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Saturday Open Thread

I've been dominating the conversation. It's your turn now, I'll be back tonight.

Update: One more on FEMA's ineptitude: When they finally sent supplies, they sent those intended for a chemical attack:

" After the authorities in Baton Rouge had prepared a field hospital for victims of the storm, Fema sent its first batch of supplies, all of which were designed for use against chemical attack, including drugs such as Cipro, which is designed for use against anthrax. "We called them up and asked them: 'Why did you send that, and they said that's what it says in the book'," said a Baton Rouge official. "

[hat tip Patriot Daily.]

Update: Commercial airlines are beginning evacuations from New Orleans. And Carnival Cruise ships will house thousands.

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    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    I wonder whether Mother Bush is allowing her "beautiful mind" to consider what is going on in NO.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Now is a good time for everyone to take a deep breath and give some hard consideration to what kind of things you can help out with. Giving money to the Red Cross is a good gesture but if you are like me you will only be able to afford one or two modest donations of money, but lots of time and essentials. Last night my city received a bit over 5,000 refugees from the Gulf Coast, which opened up a lot of opportunities to spend some labor. Volunteer med. clinics have been set up here (I’m sure my city isn’t exceptional) for anyone with medical experience. Donate some blood, it’s always needed and it doesn’t have to be the Red Cross. In an emergency like this the Red Cross inevitably draws donations away from local hospitals; after 9/11 the place I donate was a ghost town. If you don’t have skills in need (I don’t) you can give away some clothes to the refugees coming to your city. And consider this; in six or ten months from now everyone will be preoccupied with the same crap we were last week. When was the last time anyone around here sent some money to the folks still suffering from the Tsunami; last I read 250,000 folks were living in tents in Banda Aceh, six months after the catastrophe. You could always save your money for a good donation to Habitat long after everyone is preoccupied with other crap.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Cipro, or ciprofloxacin is a floroquinolone antibiotic of broad spectrum. It was not “designed for anthrax”, it is just very effective against it. It is also effective against many other agents. The drug will have broad applications in fighting the kinds of infectious agents present in New Orleans as enterics ( organisms from feces and other waste products) are probably a number 1 or 2 concern and Cipro nails them. Lots of incompetence in N.O., no doubt about it but Cipro is not a part of it and!!!!! if you go after it you are opening an avenue to be discredited. Ever heard of that? Bloglodyte

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Chicago Mayor Daley 'shocked' as feds reject aid FEMA REFUSES City of Chicago's offer of trucks and aid [text of article deleted, please use this space for your comments rather than reprinting works of others. See comment policy. Thanks]

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    The San Francisco Chronicle has an article today called "In New Orleans' French Quarter, a tale of two cities. They compare and contrast the conditions at the upscale Royal Sonesta Hotel, in which the 31 staff and 2 remaining German guests are living it up eating grilled tilapia, T-bone steak, pasta, and red wine prepared by the 2 chefs, while less than half a mile away, at the New Orleans Convention center, people are living in hell on earth. "We're eating like kings" said Gary Davis, the hotel's electronic technician. The security guards swim in the pool during the day and guard the entrance with firearms at night. "Yeah, we have it pretty rough" says security director Joel Smith. "All we need is the pool bar opening up, and we'll be great." I almost tore my paper to shreds while reading this. Obviously, the people at Royal Sonesta are living in Bushworld, completely oblivious to the suffering and horrors of the poor folk living in Bushhell just down the block. The National Guard should evict these morons, and open up this hotel, and all others to those who need clean sheets and a soft bed for at least a few nights before they can be evacuated! At the very least, this hotel should be reserved for families with young children and the elderly ;500 rooms can go a long way to making the wait for evacuation easier!!

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    There's another story on the Senesta Hotel here. It's a little disturbing.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    i think we can all agree that the response, both pre and post katrina has been, at best, abysmal. not being there myself, and only having access via tv, newspapers and the net, the incompetence is stunning in its near completeness. why aren't the hotels being used? beats me. why are the guests eating all that fine food? because if they don't, it will rot, due to a lack of electricity for the fridges. on an entirely different note, i see that a judge in aruba has ordered the three (two brothers and other) released, again, due to a lack of actual evidence of a crime having been committed, in the case of the missing natalie holloway. i believe TL and i suspected this to be the case, and their having been taken into custody again was but a sham, intended for the tv audience, with no real prospect of breaking the case. ms. holloway's mother is just absolutely certain they know what happened to her daughter, but offers no evidence to support her contention, other than gut feeling. the fact that, so far anyway, not one shred of physical evidence has been located, makes me wonder if she didn't just take off, and these guys don't have the slightest clue.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    Suggested reading about natural disaster and race relations in the US. Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America. By John M. Barry This is a book I already have on hold at the library. I had NEVER heard of this flood until learning about it this morning on NPR's Weekend Edition. It was a catastrophic flood of almost biblical proportions in the southern US. During the interview, the author of the book said one of the most striking things about the 1927 flood was that NOT ONE PENNY of guvmn't money was spent on food/water/shelter/clothes. That precedent is one Norquist, Cheney and others would well like to emulate. As an aside, the 1927 flood response, which was handled by Hoover, helped to propel him into the Presidency.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    An answer to why they didn't leave by Anne Rice:
    Well, here's an answer. Thousands didn't leave New Orleans because they couldn't leave. They didn't have the money. They didn't have the vehicles. They didn't have any place to go. They are the poor, black and white, who dwell in any city in great numbers; and they did what they felt they could do - they huddled together in the strongest houses they could find. There was no way to up and leave and check into the nearest Ramada Inn. What's more, thousands more who could have left stayed behind to help others. They went out in the helicopters and pulled the survivors off rooftops; they went through the flooded streets in their boats trying to gather those they could find. Meanwhile, city officials tried desperately to alleviate the worsening conditions in the Superdome, while makeshift shelters and hotels and hospitals struggled. And where was everyone else during all this? Oh, help is coming, New Orleans was told. We are a rich country. Congress is acting. Someone will come to stop the looting and care for the refugees.
    [big snip]
    But to my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us. You looked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You want our Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and our music. Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny minority preying on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and turned your backs. Well, we are a lot more than all that. And though we may seem the most exotic, the most atmospheric and, at times, the most downtrodden part of this land, we are still part of it. We are Americans. We are you.


    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    Steve Gilliard really vents his spleen.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    It's a little disturbing.
    \ The most disturbing thing is that tourists were taken out of there pretty quickly, while the citizens of the city were left to die.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    A truly excellent piece by the Faithful Progrssive
    Hurricane Katrina is literally a watershed moment in American history. It has revealed the grim reality of an America that is deeply divided by race and class. We need a new War on Poverty in this country or our society is a failure by any measure that matters, including the religious values that many falsely claim guide us. Perhaps the first key to changing this reality is for all of us to admit that America is not a perfect place.
    snip
    Shortly after the storm struck, President Bush said that the people who stayed behind in the city had made a poor choice. Our leader once again demonstrated how out of touch with reality he is. "We get paid on Fridays," one woman said. "I couldn't afford a bus ticket until it was too late." She was just one of the hard-working neighbors that America left behind both before and after the tragedy of Katrina struck. For the past several days we have helplessly watched what happens when a nation is too blind and too greedy to tend to its neediest neighbors. We flinch when we see these good family people, concerned for their babies and aged parents and neighbors--we flinch because they are better neighbors than we are, and because we know we have let them down. This must come to an end. The greed of the wealthy, our own self-centeredness, must be tempered with more compassion.
    Highly recommend reading the whole piece. Pretty much nails it.

    Re: Saturday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by aw on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    Soccerdad: Click. Another lightbulb just went on out there somewhere in somebody's head. Lots of somebodies. The lights are coming on all over.