tapped didn't. There were a few high-profile liberal blogs that fell for Leopold, including this one (odd how the "moderate" liberals tend to be more gullible about these things than the so-called angry lefties). But all in all it was a good performance by the lefty blogosphere, and a clear contrast to how the righty blogosphere goes crazy over every phony "news" story about how Saddam really had WMD or how some Democratic veteran was really a coward.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 03:14:31 PM EST
    TL: I like your reply above. May I respectfully point out your support of the soldiers and marines accused in wrongdoing does not come through in those postings. Was there ever a "Townhouse" mailing list?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 04:16:20 PM EST
    Hmm. Possibly, it's due to the fact that Hewitt doesn't "raise his voice" on his blog, and is typically polite in his interviews. As opposed to Markos "screw them" Moulitsas. It's that whole honey/vinegar thing.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 04:34:31 PM EST
    Hmm. Possibly, it's due to the fact that Hewitt doesn't "raise his voice" on his blog, and is typically polite in his interviews. As opposed to Markos "screw them" Moulitsas. It's that whole honey/vinegar thing.
    Yeah, and Hewitt is constantly dithering in fake concern over how "uncivil" the lefty blogosphere is -- and in this, as with so much else, Hewitt is as one with the MSM reporters and pundits, who are appalled by what they see as the mean name-calling of the lefty bloggers. It's all bunk, though. What matters is not the "tone" of a blogger but what he's actually saying. Hewitt and the Powerline boys politely, without swearing, call for journalists to be thrown in jail. Michelle Malkin, without swearing, praises internment camps and stirs up racial rage. I don't care how many f-words Kos uses; there's almost nothing that appears on Daily Kos that has the kind of viciousness you'd get on an average episode of Rush Limbaugh. The way I like to put it is this: liberal bloggers and media personalities (like Franken) encourage hatred of individual politicians, usually conservative ones, plus individual journalists. The conservative media, including the blogs, encourages hatred against a class of people called "liberals" -- which is to say, they're encouraging hatred and loathing of millions of Americans. Yet the MSM thinks that anti-liberal rage is mainstream, but anti-Bush rage is not. Interesting priorities.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 05:31:01 PM EST
    I agree that little could be gained in discussing the specifics of Jerome's past, resolved dealings. I do, however, think that a worthy discussion exists in the underlying problem of influence used in a conflict of interest in the blogiverse. There might be interesting connections between the apparently unrelated developments in current news. Most of them might help explain the increased attacks on the Left/blogs credibility. Most of the hit pieces do follow previous patterns that follow Rove, regardless of his responsibility. The acceptance of misinformation is the power he uses. It's funny that credit is given for 'not falling for TruthOut/Leopold's story'. This assumes that Rove's lawyer and his public relations rep, Corallo, who might actually have had an active role early on, are believed 100%. The assumption that is presented to the public is accepted without proof. It might not be wrong but it might not be entirely accurate either. What new news might be developing that Rove and many close to him would like to be forgotten or ignored? How about this ...from Dkos?
    Massive Abramoff document dump = BIG Trouble for the GOP  * Reed: An Idelogue "as Far as The Cash Goes"
     * Ralph Reed: "Kind of Like Hypocritical"
     * Scanlon, Evil Elf, Dirty Tricks Guy
     * Committee: Reed, Norquist Used as Pass-Throughs
     * Senate Abramoff Report Available Now
    That's just a random return on a Google search. Remeber the fiasco of CBS and the memo? Besides the fact that the memo's content was never totally refuted and never conclusively proven forged, the main impact it achieved at that time was this...
    The Story That Didn't Run Here's the piece that '60 Minutes' killed for its report on the Bush Guard documents Sept. 22, 2005 - In its rush to air its now discredited story about President George W. Bush's National Guard service, CBS bumped another sensitive piece slated for the same "60 Minutes" broadcast: a half-hour segment about how the U.S. government was snookered by forged documents purporting to show Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium from Niger. ... The journalistic juggling at CBS provides an ironic counterpoint to the furor over apparently bogus documents involving Bush's National Guard service. One unexpected consequence of the network's decision was to wipe out a chance--at least for the moment--for greater public scrutiny of a more consequential forgery that played a role in building the Bush administration's case to invade Iraq. A team of "60 Minutes" correspondents and consulting reporters spent more than six months investigating the Niger uranium documents fraud, CBS sources tell NEWSWEEK. The group landed the first ever on-camera interview with Elisabetta Burba, the Italian journalist who first obtained the phony documents, as well as her elusive source, Rocco Martino, a mysterious Roman businessman with longstanding ties to European intelligence agencies. ...full article at link above
    And, speaking of Isikoff and Newsweek, not funny that this next hit happened to them...from SusanHu at Dkos
    (Official Retraction) The Newsweek Backtrack: Did the Right Win a Game of Chicken? The pressure on Newsweek is intense. The rightwing machine descended, blaming its report for riots in Afghanistan, Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, Pakistan and Indonesia. Even a UK newspaper headlined Newsweek's guilt for the global riots. What did Newsweek print? ...more
    Now, the irony of that is that Isikoff received his info from anon, inside sources and let officials approve his story before it ran. Isikoff/Newsweek got Punk'd big time on that one. Take a look at the pile of indictable offenses that were just released that this administration cannot hope to even crawl away from. Rove's only hope is to misdirect the righteous outrage to mutual self destruction of both left and right bloggers by setting them up against each other. Another coincidence that the SWIFT story breaks and the admin claims it destroys our terror fighting skills. Republican urges prosecution of 'treasonous' New York Times This program follows the Swiss bank accounts that were previously safe and likely used by folks implicated in the document dump. Add the recent bust of the ineffective Liberty City group as Bush haters and the stage is set to also kill this free speech thing once and for all. One thing seems to hold true. He uses and laughs as contenptuously at the left and right alike.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimcee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 06:02:23 PM EST
    Squeaky, I didn't judiciously edit Markos' e-mail I just paraphrased what he requested of his compatriots. His 'private e-mail' as you call it was turned over to the owner of TNR and he responded by pulicizing it which is his perogative. Either way it doesn't change the fact that this is twice in the last month that Lefty bloggers have been caught out, Jason Leopold's fantasy Rove indictment and now Markos trying (poorly IMHO) to stop an investigation by others into his partner's stock fraud and there has not been any questioning of his motives from his defenders. If the DailyKos is as strong of voice for the Left as some would have us believe then Markos wouldn't need firstly to try to quash any rumours and secondly he wouldn't need fantasists spinning yarns about how KKKArl Rove (who we all know has sold his soul to Satan ala Robert Johnson) is the puppeteer of all the MSM and Svengali to the great unwashed. Rdandrea, Now, now with the non-reading righty snipes because you couldn't possibly know the reading habits of those you deign too stupid for you to associate with. Me I'm in the middle of Umberto Eco's Bardolino right now and it is a very enjoyable book. You might like it.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 06:11:08 PM EST
    If the DailyKos is as strong of voice for the Left as some would have us believe then Markos wouldn't need firstly to try to quash any rumours
    uhh, dude, the whole point is that he isn't and he didn't. Try to pay attention. The rest of what you wrote is just speculumation*. * speculumation - using a tool (e.g. Jonah Goldberg) to pull stuff out of your orifices.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 06:27:07 PM EST
    Either way it doesn't change the fact that this is twice in the last month that Lefty bloggers have been caught out, Jason Leopold's fantasy Rove indictment
    Leopold isn't a blogger.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 07:11:56 PM EST
    Squeaky, You asked whether people always plead guilty because they are guilty. The answer is of course not. One of the ironies of confessions is that people plead guilty quite often to crimes they didn't commit. In the case of Mr. Armstrong, one of the things that can be said on his behalf is that he didn't have the money to hire an attorney and tried to defend himself pro se. This is almost always a prescription for disaster. You note a potential civil suit to follow. This is most likely hot air, IMHO. One who has just been found guilty of fraud, even civilly, is in no position to sue for libel. Similarly, the idea that he "can't talk" seems starkly in contrast to the incessant leaking of Rove, Libby and many others who are facing far heavier criminal sanctions, not just the toothless SEC and a civil suit. Lastly, you ask my interest. I have no more interest in this matter than any other reader -- just curiosity and opinion. My opinion is that the questions surrounding this case should be fleshed out. When did Markos learn of Mr. Armstrong's legal difficulties? Why were they not disclosed earlier? Why doesn't Mr. Armstrong hire an attorney now -- he's been working for months and has certainly been paid? I don't mind the pro-Armstrong position being made here, but I do think the case should be covered. I don't think it has peaked, and I think the sooner we come to grips with this problem (not avoid it or try to "starve it of oxygen") the better. Good luck.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 07:18:28 PM EST
    There's no way to know but I'm curious why people would think this is due to Rove rather than Sen Clinton's people? I imagine that Rove has other fish to fry but the Clinton wing of the Dem Party has a very direct interest (duh) in controlling who leads the Party, who speaks for the Party, who sets priorities for the Party, who decides on issues/strategy for upcoming elections.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 08:12:06 PM EST
    I didn't judiciously edit Markos' e-mail I just paraphrased
    You did not paraphrase, you quoted. You left off the part that negated your claim that
    Then, once Jerome can speak and defend himself, then I'll go on the offensive (which is when I would file any lawsuits) and anyone can pile on.
    I also noticed that he did try to deprive the story of O2 so it would die quietly so not to cause any problems in this election cycle.
    Die quietly? Hmmm, sounds like you are biased.
    As far as the bias goes I don't really see it.
    How does this sound:
    As far as Newsweek mentioning Kos's tantrum of an e-mail it seemed that they were just stating the facts that he felt the sting of a damaging story and reacted like a spoiled child.
    Not a bit of bias in that, eh?
    Either way it doesn't change the fact that this is twice in the last month that Lefty bloggers have been caught out
    Yes quite a record given that even if true, it a inconcequetal compared to the daily lies and spin spewing out of Wingnuttia. The rest of your comment is at best a contorted spin on spin, as nothing is true. I guess Markos bashing is fashionable these days. I am certain that your point in even bringing it up was to show that democrats should not be trusted leading America. Really funny, if you think about it. Considering...

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 08:20:47 PM EST
    Squeaky, Here are some more questions that might be relevant: 1. Did Mr. Armstrong make any money from the stock fraud? What should become of the ill-gotten gains (if any)? 2. Do you believe this was the first and only time he participated in such a scheme? 3. The Left has rightly been critical of WaPo and NYT soft treatment of the Administration. Shouldn't the left blogs submit this matter to the same scrutiny (albeit fair scrutiny) that we insist upon for others? Just some thoughts. G.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 08:25:53 PM EST
    graphicus-
    good luck.
    Why do you wish me good luck? Good luck for what?

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 08:39:19 PM EST
    Graphicus, this is not about Jerome. It's about the media attacks on Markos. I've answered once as to why Jerome is not going to be dissected here, now please, stay on topic.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 08:55:33 PM EST
    Jim,MtnViewCA,USA-Clinton? Not impossible but it wouldn't serve her particularly well. Having kos strong is better for her and her party, even if kos personally doesn't support her. On the other hand to be able to discredit or even taint the left blogosphere would be a Rovian wetdream.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 09:07:23 PM EST
    Squeaky: "Good luck" was just a polite expression, since I tried to answer some questions you directed to me. TL: Your site, your call. I'll consider this the end of the matter.

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 09:13:16 PM EST
    graphicus
    Squeaky: "Good luck" was just a polite expression, since I tried to answer some questions you directed to me.
    Thanks. That is kind of you, good luck to you as well!

    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 10:01:58 PM EST
    Another blogger casualty. TRex was just carted off to an military asylum. Luckily for us he was able to reveal the evil truth about kos. TRex
    Ladies and gentlemen, this may be the last transmission from me that you receive.  By revealing the information I am about to entrust to you, I am placing my life in grave danger.  I have locked myself in the FDL control tower and will broadcast as long as I am able, but already I hear the warble of alarms deep within the bowels of the building and I fear that my time is near.  Tell my family and friends that I love them and that I died fighting for the truth.


    Re: Jeers to Newsweek : Kos and Hewitt (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 06:12:18 AM EST
    Kos is one of the best friends the Republicans have. You think Newsweek is run by Rove? How about Kos? You have to ask yourself why candidates he backs have such a dismal win/loss ratio. MIHOP?