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Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread

There's a lot going on today, feel free to weigh in on these or other topics:

  • Crooks and Liars has finally left Radioland behind and moved to Wordpress. The site looks the same but will be so much easier for us to navigate and John to manage.
  • Jane's sister writes in at Firedoglake to thank everyone for their kind words on their mother's passing. And Parachutec does Late Nite FDL with a video of Bob Dylan doing Subterranean Homesick Blues. The tag line of TalkLeft since inception has been "The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles." Great choice.
  • The Miami 7 are chickenfeed: See Juan Cole. I hope he won't mind me quoting a couple of paragraphs:

[M]ost terrorism is a form of educated, middle class politics, this particular group clearly grew out of the grievances and resentments of race and class inequality in the United States.

The sister of one was just on MSNBC saying that he deeply resented Bush spending money to drop bombs on poor people who could not defend themselves, while depriving the poor in the United States of any support. "We are not capable," she said. This is a theory of class war, connecting the poor of Kut with the poor of Miami's inner city. The city, by the way, has horrific levels of unemployment.

The position of the poor and workers in particular is deteriorating in the US, as more and more of the privately held wealth is concentrated in the hands of a white, privileged, few. The unions have been gutted, the minimum wage is inadequate, and racist attitudes are reemerging on a worrisome scale. Cities such as Detroit, New Orleans and Miami continue to witness enormous strains coming mainly from racist attitudes. In this case, the best counter-terrorism would be more social justice.

This meshes with my view of Iraq expressed Saturday:

We didn't belong there in the first instance and any American life that can be saved by not staying a day longer than necessary is worth it. Let them have their country back and let's tend to the problems we have at home. The money this war is costing is obscene. New Orleans is dying and another hurricane and wild fire season is about to begin. Did you see the poverty in Liberty City today? How many other cities are there like that in the U.S.? How many Americans don't have health care? How many millions of Americans have paid a lifetime into social security and are likely to face cuts because of the deficit that will result from this colossal mistake of a preemptive war entered on false assumptions at best and at worst, outright lies?

  • NY Times columnist David Brooks rips Markos of Daily Kos, calling him "The Keyboard Kingpin." It's behind the Times firewall which I won't pay for on principle, but I've read a copy someone sent me and it is stupid enough that there's no reason for anyone else to pay to read it. TBogg, James Wolcott, Sadly No and Lindsay weigh in. Markos responds:

We didn't get here because of them. They can praise us, they can trash us, they can ignore us, and ultimately none of that will matter as long as we keep doing what we've been doing. Whether we succeed or not will depend on our own efforts. Not those of anyone else.

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  • Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:24:42 AM EST
    [M]ost terrorism is a form of educated, middle class politics, this particular group clearly grew out of the grievances and resentments of race and class inequality in the United States.
    The really great irony here is that Miami has been the center of the anti-Castro Cuban terrorist operations for the past 47 years. And these have all been steadfastly supported by the U.S. government.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by zAmboni on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 03:00:32 AM EST
    Soooooooo.... When are the DoJ and FBI going to arrest Ann Coulter for domestic terrorism operations? While she has only fantasized publically about bombing the building that houses the NY Times, and having John Murtha murdered. I'm sure that Gonzalez could be ceative in developing charges for her calls for violence. One could call it a public soliciation for someone to commit these violent acts.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
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    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by scribe on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 06:24:36 AM EST
    Vis-a-vis the hell-on-earth conditions of Liberty City making a breeding ground for knuckleheads and wannabe whackos, I note the following article from today's New York Post:
    June 25, 2006 -- NEW ORLEANS - Asian tsunami-relief workers touring New Orleans yesterday were shocked by the devastation and slow pace of recovery nearly 10 months after Hurricane Katrina struck. The relief workers were in New Orleans to share information about recovering from disasters. "It looked a lot like Aceh six months after the tsunami," said Tom Kerr of the Asian Coalition for Housing Rights. The 2004 tsunami killed 230,000 and left 43,000 missing. Katrina killed more than 1,500 in Louisiana. "I'm surprised to see why the reconstruction work is so slow, because this is supposed to be one of the most rich and efficient countries in the world," said Thai community organizer Somsook Boonyabancha.
    While I'm not a fan of the Post's journalistic accuracy, this article is too short for them to mess with. Moreover, it reflects the reality of the situation - the Rethugs have an deep interest in keeping poverty going - it provides them with the dark-skinned criminals they can use to frighten the lighter-skinned among us into following them down the road to authoritarianism. They've been doing it for a generation; remember Reagan's fictional welfare queens driving a Caddy to the welfare office to pick up checks for her fourteen kids from a mess of different fathers? Remember the "Coming generation of super-predators" Bob Dole and Orrin Hatch waved about to scare more stringent criminal laws and draconian sentences into existence? Just two examples.... Or, as a post on FDL said yesterday: "We had a class war in this country. The rich won."

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 09:04:07 AM EST
    When are the DoJ and FBI going to arrest Ann Coulter for domestic terrorism operations? While she has only fantasized publicly about bombing the building that houses the NY Times, and having John Murtha murdered.
    Or there's Bolton who would lop off the top ten floors of the UN. That was in a public speech. One can only wonder what threats he, Coulter, Limbaugh, Robertson et al, have said to officials in private. Guaranteed, those private comments would make the 'private' comments the Miami 7 uttered look like the babble of nursery school kids.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Pol on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 10:50:13 AM EST
    Newsweek has a vile story about Markos this week. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13531726/site/newsweek/ What is this? Is it gang up on Kos time?

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 11:29:18 AM EST
    pol-
    What is this? Is it gang up on Kos time?
    Rove must sees kos as threat and is doing what he does best: smear the messenger by accusing him of having the very weaknesses that the pugs have. Seems to work like a charm. Atrios links to another MSM regurgitation of Rove's spin. Ironically in this story there is no reference to 'cut and run'. It is as if the Republicans have always supported troop withdrawal by 2007. Read together these two stories, undoubtedly showing Roves handiwork, are rather hilarious. Obviously the newsweek article was written before Rove decided to do what the dems have had on the table for awhile now. Cut and run has magically morphed into "top commander of forces in Iraq projects troop drawdowns through 2007". While the newsweek story is all about the pugs staying course and the dems as disorganized cowards acting like buffoons. Newsweek is outa touch? Nah, the multifaceted mutually contradictory Rovian strategy does not have to withstand scrutiny, it just has to win votes by smearing the dems at every given opportunity. Funny that the dems have been consistent and the pugs are constantly flipflopping while at the same time accusing the dems of being "all over the place" . Josh Marshall points out that the pugs have no plan. They just say whatever seems the most opportune PR strategy of the moment. As linked textatrios points out, another one "down the memory hole." Yes, I know that the MSM are not helping, but are Americans really that gullible?

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by ding7777 on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 11:34:44 AM EST
    I have no idea of the merits of the SEC and Jerome Armstrong situation (and still don't). But Kos should have told us what he knows about it - a one or two line front page note would have sufficed. But to ignore it and then ask his fellow bloggers to ignore it too - shades of Republican hurbis

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:11:27 PM EST
    This photo by FDL community member Philo is a winner as well.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:44:43 PM EST
    The trouble is, there are alot of Roves. Some alot smarter and with alot more animal cunning than Rove. The cold-blooded scaley ones can be counted on for one thing: absolutly anything to win . Burglery, wiretaps, arms deals with "the enemy" and October Suprises, putting family values aside in order to expose the nation to cheap porno, scaring the bejesus out of the folks with color-coded terror alerts..

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 12:53:57 PM EST
    Jondee-
    The trouble is, there are alot of Roves.
    I beg to differ. yes, there are many nasty scheming self serving opportunists who have zero moral or ethical fiber, who would sell out their mothers and children for a bit more pie, but Rove is in a class by himself. He is an evil genius. The only one who comes close to rivaling his utter nefariousness is Barbara Comstock.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    Squeaky - I would posit a few of the PNAC signatories and a few Norquists as being right up (or down) in the same league with the steamimg turd-blossom. The "genius" is, in my opinion, 90% warchest whoring and, as I mentioned before, the Machievellian (or Straussian) willingness to do whatever it takes.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:07:23 PM EST
    ..And they all always stay on the same page.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 01:15:48 PM EST
    Squeak, Love the photo-political ad. That car off the cliff logo is priceless and perfect for an anti-stay the course campaign. For T-shirts, the logo with a cirle and line through it and a caption that reads something like "Stay the Course, my ass!!" or something actually clever. Good stuff.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by Johnny on Sun Jun 25, 2006 at 02:35:07 PM EST
    Attention all wrongwingers! Think Ann Coulter is not an idiot? See if you can tell the difference between Ann Coulter and Adolf Hitler: Quiz

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Slado on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:03:42 AM EST
    More proof of AQ and Saddam link... WMD For a complete re-cap surf over to the weekly standard.

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by soccerdad on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:13:26 AM EST
    Meanwhile in the other war we are losing:
    Many Afghans and some foreign supporters say they are losing faith in President Hamid Karzai's government, which is besieged by an escalating insurgency and endemic corruption and is unable to protect or administer large areas of the country.
    snip
    "There is an awful feeling that everything is lurching downward," said a Western diplomat, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Nearly five years on, there is no rule of law, no accountability. The Afghans know it is all a charade, and they see us as not only complicit but actively involved. You cannot fight a terror war and build a weak state at the same time, and it was a terrible mistake to think we could."
    LINK Are we safer yet?

    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peaches on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 09:36:06 AM EST
    More proof of AQ and Saddam link... WMD For a complete re-cap surf over to the weekly standard.
    Slado, I posted this on another thread, but I thought it worth repeating. CIA analyst Paul Pillar has this to say about the Weekly Standard, Saddam and AQ link.
    This has come out of things like articles in The Weekly Standard and so on. It's basically laundry lists of raw reporting in which if you make certain inferences. There's some kind of connection. There was a phone call made, or there was a meeting held. Indeed, there were some meetings held back early in the 1990s between individuals associated with the Saddam regime [and] individuals associated with Al Qaeda. They were mainly in the nature of feeling each other out, certainly nothing that came close to an alliance or a sponsorship or cooperative relationship. But in the world of international terrorism, ... it's possible to link just about anyone to just about anyone else. If you dig hard enough for enough circumstantial reporting, meetings, phone calls, names that come up in the same breath, travel to the same place at about the same time, you and I could be seen to have a relationship, probably, if someone worked hard enough at linking us through such things like that. That's very different from forming an analytic judgment about what is the nature of the relationship we had. ... It becomes very easy to use raw reporting to try to make the case that there is a substantial relationship, losing sight of the fact that relationships can be ones of suspicion or even competition, as well as ones of cooperation. In the case of the one we're talking about, Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq, [it] was more the former: suspicion of feeling each other out.


    Re: Sunday Blogorama and Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 10:53:26 AM EST
    Is Our president picking up on a theme of Pat Robertson and now openly advocating assassinations?
    "Certainly nobody is going to deny First Amendment rights. But the New York Times and other news organizations ought to think long and hard about whether a public's right to know in some cases might override somebody's right to live," Snow said.
    link