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Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host

Bump and Update: Show Chris some heart and tell the Academy how you feel.

Here's a chance to see how much power conservatives have over MSM. It's just begun in the last couple of days so follow along and see how it plays out.

It begins with Drudge bashing Chris Rock as a choice to host the Oscars due to some quotes from his routines that are sure to enrage conservatives, particularly the radical right and evangelicals.

Drudge expands his reach by taking it to Hannity and Colmes Monday night, where he is granted not one, but two segments-- alone --with no guest taking the other side. Crooks and Liars has the video....

Despite Drudge's ambiguous denials of an agenda to get Rock de-invited to host the Oscars, I'm not buying it. He repeated the same lines by Rock over and over, hoping to cause a firestorm and create a groundswell of support for Rock's ouster.

Variety reports that the Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences is firm in having Rock host the Oscars. It also says it hasn't heard any opposition from members. Not only that, the Academy released a firm statement of support today for Rock.

Oscar producer Gil Cates issued a statement on Monday saying he and the academy stand behind Rock, and denying that anyone at the academy had taken offense.

"The Academy is excited about Chris Rock hosting this year's Oscar telecast and looking forward to a very funny evening with him," Cates said. "Chris's comments over the past few weeks are meant to be humorous digs at the show that some people, obviously including Chris himself, think may be a bit too stuffy."

Likewise, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation issued a statement in defense of Rock. "Chris Rock isn't making fun of gays -- he's poking fun at the Oscars," GLAAD executive director Joan Garry said. "It's shtick ..."

The big question is: will Drudge and conservatives succeed in using their politics to dictate who is an acceptable host for a MSM television awards show viewed by up to one billion people? ABC is counting on Rock to re-energize the show and its ratings. They are going for The Daily Show audience. That's where the advertising dollars are, not with grannies in Podunk.

One other note: How much of the radical right's anti-Oscar fury is really the result of their feeling betrayed by Clint Eastwood's Million Dollar Baby? They really don't like this movie, and it really might win best picture. They've called it everything from a neo-nazi movie to communist propoganda.

No matter. Rush Limbaugh used his radio megaphone to inveigh against the "liberal propaganda" of "Million Dollar Baby," in which Eastwood plays a crusty old fight trainer who takes on a fledgling "girl" boxer (Hilary Swank) desperate to be a champ. Limbaugh charged that the film was a subversively encoded endorsement of euthanasia, and the usual gang of ayotallahs chimed in. Michael Medved, the conservative radio host, has said that "hate is not too strong a word" to characterize his opinion of "Million Dollar Baby." Rabbi Daniel Lapin, a longtime ally of the Christian right, went on MSNBC to accuse Eastwood of a cultural crime comparable to Bill Clinton having "brought the term 'oral sex' to America's dinner tables."

To which, Eastwood responds:

What do you have to give these people to make them happy?" Eastwood asked when I phoned to get his reaction to his new status as a radical leftist. He is baffled that those "who expound from the right on American values" could reject a movie about a heroine who is "willing to pull herself up by the bootstraps, to work hard and persevere no matter what" to realize her dream. "That all sounds like Americana to me, like something out of Wendell Willkie," he says. "And the villains in the movie include people who are participating in welfare fraud."

Prediction: The radical right loses this round. Chris Rock will host the Oscars. Million Dollar Baby will continue to rake it in at the box office, if not win best picture. The buzz will continue right up until show time, making for more viewers. We'll be watching and might even blog live. It's a civil liberties issue now.

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  • Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:22:24 AM EST
    A Lot more will come, its only the start.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:31:41 AM EST
    Don't they know Clint Eastwood is a Republican?! Anyways, any "controversy" over Chris Rock means just one thing...better ratings! Drudge should know that by now.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 04:33:27 AM EST
    The Chris Rock thing is absurd. But: There's a story behind one part of the opposition to Million Dollar Baby that is getting very little play: Eastwood campaigned hard to weaken the Americans with Disabilities Act, and has now produced a movie in which the killing of a quadriplegic is portrayed as a positive, loving thing. While I have no problem with Eastwood making the movie or the movie winning awards - as many have pointed out, you don't have to approve of every character's actions to appreciate a good movie - it would behoove the media to discuss this history. Critics discussing The Passion of the Christ or Fahrenheit 9/11 commented on the religion and politics, respectively, of the guys who made those movies. Yet the view of disability activists - good liberals, one and all - are just lumped in with those of conservatives and brushed aside. Let me repeat: there are good, liberal reasons to suspect Eastwood's motives in killing off a disabled person. If he had testified before Congress in support of, say, a anti-gay law, and then made a movie that portrayed the killing of gays or lesbians as a good thing, we would at least be talking about this.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 04:35:40 AM EST
    I doubt it has anything to do with getting Rock disinvited. It's just another way to sound the 'liberal media' gong and have it resound endlessly in the right wing echo chamber (bouncing between Drudge/Instapundit, GOP owned TV 'news' on CNN/Fox/PBS and their Newspapers. Is that a OpEd piece I smell from Dick Morris hatching? Since Moore made F911 ineligible for the Oscars they have to hone their Talons ;) on something else from the Oscars. And it will get more coverage in their masochistic pal, the "MSM" who will cowtow and let them vent with Brian Williams. Helps keep the real news off the air. WIth this and Michael Jackson, who has time for torture and war!

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 04:36:45 AM EST
    The whole time I'm watching the clip of Drudge, he kept reminding me of another Republican-appeasing, Hollywood queen, closet case - Merv Griffin. You need to understand, that the Oscar gig is a nice paycheck for Rock, but he has no designs (or illusions) for Hollywood stardom, enough to temper or tone down his act. He's probably going to say something Drudge can run with, and the Academy will probably cave to the pressure. But, that won't stop Rock from calling Drudge out as the self-hating, closet queen (who hit on Media Matter's David Brock), he so obviously is.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 04:44:24 AM EST
    So you don't think Rock's statements about gay people are worth condemning? It's not censorship if a private entity disaproves of speech - as a lawyer, I would have thought TL would understand that. The only reason that the left won't criticize Chris Rock is the cognitive dissonance that's caused by a black person (can't criticize him) bashing gays (must criticize the bashing). The entire left is paralyzed by this, unable to figure out what it means. Meanwhile, those of us who insist on judging people w/o regard to skin color have no trouble identifying Rock for what he is - a mysogynistic homophobe. One other thing - you don't think that Rock's bashing of the academy itself might enter into his qualification to host the Oscars?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:20:46 AM EST
    Umm...I'm a gay person and don't care that much.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:28:02 AM EST
    Chris Rock is generally hysterical. If Matt Drudge doesn't understand that, the likely cause is that he is without a sense of humor and cannot separate the concepts of political commentary and stand-up comedy.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:52:51 AM EST
    Several years ago my legally blind friend and I hit the floor laughing during Chris' "give Stevie(Wonder)a glimpse" routine. I will watch just for his dig at Drudge. Drudge is just trying to flex his only muscle.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#10)
    by roger on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:53:47 AM EST
    Doc, You got it right, bread and circuses. Abu huh?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 06:00:19 AM EST
    et al - Chris Rock's statements were, at best homophobic. Tell me that if Eastwood had said them he wouldn't be beaten up? Hypocritical to the max.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#12)
    by cp on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 06:20:17 AM EST
    drudge has become a caricature of himself. i think he and michael moore have morphed into one person, with a split personality. while entertaining, it shouldn't be taken seriously.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 06:42:37 AM EST
    Rock is an equal oppurtunity offender, I've heard him make fun of gays, blacks, whites, asians...the whole freakin' rainbow. He's funny as hell and will make a great host.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#14)
    by Kitt on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 07:00:14 AM EST
    This is such a nonstory. I've watched Chris Rock numerous times; I think he's funnier than sh*t. He's a comedian. So he's aware of the world around him and how it functions AND he uses it in his act. Let's see now - the list is getting longer, more "inclusive" ....college professors, comedians - who's next?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#16)
    by norbizness on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 07:13:51 AM EST
    I heard that Richard Pryor used to make fun of the way white people talked and walked. I think I even heard him use the n-word once or two thousand times on an album called Bicentennial N-word! I think I'm getting the vapors. "The other thing they've been trying to get Clinton on is gays in the military. Everybody's all homophobic - "Ooh, don't let him in.." Hey! If they want to fight, let 'em fight, 'cause I ain't fighting! I wouldn't care if I saw a Russian tank on Flatbush Avenue. I'm not fighting nobody! And everybody's so homophobic - everybody in this room has at least a gay cousin! All of you, thinking about it right now. Some of you got gay daddies! I got a gay uncle - I call him "Aunt Tom". I love my Aunt Tom. I know right now, if I was in a fight, Aunt Tom would come in here, take off his pumps and whoop some ass!"

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 07:29:33 AM EST
    Didn't Eastwood just say a few weeks ago that he would kick Michael Moores ass if Moore came to his door? I'm sooooooooo confused... .

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 07:43:50 AM EST
    The only difference between the lefts response to those they find offensive and the right's response is the right does everything they can to destroy them and the left does everything they can to let them destroy themselves!

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 08:16:27 AM EST
    Drudge needs a high colonic and ten mile hike.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 08:16:36 AM EST
    Why do they insist that we live our lives their way? 95% of these hypocrites don't even live the way they say we should. "Family Values" is a more cynical campaign slogan than "Support Our Troops"

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 08:31:26 AM EST
    "Weird white guys getting overly patriotic, with their f**king flag hats on," Rock said. "I am not scared of al Qaeda, I am scared of f**king al Cracker." Me too Chris, me too.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#22)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 08:59:15 AM EST
    Scared of male-whores-in-the-white-house-press-corps jokes? I guess.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:04:38 AM EST
    The Religious Reich have no sense of irony and no sense of humor either.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:12:58 AM EST
    Gawd, people, he's a COMEDIAN!!!! All jokes have a butt! It's a JOKE, fercrissakes!

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#25)
    by Darryl Pearce on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:13:42 AM EST
    One of Chris Rock's funniest videos is "How Not to Get Your A** Kicked by the PO-lice." It should be on iFilm.com but that's not linkable from me here at work. Oh! Work...! Back at ya!

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:14:24 AM EST
    This Neo-Con thinks Chris Rock is pretty damn funny. I hope he does a repeat of his first VMA show, that was a classic. Having a good comedian host is the only way to take a show like from dull to amusing.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:26:59 AM EST
    "Posted by Jim: " Chris Rock's statements were, at best homophobic. Hypocritical to the max." This from the 'man' who supports an unelected fraud through a completely illegal invasion that killed more than 100,000 civilians and nearly fifteen hundred troops, over lies and profit. Yep, Chris Rock is the problem. So how come he isn't covered in blood like you, Jim? Hypocrisy. I've seen the ultimate embodiment hypocrisy strutting around on my tv set for five years, and it sure ain't Chris Rock. Hey, I got an idea: Let's find out how Chris Rock feels about gay marriage, eh? I'm sure he can do twenty mostly-hilarious minutes on that, and he STILL won't be a flea on the assh*les who are using that issue to lard their corrupt, unelected political power. Oink, oink, Jim.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#29)
    by Adept Havelock on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:31:00 AM EST
    Kdog- "Odds are, if no one is offended, it isn't funny." Too true! What made Archie Bunker and Blazing Saddles comedy classics? The fact they lampooned racism by making fun of all social groups. This is just the kitchen Drudge crying out for attention.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:50:20 AM EST
    Oh, the radical righteous right is just upset that The Passion isn't nominated and won't win the awards it and its director so obviously deserve. Thus, the Oscars are just another sign of secular leftists denigrating Christianity.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:55:53 AM EST
    I can't believe the deal being made out of this. Comedians do gay humor all the time! It's usually silly pokes at stereotypes, not bashing. Seriously people, how many times have you heard jokes about gays and fashion? Too many to count. And Rock never even said only gays watch the Oscars. That's how Drudge spun his words.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#32)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:57:39 AM EST
    Now hold on. Rock comments that straight, black men don't watch the Oscars. That's homophobic? Don't you people have anything to do?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 09:59:44 AM EST
    As Rock said, what straight man watches the Oscars?
    I know I don't watch no Oscars.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 10:06:18 AM EST
    Prediction: If a white comic said the things about blacks that Chris Rock says about whites, mobs of Gramscian "liberals" would burn him in effigy throughout the land.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#35)
    by Kitt on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 10:08:18 AM EST
    Well, if that's the case then we don't need no stinking Oscars.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 10:27:07 AM EST
    The people burning in effigy are the tens of thousands of completely-innocent mothers who were splattered all over their kitchen walls with their children by a C-in-C racist. The Rape of Fallujah is rightfully going down in history as one of the great crimes by this nation. Drudge is playing the distraction machine full blast, because these actions were warcrimes on a grand scale. So clearly Chris Rock is at fault.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#37)
    by Don on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 10:54:49 AM EST
    Hey, you could have warned us that below the fold you were going to ruin the movie's big surprise.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 11:09:18 AM EST
    One other thing - you don't think that Rock's bashing of the academy itself might enter into his qualification to host the Oscars?
    it would be to obvious to state the academny brought rock in to stir things up. the show has been boring and loosing audience and prestige, maybe just maybe the academy understands its time to pass the torch from the baby-boomers, and the GenX'ers do thing a whole lot differently.
    Odds are, if no one is offended, it isn't funny.
    this is GenX'ers type comedy, offend the hell out of everybody so you see how stupid we all act/look.
    Prediction: If a white comic said the things about blacks that Chris Rock says about whites, mobs of Gramscian "liberals" would burn him in effigy throughout the land.
    i don't know about that one Lonewacko, watched any bet comedy shows lately, quite a few white comedians, and long as the "N"-word is not bandied about, the jokes are pretty much open. i.e., white comeidan: the only difference between dating a black girl and a white girl, if the black girl asks if her "booty" is big, you better say hhheeelllll yyyeeeeaahhhh like the guy a lot, his new routine on hbo is worth a watch, a lot about marriage, shows a guy growing.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 11:53:56 AM EST
    Some whites do racial jokes, but not as often (Howard Stern does a ton, but he and Chris Rock are buddies). When you're white, you don't really have to think about "being white."

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#40)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 11:57:09 AM EST
    Lonewacko said, Prediction: If a white comic said the things about blacks that Chris Rock says about whites, mobs of Gramscian "liberals" would burn him in effigy throughout the land. Here's a clue, Einstein: There is no history in this nation of white people being oppressed by black people. Hence, there is no satire, humor, irony to be found in a white comedian doing reverse versions of Rock's humor. The right amazes me with their kindergarten generalizations that seem to be made without a brain cell's worth of effort. Another clue: it's the same reason David Dukes National Association for the Advancement of White People was always the purely racist joke it was; because it served to address absolutely no historical wrong. Think. THINK. THINK!!!

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:04:36 PM EST
    Colin Quinn does quite a bit of "racial humor". Not nearly as funny as Rock, but I get a kick out of him.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:07:59 PM EST
    Paul In LA - You are right. I didn't call Chris Rock a hypocrite. I called the Lefties who got all in a dither over Trent Lott, but want to let Ward Chuchill slide. Who wanted to fire the DC teacher who used the word niggardly, but can't be bothered when ex-KKK member US Democratic Senator Byrd uses the N word. Who think it is okay for Whoopi to refer to her "Bush," but got incensed when Cheney used the F word. And who are upset with Eastwood, but defend Chris Rock. Yes, dear boy. It is a double standard. It is hypocritical. BTW, your gay marriage comment is funny, since you obviously don't keep up, just jump to conclusions about anyone who disagrees with you. As I have commented, my only sexual activity requirement is that it be between consenting adults. dave - You are wrong. This is what he said: "I never watched the Oscars. Come on, it's a fashion show," Rock recently declared. "What straight black man sits there and watches the Oscars? Show me one!"

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:09:18 PM EST
    where does it say only gays watch the oscars?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:12:43 PM EST
    BTW, Whoopi is a comedian, Cheney is VP. The whole "niggardly" ordeal was silly, and most people I know agree. And who's mad at Eastwood? Liberals aren't. Rush, Medved and CO. are. Bryd has renounced the KKK, Lott supported a segragationist platform.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:21:23 PM EST
    "What straight black man sits there and watches the Oscars? Show me one!"
    snippets (berry/brody kiss) and tidbits (j-lo's green dress, ?that was the oscar's?) don't count, and oh yeah any musical performances you catch surfing during the commericals, does not count as watching the oscars. other than those brief instances, i'd be interested in seeing one, especially one who would admit it.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:29:39 PM EST
    What straight man of any race watches the Oscars?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:36:30 PM EST
    heck lets just get straight to the root of this, after the red carpet, who watches the oscars

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 12:42:53 PM EST
    The only award shows I make an effort to watch are the MTV ones, and even those were lame last year (it's always great when Rock hosts, tho). I'm not too interested in who wins Oscars, except for the main acting catergories sometimes (the guy who kissed Halle Berry was pretty funny). If/When Jamie Foxx wins, I want to hear his speech. It should be pretty funny. And i guess I want to see Marty or Clint when one of em best director.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 01:16:31 PM EST
    dave - I'm sure the teacher just shrugged it off as "silly." To steal a phrase, where does she go to get her life back? et al - The main defense appears to be that it is comedy. Fine. I am sure the neo-Nazis had some great Jewish jokes in their Dresden march. I'm sure the boys down at the KKK meeting have some real side splitters about blacks. NOT. Once the door is opened, and once the tent is set up, don't be surprised at who will join you.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#50)
    by Che's Lounge on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 01:27:00 PM EST
    Jim, You still don't grok humor. All humor is derived from something unfortunate happening to someone.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 01:29:20 PM EST
    Jim, I mean the outrage over it was silly. Stop deliberately being obtuse. And as I said before, have you ever listened to Howard Stern? He tells race and gay jokes all the time. He calls rap guests like Snoop Dogg "niggas" and they don't care. Plus he has a KKK guy come on his show frequently.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#52)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 02:07:41 PM EST
    What SANE person watches the Oscars? You are wrong re humor and unfortunate events, Che, e.g., ...there once was a man from Nantucket...

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#53)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 02:08:06 PM EST
    PPJ, let me see if I can help clear up any confusion you might be having about "Lefties": I called the Lefties who got all in a dither over Trent Lott, but want to let Ward Chuchill slide. Who wanted to fire the DC teacher who used the word niggardly, but can't be bothered when ex-KKK member US Democratic Senator Byrd uses the N word. Who think it is okay for Whoopi to refer to her "Bush," but got incensed when Cheney used the F word. And who are upset with Eastwood, but defend Chris Rock. 1) In a dither over Trent Lott? No, it was the Bush team that hung him out to dry and took away his leadership post. We Lefties just sat back and laughed. 2) Let Ward Churchill slide? No, most of us don't find anything he has to say very interesting. On the other hand though, we don't like torch-and-pitchfork mobs telling us we have to fire professors who don't hold the "right" opinions. 3) Wanted to fire the DC teacher? Funny. I didn't read any Lefties who thought the teacher ought to be fired. Most of us agreed that the whole flap was a good example of bureacracy gone off the rails. 4) Can't be bothered when ex-KKK member Robert Byrd uses the word. Byrd's remarks were stupid. We'll take away his Senate leadership positioin, OK? 5) Whoopi referring to her "Bush." A pubic hair joke? OK, you got me on that one. No, I'm not upset about that at all. It was at a private event in front of an audience that wasn't offended. 6) Cheney using the F word. Yeah, pretty outraged about that. Using the F-word. On the floor of the Senate. To a leading Senator of the opposition party. While his supporters are all clucking about Kerry's lack of decorum for using the word in an interview with Rolling Stone. Actually, I'm less outraged by Cheney's use of the word than I am by people keep using the taunt "John F'n Kerry." 7) Upset with Eastwood? Not very much of that around that I've seen. What little I've seen criticizes the message of his movie, and doesn't suggest he shouldn't be allowed to make movies any more. 8) Chris Rock. "What straight black man watches the Oscars?" Maybe you could lay out the case why this disqualifies him from hosting the AA show. So far, I haven't seen anyone actually try to do so. 8)

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 02:09:22 PM EST
    Jim - "Double standards"?,"homophobia"?! Youve just created a new category beyond hypocrisy. Where was all the righteous indignation of yours in the last year while your boys were making "homophobia" an indespensible brick in thier platform? Not even a peep. It truely is to laugh. Your roaring silence while Bush coddles the religious right,(without whom he's nowhere),condemns you.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    Jim - If you ever,in a fit of temporary insanity,questioned a Fox/Drudge talking point,what would occur? Grand mal siezure? The seven plagues of Egypt?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 03:19:53 PM EST
    Let him speak for himself mini-me.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#57)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 04:56:38 PM EST
    jondee - Wrong. "Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on March 15, 2004 05:18 PM As someone who has commented time and again that I don't care if a man marries a man, or dog or whatever..." "Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on March 16, 2004 11:32 AM dadler The marriage issue is a non-starter to me. I just don't care. Marry a goose as far as I'm concerned." "Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on March 16, 2004 11:43 AM dadler If you doubt my position on the marriage issue, you haven't been paying attention. As for "friends with a gay person." I don't go running around asking people their sexual orientation. Everybody is the same to me. If you're gay, you're gay. As I said, I just don't care. So get off the lecture circuit." quaker - When you lie down with dogs, don't be surprised if you get up with fleas. And yes, it was the right, and the left who jumped on Lott. And he deserved it.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#58)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:00:17 PM EST
    jondee - and the best for last: "Posted by: Poker Player (aka Jim) on March 16, 2004 09:31 PM dadler Sorry, but I have been making the same point. I just don't care. Matter of fact, about ten days ago I commented I couldn't see what purpose government had in the process, outside of record keeping. So marry the goose, you silly goose. Civil rights? Of course. I learned that at my Father's knee. Your problem is you don't understand that I am an old fashion liberal, as opposed to the far left/socialist we have today, with a touch of libertarian thrown in, and a Jacksonian on defense, central banking and the cost of money. I am a flat out hawk on defense. Think ex-Senator Jackson from Washington. I also can not stand double standards, which I find to be very apparent on both sides, but more so on the Left. "

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#59)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:08:25 PM EST
    Comedy is an art form. Art is free expression. Free expression is living. Living is what we're here for. Some enjoy Picasso. Some enjoy Thomas Kincade. Some enjoy neither.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#60)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:13:46 PM EST
    Comedy is an art form. Art is free expression. Free expression is living. Living is what we're here for. Some enjoy Picasso. Some enjoy Thomas Kincade. Some enjoy neither.
    Most enjoy a point.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#61)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 05:24:17 PM EST
    Lonewacko - Have yo never seen "Airplane" or "Blazing Saddles"? Ever seen "South Park: Chef Goes Nanners"? Have you ever listened to Howard Stern, or George Carlin (pre tax evasion, but post hippy-dippy weatherman)? This is one of the right wing canards that has just gotten tiresome.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#64)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 11:44:15 PM EST
    Jim: "Your problem is you don't understand that I am an old fashion liberal," Yeah, if you don't count the racism. NOT A SINGLE WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Not one tiny shell, not one dram bottle, not one gram of anything dangerous at all. Not one featherweight of anything incriminating. CSI: Bagdad could pick up your lipstick on Bush's pig's ass from WAY over there, but, oink-oink, not even a trace of a legal basis for the invasion of Iraq. Superior racism, practiced by heartless criminals. Yeah, that sounds like liberalism. 100 innocent people, standing in front of 100 rows of equally innocent people, half of them children -- dead. Ten blocks like that -- dead. At least one city leveled. Not one justification for such a pogrom. "Old fashion liberal"? Yeah, and Hitler bought the people in Auschwitz ACLU cards because he wanted them to know he cared.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#65)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:26:51 AM EST
    Paul In LA - You claim that I am a reacist because I support the WOT and the invasion of Iraq to change regimes. Based on that, anyone who fought or were against Hitler was a racist, since the Third Reich was founded by an Aryan race, and was dedicated to the establishment of a Aryan race culture in which everyone else were inferior. Based on your many negative comments about Hitler, Nazis, etc..... Congratulations, you are now a racist.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#66)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:36:51 AM EST
    steve j - Can you provide us a link to the article you quote? It doesn't appear to be kosher, and I'd like to read it myself. Now I'm not being nasty, mind you, I'm just a bit of a Doubting Thomas from time to time. You wouldn't fib to us, would you? Eh?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#67)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 06:41:08 AM EST
    Paul In LA - In case you still have not figured it out: " : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination " And good heavens, I just thought of something... No, surely you didn't. You couldn't be so racist... Paul!!!!! DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ATTACKED THE JAPANESE IN WWII????

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#69)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 08:08:05 AM EST
    Paul in LA, I've noticed the same racism too. Typically it is turned around to make the left look racist (our disgust with the mushroom queen is supposedly racial in origin). PPJ, It's nothing to do with the WOT. It has to do with our leaders murdering innocent people over lies. Unless you think all those dead kids are terrorists. Sorry, collateral damage (what a nice sterile term for murder). Once again, Iraq had NOTHING TO DO with the WOT. You see terrorists everywhere but in DC.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#70)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 03:58:38 PM EST
    Che - Paul In LA has commented that I am a racist becaise I support the WOT and the invasion of Iraq. I am just pointing out how wonderfully stupid that is. DA - As you well know, I don't care what he says. My point is the double standard excecised by the Left regarding speech.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#72)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:20:43 PM EST
    Support for the illegal invasion of Iraq is prima facie racism. The only way it could have escaped from that charge was by following international law, not occupation, and actually finding what was claimed to be there. Once it became clear that there were no WMD, at all, the US should have withdrawn and paid reparations, apologized internationally, and Bush should have resigned. He should still resign. But he's not honest, he's not a legal president. He's a liar, a cheat, a traitor, and a criminal. You and your History Channel racist real politik does not give you cover. You think you have the right to kill tens of thousands of innocent people as collateral damage for ... what? Because he says so? Because the torturer AG says so? Because he says so is tyranny. Because he says so is also racism. That's the problem with illegal invasion. When you come up with NOTHING to justify it, you are nothing but capital criminals, or racists who support them. You may not like being labeled a racist, Jim, but I didn't do that to you. YOU DID. By their fruit you shall know them. The worms in your apple make Hieronymous Bosch paintings look like Valentines.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#63)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 05:54:10 PM EST
    This just more hysteria from the Noise Machine. Drudge is a closet-case who has no problems trying to out a gay reporter:
    Published on Saturday, July 19, 2003 by the Toronto Star TV Man Is (Shock) Gay, And (Horror) Canadian by Antonia Zerbisias [text deleted, this space is for comments]

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#73)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 07:41:42 PM EST
    I thought Republicans don't like Hollywood, how come their gasbags want to tell them how to conduct their business now. Maybe they would've liked it had Chris Rock been a ruplican.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#74)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 16, 2005 at 11:40:05 PM EST
    Kinda funny, That so far in this thread, most of the direct quotes from Rock have been used to support his right to say them! Chris Rock may help reinforce negative stereotypes to make his audience laugh, but I don't see a cult of 'true believers' launching an email campaign against Fox News! And, I don't see him including Bible passages in his routine to close the sale. The Right is desperately trying to manufacture outrage to distract from Gannongate. Hoping to spark hysteria over comments they want to convince are the sentiments of the Liberal Left. The comments of comedians, academics, actors and directors like Michael Moore, who when they speak the truth are dismissed as irrelevant. But, Chris Rock will never be given a political platform like Ann Coulter or Michael Savage, or not be held accountable for any hateful and stupid rhetoric like James Dobson. Not in Drudgeworld.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#75)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:29:23 AM EST
    Paul In LA - Being called a racist by you is no problem to me. And you may note that the MSM hasn't picked up on the theme, and in fact, I haven't seen any others on the net try and use it. It is phony, a double standard. Racism is bad. War is bad. When you mix the two definitions you hurt the arguent against both. You make no arguments, you provide no links, you complain about history but if you know any you don't demonstrate that fact. Keep at it. You are your own worst enemy. Now tell us again how Bush stole the election and Rumsfeld is going to be arrested by Germany, and in your world, attacking Iraq (Arabs) is racism and attacking Japan (Japanense) is not.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#76)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:31:28 AM EST
    DA - Free speech is my bag. So is respobsibility for that free speech. You can't have one without the other. Too bad you haven't figured that out.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#77)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 06:41:19 AM EST
    If now awards shows bend to the will of rightwingers, they will have the same fate as the MSM news: they will lose all their viewers. Hollywood is very liberal. If they remove Chris Rock from hosting, they will only be shooting themselves in the foot. Personally, I don't care, because I never watch awards shows. I think it's sad that Drudge and the rightwingers care about who hosts the Oscars. The host of the Oscars is off the radar of important things in my life.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#79)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 08:17:35 AM EST
    big dan - The issue isn't the awards. The issue is what Chris Rock said. And the fact that the Left wants to ignore it. That's hypocritical.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#81)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 02:03:59 PM EST
    ppj, don't know why you're addressing me above. i made no comments about gays and marriage on this topic. someone else, bud.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#82)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:56:34 AM EST
    Here [http://yahoo.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11520,00.html?yhnws] is an article from 2003, Drudge spreads rumors about Rock being warned not to speak out against the Preznit and is called out... [...] "I don't know Matt Drudge, I never met Matt Drudge," Rock says in a statement released Thursday, "but if I see Matt Drudge, I'm going to take my red-blooded American foot and put it up his un-American ass for trying to disrupt the opening of my movie..." [...] No axes being ground here... move along...

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#83)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:54:33 AM EST
    If you view the comments from top to bottom you can see that this really isn't about Chris Rock. It goes much deeper than that. Many of you have gone into the racial discussion where it really comes down too. Now I am a black dude, and what some people dont realize that this is what black comedy is all about. Now Black comedians make fun of gays all the time. They dont hold their tongue on nothing. I mean nothing. I can understand why the oscars are tentative on letting Chris rock in it is only natural. When he made the comment about what straight black man sits there and watches the oscars is so true that I had to sit there and think about that for a while. I mean it is really true. Black folks call gays out as if like putting on their shoes. We are not sensitive to that subject, so again I can understand why some whites have a problem with this. Now blacks are real raw when it comes to comedy so we have no problem talking about white people. none. It doesnt mean that we are racist or homophobic it is almost like a healing process. Its likened to the saying that the employees can talk about the employers but the employers cant say anything about the employees. So basically since we are an inferior race economically we feel like we have the right to talk about it. You can disagree all you want if this makes it right or not but this is just the way the world is. See some people are mad or annoyed at the fact that black people can make fun of white people and not vice versa. Thats just the way it is. With the historical events that took place in America that probably gives us a right too. Again I'm not saying this is right I'm just saying that's the way it is. and If you dont like you just have to deal with it.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#84)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:02:13 AM EST
    As with most African American comedy acts it is based on the truth. Chris's comments are no exception. We do not much care for the Oscars unless an African Americans is nominated. Although it was good to hear that the Acadamy stands behind Chris, there is another message to be heard. Translation, The Acadamy really doesn't care about African American viewership. Notice that the Acadamy hasn't addressed this portion of Chris's comments.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#85)
    by glanton on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:21:20 AM EST
    What Chris Rock has said during comedy routines is most certainly not "the issue," or even "an issue," no matter how much Drudge and his zombie ilk and the conservatives on this blog would like to make it one. It's not even as much of a valid "issue" as Churchill or Gannon and that's saying a lot. These are all tabloid distractions to keep us from looking at public policy and foreign policy issues that affect every single one of us. Rock's commentary in relation to homosexuals is of course "ignored," as PPJ complainingly states, by liberals--not because we're hypocrites but because we understand that unlike the GOP machine, Rock is not advocating sodomy laws and trying to force textbook makers to insert disclaimers about the dangers of the "homosexual lifestyle." For example. Neither does Rock hide behind the gay marriage "issue" to safely vent his hatred ot homosexuals and desire that they be jailed. Neither did he complain when the Supreme Court, finally!, wrote _Lawrence v Texas_ and struck a blow against reactionariism and oppression. For example. That's why the vitriole from liberals against Santorum and Falwell and Dubya and Hannity and Drudge et al, but none against someone like Rock, who's a 'live and let live' guy (the worst kind of guy, as far as the GOP is concerned!) who makes his money off of satire. Those who cannot see the difference might start by removing head from rectum.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#86)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:57:48 AM EST
    PPJ: It seems to me that the war with Japan was based on an attck on the US by Japan. There was NO attack on the US by Iraq. Apples and oranges, nicht wahr?

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#87)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 26, 2005 at 11:00:06 AM EST
    If a white guy says "I'm more afraid of black guys in the hood than al-quada" it's offensive, if a black says it about whites, it's suppose to be hillarious.

    Re: Drudge Targets Chris Rock as Oscar Host (none / 0) (#88)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 04:28:23 PM EST
    hey feteroni, You have to just accept reality that blacks can make fun of whites and not vice versa. But in a sense when you look at the whole picture. It should be that way. Let us have our healing time to make fun of the way things have gone. But there is no reason to be scared of blacks. we dont own anything, we dont control anything. If whites want to kill the black race they easily could.