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Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Supplies to Nola

I'm not sure what to make of this: The Red Cross reports:

  • Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.
  • The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
  • The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

  • The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.
  • The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.
  • The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

Steve Rose at Daily Kos has more. Further confirmation was had on Larry King:

Joining us now in Washington is Marty Evans, the President and CEO of the American Red Cross. She traveled with the president today. The Red Cross is not in New Orleans, why?

MARTY EVANS, RED CROSS PRESIDENT AND CEO: Well, Larry, when the storm
came our goal was prior to landfall to support the evacuation. It was
unsafe to be in the city. We were asked by the city not to be there and the Superdome was made a shelter of last resorts and, quite frankly in retrospect, it was a good idea because otherwise those people would have had no shelter at all.

We have our shelters north of the city. We're prepared as soon as they can be evacuated, we're prepared to receive them in Texas, in other states, but it was not safe to be in the city and it's not been safe to go back into the city. They were also concerned that if we located, relocated back into the city people wouldn't leave and they've got to leave.

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    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#2)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    These Red Cross folk better beware-if they enter, the national guard has every right to shoot them dead.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#3)
    by Paralegal on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    The president just encouraged people to donate to organizations because $$ was what was needed most. Now they are denying access to an organization that has $$ & resources... Again, what kind of BS is this? We have donated money to the Red Cross because we THOUGHT they'd be in New Orleans to help with the crisis.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#4)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    realistically, i don't think, given the present situation, that was ever in the cards. from reading multiple reports on this issue, here's what i think the scenario is: the assets being brought into NO by the military are for the sole purpose of maintenance, until those people can be removed from the city and relocated elsewhere. no permanent facilities are going to be established, because the flooding precludes that. the red cross will establish facilities elsewhere, awaiting the people as they are removed from NO. this makes the most sense, though you may not like it.

    Paralegal, one reason is the troops are still fighting in the streets. so you can't have the Red Cross inside that dead city, the other reason is, the bush boys hate the Red Cross, because of how the money was used from 9-11, and FEMA'S "head guy", only wants his people in the media stories looking good on CNN\FOX\MSMBC. you can only really find out what is happening in the foreign media.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#6)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
    What planet are these agencies from? Do they actually believe that all the people we see begging to be evacuated would change their mind and stay in New Orleans if they were provided with food and supplies? If the plan was to encourage them to evacuate, how were they supposed to evacuate without a vehicle and if they are surrounded by water?

    A panelist on Washington Week Tonight reported that a doctor at Charity hospital had operated on Al Gore's son years ago and he had somehow communicated with Al Gore who made arrangements for two American Airlines planes to evacuate patients to hospitals which had agreed to take them.†† But FEMA would not approve the plan because they can only work with public officials and Al Gore is now a private citizen. In general, they also said that for whatever reason FEMA can only work with public institutions, they cannot provide assistance to private hospitals.† The transcript is supposed to be up on www.pbs.org at least Monday noon. Utter incompetence in the face of dire emergency. Someone, fire these people, please.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:07 PM EST
    Litz - Like it or not you can't have people just flying in, on their own, to get people out. Especially in a situation in which criminals in the local population are shooting at rescue teams.

    How is this for stupendous naivetť: But noting her own roots in Alabama, and her father's in Louisiana, Dr. Rice announced plans to visit the region this weekend and said, "That Americans would somehow in a color-affected way decide who to help and who not to help - I just don't believe it." This is a comment by Condy Rice. ????????????????????????????????????

    These Red Cross folk better beware-if they enter, the national guard has every right to shoot them dead.
    On a spectrum ranging from hospitable to hostile, this is on the gratuitously hostile end. It also shows an uttler lack of conservative principle: so much for the notion that conservatives want to encourage privatization on every level, and want to discourage big government. Why work with the Red Cross, if that means missing an opportunity to shoot them? It's one thing to draw the line concerning how the state should provide for the most deprived persons of a country: this is the basic difference between conservatives and liberals. It's a wholly different matter to take an obvious sadisitic enjoyment in keeping deprived people deprived, and to obviously relish the thought of shooting the Red Cross. And that is disgusting. Keeping the Red Cross out and ensuring that they will be less effective than they might be will discourage donations to the Red Cross.

    There is no sense of urgency from Bushwa at all. Just talk of all the years it is going to take to rebuild. Apparently the people who are dying right now are of no concern to Republicans

    Only a troll like Jim would pretend there is no difference between keeping small freelance rescue operators out, and barring the freaking Red Cross, the premire disaster relief org. out of New Orleans. It appears the admin. has become more concerned about spin and managing perceptions than actually rescuing people.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#14)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    You can visit w.redcross.org and download a volunteer application form. The can classify their volunteers depending upon individual skills. You then sign up for orientation/training. Then wait for the call. The Red cross is going to need people forever, and for this particular disaster, for many months. I realize that not all of us can do this, due to age, health or life commitments. But if you are able bodies and eventually will have some time off, it should be in the front of your minds. Just a suggestion for those feeling kind of helpless to assist.

    As an "axis-of-weasels"-member (Germany) I'd like to tell you all about the feeling of surrealism I have. Not because of the pictures I've seen during the last few days... It is the lack of will and/or ability of the world's only super-power to ask for support overseas. Or am I the one who is arrogant?

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#16)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    kukipingu-
    ďIt is the lack of will and/or ability of the world's only super-power to ask for support overseas. Or am I the one who is arrogant?Ē
    The US hardly lacks the resources to deal with this disaster. I canít imagine what could be used in the immediate that could be arranged for and shipped from Germany. The problem is organization and leadership. However, consider yourself asked; open up your wallet and send some euros. While youíre at it, send a letter to Chancellor Schroeder and ask him to quite fighting US military base closures in Germany (no matter how much they contribute to your economy); we could use them back here. And yes, since you asked, you do seem arrogant.

    has jackson called condy rice a race hate person yet? he is calling just about every person he can find a racsits/bigot, but do you know what jackson wants?..3 billion in his back book, oh yes dick just cut the big deal with bush and business with low paid illegals from mexico and south america to do the work of rebuilding the city under big money guys at halliburton, what a joke of a non country. the red cross can come inside the city to feed the low paid mexican workers so bush and dick can make some more money, watch and see if i am right.
    or in the words of your government leaders..The business of the new world order is doing the little guys for the big money ideals of the few.
    Red Cross how racist of you all, and soon to be no more in the new idea of bush order.

    ACtually, if you read the Red Cross release, it specifies that they can help people around New Orleans because officials want to get everyone OUT of the city. If the Red Cross sets up shop in the city, people will come back and want to stay there. So why would that be so terrible to bring aid inside the city? Because the city is dangerous as hell. The water is foul and full of disease. Cholera and typhoid are real threats. Also, the water is filled with chemicals and other soil. There are cars and other hazards floating around. Building are burning and firefighters can't get to them. That's why the Red Cross isn't in there. (I also believe the Red Cross is not on the frontlines of wars either, but is a few rows back.) What we need is to get all those 200 schoolbuses sitting in New Orleans to get people out. Oh. The Mayor forgot to order those buses into action Sunday. So I guess we can't use those.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#19)
    by LorettaNall on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    How is this for stupendous naivetť: But noting her own roots in Alabama, and her father's in Louisiana, Dr. Rice announced plans to visit the region this weekend and said, "That Americans would somehow in a color-affected way decide who to help and who not to help - I just don't believe it." This is a comment by Condy Rice. ????????????????????????????????????
    Apparently the good Dr. Rice has not made it around to the Mobile Alabama Forums to see how people are reacting. Pay special attention to what the user FoxFire13 has to say on all of this. In one post she reveals that she is the daughter of a Mobile County Sheriffs Deputy. I can only guess that is how her daddy taught her to act in public. In one post that has since been removed at my request she states "Give me a .50 cal...It's time to take a road trip to New Orleans..I'm Pissed" It sickens me to know that one American can look upon another American and say they deserve to suffer and die because they have the misfortune of being poor and black. Among the many things that Hurricane Katrina laid bare in her wake was any notion that racial equality exists in America or that much of anything has changed for t he better here in the South since the civil rights movement. So, yeah, come on down Condi. But be forewarned that a serious reality check awaits you when you get here.

    The Red Cross should be at the airport, at the very least. This is absurd.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#21)
    by Avedon on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    Have they even started letting people leave again? Last I looked, they had barricaded the only exit out of New Orleans and were not letting people leave the convention center. It's as if they'd been locked in and left to die.

    So, yeah, come on down Condi. But be forewarned that a serious reality check awaits you when you get here.
    Condi would take a .50 cal and do the job of getting rid of the homeless people herself if her boss asked her to.

    The overwhelmingly poor people that are now stranded in New Orleans are all de facto under arrest. That is the way in which they are being treated. Treat people like prisoners and they will act as such. Law enforcement is the mission of the National Guard - they are there to protect property while others try to repair the basic infrastructure. Nothing here is different people - money and property is paramount - humanitarian aid is a secondary priority.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    barricaded the only exit out of New Orleans and were not letting people leave the convention center
    Question: That barricade, unless I'm misinformed, is manned by National Guard. They will not the people inside leave. Those people have been there for nearly 6 days, with no food, no medical teatment or supplies, and no fresh water. Are we to think that the Guard troops manning that barricade are doing it without food and water??? Give me a break - I'm not anywhere as dumb as I look... If the Guard can deliver food and water to those troops they can send in one extra truckload of food, water, and medecine...

    Nothing here is different people - money and property is paramount - humanitarian aid is a secondary priority.
    That's why Bush nominated an estate planning lawyer to head what I prefer to call the Federal Estate Planning Agency: the job is to "plan" the estates that are left in the wake of catastrophe. It's an insidious and macabre way to exercise the new expanded powers of eminent domain. You can't have the Red Cross interfering with that. Assigning troops to defend the Red Cross is out of the question--fewer people might die, and there might be fewer estates to "plan."

    I still don't understand. it's 1:30pm on Saturday Eastern time, and they *still* haven't bussed or freakin' flown everyone out of the Astrodome and the Convention Center? Not even after last night's pained (for mainstream media) coverage by Geraldo and Shep? Does any one know right at this moment if buses are lining up at the convention center? It's genocide, that's what it is. The Red Cross and rescue efforts should at least be giving water and food while people are getting the hell out of there. There's nothing wrong with that. The world is outraged. Hell, they should have set up shop in the very beginning and no one seems to know why they didn't set up shop there on friggin Sunday/Monday. This is total genocide.

    Hmmm.. it couldn't be because the more survivors and people get out, the more truth gets out could it?

    Since its beginning, the American Red Cross has done its work in the most dangerous disaster and war zones as the events progressed. Their history recounts Clara Barton's heroics: "At Antietam, by ordering the driver of her supply wagon to "follow the cannon," ... She wrote, "The point I always tried to make was to succor the wounded until medical aid and supplies could come up - I could run the risk; it made no difference to anyone if I were shot or taken prisoner." At Fredericksburg, she crossed the Rappahannock on a bridge shaken by artillery fire to help a federal surgeon. A bursting shell tore her clothing. On reaching the field hospital, she gave comfort and care to the wounded and dying through the night and into the next day." The Red Cross knows how to function in dangerous places. Inability of Bush and his team including Homeland Security and FEMA, to take advantage of Red Cross is just one more example of absent leadership, inability to coordinate and orchestrate big projects, a basic disinterest in the necessary functions of a federal government. And once again, Bush has demonstrated the most cowardly paralysis in the face of a crisis that demanded immediate and significant action. Send back to the reading room and give him a copy of MY PET GOAT. This is work for grown-ups.

    Under arrest? These people would be better of at Gitmo. At least there they'd get two kinds of fruit.

    Calling all lawyers to check out the Stafford Act, FEMA's guiding legislation on disasters which specifically places the Red Cross outside the limits of the mandated Federal response: In order to effectuate the purposes of this Act, the Federal coordinating officer, within the affected area, shall-- 1. make an initial appraisal of the types of relief most urgently needed; 2. establish such field offices as he deems necessary and as are authorized by the President; 3. coordinate the administration of relief, including activities of the State and local governments, the American National Red Cross, the Salvation Army, the Mennonite Disaster Service, and other relief or disaster assistance organizations, which agree to operate under his advice or direction, except that nothing contained in this Act shall limit or in any way affect the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross under the Act of January 5, 1905, as amended (33 Stat. 599) [36 U.S.C. ßß 1 et seq.]; and; 4. take such other action, consistent with authority delegated to him by the President, and consistent with the provisions of this Act, as he may deem necessary to assist local citizens and public officials in promptly obtaining assistance to which they are entitled.; 5. State coordinating officer When the President determines assistance under this Act is necessary, he shall request that the Governor of the affected State designate a State coordinating officer for the purpose of coordinating State and local disaster assistance efforts with those of the Federal Government.

    JennyD ACtually, if you read the Red Cross release, it specifies that they can help people around New Orleans because officials want to get everyone OUT of the city. If the Red Cross sets up shop in the city, people will come back and want to stay there. those people don't want to stay there. And no one wants to come back. They just don't want to die before being "evacuated". and I don't either. no one is saying the red Corss should be able to troll the streets of NO, so responses to that hypothetical are so much fluff. the Red Cross SHOULD have been let in to go to minister to the refugees at the Superdome and the Convention Center. That is what they are trained to do. That is what they wanted to do. I jsut cannot see that the refusal to let them do so is anything other than a callous and cruel picture of the New Orleans residents as disposable.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    ...it couldn't be because the more survivors and people get out, the more truth gets out could it?
    Maybe... what do you think they might have seen, that they cannot be allowed out to talk about?

    ...except that nothing contained in this [Stafford] Act shall limit or in any way affect the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross under the Act of January 5, 1905,
    Now all we need to do is check the secret provisions of a certain other Act, namely, the Patriot Act, in case it "...limit[s] or in any way affect[s] the responsibilities of the American National Red Cross under the Act of January 5, 1905." The vulture-like director of the Federal Estate Management Agency doesn't want the Red Cross in: he has "estates" to "plan."

    Edgar "what do you think they might have seen, that they cannot be allowed out to talk about?" ...absent leadership, inability to coordinate and orchestrate big projects, a basic disinterest in the necessary functions of a federal government... paralysis in the face of a crisis that demanded immediate and significant action.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#35)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    They didn't let the Red Cross in to Fallujah, either. I suspect they don't want the Red Cross witnessing the true magnitude of the humanitarian disaster that is New Orleans.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    adept writes:
    Only a troll like Jim would pretend there is no difference between keeping small freelance rescue operators out, and barring the freaking Red Cross, the premire disaster relief org. out of New Orleans.
    adept, if you would read before you comment you would see that my comment was directed to Litz. Plus, her comment was about a private rescue attempt plan that existed sometimes in the last 48 hours, not currently. Really, you are just so eager to shoot you can't wait to get your facts straight. As to when the Red Cross should be let in, I have no idea as to the security situation on the ground, and neither does anyone on this blog. The NG may be erring on the side of caution, or they may not. Considering the criticism they would receive if they let the Red Cross in, and then the Red Cross workers were injured, I can hardly blame them for caution. You might consider, though, that the real villian is a MSM and the Far Left which has demonstrated they will criticize anything the military does. And they can't even see that the harm is being done to innocent people.

    Gee, you should work for the Federal Emergency Perception Management Agency. Well done!

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#38)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    You might consider, though, that the real villian is a MSM and the Far Left which has demonstrated they will criticize anything the military does.
    You continue to amaze at the Bulls**t that you spout. Its a good thing you have no self-respect. The Red Cross as an international Organization has a well documented history of going into very dangerous places.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    punisher:
    ...absent leadership, inability to coordinate and orchestrate big projects, a basic disinterest in the necessary functions of a federal government... paralysis in the face of a crisis that demanded immediate and significant action.
    Good points... though we are talking about those things here... would the Guard troops in New Orleans let people starve to death beacause they might talk about the same things?

    Jim has a history of contempt for the Red Cross. He thinks they hate America. Some past comments on this organisation from the Poker Player Himself:
    Leave it to the IRC [International Red Cross] to take stupid to the next level
    a bunch of dumb folks at IRC just dying to do dumb things
    At least he's consistent.... I guess Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing is the only Truly Amercian aid organisation, huh Jim?

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#41)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    You might consider, though, that the real villian is a MSM and the Far Left which has demonstrated they will criticize anything the military does.
    Typical assinine comment from the troll king.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    PPJ-you must be a masochist, do you write lefty stuff on Jonah Goldberg's site? Sad case. Maybe you can go to NO and heckle the Red Cross and the savage refugees, or would that be too stimulating for you?

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    ...might consider, though, that the real villian is a MSM and the Far Left...
    This may get me kicked off this site, and I'll probably regret saying this later, but here goes... Jim... you know how to use a gun? Bullets are cheap, and plentiful, you can get lots of 'em almost anywhere if you are out of 'em... You only need one, though...

    I have no idea as to the security situation on the ground,
    Then keep silent about it, and don't draw any conclusions about why the red Cross should be excluded from the area
    and neither does anyone on this blog.
    Not if you can help it, you mean. What a stunning lack of curiousity for someone who has no idea about what's happening on the ground. Isn't the public entitled to know, if that's the case (it isn't, but let's play along)? What about the Stafford Act?

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Shelter from the storm...
    ítwas in another lifetime, one of toil and blood When blackness was a virtue and the road was full of mud I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. And if I pass this way again, you can rest assured Iíll always do my best for her, on that I give my word In a world of steel-eyed death, and men who are fighting to be warm. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Not a word was spoke between us, there was little risk involved Everything up to that point had been left unresolved. Try imagining a place where itís always safe and warm. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. I was burned out from exhaustion, buried in the hail, Poisoned in the bushes aní blown out on the trail, Hunted like a crocodile, ravaged in the corn. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Suddenly I turned around and she was standiní there With silver bracelets on her wrists and flowers in her hair. She walked up to me so gracefully and took my crown of thorns. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Now thereís a wall between us, somethiní thereís been lost I took too much for granted, got my signals crossed. Just to think that it all began on a long-forgotten morn. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Well, the deputy walks on hard nails and the preacher rides a mount But nothing really matters much, itís doom alone that counts And the one-eyed undertaker, he blows a futile horn. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Iíve heard newborn babies wailiní like a mourniní dove And old men with broken teeth stranded without love. Do I understand your question, man, is it hopeless and forlorn? Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. In a little hilltop village, they gambled for my clothes I bargained for salvation aní they gave me a lethal dose. I offered up my innocence and got repaid with scorn. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm. Well, Iím liviní in a foreign country but Iím bound to cross the line Beauty walks a razorís edge, someday Iíll make it mine. If I could only turn back the clock to when God and her were born. Come in, she said, Iíll give you shelter from the storm.
    ...Bob Dylan

    From the original posting on Steve Rose's diary over on DailyKos, this is the Red Cross's explanation to him on the phone:
    So here goes: Homeland Security (her term, not mine) told the Red Cross DO NOT enter New Orleans and says this still now. And why, you may ask? Not Security. Not worker safety. Not lack of access. It was because people would be drawn to the Red Cross food and they wouldn't want to go to be evacuated. So I asked: "The people starving and dying at the convention center yesterday couldn't get Red Cross food and water because they would be drawn to the food at the convention center, where they were, and not want to be evacuated from the convention center where no evacuations were going on or planned and all the while they are dying". (Actually, it was a couple questions.) She went back into her spiel about all of the other good work they were doing. When I asked again, she said yes, that was true. She seem relieved to admit it.
    So it WASN'T security. The Red Cross is not beloved by this administration. Abroad, they tend to pester for access to prisoners and refugee camps, and then send reports to the responsible governments criticizing the conditions there. I imagine that perhaps somebody felt it was best to not even get them started this time. I'm sorry. After all the stupid decisions and inaction this week, I have trouble imagining that suddenly, they were worrying about safety! And PPJ and other Bush defenders... consider this. Perhaps the reason we're always criticizing the Bush administration and saying they can't do anything right... is that so far they have done very little right, if anything! If it makes you happy, I will certainly criticize Clinton and the Dems in Congress who failed to make sure that protecting New Orleans and the Gulf Coast from disaster was a top priority. On the other hand, under Clinton, FEMA did its freakin' job Personally, I am beyond terrified now. I live in earthquake country and work near an area considered to be an attractive terrorism target... not the top one in the country, but on the list. It has just been proven to me and everybody else in the world that four years of "Homeland Security" have gone for naught. If something happens, we're on our own, and so are you all. (Red Cross National Affairs number is 202-303-5551, by the way)

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    we've had a Class 5 Political Incident
    the implications are staggering

    They bumped Pat Robertson's "charity" down to the third slot before they banned the Red Cross. The second choice ...mm... the third choice is BINGO! It WAS the second choice, before bloggers noticed it and OUTED THE PLAN. Rovian solution? Move it down a spot. The whole reason for banning the Red Cross is to channel donations to the rightwing. They are THAT sick.

    How come George Sr. and President Clinton can work for the relief efforts. They are private citizens now also, right? Al Gore is a private citizen who also happens to be and ex-vice president. And, why, wouldn't you use every resource to the fullest extent to save the people who so desparately need it? I've heard people saying America isn't so great anymore. I disagree. I think the government of America sucks at the present time but the PEOPLE are the same spirited bunch we always have been. We've been sleeping lately, that's all. We're waking up now and we will prevail over everthing. In the past we have done it with the help of our government, now we are going to do it in spite of our government.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    SD writes:
    The Red Cross as an international Organization has a well documented history of going into very dangerous places.
    My comment said nothing bad about the Red Cross, just that if they go in, and are harmed, the Left and MSM will blame the military. So your comment is nonsense, pure and simple. Ian - Are you incapable of reading what my comment said, or are you just one of those who jump on any one being attacked by someone, in this case SD, you think your superior? Squeak - You may join Ian in the dumb room, but first read my 12:24PM post and tell where I said anything bad about the Red Cross. edger - You hold the record for quoting Dylan. Congratulations. You and the others in tenth grade home room get a coke at the end of noon break. You write:
    This may get me kicked off this site, and I'll probably regret saying this later, but here goes... Jim... you know how to use a gun? Bullets are cheap, and plentiful, you can get lots of 'em almost anywhere if you are out of 'em... You only need one, though...
    Now let me see. You wish I do harm to myself. I am LOL. Look everyone. edger wants me to shoot myself! How daring. How bold. How macho his suggestion is. Uh, edger. You have just demonstrated why a majority of the people will not trust the defense of this country to Leftists and Democrats. Mac Lane - Your lack of logic is typical. In my comment I merely restate the obvious. I don't know and you don't know. I said nothing about not wanting to know. My comment merely pointed out the well known fact that the Left and the MSM will criticize the military no matter what it does. So keeping the Red Cross out is undoubtedly viewed as a prudent move by the military. Peerless - Shame on you for pointing out the obvious. ;-) Web - If I was terrified, I would move. If you were terrified, you would move. So you're not. What you are doing is making overhead claims for sympathy??? The fact is the mayor goofed when he waited too long, and the goverbor waited too long. Now, having scewed the pooch, they want to blame someone else. Might have worked 10 years ago. Won't work in the wired world we live in today.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#53)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    personal insult and name calling of another commenter deleted

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    Soccerdad:
    PPJ - you are so full of crap. God- you a disgusting human being.
    He's just on another of his baiting rants here again. When he gets little attention he cranks the volume way up... most childen do.

    I don't know and you don't know. I said nothing about not wanting to know.
    You only know enough to know that you don't know. You don't know what I or what anyone else knows. Don't pretend otherwise. It doesn't follow that because you don't know that others don't. A silly logic error on your part, my boy.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#56)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    edger, I know you're right. He is the eternal middle school bully.

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    PPJ-In the dumb room? You must know quite a bit about that, kinda cute though. Red Cross bashing? You? I never said that you ever said one bad thing about them, but they are giving your friends a headache over in Ayrak, and Gitmo too. And that bit about The Geneva Convention, hmmm, not your kind o' people. Seeing your blind faith in the Chimp King policies I can not imagine that they are too high on your list, they just seem to get in the way of real business. But I never said....

    Re: Red Cross Banned From Bringing Food and Suppli (none / 0) (#58)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    insult deleted

    Considering the criticism they would receive if they let the Red Cross in, and then the Red Cross workers were injured, I can hardly blame them for caution.
    Pure speculation on your part that caution is involved, because you admit you don't know the situation on the ground. All you can say is that you don't know. But you go ahead and attribute caution to the NG anyway. Inconsistent! Apparently security wasn't the reason for not letting them in, and there is this business about the Stafford Act, which you aren't acknowledging for some reason.