Andrew Cuomo: Sorry but He Will Not Resign

Andrew Cuomo today said he's sorry he made anyone feel uncomfortable but he won't resign.

Good for him. He should not resign. This piling on of accusations from years past with automatic acceptance of the accusers' allegations is simply wrong. This country was founded on the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

Andrew Cuomo is not alleged to have physically assaulted anyone. It's not alleged that he threatened to use or used physical "force" against anyone with the intent of causing them physical injury. He's alleged to have used a "pattern of words and actions that have...made three women who are decades his junior feel deeply uncomfortable, in their collective telling."

By today's moral standards, if true, his words and actions constitutes sexual harassment. By legal standards, it might or might not constitute an actionable civil claim for damages or is unlikely to be a basis for criminal prosecution. (Personally, I think it should be neither, but I don't make the laws, I just defend people charged with breaking them.) [More...]

Cuomo has apologized for making anyone uncomfortable and said he didn't know at the time he was making anyone feel uncomfortable. He says he was just being himself. Now he's been educated -- as well as trolled through the streets with a Scarlet A on his chest. Enough. Let the man get back to governing New York State which voters elected him to do. Three woman who felt uncomfortable by sexist remarks and suggestions and perhaps an unasked for kiss on the cheek should not be able to topple the will of the voters in an election.

Comments someone made to you years ago that you did not report then should not be judged by today's draconian "me too" standards. If you experienced a verbal or even a improper touching "me too" moment years ago, my reaction is keep it to yourself, share it with your friends or therapist or ask the alleged perpetrator for a private apology. The world doesn't need to know now things about you and your employers and dates it didn't know then.

On the other hand, if you were physically assaulted, tell the police, not the media. If there's a case to be made for prosecution, wait until your case gets to court and tell your story in the courtroom. And if you are told by the police there is insufficient evidence for a criminal charge, consult a lawyer to see if you have grounds for a civil suit or to attempt a negotiated settlement for reasonable damages.

Public shaming is not an appropriate response for an enlightened society. Stripping someone of their job before they have been found guilty of an crime based on disputed factual allegations is simply unacceptable. This is not Alice in Wonderland ("No, no said the Queen. First the punishment, then the verdict").

There are thousands if not millions of Andrew Cuomo's out there -- men over 50 who are or were in positions of power in business or government who are as sexist as the day is long. Educate them, privately. Write them a letter and tell them how they made you feel. Ask them to acknowledge and validate your feelings according to today's norms, even if these norms did not exist when the event happened. If your goal is to end sexual harassment in the workplace, rather than to get 15 minutes of fame, reap a financial benefit or get personal revenge, this should suffice.

Is there anyone who believes Andrew Cuomo will continue acting and speaking to women in a way they find objectionable after what he's been put through the past few weeks? I doubt it. He is now on notice he'll be removed from his perch immediately if it happens again in the future. I suspect he won't even let himself be alone in the same room with a female after this imbroglio. Men learn. Educate them, don't shame them and take away their livelihood over a few inappropriate comments or a non-sexual touch you believed had a sexual overtone.

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    I agree he should not resign as Governor (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 12:43:06 AM EST
    but I do not agree that he has any credible basis for claiming to be surprised in discovering that a male boss (especially one who is 20 or more years older) cannot engage in sexual banter with -- much less indirectly proposition -- his female employees or underlings. Seriously? I'm 72, and I have clearly understood this for at least 35 years now.

    My husband (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Zorba on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 08:10:45 AM EST
    Is 73, and has understood this even longer.
    The thing I'm most upset about regarding Cuomo, though, has nothing to do with sexual harassment, and is much more recent.  It was his requiring nursing homes to accept patients with COVID-19, and then hiding the number of COVID deaths in the nursing homes.  Inexcusable.

    I am (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 05:13:38 PM EST
    not sure about this but my understanding was that Medicare was requiring the patients to be moved to nursing homes. I do know that Medicare normally has this requirement for a lot of things. My mother in law had a stroke and she couldn't go directly home so the hospital had to put her in a nursing home, not where she wanted to be but where Medicare said she had to be if she couldn't go home.

    It was the hospitals (none / 0) (#69)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Mar 11, 2021 at 08:27:43 PM EST
    That wanted the Medicare and Medicaid patients OUT. Low reimbursement rates will do that.  Donations to the gov from the hospital association greased the skids.

    Further, Medicare had no power to make Cuomo sign his directive requiring the nursing homes to take Covid positive patients. The contrast with Florida in this regard is shocking.


    DeSantis (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 12, 2021 at 05:49:32 AM EST
    isn't nicknamed DeathSantis for nothing.

    Propaganda to hide the facts. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 12, 2021 at 04:53:41 PM EST
    Florida has an older and larger population than New York but the Covid death rate is just over half of that of New York.   To be expected when the state policy is to keep the Covid positive out of nursing homes.



    Dude (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 13, 2021 at 12:03:37 PM EST
    DeathSantis is withholding vaccines except for the wealthy and connected. It is the same treatment he has given Florida residents all during the pandemic along with lying about number of deaths. Move outside the conservative propaganda machine and state media.

    That's another way of saying oldest first. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 14, 2021 at 07:16:31 PM EST
    Another "fact" is that (none / 0) (#75)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 14, 2021 at 11:28:23 PM EST
    there's evidence of a lot of finagling and fudging of the numbers in Florida..

    Back in May, the chairman of the Florida Medical Examiners Commission said that they were being pressured by state officials to withhold coronavirus death figures from the public.

    It's also worth mentioning that Florida still has a higher number of confirmed cases per capita than NY and still leads the nation in cases of the more contagious UK variant.


    The cause of some Floridians deaths (none / 0) (#76)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 15, 2021 at 01:33:03 AM EST
    may've gone unreported, but they gave their lives for a noble cause: tourism. And also to help DeSantis make Rick Scott look like an upstanding citizen.

    Granted (none / 0) (#77)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 15, 2021 at 09:12:03 AM EST
    the per capita deaths in Florida was 3/5 that of NY but you are comparing apples to oranges.

    Set aside the fact that DeSantis almost certainly fudged the numbers, we were more lucky than good, at least on the statewide level.

    For multiple reasons, including the total shut down of the tourist industry and aggressive actions by local officials helped mitigate the early spread. Our first surge came three months after NY got blindsided. During that time DeSantis did more harm than good by declaring victory while the worst was yet to come.

    Luckily the health care system was better prepared to handle the onslaught when it occurred and the populace was more primed to take precautions on their own.

    In any case over the past 9 months or so, FL has had a significantly higher death count than NY.



    Let's be honest. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 15, 2021 at 10:05:16 AM EST
    conservatives really don't care about deaths since 1. They were telling the elderly that they needed to die for the economy and 2. None of them are spending this amount of time attacking new jersey which has similar numbers. This is about Cuomo not being deferential to Trump and knowing that Cuomo will never pardon Trump for all his state crimes. It always is all about Trump avoiding criminal accountability

    Yes, Governor Cuomo (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 15, 2021 at 12:01:39 PM EST
    is not alone in seemingly sketchy pandemic administration. Florida officials fired Rebecca Jones, a data scientist, who claimed the state officials manipulated official numbers. and, then raided her home when she talked about it.

    The allegations against Cuomo are being investigated and political judgments should await the findings. It may be too cynical, but I can't help wondering about the issue of pardon of Trump for state crimes.


    My mistake (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 03:29:42 PM EST
    I will not be 72 until July. I just feel like I'm 72 today.

    That's one of the "signs" (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 10:44:42 PM EST
    you know, when you can't remember how old you are.  Me, I'm always losing my glasses.

    Calling dogs (or children) (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 08:01:55 AM EST
    by their siblings name.

    speaking of signs, (none / 0) (#14)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 08:38:06 AM EST
    I just went in for my annual eye checkup and we decided I finally needed my first pair of glasses.  I decided to try the progressive type.  My eyes are still good at 82 yo, but after reading for a few hours on my iPad I have trouble seeing the ball scores on tv.  Fortunately I can still read the fine print on prescription bottles that I seem to need more of lately.

    The heck?? (none / 0) (#15)
    by leap on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 11:46:09 AM EST
    Are you saying you didn't need to get reading glasses when you turned 42? Wow!

    Seriously (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 11:56:39 AM EST
    On my 40th bday I found I mcould not read my bday cards. The day before, I could read just fine.

    True truth leap (none / 0) (#17)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 02:44:30 PM EST
    It must have been that 40 years of (none / 0) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 02:46:40 PM EST
    Aspen lifestyle...ha

    Some guys (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 05:18:55 PM EST
    like you get it and other guys just do not. You can explain to this other group but it doesn't sink in. Personally I have tried with a few old men who don't understand why they can't behave like they did in 1950 towards women and you get into this circular logic where you end up with zero progress.

    I do not have strong feelings about this (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 08:51:26 AM EST
    either way.  I am a little annoyed that some screaming loudest for Al Frankenstein head are fine with this.

    I will say I was surprised that his statement started out with "I'm sorry if anyone was offended by what I did..."

    Repeat after me "I'm sorry for what I did."

    I also tired of the stories that (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 08:53:15 AM EST
    "....some years ago Cuomo insulted me and took my lunch money"

    great line, I may steal that one (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 02:23:26 PM EST
    Isn't the New York (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 11:31:07 AM EST
    tough-guy image what Cuomo is about anyway....

    Cuomo's behavior is over the line, but oh my, I have seen so much worse when I was employed by others.....No s*xual assault as J says, and no demands for s*x or dates....or to meet outside the workplace....True, it was crass and aggressive and something that needs to stop.

    But I agree with the person here who said the more concerning issue is the issue with the nursing homes.....  


    Well, Franken (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 05:16:29 PM EST
    was a notch about this. I understand your point. However those that did speak up about Franken got routinely attacked for doing so. So maybe the lesson they learned is just don't say anything.

    Frankly I'm not invested in whether Cuomo stays or goes but I do have to say if Franken had acted like Cuomo is now he might still be in the senate.


    I don't know about anyone else (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 12:29:46 PM EST
    but I'm getting a little tired about the same information being rehashed 24/7 on the cable news.

    His behavior was inappropriate and I think that it is right that it is being investigated. OTOH, I think that he should not be forced to resign prior to the completion of the investigation. I felt the same way about Franken.

    I agree with you about resignation, but (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 02:55:56 PM EST
    I disagree with my good friend Jeralyn (and with coast). As we all discussed during the Kavanaugh hearings, not every privilege is an entitlement subject to the standards of a criminal case. A person can properly lose his job, or be denied public office (either access to or continuance in), for unacceptable conduct that is not criminal, or that is established by persuasive evidence falling short of proof beyond a reasonable doubt (or both).

    I agree (none / 0) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 03:03:29 PM EST
    That the standards in the workplace are not the standard of criminal case.

    Let me clarify (none / 0) (#29)
    by coast on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 10:51:39 AM EST
    I agree with you Peter that an action certainly doesn't need to rise to the level of a criminal offense to lose one's job.

    However, I do think that we (the public) are way to quick to believe what is initially shown/reported to us when its not presented in full context (i.e. Covington kids).

    I dislike both Cuomo brothers, they're pompous a$$es.  But should brother Andrew lose his jobs straight away because of allegations of things he may or may not have said, I don't think so.  If its founds that he, through his words and/or actions, created a hostile work environment for the employees that he worked with then he should certainly resign his position.

    IMO his handling of the Covid nursing home deaths alone should be reason enough for people to call for his resignation.


    Peter, when they are elected (none / 0) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 08:54:37 PM EST
    they can't just be fired. He can be impeached , but it is contrary to the will of the people to throw someone out of office or force them to resign when they have not been convicted of a crime. What is "unacceptable" to some , others might just "shrug off" -- i.e. Clinton's behavior -- that's it needs to wait until the next election and give the voters the choice.

    Kavanaugh was an appointee, not an elected official. It was confirmation hearings his conduct was challenged.

    By the way, I gave him the benefit of reasonable doubt as well and would not have voted to convict him or keep him from sitting on the court (or any reason other than his views on various issues)


    Of course you are right that an elected official (none / 0) (#64)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 09, 2021 at 11:10:17 AM EST
    is not the same as a private employee (or even a civil service public employee). An elected official can only be removed involuntarily from office according to law, such as by impeachment -- a high standard that protects the democratic rights of the voters while establishing a safety valve for between-election crises of competence or suitability for continuation in office. But I do not agree that impeachment requires proof of an ordinary crime by the same standards or procedures as in a criminal trial. Nor do I think that public calls for resignation, that may cause the public official to (re)consider their own fitness for office and possibly then actually to resign, are at all inappropriate. That is not to say that I think Cuomo should be impeached or that he should resign. I was just responding in principle to the assumptions behind some of the analogies and assertions that others have made.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 10:33:40 AM EST
    IMO the allegations are credible, but I think we should wait until more facts are developed through the investigation ... as we should have done with Franken.  But if the allegations are corroborated, I'd support efforts to force him to resign and would oppose his reelection next year.

    The Lt. Governor, (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 10:57:42 AM EST
    Kathy Hochul, is a Democrat and would succeed Cuomo if it came to a resignation  Critical  to have a Democratic Governor for the foreseeable future.  Can't have a Republican Governor, who among other malfeasance, pardons Trump and family for state crimes.

    Holchul isn't as NY Blue as one would like ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Erehwon on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 11:59:15 PM EST
    From Forbes: "Hochul, who had experience in local politics in Erie County, ran for Congress as a moderate "independent" Democrat and earned an endorsement from the National Rifle Association--making her a valuable asset to Cuomo in the Republican-leaning counties in the state."

    Much as I detest(ed) Andrew Cuomo, even before these charges, I wish I shared your optimism about her view on pardoning Trump and Family. On the other hand, the junior senator from NYS surprised me in a nice way, except when it came to Franken!


    Completely disagree (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 10:28:16 AM EST
    "Public shaming is not an appropriate response for an enlightened society. Stripping someone of their job before they have been found guilty of an crime based on disputed factual allegations is simply unacceptable."

    Any such allegations should be thoroughly investigated and reported.  Assuming such allegations are credible as (IMO) the Cuomo charges appear to be, public shaming of elected officials is completely appropriate.  People are often fired (or forced to resign) from jobs for conduct that is less than criminal.  Criminal convictions rightly require a high burden of proof, but Cuomo is not facing criminal charges and is not in a courtroom facing jail time.

    Of course, often the prescribed remedy (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 08:21:26 PM EST
    is not as severe as forced resignation or termination.

    Cuomo's misdeeds (none / 0) (#5)
    by BlueStater on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 10:14:26 AM EST
    At last. A comment by a woman on this issue that takes account of people's rights (I'm an old white guy). I am strongly opposed to this kind of behavior, and years ago fired one guy for it. But too often (I'm thinking of Al Franken here) there is an instance of what can best be described as excruciatingly bad manners, and the evidentiary standard for convicting (or even charging) the misdemeanant in the public view is substantially below what a court would require, and the punishment very substantially above what any court would impose upon conviction. Sensible women should resist this, it seems to me.

    Please advise. May I keep my poster, (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 04, 2021 at 09:05:35 PM EST
    purportedly designed by the Gov.  a time capsiule.

    I dunno..... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 05:52:19 PM EST
    Gov Cuomo always set my boundary alarms off  

    You watching Allen v. Farrow?


    No can do. (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Mar 05, 2021 at 10:16:20 PM EST
    Maybe we can watch it in NYC (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 10:26:23 AM EST
    On HBOmax

    Ha. Due to your tech expertise (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 12:19:52 PM EST
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 04:14:10 PM EST
    I wouldn't count on my tech skills, but I did finally figure out how to get HBO on a mobile device finally. I used to have all that down when Josh had so many surgeries while growing. But those are over and we changed providers since, so I did not have any of that signed in and set up. I do now woohoo

    Hope you can access Meghan et al. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 07, 2021 at 08:19:46 PM EST
    Of course (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:57:58 AM EST
    It is on my DVR

    Watched it twice. I have never been crazy about the royal family, and I was not familiar with Meghan before the world found out she was going to marry Harry. I don't watch much network TV. Never watched Suits. But I like her. There is nothing to not like.

    I had to look up who exactly ran 'The Firm' though because it sounded like 'The Firm' and the royal family are two different things. It sounded to me like there were these mysterious folks who tell royals what they can and can't do, hold their passports and driver's license for them, etc. But Google says The Firm is the Royal Family and I'm left with it was the Queen, Charles, and William who set the rules that kept Meghan a virtual prisoner. And lots more that just makes you sad.

    I wasn't dreamy about Diana, but like Meghan there was nothing not to like either. She made the world a better place. Sure sounds like what happened to Diana was now happening to Meghan. The constant British tabloid assault along with protocols suddenly being changed when the UK was about to get a little prince that might be browner than they are used to took a horrible toll.

    And The Firm financially cut Harry off completely. Harry used his inheritance that his mother left him to establish his family in the US.


    Diana (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 05:56:43 AM EST
    called the people calling the shots the "gray men". I guess these are the people in the protocol office that were constantly telling her what to do. I watched an interview with her and her answer to a lot of things was "the gray men" but I never quite got who these "gray men" were.

    Ahhhh (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 09:20:21 AM EST
    Thank you

    Makes more sense

    I don't know much about Diana's plight or any of it really. Puzzled by Harry's heartfelt obvious deep empathy for his father and brother being trapped. Trapped by what exactly?


    If from birth I was placed in a position -- (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 10:22:10 AM EST
    based on a thousand-year history and tradition that held great meaning for millions of my fellow citizens -- of being expected to stand by (and "stand back"?) to assume at any time (based on when my mother or grandmother might die) a predetermined, highly prestigious job/position, and that meanwhile I would be waited on hand and foot and have a generous allowance for all my needs or wants ... I might feel "trapped," too.

    My first reaction (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 11:18:09 AM EST
    to Harry and Meghan was what is so bad about being a Royal?  No heavy lifting.  Just show up at charity events, and you probably get to pick your charity.  Smile and stand for photos and go to a few dinners. Give a few bland remarks written by others.

    Sounds like a nice gig.

    Diana had a truly bad marriage but she never bailed on her "duties" as Princess.  And she made a difference, especially with the AIDS babies, etc.

    But who knows, and I have not seen the Oprah interview.


    The racist tabloid headlines (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 01:52:43 PM EST
    Shown in fast appearing frames during the interview are nothing short of horrific. The Brits have always had a way with words but my God. Trying to make it through that pregnant I would have been suicidal too. It was too awful, I'm serious. Only a robot wouldn't have melted down.

    True, but not sure why Harry (none / 0) (#47)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 02:54:15 PM EST
    did not fight back.  He couldn't be fired or realistically disinherited.

    He could demand that people be fired, and confront the others.  He had a really solid power base and could have used that.  Here, the Queen and Prince Phillip were not the ones who were apparently pushing the racist tripe.  

    Kick 'em the nuts and turn the tables.    


    But it may very well have been Harry's (none / 0) (#49)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:15:27 PM EST
    rather loathsome father, Charles. And/or people associated with him. If so, then what?

    The general approach (none / 0) (#51)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:43:23 PM EST
    would be to secure allies, and then dispatch, punish, or (worst case) sideline enemies.

    Harry and Meghan had the moral high ground.  Easy to say, but he could have gone straight to the Queen, secure her help and then go down the list.  Charles is next: confront him, embarrass him, etc.  I mean who is going to stand up for racism?

    He could always threaten, perhaps tacitly if needed, to go public and say this his how they treated my mother, etc.  He said that to Oprah, so he could have used that as a threat.   Have it out.

    I mean what are they going to do, fire him?  At least try it.



    He has been disinherited (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:15:53 PM EST
    They completely cut him off financially and pulled his security too even though Harry has the highest risk profile right now. He is receiving the most death threats due to his bride selection. His family cut him off and pulled his security days before the world locked down over Covid. The world knew where Harry was and now he had no security. So Tyler Perry opened up his home and his security structure to Harry and Meghan and they flew out of Canada to that safety.

    Diana left Harry an inheritance that he used to purchase and secure a home here. Harry as of right now has been disinherited without using the word disinherited.

    Harry says he thinks his mom saw this all coming and left him a way to escape if he needed to.


    Yep, that was their fail safe (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:45:42 PM EST
    I still wonder if he could have secured a better result by fighting it out.  

    If he had fought and lost, they still would have had the Diana inheritance.


    Something like this: (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:48:29 PM EST
    Show my wife and son respect or I will show the world how racist you are.....

    That is what he did last night (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 04:03:48 PM EST
    Says he loves his dad and brother. Is open to repairs. Charles isn't answering his calls right now.

    Dave Chappelle on SNL not long ago talking about how WP are going to have to figure out how to forgive each other made me cry. I have cut off life with half of my family after this terrible Trump era. Don't want to forgive them or 12 yrs in Alabama and the mostly terrible folks I lived with there either.


    Do you think (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 04:49:51 PM EST
    they even want forgiveness? Honestly most of them think they did nothing wrong and that is kind of the crux of the problem. If you want to forgive them for your own sanity that is one thing but it won't move the needle with a lot of these people.

    I wish I had the answers.


    Nope (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 05:51:39 PM EST
    But Dave Chappelle didn't cover that part. He seems to have gamed all this out in his head though. Wish he'd give a Ted Talk.

    Why did she watch/read that crap? (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 09:10:48 PM EST
    She was protecting herself (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 09:19:34 PM EST
    Tried to avoid knowing about it. And The Firm at the start of her relationship with Harry assured her that they would protect her. But they didn't, and they didn't want her addressing any of it herself either. Sounded like one thing that couldn't be ignored was the rising threat assessment for Harry and Meghan and the death threats as the tabloids fed the hate unchecked.

    The entire concept is sickening (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 02:42:46 PM EST
    Not really blaming Harry and what's her name fir that.

    IMO news coverage of "royal" makes even less sense than coverage of Trump or the Pope.

    At least Trump and the Pope are marginally legitimate public figures.


    Bird in a gilded cage (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 01:03:23 PM EST
    At least the Kardashians (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 03:00:52 PM EST
    are less pretentious.

    MT this is (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 08:49:41 PM EST
    not an open thread.  I have been unable to get back into TL until tonight because Century Link is not recognizing its DNS and Colin and I spent hours trying to figure out what is wrong and I really did want to write about Meghan and Harry so I'll leave the comments up, but please otherwise try to stick to Cuomo (or harry and meghan)!



    Couldn't agree more (none / 0) (#21)
    by coast on Sat Mar 06, 2021 at 08:04:46 AM EST
    "Public shaming is not an appropriate response for an enlightened society. Stripping someone of their job before they have been found guilty of an crime based on disputed factual allegations is simply unacceptable."

    Unfortunately with the proliferation of handheld cameras, sites allowing users to post anything they want, and news organizations who have to react immediately without any true journalistic investigation, public shamming has become the norm and will only become more prevalent.  

    if these were criminal accusations, (none / 0) (#35)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 02:56:34 AM EST
    then yes, obviously, innocent until proven guilty/due process of law/beyond a reasonable doubt/etc. it's not, so none of this actually applies, and you should know better then to even make these kinds of comments.

    that said, his crappy handling of the pandemic situation in NY State, with respect to, among other things, nursing homes and data reporting, is more then enough reason for him to be gone.

    COVID repsonse (none / 0) (#38)
    by Steve13209 on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 08:27:27 AM EST
    Cuomo's call on using nursing homes turned out to be a bad one. The cover-up inexcusable.

    But his handling of the COVID response was otherwise not "crappy". Quite good as someone living through it, IMO.


    Always thought he was a windbag (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 02:52:44 PM EST
    but he was the one sane voice the country heard during the pandemic.  It was important then.   Without hm it would have been even worse.

    Very little opinion on the rest.


    I would approve of the nickname (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 04:19:15 PM EST
    are you living with (none / 0) (#60)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 08:56:44 PM EST
    having covid? If so I hope you get better soon -- and fully.

    Must ask self, though. If M and H don't want (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 08, 2021 at 09:14:55 PM EST
    adverse publicity, why do this interview?

    They already had adverse publicity (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 09, 2021 at 12:38:05 PM EST
    Armando says....

    If the press is attacking you must address them. Did you see Piers walk off the set? I firmly believe they have done the right thing.


    Talk about the epitome (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 09, 2021 at 03:54:49 PM EST
    of the petulant brat who can't take his own medicine..

    Piers took his toys and went home.


    I never paid Piers much attention (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 09, 2021 at 04:54:37 PM EST
    But that was great

    Did you see that they stripped (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 09, 2021 at 04:58:05 PM EST
    Harry of his military honors last month too? Can you imagine a United States soldier losing such things because of a family fight? Monarchies are just bull$h*t

    Might be time (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 12, 2021 at 04:54:04 PM EST
    Or maybe not (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 16, 2021 at 08:59:51 AM EST
    SIENA poll on NY reg voters

    Should he resign?

    Yes 35
    No 50
    Undecided 15

    Satisfied with his handling of the issue?

    Satisfied 57
    Not 32
    Undecided 11


    It may be (none / 0) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 16, 2021 at 12:21:42 PM EST
    that many in the state appreciate his accomplishments, such as passing gun-control legislation, persuading the legislature to legalize same-sex marriage and raise the minimum wage.  And, his efforts to see the effects of Hurricane Sandy.  It was not long ago that Cuomo was lionized for his leadership in the COVID crisis.

    In other news, former Missouri  Republican Governor Eric Greitens, who was forced to resign after just two years in office as a result of a sex scandal and inappropriate use of a private Foundation for political purposes, is planning to run for Roy Blunt's senate seat.

    Greitens was involved in a tawdry sex affair with a women who was not his wife.  He took photos of the women unclothed to use as blackmail if she spilled the beans. But, the.beans became scattered n the course of things.  The senate seat is likely a slam dunk for him--a good Republican.